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Occupy Oakland riots

Last posted Oct 26, 2011 at 07:51PM EDT. Added Oct 26, 2011 at 01:35AM EDT
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My Twitter stream is exploding with this right now.

Tear gas deployed.

Oct 26, 2011 at 01:56AM EDT
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Sweatie Killer wrote:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/10/20111026135124919772.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/25/occupy-oakland-protest-police-protesters-clash_n_1031879.html

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1240713661001/cops-clamp-down-on-occupy-oakland-protesters

Okay, seriously that Aljazeera article is pushing some police brutality bias. Neither the use of “concussion grenades”, “flash-bang grenades”, or “rubber bullets” has been reported to have been used by the police by any other newspaper. Police did fire bean bags and have stated reported loud noises and flashes were from firecrackers being thrown and lit from the crowd. Instead of using multiple unnamed sources describing police beating them up in front nurses and doctors, dunking their heads in toilets, and throwing concussion grenades next to the heads of unconscious people they really should try to focus more on actually independently verifying what they report.

Oct 26, 2011 at 03:27PM EDT
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Well… first macing a few women in the fact during Occupy Wall Street, and now this.

Where is this going to end at?

Oct 26, 2011 at 04:01PM EDT
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ChipBeat wrote:

Okay, seriously that Aljazeera article is pushing some police brutality bias. Neither the use of “concussion grenades”, “flash-bang grenades”, or “rubber bullets” has been reported to have been used by the police by any other newspaper. Police did fire bean bags and have stated reported loud noises and flashes were from firecrackers being thrown and lit from the crowd. Instead of using multiple unnamed sources describing police beating them up in front nurses and doctors, dunking their heads in toilets, and throwing concussion grenades next to the heads of unconscious people they really should try to focus more on actually independently verifying what they report.

This is what an activist told them, they even said "The allegations could not be independently verified. ".

Also, I think Don has a picture of two Empty shotgun shells that could ave had rubber bullets in them, unless they stuck bean bags in those, which would be interesting.

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Oct 26, 2011 at 04:03PM EDT

ChipBeat wrote:

Okay, seriously that Aljazeera article is pushing some police brutality bias. Neither the use of “concussion grenades”, “flash-bang grenades”, or “rubber bullets” has been reported to have been used by the police by any other newspaper. Police did fire bean bags and have stated reported loud noises and flashes were from firecrackers being thrown and lit from the crowd. Instead of using multiple unnamed sources describing police beating them up in front nurses and doctors, dunking their heads in toilets, and throwing concussion grenades next to the heads of unconscious people they really should try to focus more on actually independently verifying what they report.

If the police didn’t use serious force, explain this

Oct 26, 2011 at 05:03PM EDT
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MDFification wrote:

If the police didn’t use serious force, explain this

Explain how you feel this is inappropriate for the police. Those firecrackers you see the protesters throwing are potentially strong enough for people to lose fingers or hands. The veteran(who I have heard was throwing things) got hit head in the head with a teargas/or smoke canister, and hit his head on the concrete as he fell down.
There are even people calling these firecrackers “flashbang grenades”, and a variety of other things which they clearly are not. A flash grenade creates a flash so powerful that the range of light sensitivity in the photocells of videocameras cannot even pick up the flash.
These are what flashbang grenades look like on videocamera:

It sucks but when you get two groups of people throwing heavy things at each other then people are going to get hurt.

Oct 26, 2011 at 06:01PM EDT
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ChipBeat wrote:

Explain how you feel this is inappropriate for the police. Those firecrackers you see the protesters throwing are potentially strong enough for people to lose fingers or hands. The veteran(who I have heard was throwing things) got hit head in the head with a teargas/or smoke canister, and hit his head on the concrete as he fell down.
There are even people calling these firecrackers “flashbang grenades”, and a variety of other things which they clearly are not. A flash grenade creates a flash so powerful that the range of light sensitivity in the photocells of videocameras cannot even pick up the flash.
These are what flashbang grenades look like on videocamera:

It sucks but when you get two groups of people throwing heavy things at each other then people are going to get hurt.

Where are your sources?

Oct 26, 2011 at 06:17PM EDT

Here’s how the Washington Post decided to depict the riots and police brutality story.

Oct 26, 2011 at 06:43PM EDT
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Sweatie Killer wrote:

Where are your sources?

Which parts do you want sources for?
The polices statement has appeared in multiple articles like this one from the
New York Times:

The police denied firing flash grenades or rubber bullets at protesters. “The loud noises that were heard originated from M-80 explosives thrown at Police by protesters,” the police said in a statement.

The Police used a limited amount of tear gas for a small area as a defense against protesters who were throwing various objects at Police Officers as they approached the area. The objects included glass bottles, rocks, pots, pans, kitchen utensils and plates at Police Officers. In addition, the protesters sprayed a Fire Extinguisher on Police Officers.

and where are the sources for your sources? The reporters at Russia Today and Aljezeera aren’t stating anything other then what they have been told by anonymous protesters and what they have seen on video. Breaking news stories often don’t get facts right as they are happening.

Additionally from the San Fransisco Chronicle

Officers in riot gear hemmed in protesters around 6 p.m. and attempted to arrest one person, as about 50 more surrounded them shouting, “Let him go, let him go.”

Protesters threw turquoise and red paint at the riot officers. Some led the crowd in chanting, “This is why we call you pigs.”

The crowd at its peak grew to more than 1,000 at about 8:30 p.m., and two officers were wounded from the paint and chemicals thrown at them.

Some protesters who avoided conflict and wanted to show their support for the Occupy Wall Street movement were displeased by the violent turns. “They didn’t have to force police into that situation,” said Helen Walker, 46, a nurse from Albany. “It was totally provoked, and if I could have, I would have stopped those idiots from throwing paint.”

anymore would be even more tl;dr then this post already is

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Oct 26, 2011 at 07:22PM EDT
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HOLY SHIT GUYS ANOTHER RIOT
THIS IS NEW AND EXCITING

leaves

Oct 26, 2011 at 07:41PM EDT

rapturjesus wrote:

HOLY SHIT GUYS ANOTHER RIOT
THIS IS NEW AND EXCITING

leaves

I agree this thread is a real riot.

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