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KYM World of Tanks General (redux)

Last posted Nov 23, 2012 at 06:35AM EST. Added Jan 25, 2012 at 05:49AM EST
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I was just in a battle in my Panzer II.

I want to like it. But the only guns it can mount are 20mm auto-cannons. I much prefer the 35T, because at least it can mount an actual cannon.

Though I do have to wonder why the T1 Cunningham can’t mount the M2 when the FT-17 can mount a 13.2mm MG…

Jul 08, 2012 at 02:46AM EDT

American Tanker, Hell on Tracks wrote:

Phoenix posted:

APDS

They’ve programmed in stats for sabot rounds? Are they ever going to implement them? And why did I never learn about this?

I could have sworn that the new American Heavies used APDS as gold rounds…guess not :(

And considering that APDS is listed with APCR I doubt they function differently :(

@XSingular:

Source Film maker has opened the Pandora’s box.

Jul 08, 2012 at 01:28PM EDT
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I know this sounds like a dumb question, but how can I take screenshots while in my garage? Is it even possible?

Jul 08, 2012 at 08:46PM EDT

burning_phoneix wrote:

I just use Steam’s built in screenshot taker for everything :(

And how exactly does that work?

Jul 09, 2012 at 11:30PM EDT

If you have a game and use the Steam Overlay on it (you can add non-steam games FYI) simply tap F12 (or was it F11? One of those buttons) and you will see a notifcation at the bottom telling you that the screenshot was taken.

When you exit the game, a pop up will appear showing you all the screens you’ve taken and the option to delete them or upload them to your steam account. The screens are saved onto your hard drive as well if you want to edit them.

Jul 09, 2012 at 11:42PM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

If you have a game and use the Steam Overlay on it (you can add non-steam games FYI) simply tap F12 (or was it F11? One of those buttons) and you will see a notifcation at the bottom telling you that the screenshot was taken.

When you exit the game, a pop up will appear showing you all the screens you’ve taken and the option to delete them or upload them to your steam account. The screens are saved onto your hard drive as well if you want to edit them.

I know about adding non-Steam titles, but I have no idea what this “Steam overlay” is.

Jul 09, 2012 at 11:45PM EDT

American Tanker, Hell on Tracks wrote:

I know about adding non-Steam titles, but I have no idea what this “Steam overlay” is.

Steam overlay is the layer that comes on when you hit shift-tab during gameplay that lets you chat and see your friends list…etc.. during gameplay.

Jul 10, 2012 at 12:13AM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

Steam overlay is the layer that comes on when you hit shift-tab during gameplay that lets you chat and see your friends list…etc.. during gameplay.

Oh.

But then from there, does it just take screenshots as soon as I hit F12? Or is there something else I have to do?

Jul 10, 2012 at 12:17AM EDT

No, just in game hit F12 (or F11, can’t quite remember). You don’t need to bring up the overlay or anything, as long as you launch the game from Steam, it’s always active in the background.

Just make sure the game in question doesn’t use that key (WoT doesn’t FYI)

Jul 10, 2012 at 12:21AM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

No, just in game hit F12 (or F11, can’t quite remember). You don’t need to bring up the overlay or anything, as long as you launch the game from Steam, it’s always active in the background.

Just make sure the game in question doesn’t use that key (WoT doesn’t FYI)

In battle, the Tab key pulls up the player list for that match.

But I don’t think it has any role in the garage.

As for F12, in battle, it takes screenshots. Either that or F11. But again, I don’t think it does anything in the garage.

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Jul 10, 2012 at 12:23AM EDT

From the Euro forums (and they got it from Wot-News)

- Added 3 new maps of the U.S.: “Port”, “Highway,” “Pacific Coast”.

- Added new medium tanks at level 10: E-50 Ausf.M, T-62A, M48A1.
- Added a light French tank level 5 ELC AMX.
- Added German TD Level 8 JagdPanther II.
- The French light and medium tanks AMX 12t, AMX 13 75, AMX 13 90, Lorraine 40t, Bat Chatillon 25t transferred to a level up.
- Added new TD Level 10: JagdPz E-100, Object 268, AMX 155 50 Foch, T110E3, T110E4.
- Added support for the British branch of the British tanks and premium medium tank Matilda Black Prince. Picture on tank and source
- Rebalanced settings premium tanks and DickerMax SuperPershing.
- Return and recalibrated the cost of repair of some tanks.
- Whole experience with elite TD Ferdinand transferred to JagdTiger.
- Rebalanced settings for TD 2 and 3 tiers.
- Rebalanced settings for French TD introduced in patch 0.7.4.
- In connection with the introduction of Mediums-10, and rebalanced some of the parameters of medium tanks level 9, level 10 heavy tanks.

- Rebalanced some medium tanks and TD USSR:
- T-28: Removed a tool of F-30, held a general readjustment of the tank.
- T-34-85: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.
- T-43: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.
- HF-13: held a general readjustment of the tank.
- SU-85: Removed 107mm gun ZIS-6C, added gun 85mm D-5S-85BM, held a general readjustment of the machine.

- Reworked the mechanism of concussion crew from HE,
- Fixed or refined visual models of some tanks.
- Multiple minor changes and improvements interface.
- Fixed game crashes when you exit the battle in the hangar.
- Fixed a density of some bushes, affecting stealth tanks behind them.
- Added Medal “Awarded to the player, which destroyed in one battle tank in the middle of 3 or more TD-self-propelled guns of the enemy and more than 7 level.”

The Ferdi isn’t being removed it’s just being shifted:

Here’s the new german list
http://worldoftanks.com/dcont/fb/media/media/art_techtree/tech/tech_trees_june_29/germany_tree_full%28com%29.jpg


So…Is anyone going to scream “Russian Bias” here?

Jul 11, 2012 at 03:20PM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

From the Euro forums (and they got it from Wot-News)

- Added 3 new maps of the U.S.: “Port”, “Highway,” “Pacific Coast”.

- Added new medium tanks at level 10: E-50 Ausf.M, T-62A, M48A1.
- Added a light French tank level 5 ELC AMX.
- Added German TD Level 8 JagdPanther II.
- The French light and medium tanks AMX 12t, AMX 13 75, AMX 13 90, Lorraine 40t, Bat Chatillon 25t transferred to a level up.
- Added new TD Level 10: JagdPz E-100, Object 268, AMX 155 50 Foch, T110E3, T110E4.
- Added support for the British branch of the British tanks and premium medium tank Matilda Black Prince. Picture on tank and source
- Rebalanced settings premium tanks and DickerMax SuperPershing.
- Return and recalibrated the cost of repair of some tanks.
- Whole experience with elite TD Ferdinand transferred to JagdTiger.
- Rebalanced settings for TD 2 and 3 tiers.
- Rebalanced settings for French TD introduced in patch 0.7.4.
- In connection with the introduction of Mediums-10, and rebalanced some of the parameters of medium tanks level 9, level 10 heavy tanks.

- Rebalanced some medium tanks and TD USSR:
- T-28: Removed a tool of F-30, held a general readjustment of the tank.
- T-34-85: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.
- T-43: Removed 100mm D10T gun, 85mm cannon improved D5T-85BM, added to the engine B-54K.
- HF-13: held a general readjustment of the tank.
- SU-85: Removed 107mm gun ZIS-6C, added gun 85mm D-5S-85BM, held a general readjustment of the machine.

- Reworked the mechanism of concussion crew from HE,
- Fixed or refined visual models of some tanks.
- Multiple minor changes and improvements interface.
- Fixed game crashes when you exit the battle in the hangar.
- Fixed a density of some bushes, affecting stealth tanks behind them.
- Added Medal “Awarded to the player, which destroyed in one battle tank in the middle of 3 or more TD-self-propelled guns of the enemy and more than 7 level.”

