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Sam
Sam

At first I thought this was a silly article about actual things girls would like to do if they were s guy for a day, but nope! It’s just a way for women frustrated with their previous dating partners to make broad generalizations on men based on stereotypes and now it’s been taken over by hashtag activists.

Frankly, I prefer the circumcision ones, because circumcision is a real problem that needs addressing, even if it’s through stupid hashtags. Also, it’s a hell of a lot better than those other bitter women trying to shame men. Some of them I can understand, like anyone who expects sex just for buying a girl a drink and then there’s petty ones like “leaving the toilet seat up”. Really? That’s pretty pathetic if you ask me.

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to Sam

When we talk about circumcision, do we mean the male or female circumcision? If we mean the female circumcision, I totally understand that-- the only point of that is to bind wives to their husbands by making them unable to feel much pleasure in sex while also literally mutilating their genitals-- you know, since nothing as far as female genitals go is meant to be “circumcised”.

If we’re talking male circumcision, that’s all but an actual medical procedure that’s actually been observed to have some benefits in the observed reduction of HIV/HPV/syphilis/chancroid/herpes risks. (Granted, it’s primarily a religious/cultural rite, I’ll admit.) As far as I’m concerned, it’s sensationalist wording when people call circumcision “mutilation”-- oh sure, it technically counts as that, but you’re putting it on the same ground as scarification, burning, flagellation, or wheeling, when in fact those are done with INFINITELY LESS HUMANITY. As far as I’m concerned, it’s just Tumblr SJWs finding something else to gripe about.

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Sam
Sam

in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

Male circumcision pretty much just makes your penis less dirty, which can be fixed by regular cleaning which most people already do. Male circumcision actually makes sex a bit more difficult and reduces pleasure as well. Not to mention the fact that it’s tampering with someone’s body without their consent for such a measly positive and several negatives. Just let someone do it when they’re and adult if they want to. What’s the problem with that?

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to Sam

>Male circumcision actually makes sex a bit more difficult

what are you talking about? What part of the vagina is made for the foreskin of the penis so that the lack of foreskin would cause difficulty in having sex?

>reduces pleasure as well

I’ll have nothing to compare it to if I’ve never had my foreskin all my life, so I’m not really missing anything.

>for such a measly positive

Like lowered chances (according to correlative studies) for STDs, syphilis, and HPV. Also less dick cheese.

That doesn’t sound quite measly to me. If anything, the whole “feeling less during sex” thing sounds measly since, again, I have no idea what that would feel like and I never would my entire life, so I can’t miss it.

>Just let someone do it when they’re and adult if they want to. What’s the problem with that?

It’s actually a bitch to do it when you’re an adult because you’re aware of the pain and you’re going to be feeling it for several days. I can’t remember whatever pain I may have had when I was circumcised after being born.

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Feenecks
Feenecks

in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

If you have to strap a baby down to do an irreversible procedure against their will while they scream and cry in pain, it’s cruel. By definition of mutilation it is. “inflicting a violent and disfiguring injury on” If you have seen circumcision being done it is extremely disgusting and violent. It get’s rid of parts of a persons body irreversibly so yes that is disfiguring.

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Feenecks
Feenecks

in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

“…what are you talking about? What part of the vagina is made for the foreskin of the penis so that the lack of foreskin would cause difficulty in having sex?”

Increases friction and makes the penis glans dried up even further increasing friction. Other problems exist as well

“I’ll have nothing to compare it to if I’ve never had my foreskin all my life, so I’m not really missing anything.”

Which is disgusting. Why should we be denied something we are born with?

“Like lowered chances (according to correlative studies) for STDs, syphilis, and HPV. Also less dick cheese.”

How About no I guess other than the smegma which is easily taken care of by just freaking cleaning.

“It’s actually a bitch to do it when you’re an adult because you’re aware of the pain and you’re going to be feeling it for several days. I can’t remember whatever pain I may have had when I was circumcised after being born.”

Anesthetics they use for adult circumcision procedures. Not babies or children though. And if so WE GET A BLOODY CHOICE ON OUR OWN BODIES.

