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KYM Pony General V: We Just Don't Know What Went Wrong

Last posted Jul 01, 2012 at 04:43PM EDT. Added Feb 19, 2012 at 11:27PM EST
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Finally, facts!
I personally thought that the voice was a bit overdone and that if they had to change anything, it should be that.

The one thing I’m still butthurt about is they removed her name. I know what it means and how it can be offensive from this and Verbose’s TL;DR. But I’m sure that if you “did more in-depth searches” you could find that some people could associate Ditzy with retarded and be offended by that too.
I personally think that Ditzy is worse, both as a name and as an “insult.”

Feb 29, 2012 at 07:41PM EST
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Eris the Pone wrote:

Finally, facts!
I personally thought that the voice was a bit overdone and that if they had to change anything, it should be that.

The one thing I’m still butthurt about is they removed her name. I know what it means and how it can be offensive from this and Verbose’s TL;DR. But I’m sure that if you “did more in-depth searches” you could find that some people could associate Ditzy with retarded and be offended by that too.
I personally think that Ditzy is worse, both as a name and as an “insult.”

Bah, Hasbro should’ve gone with choice one, or at the very least change the voice and voice ALONE, but nope, that’s not what happend. Hasbro, Y U cave into the vocal minority?!

Ssd part is, I’ll still purchase the figures and such, but now everytime I do, part of my soul dies.

Feb 29, 2012 at 08:14PM EST
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Ugh. Incoming image dump:


Here’s a recap of my blindbags:
Mane 6:


Twi repaints:


Rarity repaints:


Dash/Fluttershy repaints:


Pinkie repaints:


AJ repaints (These were a bitch to get right.):


And to finish of the complete blind bag set, we have the clear, sparkley versions of 3 out of the Mane 6:


Now that that’s over, the Derpy issue is kinda irritating. Please, discuss these instead.

Feb 29, 2012 at 08:28PM EST
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About the Derpy issue:

Basically what I got in that letter from Hasbro like 2 weeks ago was that Derpy is being changed due to numerous complaints received. For some reason they assumed I was a parent writing that letter.

Their letter was missing detail. It was short, very short. So, I bought stocks from HAS

I wrote again, this time I mentioned that I am an investor. Hasbro is much more willing to provide information to investors. I bought $1000 worth of stocks. They started providing me with more information, such as the toy lineup, the Hub and the show. At least now I get first hand information, and I get it before most people do.

Im gonna find that letter and scan it to show you guys what Hasbro wrote to me (before I invested). I received a second letter while I was outside of Canada, ill scan that a bit later.

edit: Im having trouble finding the letter., but it was in my room so I should find it quickly.
edit 2: Running out of time to edit this post – still havent found that letter. Bro not at home atm, he may have it. In either case, ill post more info soon.

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Feb 29, 2012 at 08:35PM EST

Eris the Pone wrote:

Finally, facts!
I personally thought that the voice was a bit overdone and that if they had to change anything, it should be that.

The one thing I’m still butthurt about is they removed her name. I know what it means and how it can be offensive from this and Verbose’s TL;DR. But I’m sure that if you “did more in-depth searches” you could find that some people could associate Ditzy with retarded and be offended by that too.
I personally think that Ditzy is worse, both as a name and as an “insult.”

I’m staying neutral on this.

It’s a cartoon for little girls about magical horses.

There we go, much better.


Although I do hope that the situation is now over, I doubt it is. Knowing how easily bronies can get butthurt, this won’t go down in silence. I’m expecting major shitstorms over the next couple of days.

Plus like Connor said as well, I doubt a name change to “Ditzy” is that much of an improvement when it comes to being insulting. Derp is internet slang, so I doubt all those “worried mothers” know of that word more than Ditzy.

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Feb 29, 2012 at 08:38PM EST
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Y’all know if the changed the name to Ditzy, people would complain that it is perpetuating the stereotype that blonds are dumb. :P

Eh, have some Derpy art to cheer ya up:

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:02PM EST
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Feb 29, 2012 at 09:08PM EST
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To lazy to make a Engie/Derpy pic. I will soon though. In the mean time have that as a gift.