The Ferdi isn’t being removed it’s just being shifted:

Here’s the new german list
http://worldoftanks.com/dcont/fb/media/media/art_techtree/tech/tech_trees_june_29/germany_tree_full%28com%29.jpg


So…Is anyone going to scream “Russian Bias” here?

SO let me get this straight:

  • KV’s Derp should have been moved to tier 6 from the beginning.
  • KV-3: was too well armored for a tier 6 (Better armored than a Tiger) and should have been moved to Tier 7 from the beginning.
  • IS-4: is Overpowered and should have been moved to tier 10 from the beginning.
  • T-28: Removed a tool of F-30 a nerf that was long needed.
  • T-34-85: should not have a 100mm gun since German Mediums have wait to tier 9 to get that caliber and other nations’ corresponding medium tanks have a maximum of 88mm caliber.
  • T-43: should not have a 100mm gun since German Heavies have wait to tier 8 to get that caliber and other nations’ corresponding medium tanks have a maximum of 88mm caliber
  • SU-85: should not have a 100mm gun since German TDs wait to tier 7 to get that caliber and other nations’ corresponding Tanks Destroyers have a maximum of 75mm caliber
  • HF-13: I don’t know that tank, but based on the previous observations, I’m sure It’s OP and needs nerfing. why? Because Russian.

Note: When I mention Calibers I’m always talking about non-derp guns that can fire something other than HE/HEAT, you know, like the guns they are removing.

Most Used tanks Before 7.3:

  1. KV: 5 million battles.
  2. Type 59: 3.5 million battles.
  3. Lowe: 3.4 million battles.
  4. Pz IV: 1.8 million battles.
  5. T-28 0.9 million battles.

Numbers pulled form the devs, posted on the forums.
So T-28 gets played a lot because it leads to the infamous 152mm KV
and the KV get’s played even more than premiums.


Yes Burning_Phoneix there is a Russian Bias, or let’s say there was, the Devs are starting to amend their past mistake, but after 11 updates? unforgivable.
The Russian Bias reputation will take a LONG time to fade.
Also we’ll see if the Devs will ever Forgive the Germans. IE:

  • Tiger is useless,
  • Pen on the E-100 is abysmal with horrible armor.
  • Pen on the Maus is abysmal as well
  • The only tier 9 TD that doesn’t get a 150mm caliber gun is the JagdTiger.
  • JagdPzIV is useless
  • Pz38nA with 274H.P. compared to the high-flyer the (A-20).

So in short all the top tiers on the German Panzerwaffe are useless/mediocre.
But yeah, the 17cm on the JagdPz Typ E-100 is a step toward forgiveness.

Last edited Jul 11, 2012 at 09:57PM EDT
Jul 11, 2012 at 09:47PM EDT
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Aren’t the game’s devs Russian themselves?

I’m smelling some hardcore creator provincialism here.

But I never really felt that there was that much bias before. I thought the game was comparatively balanced. Well, barring the Autobalancer that picks teams, of course, but that isn’t within the scope of this conversation.

Jul 11, 2012 at 10:16PM EDT

The devs are actually Belarussian.

I’ll address some issues that X mentioned:

KV’s Derp should have been moved to tier 6 from the beginning.
KV-3: was too well armored for a tier 6 (Better armored than a Tiger) and should have been moved to Tier 7 from the beginning.
IS-4: is Overpowered and should have been moved to tier 10 from the beginning.

I agree with these three comments.

T-28: Removed a tool of F-30 a nerf that was long needed.

The T-28 has 30mm of armour and is the size of a fucking house. The gun was the only redeeming value in that tank.

T-34-85: should not have a 100mm gun since German Mediums have wait to tier 9 to get that caliber and other nations’ corresponding medium tanks have a maximum of 88mm caliber.
T-43: should not have a 100mm gun since German Heavies have wait to tier 8 to get that caliber and other nations’ corresponding medium tanks have a maximum of 88mm caliber
SU-85: should not have a 100mm gun since German TDs wait to tier 7 to get that caliber and other nations’ corresponding Tanks Destroyers have a maximum of 75mm caliber

Calibers mean jack shit. I only care about pen/damage/rof/accuracy. Now I know that higher caliber=more damage in most cases but that’s just a rule of thumb and is about as important a stat as your winrate in a Leictraktor.

To demonstrate, the 100mm D10T does 230HP of damage compared to 220damage for the 88mm L.56. An increase of only 10HP for a lower ROF. It does have higher pen but also worst accuracy and aim time.

The T-34-85 and T-43 were not terribly OP tanks. They have poor armour and so so speed and rely on their big gun.

Most Used tanks Before 7.3:

KV: 5 million battles. Type 59: 3.5 million battles. Lowe: 3.4 million battles. Pz IV: 1.8 million battles. T-28 0.9 million battles.

Numbers pulled form the devs, posted on the forums.
So T-28 gets played a lot because it leads to the infamous 152mm KV
and the KV get’s played even more than premiums.

Is that across all servers? I suppose it is since the Russian server has 4.8 million games for the KV-1.

This is incredibly skewed due to the sheer size of the Russian server. The top tanks currently for the American server is:

1.KV
2.PZIV
3.VK3601
4.Lowe
5.Tiger I

Of course, I don’t know what it was like pre-7.3 but given that it’s only been a few months since then I don’t think the list would shift too dramatically (the next Russian tank is the T-28 at 8th place, makes sense since it leads into the KV)

Tiger is useless, Pen on the E-100 is abysmal with horrible armor. Pen on the Maus is abysmal as well The only tier 9 TD that doesn’t get a 150mm caliber gun is the JagdTiger. JagdPzIV is useless Pz38nA with 274H.P. compared to the high-flyer the (A-20).

#1: We’ve been over this many times and I don’t want to open that can of worms again. For the interest of Thomas and Russian Fedora, my stance is this: Does the Tiger need a little buff? I agree with that but useless? Nah.

#2: Affect of power creep and the nerf to HE. The E-100 was a powerful Tier X when it was introduced.

#3: Perhaps, but that thing has an armour and HP by the buttload. It fills the role of “Tank” (ie, the RPG role…not the actual role..) and draws enemy fire. It actually has a very good winrate (though I don’t like using winrate alone to validate tanks)

#4: Which might be a problem if the 12.8cm on the JT wasn’t one of the best guns in the game.

#5:Well….yeah that thing is pretty much ass.

#6: You do know that the A-20 is one of the worst tanks in the game? It has 10km/h faster speed than the Pz38nA but let’s list the ways the nA is better:

-The nA is a smaller target than the A-20
-The nA has a MUCH better turning radius (The A-20 has a traverse of 40 deg/s and the UPGRADED TRACKS MAKE IT WORSE FOR THE ADDITION OF ONLY 900KG OF WEIGHT!)
-The nA has better armament (Same pen, MUCH better DPM, better aim time, better accuracy).
-The nA has a better view range
-The nA has a better turret traverse.

Really X, the A-20 is the worst possible tank to pick to showcase “Russian Bias” since until the rollout of the B1, it was pretty much the worst tank in the game.
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You have me that list, so I’ll give you one as well:

-The PzIV is the best Tier 5 medium.
-The VK3601 is the best tier 6 medium
- The German TD line (sans JgpIV) is quite strong throughout
-The Marder II is a rabbit killer’s wet dream.
-Even with the 107mm Zis on the SU-85, the StuG III was neck and neck with it as “best Tier V TD” and with the nerfing of the SU-85, it’s pretty much taken the title.
-Jagdpanther is the best Tier 7 TD (with the SU-152 being quite underpowered)

Let’s go over some Russian weaknesses shall we?