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Sam
Sam

in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

We don’t care if circumcised penises are more efficient than non-circumsized. That’s not the argument we’re pushing that much. We’re trying to say it’s inherently immoral to permanently alter a part of someone’s body against their will. If you think that’s perfectly moral, I have nothing more to say to you. Get one when you’re an adult if you want. They can put you under and give you anesthetics if you don’t want to feel pain like any other surgery. Let the boy make his own damn choice!

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in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

What the hell man. Nobody fucking said that.
Look, my parents had me circumcised. Today, only a very small part of my penis is capable of being stimulated, and I’m extremely worried that I may not be able to have normal sexual intercourse. (I’ve done some research, and I’m not alone on this. Everywhere I’ve gone it’s agreed that this could pretty much only have been as a result of that procedure.) Am I kind of pissed off at them for that? Sure. But it’s not like they knew: parents and the public in general are misinformed on the subject consistently in this country, unlike in most of Europe where it’s rapidly becoming very rare. And they certainly aren’t “literally Hitler”, which is what the word monster implies.

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to Sam

>misinformed immoral action

…listen. MURDER is immoral. We have a strong initial aversion to murdering. You can never go and tell the judge that you didn’t know it was wrong. It’s IMMORAL. For something to be “immoral”, it has to cause longstanding harm for no benefit or beneficial reason under any context other than personal desire, and you have to KNOW that what you’re doing is for not only not the good, but the detriment of others. Beyond that, immoral is defined as “not conforming to accepted standards of morality.”

It is perfectly NORMAL for people to get circumcised, especially in America, especially in most of Africa. It’s a standard medical procedure. Protest against circumcision isn’t common nor widespread. At best, it’s just not practiced in a lot of European and Eastern countries.
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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to Sam

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What they did was not a “misinformed immoral action”, and quit painting it that way. It wasn’t meant to harm me for the rest of my life-- it was seen as beneficial in a religious, cultural, and medical context (the third of which they would know very well because they worked in that field). Right now, I don’t care that I don’t have a foreskin. I have been able to live my entire life without a foreskin just fine. I’m not dick-crippled. Stop talking about it as if it’s a genuinely horrible thing that makes you dick-crippled, and stop talking about people who elect to do this for their child as if they did something they KNEW would scar their child for life as opposed to something that would be beneficial at best, inconsequential at worst.

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Sam
Sam

in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

Don’t use the “tradition” or “everyone does it” arguments. Those are fallacies themselves. Also, just because people didn’t know something was bad doesn’t make them innocent. People used to think sexism, racism, slavery, lynching, etc. were “normal” things to do. Does that make it moral? Of course not! Also, on murder, psychopaths and other mentally troubled people actually don’t think murder is bad themselves. Does that excuse them of the crime? About your definition of morality, circumcision does long-standing harm. A part of your body is gone forever and you never chose to have it taken off yourself. Also, you may be satisfied with your circumcision, but you shouldn’t force it on babies. You don’t notice a difference when you’re circumcised, that’s because you never had a choice! You never had anything to compare it to! If you wanted to, you could have gotten a circumcision for yourself. Seriously, what’s the problem with getting a circumcision when you can choose to? Why do you just feel it’s necessary to have it when you can’t choose to?

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in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

It seems that you’ve been ignoring what the three of us have been trying to say. I won’t assume to know whether this is intentional or if you simply don’t understand our arguments, but it is frustrating nonetheless.
First of all, you seem to be using the fallacy of relative privation- in other words, murder is considered immoral, and murder is much worse than circumcision, therefore circumcision ought not be considered immoral. That is patently false, as there are varying degrees of immorality. You also keep sliding back and forth between considering morality to be completely objective and completely subjective. You simply cannot have it both ways. Another fallacy you employ is the argumentum ad populum, saying that if something is typical and done many times by many people than it is wrong to consider it immoral. I would create a list for you of the things that were once ubiquitous in various societies but are now typically seen as horrific in the modern world, but it would take an achingly long amount of time to read, and certainly to write.

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in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

This is even true for practices that are still common today; you claim to despise the practice of removing the clitoris, and I am with you there. I would, however, also like to point out that this has been going on for thousands of years within thousands of African communities, where it is seen as moral because woman are “not meant to feel such pleasure”, and as such the action benefits the individual’s spiritual life. Does this make it right? To them, yes. But even as someone who knows that morality is subjective, I can still fight for my own interpretation because I believe it comes from a place of greater logic and reason. (In addition, I would also like to point out that the simple removal of the clitoral hood is sometimes substituted in for the more severe action, and the effects of that are very similar to that of male circumcision. Are you okay with this as well?