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:14PM EST
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Eris the Pone wrote:

@dac
kinda liek dis?



More like this…

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:16PM EST
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Woohoo, I just submitted my story to FimFiction! I’ll post it up here after it’s through moderation!

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:26PM EST

…so yeah, I dunno if you guys know yet (or inferred it or whatever), but opspe and Verbose are done with the thread. I asked them about it, and it more or less summed up to them being annoyed.
Which is why I’ve been depressed all day.

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:29PM EST
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CitationNeeded wrote:

…so yeah, I dunno if you guys know yet (or inferred it or whatever), but opspe and Verbose are done with the thread. I asked them about it, and it more or less summed up to them being annoyed.
Which is why I’ve been depressed all day.

What exactly annoyed them?
- Derpy thing or other obsessions/shitstorms
- Lack of truly meaningful posts
- Too many meaningful posts

Some things about this thread irritate me, but I at some point I just go:

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:34PM EST

CitationNeeded wrote:

…so yeah, I dunno if you guys know yet (or inferred it or whatever), but opspe and Verbose are done with the thread. I asked them about it, and it more or less summed up to them being annoyed.
Which is why I’ve been depressed all day.

The newfaggotry… will last… FOREVER!!!



EDIT:
I’d say don’t go, but I know you’re doing what’s best for you. Sorry to see you go and I hope you’ll come and say hi every once-and-while. See ya.

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Feb 29, 2012 at 09:35PM EST
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Eris the Pone wrote:

The newfaggotry… will last… FOREVER!!!



EDIT:
I’d say don’t go, but I know you’re doing what’s best for you. Sorry to see you go and I hope you’ll come and say hi every once-and-while. See ya.

Algie’s close to leaving too, mainly because of that reason.
And Hell, now that I think of it….

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:36PM EST
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This is someone dying while having an MRI scan. Before you die, your brain releases tons and tons of endorphins that make you feel a range of emotions. Tragically beautiful.

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:38PM EST
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Wait, wait, wait…

whats the reason? Like should we all bail or hide or something?

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Feb 29, 2012 at 09:41PM EST

IvanP91c wrote:

Wait, wait, wait…

whats the reason? Like should we all bail or hide or something?

Just general idiocy. I’m not going to name anyone, but I think we all know who we are. They didn’t mention me, but I’m sure I’m part of it too.

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:43PM EST
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CitationNeeded wrote:

Just general idiocy. I’m not going to name anyone, but I think we all know who we are. They didn’t mention me, but I’m sure I’m part of it too.

General idiocy? Fantastic.

With this being the internet, it is to be expected. To avoid general idiocy, one would simply have to quit using the internet all together. (at least KYM, memebase, basically all of Cheezburger network)


Expecting people to be mature and respectful in a Pony thread:

The pony thread wasn’t created with intellectual discussions and analysis in mind. It was more about general nonsense somehow related to ponies.

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Feb 29, 2012 at 09:47PM EST

IvanP91c wrote:

General idiocy? Fantastic.

With this being the internet, it is to be expected. To avoid general idiocy, one would simply have to quit using the internet all together. (at least KYM, memebase, basically all of Cheezburger network)


Expecting people to be mature and respectful in a Pony thread:

The pony thread wasn’t created with intellectual discussions and analysis in mind. It was more about general nonsense somehow related to ponies.

>_>
They didn’t really list any acts in particular, mostly just users. Like I said, not going to name names.

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:50PM EST
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CitationNeeded wrote:

Just general idiocy. I’m not going to name anyone, but I think we all know who we are. They didn’t mention me, but I’m sure I’m part of it too.

Thats too bad. They were some of my favorite posters. I wish people would keep the role playing to a minimum honestly. I am quite surprised to hear that Opspe and Verbose is leaving really. I would understand if they didn’t want to post during the day, but the late night debates were always nice. Hope they change their mind.

Feb 29, 2012 at 09:52PM EST
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We should create a 2nd thread, that will be used for serious discussion, analysis, and other stuff. Less images and more discussion.