-The T-34 (THE LEGENDARY TANK OF WWII!) Is by far the worst Tier 5 medium. Owned by both the Sherman and the PzIV.
-The A-20 is one of the worst tanks in the game
-The SU-152 and the SU-100 are underpowered.
-The IS-1/2 (The Tiger’s counterpart) has slightly better armour to the Tiger with less HP and a less useful gun, making it actually not any better than the tanks of its tier (Who all bow to the T29 anyway)
-The KV-5 is a useless crock of shit, worst.premium.ever.
-The vast majority of tanks in the 7.3 update were incredibly underpowered. KV-4 especially.
-The 7.3 Update. Full stop. The only way WG can top that is to personally suck your dick while you carve a swastika into their forehead while listening to this:

Jul 11, 2012 at 11:31PM EDT
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I was just thinking about this.

Couldn’t they just slot the T23 US Medium back into the tech tree at tier 8 and bump the M26 and M46 up to 9 and 10 respectively, instead of trying to build an entire new tank from the ground up?

Granted, they’d have to rebalance both the M26 and M46, but that would be easier than adding an entirely new tank, right?

Jul 11, 2012 at 11:45PM EDT

Adding one new tank at the top is easier than adding a tank in the middle and reblancing two tanks as they shift upwards.

BTW, more news:

New info from the Russian ASAP video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9RdeI_SGsA&feature=g-all-u
(fAST FORWARD TO 2:40)

TIER 10 GUN STATS!

M48 patton – Stock gun is a t8 gun with 173 pen and 240 dmg. TOP GUN – is 268(350 with Gold) Pen with 390 DMG firing @ 7.5 rounds a min
E-50 Ausf M – has 270(350 with Gold) pen with 390 dmg @ 6.25 rounds a min
T-62A – 264(380 with gold) pen with 320 dmg firing @ 9.09 rounds a min – Also the Only T9 gun mounted on a T10 medium so far

We don’t have Accuracy or Aim Time stats yet but my money is on the E-50 to have the best accuracy.


ALSO FROM WOT NEWS, TIER 9 MEDIUMS ARE BEING NERFED!

M46 Patton:
• decreased HP
• decreased armor of tracks
• corrected speed of stock suspension (M46T80E1) on soft ground
• corrected accuracy when at full speed
• increased speed of top (M46M67) turret
• decreased visibility of top turret (M46M67) to 410m
• decreased ROF and other hard stats (aim time, accuracy when moving, turret rotation, affect of turret rotation on accuracy and etc. of top gun (105 mm Gun T5E1M2) on both turrets

T-54:
• increased HP with base turret (Т-54 – 1946)
• increased rotation of stock suspension (Т-54)
• increased accuracy on the move with stock suspension (Т-54)
• corrected rotation speed of both turrets
• corrected ROF of gun D-10T
• decreased ROF of gun LB-1 in stock turret (Т-54 – 1946)
• increased hard stats (aim time, turret rotation, etc.) of non-top guns in the top turret

E-50:
• decreased HP of top configuration
• decreased rotation of top suspension
• decreased accuracy when on the move
• increased aim time of top gun and decreased ROF

Now before you scream RUSSIAN BIAS! The T-54 buffs are only to the stock parts. Not the final stuff.

Jul 12, 2012 at 12:25AM EDT
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Excuse my double posting but some more info:

-The IS-4, Maus and E-100 will receive buffs in 7.5

AND THE BIGGEST CHANGE I’VE EVER SEEN! AN ANSWER TO ALL MY PRAYERS!

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/139840-omg-patch-75-will-bring-most-mm-tier-spread-to-1/page__st__40__p__2223125#entry2223125

translation: In 7.5 we’ll rebalance the battle spread for most of the tanks. Will become +/- 1 level on average.

WHAT THIS MEANS: The maximum tier spread will be about 2 on average. Which is why the Russian mediums lost a lot of their guns. They don’t need em anymore, Tier 6s will rarely ever face tier 9s like they do so often now.

They finally get around to fixing MM tier spread.

EDIT: HF-13 is the KV-13. Just found that out.

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Jul 12, 2012 at 12:48AM EDT
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Note: Here’s a link to the wiki, you’ll need it.

I’m glad we agree on the Tier bumps at least.

The T-28 has 30mm of armour and is the size of a fucking house. The gun was the only redeeming value in that tank.


So how are you liking the MUCH smaller M3 Lee with a Turret and a BIGGER gun.
Oh wait, IT HAS NONE OF THOSE THINGS, the gun is the only good thing on the Lee and it Payed the price by LOSING the Turret.
Also the fact that it leads to the master of OPs the KV doesn’t really add to it’s image.

They have poor armour and so so speed and rely on their big gun.


>T43
>Bad armor
>Same frontal armor as Panther with better Side armor and better Ammo rack placement and the TRANSMISSION IS NOT ON THE FRONT OF THE TANK so NO bonfires from front/back shots and 1-Hit-Kills from side.

you serious?

Does the Tiger need a little buff? I agree with that but useless? Nah.


Agree on the first one, STRONGLY disagree on the second.

  • Same/worse armor than a Tier 6 MEDIUM tank (not heavy, medium), It’s a paper tank.
  • Lower DPS then a Tier 6 MEDIUM, It struggles to output any damage.
  • Worse mobility than the Tier 6 medium before it, For an engine THAT strong and costly to unlock, it should be doing 35km/H easily, not stuck at 29km/h.
  • Horrible Grind Trip: There’s a reason that unlike all other tanks (which are simply called "stock) the Stock Tiger has a Nickname: “THE BABY TIGER” ;
    1. The Last gun you unlock (which sucks) is the STOCK gun for the next tier, yes it’s just THAT BAD.
    2. Inability to mount the shitty gun without unlocking the shitty Turret first, now you might ask why am I bringing this up? BAM:
    3. TIGER P baby! TWICE the frontal armor (200mm vs 100mm), same speed and IT CAN MOUNT THE SAME SHITTY GUN ON THE DEFAULT TURRET.

Let me state my point for the sake of clarity as well.
Remember how I made fun of the Panther Above? IMO It’s still better than the Tiger in ALL aspects: Faster, same armor (and module placement) but slanted so better chance to bounce and better resistance against HEAT rounds, Same Penetration, Same DPM but with Higher RoF so you can track enemy tanks freely, better accuracy, better MatchMaking.

Also INB4 RussianFedora and Thomas Nair rush to your defense thinking that:
A). I’m a noob who never played the tanks: I have more matches in BOTH tanks (about 100 battles) and I still have them both in my garage and I pit them against each other regularly (I’m that obsessed, yes).
B). I don’t know history: I know the Sonderkraftfahrzeug 181 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger was a feared tank by the Brits, but think about this: the Tiger cost almost 800,000 Reichsmarks, while the Sdfkz 171 Panzerkampfwagen V Panther was a cheap 130,000 Reichsmarks, just a measly 20,000 Reichsmarks over the PzIV, now THAT’S industry.

Affect of power creep and the nerf to HE. The E-100 was a powerful Tier X when it was introduced.


It lasted ONE UPDATE before the 15cm pen was nerfed back to just 200mm, of course after a lot of objection from the players it was boosted back up, but now HE is useless so meh, Keyword here is “when it was introduced” as in no longer now.

that thing has an armour and HP by the buttload. It fills the role of “Tank” (ie, the RPG role…not the actual role..) and draws enemy fire.


