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KYM Pony General V: We Just Don't Know What Went Wrong

Last posted Jul 01, 2012 at 04:43PM EDT. Added Feb 19, 2012 at 11:27PM EST
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I think Dac is ded.

There was too much Pinkie for him.

EDIT: GAGE PET

Last edited Mar 10, 2012 at 01:44PM EST
Mar 10, 2012 at 01:44PM EST
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I can already smell all the Las Pegasus fanfics.

But I really liked the episode. Sure, the ending was predictable, but it’s a kids show, what else would we expect?

Also, the sneaking bit gave me some serious Metal Gear Solid vibes. I was half expecting someone to yell “WHOSE HOOFPRINTS ARE THESE?”

Mar 10, 2012 at 01:46PM EST
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badsitrep wrote:

Did anyone else think “Where’s Shepherd?” when the cerberus showed up?

opspe and I were discussing Mass Effect right when that scene happened too.
Also, *Shepard

Mar 10, 2012 at 02:03PM EST
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is there a youtube video of the episode out yet?
Edit: ninjaed
Another edit: Really good episode

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Mar 10, 2012 at 02:08PM EST
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Interesting episode. M.A. Larson really is Best Writer (but then again, he gets a lot of good premises…or perhaps he gets the good premises because he’s really good at them.)

But also, the moral was well-taught. Didn’t have a thing to do with friendship, but it’s applicable. And to be honest, there may have been two or more morals. Twilight not worrying about the future, not being able to go back and change the past, what you do now affects what you do in the future…

Mar 10, 2012 at 02:36PM EST
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I really liked this episode it gotten me and my brother to dicsuss time paradoxes and time travel and me and him think it is not time travel and time is just a measurement of progress and you are really going into another universe to talk to your other self.
Also:

^This is me right here when it came to the shipping thread. o.o
So I was prepared to complain about it.

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Mar 10, 2012 at 02:43PM EST
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Payback’s a bitch:

Not so fun on the other end of the gun, now is it?

Mar 10, 2012 at 03:03PM EST
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Alright, before I post my usual ’Algernon’s Post-Episode List of Random Unorganised Bullet Points ©’ :

Please don’t post spoilers for upcoming episodes. One of you posted one a couple of days ago (I forget who it was), and I had to abandon thread for a while to avoid seeing any more of them. So, yeah… don’t do that.

Spoilers and bad quality screenshots ahead


@Episode

I thought that was a pretty damn good episode. I was expecting something Lesson Zero tier, and while it wasn’t quite that good, it was still pretty entertaining from start to finish. I think it moved a little too quickly at the start though. Twilight thought the pony apocalypse was coming, she quickly managed to convince everyone that it was going to happen (srsly, ponies will believe anything. If someone started an argument with “My future-self told me-”, I’d laugh, stop listening, and walk away), and then they all fixed up the entirety of Equestria in a short montage. It was the same when the Cerberus showed up. It was all like:

>“Oh noes, it’s disaster tiem nao!”
[TEN SECONDS LATER]
>“Never mind guise, I finished saving teh wurld again, lol”

Otherwise, it was pretty great. Highlights:


  • Pretty much everything about future Twilight. I wish she had been from an epic pony war in the future though. That would have made quite an interesting episode.
  • Spike being an asshole. It takes skill to be that much of a jerk and still be likeable.
  • Pinkie Pie has gypsy magic? Does this mean ‘Friendship is Witchcraft’ is canon now?

    I laughed pretty hard when that flower pot fell. We need more Pinkie-sense in this show.
  • Everything about that scene in the library with all the telescopes. It was crazy Twilight at her best.
    “So I only had one other choice. MONITOR. EVERYTHING
    “I can sleep all I want after that!”
    The only thing I didn’t like about that scene was this:

    Dammit ponies! I watched this show to avoid special relativity! (seriously though, I was watching this episode instead of doing physics questions on those exact same equations. Weird.)
  • That sneaking scene was pretty funny. Also, I gotta say, Luna’s night guards look far cooler than Celestia’s boring old day guards.