Use this thread for all kinds of insane stuff and
use the 2nd thread for serious stuff only:

If any troll and or hater posts in the new thread, they will simply be ignored and not replied to. Rather he would be overshadowed by longer, more serious posts.

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:03PM EST

IvanP91c wrote:

We should create a 2nd thread, that will be used for serious discussion, analysis, and other stuff. Less images and more discussion.

Use this thread for all kinds of insane stuff and
use the 2nd thread for serious stuff only:

If any troll and or hater posts in the new thread, they will simply be ignored and not replied to. Rather he would be overshadowed by longer, more serious posts.

Remember what happened when Verbose last tried that?
Hoo boy….

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:07PM EST
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With all the butthurt and over emotional discussion that happens lately, I don’t even wonder.

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:11PM EST
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CitationNeeded wrote:

>_>
They didn’t really list any acts in particular, mostly just users. Like I said, not going to name names.

Welp, I know I’m on that list.

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:12PM EST
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CitationNeeded wrote:

Remember what happened when Verbose last tried that?
Hoo boy….

Super important post, pls read:
Id really hate to loose intellectual discussion.

We could easy get our own forums. We would decide who is mod, etc. I mentioned before that I can get us a permanent IRC room. I could do the same for forums.

Most pony communities I have been to aren’t exactly focused on serious analysis or discussion. So I don’t know about joining another community.

But we can create our own, and then stick to this thread for general pony nonsense.

We could easily direct people to the new forums. In order to help the numbers grow and stuff.


I need more input from users who watch this thread, everyone’s opinion matters. PM me with any thoughts, questions and concerns u got.

Ill pay for hosting, forums and anything else. None of those free, ad-supported forums.
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The forum would have:
- serious discussion section
- silly things section
- games section
- Off-topic (non pony related stuff) section
It would be forums created by us, for us. I can register paid forums if I get enough people to support this idea.
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Inb4 Don or any other management for KYM kills me for potentially stealing users from them.
But we all know that even if you do join the new forums, you ain’t leaving KYM.

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Feb 29, 2012 at 10:13PM EST

Okay i come onto this thread, not be upset that no one is talking about luna but to see that you are all so upset.

What i want you all to do is cheer up and…

Smile!

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:17PM EST


Looks like the thread’s in a funk. Hopefully one we can get out of.

Time to go read threads 2 and 3.

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:28PM EST
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(Nah, please don’t if you have not already).
>Implying some one already is.
But all I just want to say to you all is good night! :D
And hope tomorrow will be better!

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:29PM EST
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Eris the Pone wrote:


Looks like the thread’s in a funk. Hopefully one we can get out of.

Time to go read threads 2 and 3.

I SAID SMILE DAMMIT- okay…i just wanted to make you guy’s smile rather then get upset…i think I’m gonna go to bed now…

Feb 29, 2012 at 10:35PM EST

GIANTDAD wrote:

I SAID SMILE DAMMIT- okay…i just wanted to make you guy’s smile rather then get upset…i think I’m gonna go to bed now…

I guess I’m just annoyed by the Derpy situation, but meh, guess if the edited version gets put on TV I’ll go

and pop in the DVD with the unedited one on it.

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Feb 29, 2012 at 10:45PM EST
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RandomMan wrote:

With all the butthurt and over emotional discussion that happens lately, I don’t even wonder.

You couldn’t be more right. Hopefully, we can learn from this and cut it out with all the melodrama and arguing.

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:06PM EST
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Dac wrote:

You couldn’t be more right. Hopefully, we can learn from this and cut it out with all the melodrama and arguing.

Or… or… we can create our own community, with blackjack and hookers. Where we can decide what gets posted. With specific sections for every kind of pony discussion. From silly stuff to dead serious stuff.

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Need a name for the trial run. Something that doesn’t focus around one single character.

Ill consider all name suggestions.

Last edited Feb 29, 2012 at 11:11PM EST
Feb 29, 2012 at 11:09PM EST

Weird, I didn’t even know there was such a word, but meh, it’s not to surprising, there’s a word for just about everything now a days.

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:16PM EST
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Mister J wrote:

Word of the day:

Why do I find this so ironic coming from you?