Let’s simulate:
>A Wild T110 appeared.
>Run.
>Can’t: Too slow.
>Attempt to flank that thick hunk of metal.
>Can’t:See Above.
>Fine then: Fight.
>Attack: 0 Damage
>Get Hit: 400 Damage
>Friendly arty Fired!
>Missed: T110 is too fast.
>Enemy Arty Fired!
>Direct hit: You are too slow.
End of turn 1.
Him:Full HP
You:Full HP-400
Repeat untill the Maus is a smoking wreck and the T110 has a slightly smeared paint-job (OH NOES)
next point.

Which might be a problem if the 12.8cm on the JT wasn’t one of the best guns in the game

[Citation Needed]

T95 gets both better armor and better gun, 15cm > 12.8cm.
Before you tell me it can’t turn for shit and moves too slow, it has 150mm side slanted armor, that thing is more armored than the front of a King Tiger, also if you are moving in a TD for a purpose other than relocating to another sniping location tahn you are playing TDs WRONG.

Well….yeah that thing is pretty much ass.


Let me tell you why you are wrong. You see first of all it ha…..
Wait a second we agreed on something? Weird.
Anyway, on to the next one I guess…..

You do know that the A-20 is one of the worst tanks in the game?

It has 10km/h faster speed than the Pz38nA


AHAHAHAHHAHAA, are you implying that the Pz38nA can EVER reach it’s top speed with it’s 270 Horsepower engine? even the PzIII a tier 4 MEDIUM is better in both tops speed and acceleration, the A-20 get s 500 Horse Power engine.


A bunch of statistics that don’t deal with Moving in a straight (suicidal) line to scout for enemy tanks.


Did I say that the A-20 gets twice the Horsepower as the Pz38nA? I did? Wow!
also:
>tier 4 light
>actually looking at its combat abilities
>MatchMaker is still suck
>2012
>ISHYGDDT


the A-20 is the worst possible tank to pick to showcase “Russian Bias


Notice how I didn’t compare the T-50 to the Leopard (although we all know that the T-50 is superior), the M5 is decent, and the AMX40 forgoes the whole scouting thing by turning into a (completely useless in higher tiers) battle tank (that is unbeatable by same/lower tiers).
That leaves the two underdogs of the Light tanks, Both are considered worse than their other friend from the same nation. and YET the A-20 manages to be twice as good as the Pz38nA.
Look at Thomas’ Posts up in this page, he suffered from the Pz38nA as any player should.

A list that confirms my earlier statement that all TOP TIER (not mid tier) German tanks are basically Useless/mediocre

INB4 you can’t have good everything.
Americans top tiers:
Best TD: T95
Best Arty: T92
Best Heavy: T110
Arguably best battle (not scouting) Light: Chaffee.
Can’t have everything huh? alright then, here’s a challange:
Name one German Top Tier that is the best in it’s class.

The T-34 is by far the worst Tier 5 medium. Owned by both the Sherman and the PzIV.

Ever heard of the Pz III/IV or the M7 bro? also the T-34 OWNS the Sherman, refer to your earlier post to Nair regarding the proper usage of the T-34, it’s actually the second best non-premium Tier 5 medium right after the PzIV (which is OP I admit, or as my 750 battles in that tank can attest)

The A-20 is one of the worst tanks in the game


Disproved, next.

The SU-152 and the SU-100 are underpowered.


152mm derp, case closed.

rant about other previously unmentioned Russian heavies


Did I mentioned just how SHITTY the VK4502 Ausf. A AND Ausf. B are? Trust me the ISs and KV-5 are Godly next to them, no long 10.5 on A and rear mounted turret on B my left buttcheek.

The vast majority of tanks in the 7.3 update were incredibly underpowered. KV-4 especially.


>underpowered new Russian tanks
You are mentioning steps that the devs took on the road to redemption, but I agree nonetheless.
>KV-4
OH SHIT N***** WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
IS-8 and IS-4 is without doubt shit, I admit, but the KV-4 is far from bad, after the boosts it received in the last update and the Nerfs the King Tiger received you can pretty much say they are tied for the position of best Tier 8 heavy.

The 7.3 Update. Full stop.


The 7.4 Update. Full stop.
Frontal transmission for EVERY GERMAN TANK YAY!
PRETTY PRETTY BONFIRES FROM EVERY SIDE!



Nice one, but this version is a clearer montage with better audio fidelity and translated lyrics in the description:


I’d like to invite Russian Fedora and Thomas Nair to state their opinions as well.
Oh and BTW we weren’t fighting/flaming , this TL;DR friendly jibber-jabber dates back to the days of Pony General.

Or as the Lyrics say:


Bestaubt sind die Gesichter,
Doch froh ist unser Sinn,
Ja unser Sinn;

said it better than I ever could.


Note#2: Just read BP’s second post at this point in time


Which is why the Russian mediums lost a lot of their guns. They don’t need em anymore.

So you do admit that the Russians WERE better equipped against higher tiers than other tanks, Which makes them better which means Russian Bias. Thanks.

Also according to your updates, the Devs confirm my complains which are also EVERY PLAYER’S COMPLAIN AS LONG AS SAID PLAYER ISN’T CALLED BURNING_PHONEIX, that the E-100/Maus/IS-4 Are shit and need buffing.
Now when will the IS-8/VK45s get some love too?

Also @ E-50:
>same Caliber as other tier 9 mediums but LOWEST RoF
>RoF nerfed even more.
….
I have no words.

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Jul 12, 2012 at 01:32AM EDT
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Phoenix posted:

Adding one new tank at the top is easier than adding a tank in the middle and reblancing two tanks as they shift upwards.

Then why are they shoving an entirely new tank into the French tech tree and shoving everything along that one line up a tier?

Jul 12, 2012 at 03:41PM EDT

American Tanker, Hell on Tracks wrote:

Phoenix posted:

Adding one new tank at the top is easier than adding a tank in the middle and reblancing two tanks as they shift upwards.

Then why are they shoving an entirely new tank into the French tech tree and shoving everything along that one line up a tier?

Because the Batchat was already too advanced a tank for the game’s historical period. Most French tanks are.

The United States on the other hand has a natural upgrade to the M46 in the M48.

Jul 12, 2012 at 03:50PM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

Because the Batchat was already too advanced a tank for the game’s historical period. Most French tanks are.

The United States on the other hand has a natural upgrade to the M46 in the M48.

But it does mean that they’re creating an entirely new tank for the game that they didn’t have before, and that they’re shunting five separate tanks up a tier, which means they’ll have to rebalance all of them for their new tiers.

I’m just wondering why they can’t insert a tank they’ve already got files for back into the tech tree.

Jul 12, 2012 at 04:12PM EDT

burning_phoneix wrote:

Because the Batchat was already too advanced a tank for the game’s historical period. Most French tanks are.

The United States on the other hand has a natural upgrade to the M46 in the M48.

I don’t know how are thy going to re-balance the AMX 12t to make it a tier 6 without giving it the 75mm of the AMX 13 75.
But yes, the Lorri is way over-gunned for a tier 8 Medium and the Batchat is insane.
I wonder why Bats always die first in pub games….

Jul 12, 2012 at 04:22PM EDT
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X wrote:

I don’t know how are thy going to re-balance the AMX 12t to make it a tier 6 without giving it the 75mm of the AMX 13 75.
But yes, the Lorri is way over-gunned for a tier 8 Medium and the Batchat is insane.
I wonder why Bats always die first in pub games….

Because it’s fast. :P

Frankly, if the other Tier 10 mediums moved as fast as the Batchat it would be a stampeding race to see who can get shot first.