Sure, the ending was predictable, but I suppose that was to be expected. It’s a show for kids, so they couldn’t have had some really convoluted time travel story (though I would have liked that). If it was really complicated, they would have risked confusing the majority of the viewers, so they had to keep it simple. I thought the moral was pretty good too. Worrying about the future too much is something I’m definitely guilty of. Overall, I’ll give that episode 8.5/10.


So, on the topic of SynchTube, can somebody else host it tonight? I’ve got a ton of work to be doing, so I’ll probably be joining late.

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Mar 10, 2012 at 03:18PM EST
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Wild Muumi appears!



Long time no see you guys. Two weeks to be exact. This thread has been quite slow with the migration to Ivan’s board, hasn’t it? Well, at least it’s easier to follow these days…

Sorry I haven’t really participated on the discussion on this fifth thread, but there hasn’t been anything big enough to get me moving. And damn you and your Mass Effect 3! I still haven’t got the chance to start even Mass Effect 2 yet, even though I’ve had it for quite a while already… I’ve been too busy doing nothing to get to it.

But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t have been drawing any ponies! There’s always time for that! I’ve already finished the scetches and lineart of all the eight FiM – Touhou crossover pictures, so there might be a new pic every week for the next two months, if I’m not feeling lazy that is.

Oh, and here’s the newest pic I finished. It’ll be the last humanized pic for now. The next seven pictures are once again going to be ponies, unless there comes a change in plans.



Oh, and I also got interviewed for Obsession is Magic. I was a bit sceptical at first, but then I saw that they had already featured artits like Theartrix, CrappyUnicorn, Gavalanche, Egophiliac, MegaSweet, CSIMadMax, and a bunch of others. Oh, and it seems Huussii got featured too, which is awesome, since he’s a fellow finn.

Anyways, that’s it for now once again. I can’t figure out anything else to say but that todays episode was awesome (but not as good as last weeks ep. though). All the new stuff they provided the fandom with was also great, like Cerberos and gates of Tartarus (hell is now canon!?), two new cities, and the 14th moon (does Luna control other moons too?). That’s gonna make and break a lot of fanfics.

Oh, and Pinkie was hilarious with the balloons! I can’t wait for the .gifs of those scenes.

Well, see ‘ya later. I’m out once again.

Wild Muumi fled!

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Mar 10, 2012 at 03:32PM EST
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I really enjoy today’s episode. The story is good, with many events… I like the fact that Pinkie Pie is one of the main characters during the second half of the episode along with twilight and Spike.

I also noticed that there is an appearance of every main character, and almost every famous background pony. Everyone… but Derpy.

Mar 10, 2012 at 05:27PM EST
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The episode was okay IMO. Not to great, but it had plenty of entertaining scenes. I would act exactly like Twilight in that situation, monitoring everything.

Did anyone notice a difference in AJ’s and RD’s voice acting? They sounded a bit different to me.

I bet I’m going to enjoy the Terminator or Metal Gear crossovers more than the episode.

(I can’t get the Twilight-licious rap out of my head. MAKE IT STOP!)

Mar 10, 2012 at 05:30PM EST
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Caramel wrote:

The episode was okay IMO. Not to great, but it had plenty of entertaining scenes. I would act exactly like Twilight in that situation, monitoring everything.

Did anyone notice a difference in AJ’s and RD’s voice acting? They sounded a bit different to me.

I bet I’m going to enjoy the Terminator or Metal Gear crossovers more than the episode.

(I can’t get the Twilight-licious rap out of my head. MAKE IT STOP!)

I’ve heard about people finding also Twilight’s voice different. I don’t know, I didn’t notice something especially different… Maybe there was a issue or a different setting with sound mixing this time.