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:16PM EST
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Mister J wrote:

Word of the day:

>2012
>not being attracted to animated characters

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:20PM EST
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@Mister J
Why is that whenever you put "-philia at the end of words, it all of sudden makes them seem like some greatly debilitating mental condition that requires you to be thrown into some mental institution?

For example:
“glossophilia”
Sounds likes someone has a fetish for shiny things?
WRONG
It just means someone that likes to study languages, find out how they work and how they are used.

“cinephilia”
Fetish for sine functions?
NOPE
Likes movies

also:

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Feb 29, 2012 at 11:35PM EST
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@Daniel: Yeah, I saw that in the pictures. Those are some trolling pets, and Scootaloo.

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:35PM EST
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Sleep?

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:37PM EST

Okay, so…. I guess it’s my turn to speak.

The Derpy issue has been solved. We all overreacted, but it seems there were far worse reactions than ours. For this, I am happy. We’ve managed to keep our heads relatively cool through a situation that could have started something big.


Verbs and opspe leaving… It is unfortunate, I’ll agree. But we have to realize, they’re not gone for good. They may post less in this thread, or even avoid posting at all. But they’ll still be around KYM. You may be in the JFF forums cracking a joke, or asking the mods about the site. They might read your posts and decide to respond. They’ll still be here, they’ve just decided to avoid posting in here. Kind of the same thing I did long ago. I read and catch up. But I don’t actively take part in it all. Just remember that they may be absent, but they’re not gone.


I’ve said my piece.

Feb 29, 2012 at 11:56PM EST
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I’ve been rather disappointed with the content of the thread myself as of late, hence the lack of posting. I still read it from time to time, and post when I have something to say, but I seldom take part in the discussions anymore, because they don’t appeal to me.

Verbose and opspe turning into lurkers is quite a blow to this thread.

Their comforting presence in this thread will be sorely missed.


I fully support Ivan’s idea for a separate Pony forum.

We could call it Super Duper Pony World or some crap like that.

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Mar 01, 2012 at 12:24AM EST

I’m not dead, guys. I just don’t want to post here in this one thread anymore. I’m still a forum moderator, so I know what happens in all of the threads, and I’ll still be in SynchTubes and stuff when I see the link. So chill and have fun.

I’m tired of complaining, and you’re tired of hearing it. It was a long-time coming.
 
As for a new forum, I really like the idea, but I gave Ivan more details.


And even though many users here only post about FiM stuff, most of us love KYM. Just like Alex said, he posts on other forums, but he still likes it here. As do I (despite me wanting to make a ton of new rules for the forums, because chaos don’t jive with me.) I still love memes and I still enjoy most of the users here. I’m not going anywhere (of my own free will) yet.

Mar 01, 2012 at 12:27AM EST

IvanP91c wrote:

Or… or… we can create our own community, with blackjack and hookers. Where we can decide what gets posted. With specific sections for every kind of pony discussion. From silly stuff to dead serious stuff.

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Need a name for the trial run. Something that doesn’t focus around one single character.

Ill consider all name suggestions.

Kym-Brony forum. I don’t know, any name will do.

Mar 01, 2012 at 12:29AM EST
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Okay, so… about that Pony forum idea. I got a bunch of Private messages. People like the idea.

For now, I created this free, fast and sloppy thing:
knowyourpony

Those free forums are just an example (a terrible, sloppy example). Before I spend money on hosting and stuff I need to know a few things, etc.

- what categories do people wanna see (Serious discussion, Image dump, Off-topic [stuff unrelated to ponies] such as video games, movies, music)
- I need a name. A good, serious name that doesn’t focus on one character.
- Titles, and other stuff (Admin, Global Moderator, VIP users, Banned, etc)


I contacted a few people IRL, people who really know this stuff to make this nice, clean and perfect. Customize every single part of the forum so it looks nice, clean and professional.
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Please note: I am not responsible for any mental trauma caused by looking at that crappy sample forum.
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“By using this forum, we will NOT be limited to one thread and can therefore have serious discussion in one section and silly stuff in another. All in perfect harmony.”