(And don’t worry, I’ll continue our little tl;dr soon :P )

Jul 12, 2012 at 10:41PM EDT
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Excuse the double post but big news:

Here is the new Matchmaker:

Very good…unless you’re a B1 driver that is!

Also, here are the buffs to the Tier X Heavies:

IS-4:

Increased vehicle durability
Decreased dispersion for М62-Т2 gun on turning the turret

Maus:

+ 200 HP

E-100:

+100 HP
+5% to accuracy
+1.1 sec increase in reload time of top gun

The Maus now has I think 3000HP? Goddamn.

But I still don’t see how the E-100 can stack up against the other heavies, especially with a nerf to it’s weakest point: The Gun.

They say they are “reworking HE Shell crit damage” but after the outrage regarding the numerous Crew kills that arty has now, I doubt it’s a buff.

In addition:

-Nearly all French SPGs and TDs have been nerfed
-All Tier 2-3 TDs have been nerfed
-Repair costs and income for many USA Tier 6-8 tanks have been nerfed
-Income and repair of many turreted american TDs brought in line with non-turreted US TDs
-Hetzer,Jagdpanther,VK3002DB and Lowe receive lower repair costs
-BDR G1B, H35, Rubber Ducky and D1 getting income boosts
-Obj704 and Jagdtiger receiving income nerfs to bring them in line with T95
-KV-3 getting lower repair costs while IS-3 getting higher repair

Example of Tier 3 TD nerfs:

7.4

7.5

5 HITPOINTS?! THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

:p

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Jul 12, 2012 at 11:37PM EDT
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I’d be more upset with how they cut down the view range by 40 meters. How am I going to snipe solo now?

Though I guess it could just be a way to put a greater emphasis on teamwork and team play, instead of letting certain TDs go off on their own and dominate an entire area with powerful direct fire.

Jul 14, 2012 at 03:31PM EDT

Meh, all it would require is grinding some cash on binocs to get it back like it used to.

Jul 14, 2012 at 03:49PM EDT
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X-Singular posted:

Also INB4 RussianFedora and Thomas Nair rush to your defense

Why do you assume I’d do that?

A). I’m a noob who never played the tanks: I have more matches in BOTH tanks (about 100 battles) and I still have them both in my garage and I pit them against each other regularly (I’m that obsessed, yes).
B). I don’t know history: I know the Sonderkraftfahrzeug 181 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger was a feared tank by the Brits, but think about this: the Tiger cost almost 800,000 Reichsmarks, while the Sdfkz 171 Panzerkampfwagen V Panther was a cheap 130,000 Reichsmarks, just a measly 20,000 Reichsmarks over the PzIV, now THAT’S industry.

You gave me no reason to believe either of these things. I’m saddened that you expect so little of me, X.

I’d like to invite Russian Fedora and Thomas Nair to state their opinions as well.

I think that some tanks suck, some tanks are average, and some are good. The different nations have different advantages and disadvantages, and for the most part I find no bias. The devs are constantly rebalancing the game, and I think people should stop giving them so much vitriolic flak for not getting it right in an update.

The devs are humans too, they can’t appeal to everyone at the same time all in one update. WoT is a game that updates constantly, and Wargaming is trying its best to perfect it with each one. Of course they’ll mess up. People do that. But it’s not like such screw-ups are set in stone, to be unchanged forever. They can fix it in the next patch.

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Jul 14, 2012 at 04:12PM EDT
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Piano wrote:

X-Singular posted:

Also INB4 RussianFedora and Thomas Nair rush to your defense

Why do you assume I’d do that?

A). I’m a noob who never played the tanks: I have more matches in BOTH tanks (about 100 battles) and I still have them both in my garage and I pit them against each other regularly (I’m that obsessed, yes).
B). I don’t know history: I know the Sonderkraftfahrzeug 181 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger was a feared tank by the Brits, but think about this: the Tiger cost almost 800,000 Reichsmarks, while the Sdfkz 171 Panzerkampfwagen V Panther was a cheap 130,000 Reichsmarks, just a measly 20,000 Reichsmarks over the PzIV, now THAT’S industry.

You gave me no reason to believe either of these things. I’m saddened that you expect so little of me, X.

I’d like to invite Russian Fedora and Thomas Nair to state their opinions as well.

I think that some tanks suck, some tanks are average, and some are good. The different nations have different advantages and disadvantages, and for the most part I find no bias. The devs are constantly rebalancing the game, and I think people should stop giving them so much vitriolic flak for not getting it right in an update.

The devs are humans too, they can’t appeal to everyone at the same time all in one update. WoT is a game that updates constantly, and Wargaming is trying its best to perfect it with each one. Of course they’ll mess up. People do that. But it’s not like such screw-ups are set in stone, to be unchanged forever. They can fix it in the next patch.

Stated like a true gentleman…
INB4 I have a Russian (Fedora) Bias.
Nair is still too inexperienced to properly judge, but you must know:

  • Sonderkraftfahrzeug 171 Panzerkampfwagen V Panther mit 7,5 cm Kampfwagenkanone 45 L/100.
  • Sonderkraftfahrzeug 181 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger mit 8,8 cm Kampfwagenkanone 43 L/71.

    Which is better? and I mean in-game.
    Yes I know I’m comparing a Medium to a Heavy, but they both have comparable stats and they both carry out the same role (snipers).
Jul 14, 2012 at 04:42PM EDT
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Say, anyone here get to participate in the 7.5 mass tests? They’re shutting down the test servers so I want to know what it was like.

Jul 31, 2012 at 11:17PM EDT

X wrote:

Stated like a true gentleman…
INB4 I have a Russian (Fedora) Bias.
Nair is still too inexperienced to properly judge, but you must know:

  • Sonderkraftfahrzeug 171 Panzerkampfwagen V Panther mit 7,5 cm Kampfwagenkanone 45 L/100.
  • Sonderkraftfahrzeug 181 Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger mit 8,8 cm Kampfwagenkanone 43 L/71.

    Which is better? and I mean in-game.
    Yes I know I’m comparing a Medium to a Heavy, but they both have comparable stats and they both carry out the same role (snipers).

I actually haven’t played either the Tiger or the Panther, so I couldn’t say from experience. But it seems that people love Panthers, and give it praise quite a lot. So, just from hearsay, I’d have to vote for the Panther.

Jul 31, 2012 at 11:20PM EDT
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Also, I recently bought a German T-25 Tier 5 Medium and have used it in one battle.

I think I like it.

Have any of you used it? If so, do you think I made a good purchase?

Aug 01, 2012 at 03:51PM EDT

American Tanker, Hell on Tracks wrote:

Say, anyone here get to participate in the 7.5 mass tests? They’re shutting down the test servers so I want to know what it was like.

I tend not to trust Public tests. They always give off real shitty impressions of tanks due to gold rounds and generally shitty pubby play. For example, the T110E5 was considered incredibly horrible all during public tests right up to the day of release and it’s suddenly one of the best tier 10 heavies.

Basically, it seemed the new Patton was the best out of the Tier 10 mediums with all them having insane Pen and damage stats that somewhat renders Tier 10 heavies obsolete. But we’ll see how it turns out.


Also, 7.5 isn’t out but the devs are already releasing info on 8.0. As you can tell from the number jump, this one is bringing major changes:

Yes, there is no 7.6 a number change usually indicates a big jump in something and in 8.0 it’s the rendering engine.

