Burwell v. Hobby Lobby - Comment #1,627,554

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Iso
Iso

in reply to cb5

Hobby Lobby had nothing against paying for Insurance.
They had a problem with Obama sticking his stupid nose in their business and forcing them to provide contraceptives against their will and infringing on their religious freedom.
That’s bullshit.

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cb5
cb5

in reply to Iso

What about people that aren’t Christian though and work for Hobby Lobby though? Whose religious freedoms are more important the company’s or the individuals? Isn’t this in of itself infringing on people’s religious freedoms by forcing them to follow other’s religious practices?

I’m not attacking Christians in the slightest, rather isn’t forcing your workers to follow your religious practices in of itself a infringement of their religious freedom? Whose religious freedoms supersede the others? Are company’s owners’ religious freedoms more important than the individual worker’s religious freedoms?

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statue345
statue345

in reply to cb5

The people at Hobby Lobby aren’t forcing their religious beliefs on anyone. Non-Christian employees are more then welcome to use contraception as long as they are willing to pay for it themselves.

Even if this wasn’t a religious issue, I still would still think that companies shouldn’t be required to pay for contraception. If people really want free contraception that bad, they should find a job that offers it.

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Jellote
Jellote

in reply to statue345

Effective regular contraception: $40 monthly
Emergency contraception: $45 per use

That is simply out of the budgets of many low-income families, and thus creates the scenario where the poor cannot have sex without a pregnancy resulting from it. It is not a matter of wanting to pay for it, but being able to pay for it.

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statue345
statue345

in reply to Jellote

If they can’t afford to buy it and they can’t find a job that covers it, then they just need to not have sex or get ready to take care of a baby. I know it sounds mean, but they should be required to pay for things like that.

And as far as the blood transfusions go, that’s different because if a blood transfusions are needed then it’s a matter of life and death. Having contraception is not a matter of life and death in any scenario i can think of.

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Particle  Mare
Particle Mare

in reply to Iso

If only reality were that simple.

First you’ve got the inevitable breakdown of relationships and marriages due to both couples being denied sex. Either that, or the pressure from being pregnant when your bank account is in the red. Expect low work productivity and domestic violence as a result in the first scenario, and petty crime as a result in the second scenario.

Women who get pregnant will then have to choose between an abortion and carrying through to birth. An abortion would cause emotional trauma to the woman, and much chagrin from the religious right (e.g. Hobby Lobby). Carrying through to birth would result in – wait for it – the woman taking your money through welfare and food stamps.

All it takes is that one bit of birth control at the beginning. Then nobody has to suffer. That includes you, the taxpayer.

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Particle  Mare
Particle Mare

in reply to Iso

Yes. All thing considered (birth rate, abortions, poverty, single mothers etc.), that’s the equation with the best possible outcome. You pay them a wage, you help contribute to their healthcare and so on. Call it a bleeding heart’s wet dream, but we live in a society where having an employee means more than just dumping them a lump sum at the end of the week.

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Particle  Mare
Particle Mare

in reply to Particle Mare

Also, I should point out that “self control” is not something that can be drawn from thin air for many people. If you take a thousand partners and put them through the trial, human nature dictates that a good number of them will fail. These to-be parents (and their unborn children) will end up costing you (as a business owner) and society more than if you had contributed to birth control.

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