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Mar 01, 2012 at 12:31AM EST

@ Verbose and Opspe leaving

I probably don’t have much of a say in this matter, since I haven’t been around as long as the rest of you have. However, I think the likely reason for their departure from the thread is, as said before, the drama that occurs here. I recall Verbose stating he was tired of the drama that sometimes takes place here on one of the Synchtube’s chats. Hopefully, they weren’t referring to the Derpy drama, because we didn’t really respond all that badly (as has been said before). Some of us did over-react (myself included), but generally, most of us were OK, and I think the majority of what we did was over-react to a brony over-reaction, rather than the actual scenario.

Or, it could be that they’re simply tired of having long-winded discussions about ponies. It can be hard to come up with topics of serious discussion, and so they could have simply meant that they might be posting less.

Regardless, they have their reasons, and they’re most likely valid ones. As said before, they’ll still be here on KYM.


@ Derpy message

Personally, I think they were right to change Derpy’s voice and name (I know this is ironic, considering the previous part of this post). Even if it was a minority offended, people were still offended, and that is a big deal when it comes to a show that’s all about tolerance. We must remember that we are the unintended audience, regardless of whether or not we are the majority, and so if something even remotely offends or could possibly offend it’s intended audience (and it’s unintended audience), then they should take action.

That being said, however, Hasbro really should have done a better job at communicating with the community. I don’t mean to strike out at Hasbro or anything, but with something this important to the fanbase, they should have explained their actions sooner, rather than let the fanbase speculate and fight amongst itself for a month. It was an honest mistake, but I think they underestimated just how important Derpy is to the community, and they probably should have done some more research. They (or rather the VA) did get the gender mixed up, for example (once again, I’m trying to sound neutral here).

This isn’t the first time a fanbase has overreacted due to a lack of communication. For example, if you were to take the Valve fanbase, there is a good deal of turbulence (for a lack of better words) going on over Half Life 3. At one of the E3’s (I forgot which), Valve said they were going to release info on the game, but they didn’t. Rather than explaining why not or apologizing, they just acted like it never happened, and so massive paranoia grew among the HL fanbase (though it’s mostly died down by now).


As for why these sh*tstorms happen in the first place, my theory is that MLP simply attracts the emotionally disturbed/unstable, who are seeking some sort of support to help themselves get through their strifes (this included myself a while back, but I’m not going into that). These people are usually seeking to belong to some sort of community, and by nature, the community is generally very friendly and supporting (mainly because it correlates with the message of the show).

As such, when something happens, these people are likely to respond in a highly emotional way as opposed to a rational one. This is just my theory though.


Edit: Verbose posted while I was typing this (I spent 15 minutes typing this), and this would probably sound much clearer if I wasn’t so tired right now.

Also, I hope I’m not being one of those guys that are here just to post in this thread. I do generally go into the other threads every so often, though I may be guilty of having the majority of my posts in here.


Double edit: Are you sure you want to pay for a site that only about 7 of us (give or take) will use? I’m not trying to sound mean or anything, it’s just that you will be paying for it.


Triple edit: Dang it, this is at the end of the page. Nobody’s going to admire this philosophical post I spent 15 minutes on. That is, if anybody reads posts that take 15 minutes to type.

Last edited Mar 01, 2012 at 12:59AM EST
Mar 01, 2012 at 12:35AM EST
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@ Muffinator Supreme

We would get more than just people who post in this thread. The main point of the other forums is to have control over quality.

And having more than one section means that we can have everything at once, silly stuff and serious stuff. Perfect harmony.

Mar 01, 2012 at 12:42AM EST

@Pyro: Oh yes, I forgot to mention it, but I have two of those repaints that you have, though you have all of them. I have a Rarity repaint, Lemon Hearts and one of the AJ repaints, Sweetie Blue.

All I can say is that the Rarity repaints need to watch out since they all look like Rarity, and you know what that means.

Yep, that all the Rarity recolors would have Spike all over them.

@Muffinator Supreme: People apparently got offended by Zecora as well if I remember some post here. Should they go and change her as well, or remove her?

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Mar 01, 2012 at 12:43AM EST
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