Here are the known info about it:

1. New Rendering engine means better graphics (check the latest ASAP video to see a preview)
2. Physics IS VERY POSSIBLE but not guaranteed.
3. British tanks ARE NOT coming in 8.0, they are most likely gonna be 8.1 (Like how Frenchies were 7.1)
4.One premium vehicle will be added
5. New Radial Menu for calling out commands (Like pressing F5 to say “Affirmative”)

And the biggest change so far: A complete rework of the Battle Report!

t’s a long description so I won’t bore you with it but that’s the screen that will show up after the battle telling you things like damage, and stuff. For more screens and Russian translations, go here:

http://forum.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/145908-version-80-preview-after-battle-statistics/

@ T-25:

I’m not too familiar with it though I hear it’s a decent tank. Personally, my favorite tier 5 premium is still the Churchill.

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Aug 01, 2012 at 05:22PM EDT
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Eh, I tend not to like heavies too much: not maneuverable enough. I actually dislike my KV-1. The only heavy so far that I kinda like is the American T1 Heavy, but it gets a 960 HP engine, so it’s pretty quick for its size. Engine carries over to the M6, so I think I’ll like that one too.

Also, I think the T-25 might end up being an excellent training tank for the E-50. They seem similar enough: Good, highly accurate gun; high straight line speed; decent armor and good amounts of health; but sluggish hull and turret traverse rates.

Aug 01, 2012 at 05:39PM EDT

So, a couple weeks a go, I finally decided to buy some gold so that I could start some new tank lines. I bought the lowest gold set, 1250 gold, and purchased three slots with it. Then, I dismounted a complex equipment piece on my M4 (gun rammer), and bought yet another slot when they were on sale.

So, here’s my garage as of today:


I have a total of ten slots, with eight filled, one about to be filled (by an M4A3E8, once I’ve got enough money to purchase it), and one free for whatever line I want to start- or, alternatively, for whatever tank I want as a moneymaker.

Start rambling about various tanks and modules
I just recently purchased the 122 Long for my KV-1S, and I had to learn the hard way that it doesn’t work the same as the 122 Short, or at least, it doesn’t without HE shells. My first few games with it were filled with misses and bounces. I’m not entirely sure what happened with all those misses, because the Short is less accurate than the Long, and I was doing fine with the Short. I also didn’t know how expensive the Long’s ammo would be before-hand, so that came as quite a shock.

The Long has been kind of sour-sweet, because I’m getting a lot more bounces and misses than I did with the Short, but fighting lower tiers with the Long is so deliciously overkill. For example, I was fighting on Himmelsdorf, in the left corridor/access-way of the city, and an enemy StuG was rolling full speed from behind one building to another, both right next to me. Just before he could make it behind the building he was racing to, I put one shot right into his side, destroying him. Granted, he was near half HP if I remember correctly, but one-shotting him still made me cackle maniacally.

I also have the VK3601H, which, as I imagine most current or previous VK owners know, really sucks as stock. The gun can’t pen a soda can, and it’s pretty sluggish for a med. Additionally, the tech tree is quite complicated and daunting. Luckily, there’s a strategy video on DGnet here, narrated by Nethervvoid, which gives some pretty good instructions on where to start on the tech tree, and how to play the VK. But grinding is pretty difficult on the stock VK, and so far I only have the upgraded tracks. I have to get through two (somewhat xp-expensive) modules to get to the (much more xp-expensive) upgraded gun I want!

I have also, as you can see in the above screenshots, started the French TD line, and I’m currently on the Tier IV Somua S40. Nethervvoid has a (quite negative) video on the Somua as well, which can be found here. I have to agree with him on a couple of his points, most notably the accuracy of the guns and the armor. I can sort of tolerate the speed, but the armor and accuracy are serious stumbling blocks. Nether suggests playing it as a close-up tank, but I seem to have some success playing it as a sniper, and the gun is reasonably potent when it lands a hit. He also suggests getting the 105, but I won’t even bother. I’m more focused on just getting to the next tank; the S-35 seems like a pretty awesome TD, if not simply because of the gun.
End rambling about various tanks and modules

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Aug 01, 2012 at 09:31PM EDT
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Russian Rhino wrote:

I just recently purchased the 122 Long for my KV-1S, and I had to learn the hard way that it doesn’t work the same as the 122 Short, or at least, it doesn’t without HE shells.

Are you comparing the 122mm U-11 with the 122mm D2-5T?

THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT GUNS! The U-11 is a howitzer derp gun that relies on HE to do anything!

The D2-5T is a proper tank gun which relies on AP and penetration to do damage. The pen of 175mm is rather low at that tier so you’ll have to aim at the weakspots which is not easy with .46 accuracy :(

I also have the VK3601H, which, as I imagine most current or previous VK owners know, really sucks as stock. The gun can’t pen a soda can, and it’s pretty sluggish for a med.

It’s actually going to be reclassified as a heavy but fully upgraded it’s a great tank. I iwsh the short 88 had more pen but otherwise it has great armour, good damage and armour for its tier and is fairly agile given its weight.

Aug 01, 2012 at 11:50PM EDT
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Say, Phoenix, while you’re here, what do you think of the German T-25 Medium?

Aug 02, 2012 at 12:05AM EDT

burning_phoneix wrote:

Russian Rhino wrote:

I just recently purchased the 122 Long for my KV-1S, and I had to learn the hard way that it doesn’t work the same as the 122 Short, or at least, it doesn’t without HE shells.

Are you comparing the 122mm U-11 with the 122mm D2-5T?

THOSE ARE VERY DIFFERENT GUNS! The U-11 is a howitzer derp gun that relies on HE to do anything!

The D2-5T is a proper tank gun which relies on AP and penetration to do damage. The pen of 175mm is rather low at that tier so you’ll have to aim at the weakspots which is not easy with .46 accuracy :(

I also have the VK3601H, which, as I imagine most current or previous VK owners know, really sucks as stock. The gun can’t pen a soda can, and it’s pretty sluggish for a med.

It’s actually going to be reclassified as a heavy but fully upgraded it’s a great tank. I iwsh the short 88 had more pen but otherwise it has great armour, good damage and armour for its tier and is fairly agile given its weight.

I’m not comparing the U-11 with the D2-5T, I’m talking about how doing so in the first place was a bad idea!

Aug 02, 2012 at 12:27AM EDT
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American Tanker, Hell on Tracks wrote:

Say, Phoenix, while you’re here, what do you think of the German T-25 Medium?

Umm…we already discussed it above (a little under the screenshots I posted about patch 8.0)…Unless you weren’t talking to me about it? :O

Aug 02, 2012 at 12:34AM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

Umm…we already discussed it above (a little under the screenshots I posted about patch 8.0)…Unless you weren’t talking to me about it? :O

Oh, right, sorry. Seeing only one line under those massive images kinda drowned it out.

Guess I’m the only one here that has one then.

Aug 02, 2012 at 12:53AM EDT

Back to my feud with X-Singular:

So how are you liking the MUCH smaller M3 Lee with a Turret and a BIGGER gun.
Oh wait, IT HAS NONE OF THOSE THINGS, the gun is the only good thing on the Lee and it Payed the price by LOSING the Turret.
Also the fact that it leads to the master of OPs the KV doesn’t really add to it’s image.

The Lee is smaller, has just a good a gun and much better sloped armour (51mm of SLOPED armour (which is equal to the M4 Shermans 51mm of slope=76mm of armour) compared to 30mm unsloped in additon). It payed for these advantages by having it’s turret removed but as much as I don’t like the Lee, I’d rather have it instead of the T28.


>T43
>Bad armor
>Same frontal armor as Panther with better Side armor and better Ammo rack placement and the TRANSMISSION IS NOT ON THE FRONT OF THE TANK so NO bonfires from front/back shots and 1-Hit-Kills from side.

you serious?