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to 0.9999...=1

I wasn’t using the immorality of murder to justify circumcision. I was pointing out the characteristics of immorality and using murder as something that fits said bill. The only subjectiveness I’m fairly certain I’ve shown is in my second comment, and subjection didn’t really comprise the entirety of THAT comment. Finally, I didn’t use argumentum ad populum-- at the very least, that wasn’t what I was using solely. I said that my parents were experienced enough in medicine to know what they were consenting to. I said that there’s a general medical consensus that male circumcision has its benefits if done correctly. I ALSO say that it’s common surgical practice, but that has to do with the fact that the general medical consensus says that it has its benefits.

That goes to you AND Sam. Also, to Sam-- people with ASPD (psychopaths fall under here) DO have the capacity to know right from wrong, and KNOW what’s right and wrong, but they don’t have the strength of conscience that deters people who don’t have ASPD, so they’re capable of committing some fucked up shit without the internal qualms if they want to.

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to 0.9999...=1

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I’ve explained at length in one comment board for a picture why exactly female “circumcision” is dangerous as all hell and not at all beneficial, starting with the fact that they’re actually literally cutting off an organ. Even with cutting off the clitoral hood, the general idea is that FGM in any form is completely useless from a medical standpoint and is based mainly in gender inequality otherwise. Not only that, but it’s just dangerous and presents a bunch of complications, if only because of the conditions in which it’s typically performed. I used different criteria beyond “most people do it” (which, again, is because of a general medical consensus), and FGM fails the rest (if not just the aforementioned), so no, I wouldn’t be okay with it.

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to 0.9999...=1

But, to you two… honestly, I’m tired of talking about dicks in a non-comedic context. Feel free to get your last shots in, but there’s a fundamental gap in how we value the foreskin, possibly out of medical/religious/cultural convictions. That’s not going to be filled. But, can you at least not talk about my decision to have my son circumcised by professionals for medical benefit as if I’m trying to disfigure him for life and as if I’m a bad person for it?

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in reply to Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

Do you understand the idea that it really comes down to the fact that we see the permanent altering of an individual without its consent to be immoral regardless of exactly what that change is? (Unless of course it’s completely necessary, one obvious example being the cutting of then umbilical cord.) Do you get that I’m concerned that I may never be able to have normal sexual relations because there’s something wrong with my body, and that my being circumcised seems to be the only thing that could be to blame? You never responded to these specific points, and I question why.

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Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist
Astatine, Resident Hijab Fetishist

in reply to 0.9999...=1

Alright, fine. You wanna talk about dicks one last time? LET’S TALK ABOUT DICKS ONE LAST TIME.

I get what you’re saying. I disagree with what you’re saying. If a parent decides, fully understanding what exactly the hell they’re consenting to and WHY, to have their male child circumcised, I don’t see the issue if it’s for medical/religious/cultural purposes, AND it actually has its benefits and is inconsequential at worst nearly all of the time when it’s done correctly. At least, it’s when they consent without actually understanding WHAT they’re consenting to that’s stupid.

As far as your own personal issue, I feel for you, but I personally cannot relate since I have never really cared about what parts of my penis are able to be significantly stimulated and how that’s going to affect my sex life, not only because I’m a minor, nor because I don’t have a wife, but because it just isn’t the most important thing to me right now. Frankly, if I was in your situation, I’d imagine that I’d just adjust and find other ways of pleasuring my wife/working around the predicament.

I haven’t responded to your own personal case because I didn’t know what to say about it. What WAS I supposed to say about it?

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HorribleGhost
HorribleGhost

in reply to Sam

>Upset about people making broad generalizations about men

>Stereotypes everyone doing this as a bunch of bitter bitches who can’t get a man so they hate men

lmao and then you have the toilet seat thing this is getting weird

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Feenecks
Feenecks

in reply to Sam

“everyone does it” is a very poor argument. Examples!
A long time ago….
“Hmm I should try to get rid of the small amount of infected tissue rather than cut off the entire arm”
“But doctor we’ve always cut off the entire arm!”
or
“I should wash my hands before doing surgery”
“Why bother? We’ve always never wash our hands”

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