Oh boy, sit down Panzerfag and listen to the woes of the person who actually has both a Panther and a T-43:

The T-43 has worse frontal Armour that the Panther (though not by much) and the Panther has FAR superior turret armour (120+ huge ass mantlet versus 90+small mantlet and exposed ammo racks). IN ADDITION: The Panther is able to snipe thanks to it’s very good accuracy guns, which makes it’s armour a bit more potent since enemies will engage it at range. T-43 has horrible accuracy, IT NEEDS to get in close, putting it more at risk.

And did you know that the T-43 CAN be set on fire from the front? It’s true! The T-43 has very exposed fuel tanks that can be lit by hitting it dead center of the glacis.

The T-43 and T-44 are the absolute worse tanks in the game when it comes to ammo racks (Also, I want to test you. Where are the ammo racks on the Panther or even most of the German tanks?). You GAVE ME the link to the Wiki. Go read what it says:

*Dogfighting most medium tanks of your tier, especially the American ones, is pretty much a suicide, as even some tank destroyers, such as the Jagdpanther, can sometimes outmaneuver you, and the very popular IS series is just as fast as the T-43. *

Oh dear! Even a turretless panther can outmaneuver this POS! Even the heavy IS series is faster! And it has worst accuracy guns with slow reload time! How is this anyway better than the Panther is beyond me.

Same/worse armor than a Tier 6 MEDIUM tank (not heavy, medium), It’s a paper tank. Lower DPS then a Tier 6 MEDIUM, It struggles to output any damage. Worse mobility than the Tier 6 medium before it, For an engine THAT strong and costly to unlock, it should be doing 35km/H easily, not stuck at 29km/h. Horrible Grind Trip: There’s a reason that unlike all other tanks (which are simply called "stock) the Stock Tiger has a Nickname: “THE BABY TIGER” ; The Last gun you unlock (which sucks) is the STOCK gun for the next tier, yes it’s just THAT BAD. Inability to mount the shitty gun without unlocking the shitty Turret first, now you might ask why am I bringing this up? BAM: TIGER P baby! TWICE the frontal armor (200mm vs 100mm), same speed and IT CAN MOUNT THE SAME SHITTY GUN ON THE DEFAULT TURRET.

You talking about the VK3601H? It’s being reclassified as a Heavy and to be honest, it’s the one of the best Tier 6s when it comes to armour.

And seriously….the T29 is the only Tier 7 heavy with good armour. The IS? 100mm turret (upgraded turret doesn’t offer any better armour) and 100mm frontal armour, same as the Tiger. And the Tiger has 210 more hitpoints to make up for it.

WAIT You cry, THE IS HAS 120MM OF ARMOUR NOT 100!. Actually….the 120mm? That’s for the very small part of the armour where the Driver’s hatch is located. The much larger lower part is 100mm only.
Lower DPS, which T6 tank we talking about here?

I’ll leave the Baby Tiger for a bit later.

The 88mm L/71 is an excellent gun. Of course, you don’t know this because you haven’t played any Tier 7s of any other nations so let me show you, I’m comparing it to the top guns of the T29 and IS:

ROF of L/71 is ranked #1
Penetration of L/71 is ranked #1. T29 is close (198mm) and the IS WAY behind (175mm)
Accuracy of L/71 is ranked #1
DPM is tied at #2 with the T29. IS is first
Aim time is #2 with the T29 first and the IS trailing far behind
The only part where the 88mm L/71 is last is pure damage. Which as shown by your love of the 75mm L/100, you care less about if the DPS is better :/

As for the Baby Tiger comment, it’s not because he Tiger sucks at stock more than any other tank…..it’s because this game is populated by Panzerfags who go into the game and go straight for the Tiger because “I WANT TO KILL 6 TANKS EASILY MICHAEL WITTMAN DID IT! THIS 88MM CAN PERICE THE HEAVENS GURREN LAGGAN STYLE”.

They call it the Baby Tiger because it’s not what they expect, few if any people have seen the Tiger with a 75mm gun and that particular turret. Everyone expects the Tiger they heard so much stories about and as much as I love the Tiger…..It’s an overrated tank. It broke down too much, the armour was archaic and too heavy for its own good.

The Chieftain actually wrote an article simply to put to rest the “’WHY DOES MY STOCK TIGER LOOK LIKE THAT?” emails that support kept receiving. It’s quite an interesting read.

http://worldoftanks.com/news/1334-chieftains-hatch-hello-kitty/

I do agree that the Tiger P is better. The Tiger H needs the extra speed to set it apart from it’s heavier cousin. In Fairness, the Tiger P has lower acceleration than the Tiger H but it has a 670HP engine pushing 60 tons….the Tiger has 870 HP pushing 59 tons and the only difference is…. a bit of acceleration? It needs a higher top speed!

It lasted ONE UPDATE before the 15cm pen was nerfed back to just 200mm, of course after a lot of objection from the players it was boosted back up, but now HE is useless so meh, Keyword here is “when it was introduced” as in no longer now.

Things swing in and out of balance all the time. “Now” does not mean “Always has been and always will be”

Let’s simulate:
>A Wild T110 appeared.
>Run.
>Can’t: Too slow.
>Attempt to flank that thick hunk of metal.
>Can’t:See Above.
>Fine then: Fight.
>Attack: 0 Damage
>Get Hit: 400 Damage
>Friendly arty Fired!
>Missed: T110 is too fast.
>Enemy Arty Fired!
>Direct hit: You are too slow.
End of turn 1.
Him:Full HP
You:Full HP-400
Repeat untill the Maus is a smoking wreck and the T110 has a slightly smeared paint-job (OH NOES)
next point.

Silly Hypothetical scenario that means nothing. Maus not aiming at massive tumour or lower plate, T110E5 MOVING AND SHOOTING accurately at the same time (where the fuck does this happen?) somehow always hitting weakpoints in the armour (Upper Glacis of Maus can reliably bounce T110 rounds)
Also….he’s running from arty BUT NOT exposing his side armour at the same time?

Please leave the silly hypothetical scenarios out of this.

T95 gets both better armor and better gun, 15cm > 12.8cm.
Before you tell me it can’t turn for shit and moves too slow, it has 150mm side slanted armor, that thing is more armored than the front of a King Tiger, also if you are moving in a TD for a purpose other than relocating to another sniping location tahn you are playing TDs WRONG.

You’re a DPS nut right? The 12.8cm has the second best DPS in the entire game.

2940 DPM compared with 2460 for the T95 and 2625 for the Obj 704.

The 12.8cm has excellent accuracy, excellent aim time and excellent penetration. The 12.8cm is arguably one of the best, if not the best, guns in the game.

AND NO YOU HAVE TO MOVE AS A TD! MEDIUMS FLANK, ARTY HITS.

If a T95 gets in an arty’s crosshairs or if an AMX 13 90 gets you alone or god forbid a Lorraine…..

That’s it…give up…go home. It’s over.

YOU STILL HAVE ONLY 1700 HP THAT’S 3 OR 4 ARTY HITS

Did I say that the A-20 gets twice the Horsepower as the Pz38nA? I did? Wow!
also:
>tier 4 light
>actually looking at its combat abilities
>MatchMaker is still suck
>2012
>ISHYGDDT

>Suicide run
>Actually caring about Horsepower not power to weight. (OMG MAUS HAS SO MUCH HORSEPOWER MUST BE FAST AS SHIT)
>A-20 has 25 HP/ton 38nA has 22 HP/Ton. Very small difference
>38nA has 40 extra meters of view range, makes up for the very small difference in speed.
>I already proved that the Pz38nA is superior to nearly everything the A-20 has except suicide run
>I know prove that it has the same ability in suiciding, which actually really only needs a decent speed.

You see X, we call this “information” and “compare and contrast” and hypothetical not thought out well situations are not any of those.

Also, since you like nicknames that much, the A-20’s nickname is “Noob Trap”. And yes, I have played the A-20. I have suffered through it.

(CONTINUED IN PART 2)

Aug 02, 2012 at 05:18AM EDT
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Notice how I didn’t compare the T-50 to the Leopard (although we all know that the T-50 is superior), the M5 is decent, and the AMX40 forgoes the whole scouting thing by turning into a (completely useless in higher tiers) battle tank (that is unbeatable by same/lower tiers).
That leaves the two underdogs of the Light tanks, Both are considered worse than their other friend from the same nation. and YET the A-20 manages to be twice as good as the Pz38nA.
Look at Thomas’ Posts up in this page, he suffered from the Pz38nA as any player should.

The M5 has the worst power to weight ratio out of all them, which lends less credence to your suicide theory. Though I love that 75mm Howitzer.

And Thomas’ experience is irrelevant. Anecdotal evidence. All Tier 4 lights suffer because of the Matchmaking, A-20 included. A-20 especially since it is larger than it’s peers (It is a prototype of the T-34 medium tank) making it an easier target to take out.

INB4 you can’t have good everything.
Americans top tiers:
Best TD: T95
Best Arty: T92
Best Heavy: T110
Arguably best battle (not scouting) Light: Chaffee.
Can’t have everything huh? alright then, here’s a challange:
Name one German Top Tier that is the best in it’s class.

Best TD? Jagdtiger, though AMX50 Foch has taken that title but with the nerfing of the Fuck and the introduction of the Jagdpanzer E-100, the title is going back to the germans.

Best Arty? Debatable, all have their strengths. The T92 being the biggest in raw boom, the Obj 212 being the most accurate and the GW Type E being somewhere in the middle. Though the Batchat 155 pre-nerf was a contender as well.

Best Heavy? Hmm, Either the T110E5 or IS-7. The Maus is a solid third place though.

Best battle light? Toss up between the Chaffee and the VK2801. But in reality, who cares about “battle” lights? This is T-50-2’s world, we’re just living in it.

Ever heard of the Pz III/IV or the M7 bro? also the T-34 OWNS the Sherman, refer to your earlier post to Nair regarding the proper usage of the T-34, it’s actually the second best non-premium Tier 5 medium right after the PzIV (which is OP I admit, or as my 750 battles in that tank can attest)

M4 Sherman with 105mm derp can one shot a T-34 from the sides or the front if he hits a weak spot. The 105mm derp also makes it viable against higher tier tanks. The Pz III/IV is actually MUCH more nimble and agile than the T-34, which makes it much better as a flanker and in higher tier matches.

I do agree that its better than the M7, but the M7 ain’t bad. Love that QF 6 pounder.

The A-20 is one of the worst tanks in the game

Disproved, next.

Disproved your Disapproval. Next.

152mm derp, case closed.

He thinks…that tanks..with worst armour, HP, matchmaking and accuracy (0.5…ZERO POINT FIVE ACCURACY) are overpowered.

(btw, SU-100 does not have 152mm derp. The SU-152 does)

Did I mentioned just how SHITTY the VK4502 Ausf. A AND Ausf. B are? Trust me the ISs and KV-5 are Godly next to them, no long 10.5 on A and rear mounted turret on B my left buttcheek.

I can’t even remember what we were talking about here. And at this point, I’ve been writing for far too long to look through my own posts since you’re horrible at quoting. You are bad and should feel bad.

>underpowered new Russian tanks
You are mentioning steps that the devs took on the road to redemption, but I agree nonetheless.
>KV-4
OH SHIT N***** WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
IS-8 and IS-4 is without doubt shit, I admit, but the KV-4 is far from bad, after the boosts it received in the last update and the Nerfs the King Tiger received you can pretty much say they are tied for the position of best Tier 8 heavy.

Even with the buffs, the KV-4 isn’t to the level of the the KT or T32, though it is better now. It has great armour, but it is slow and the KT is armored better frontally (all round around armour in the KV-4 is better though) and has a slightly worse gun than the KT.

The 7.4 Update. Full stop.
Frontal transmission for EVERY GERMAN TANK YAY!
PRETTY PRETTY BONFIRES FROM EVERY SIDE!

The movement of the transmission to the front rarely impacts the E-75 and E-50, they have incredibly tough engines that do not torch easily. It’s an incredibly minor nerf, especially compared with the large nerfs in 7.3

Nice one, but this version is a clearer montage with better audio fidelity and translated lyrics in the description:

That is nice. Thank you!

So you do admit that the Russians WERE better equipped against higher tiers than other tanks, Which makes them better which means Russian Bias. Thanks.

Also according to your updates, the Devs confirm my complains which are also EVERY PLAYER’S COMPLAIN AS LONG AS SAID PLAYER ISN’T CALLED BURNING_PHONEIX, that the E-100/Maus/IS-4 Are shit and need buffing.
Now when will the IS-8/VK45s get some love too?

The Maus I believe was decent and it’s nice that it’s getting the buffs. The E-100 and IS-4, I didn’t say they didn’t need buffs, just that they weren’t always bad.

Also @ E-50:
>same Caliber as other tier 9 mediums but LOWEST RoF
>RoF nerfed even more.
….
I have no words.

I checked the latest update notes…. THE E-50 ROF IS NOT BEING CHANGED AFTER ALL!

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Aug 02, 2012 at 05:22AM EDT
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Sorry for the triple post but VERY EARLY 7.5 IMPRESSIONS!:

- Matchmaker is MUCH better. Other than scouts, you rarely get a bottom tier more than 2 tiers away from top tier.

-ELC AMX Is too much fun. It’s the size of Justin Beiber’s dick and moves fast as shit Did I also mention it has a 90mm 240 damage gun at Tier 5? It is weighted like a scout though, it has barely any turret traverse, only two crewmembers and has no autoloader. But it is still fun as hell.

- Arties now fear the new Tier 10 mediums. HIDE YO FLANKS! HIDE YO ARTIES CAUSE THEY RAPIN’ EVERYBODY OUT HERE!

Also:

And this was with 88mm L/71 too! I finally had the XP to get the Long 10.5cm

Aug 02, 2012 at 12:22PM EDT
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“Steel Wall” AND “Invader”?

Damn.

If you had gotten “Top Gun” on top of all that, you would have won the match by yourself.

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Aug 02, 2012 at 01:05PM EDT

I actually had 5 kills that match. Their was a remaining AMX 13 75 but he chose to hide instead of fighting me. :P

Aug 02, 2012 at 11:16PM EDT
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Just played a match of Assault on Prokhorovka. Sure, I was on defense and camped like a noob, but I got 7 kills for the Top Gun medal and somewhere near 2900 EXP. I was in a Panzer III A with the 5cm KwK 38 L/42. I stayed up on the hill overlooking the village until the very end of the match, once we had cut down most of the enemy. However, all 7 of my kills came by sniping from that hill.

If this is any indication, I’m at my best at long range.

Aug 03, 2012 at 07:05AM EDT

I don’t have battle recording enabled because I usually don’t do so well…

Aug 03, 2012 at 10:32AM EDT

It’s best to keep it on record all the time. You never know when you’ll hit gold ;)

Aug 03, 2012 at 10:42AM EDT
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