Mar 10, 2012 at 05:35PM EST
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Watched the new episode. Check
Spend over 12 minutes watching Twilight-licious. Check.
Got around to making a Engie pic when I first met AppleJack. Check

In my defense I lost enough blood to be legally dead, shot everywhere on my chest and head, burned, and experience any type of pain imagined. Oh I also took a cap of the Engie’s point of view.
I’ll post it later when I’m not watching Twilight-licious.

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Mar 10, 2012 at 05:41PM EST
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Oh good, I’m not the only one who thought everyone sounded funky.

Mar 10, 2012 at 05:42PM EST
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Did anyone notice a difference in AJ’s and RD’s voice acting? They sounded a bit different to me.

RD’s voice sounded a bit lower than normal. Maybe the voice actor just had a cold.

Mar 10, 2012 at 05:50PM EST
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wow, the new episode was like a cool little movie starring Pinkie and Twilight! This sorta thing is why Larson is my favorite writer on the team. And yeah, I figured the impending disaster wouldn’t be about some epic future pony war, but it was fun to have a headcanon for once lol.

Lol Pinkie didn’t help Twilight recalibrate the apertures on those telescopes at all did she.

About the voices, yeah, I thought everyone (except maybe Rarity, I think) was alittle off as well.

also I’d hate to complain but I gotta say, I kinda hate the new 1pm timeslot. When I got the chance (rarely) I would watch livestreams so I wouldn’t have to wait all morning for the new episode to be uploaded, but now it’s like I may as well wait all day for the upload if I have to wait all day for the livestream too lol.

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Mar 10, 2012 at 07:05PM EST
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Finally watched the episode the day it came out!

I finished Putting Your Hoof Down (I watched like half of it last saturday) before this one, and I’ve got to say, this one was great. Predictable? Yes, but it was extremely well written. At first, I was a bit disappointed that she didn’t go Lesson Zero insane, but the writers did an impeccable job here of maintaining Twilight’s signature “go crazy if she doesn’t know what to do” personality, yet not retreading the same stuff. Just goes to show you, the characters in this show actually develop, instead of being the same old same old like every other cartoon today.

I’ve got to say, this is one of my favorite episodes already. The way it developed was beautiful. I’m actually surprised it was written with a little girl audience in mind- Greek mythology? Time travel? Mental breakdowns? Then I realized, it’s FiM.

Haters got nothing on us.

The writing is getting a lot better as Hasbro/Studio B is easing into the right target audience. The first few episodes were definitely a bit painful to watch. Thank Celestia I watched “May the Best Pet Win” first, because otherwise, I wouldn’t have seen what’s so great about this show.


I like how Twilight conveniently forgot that she was the pupil of Celestia for a long time, and that everyone in Canterlot, or at least the library, recognized her. The sneaking around was pointless (same with Rainbow in that episode), but it was entertaining nonetheless.


Yeah, everypony’s voices are a bit off. Methinks that they changed the recording equipment.


@algernon: YOU’RE RIGHT FRIENDSHIP IS WITCHCRAFT IS CANON! Pinkie does have gypsy magic! Time travel is possible! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

Mar 10, 2012 at 07:25PM EST
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All the voices sound fine to me for the most part, though Twilight’s was a bit different at a couple points.

Mar 10, 2012 at 07:35PM EST
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Caramel wrote:

inb4 Fallout Equestria: New Pegasus

Dear God… You’re a genius.

This needs to happen. And the original author needs to write it. I will not be able to die happily until this has been done.

That reminds me, I really should finish reading the original. I only have a couple of chapters to go, but that’s still the equivalent of a short novel.


@voices

I didn’t notice it the first time I watched, but Twilight and Applejack do seem to sound different. Pinkie, Dash and Fluttershy all sound the same though. It really does sound like Tara Strong had a cold while they were recording for this episode.

Mar 10, 2012 at 07:56PM EST
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Found this on DA:

Rule 63 Nightmare Moon. He’s a badass. And if you’re wondering where that NmM RPer has gone to, she’s taking a break from the internets for a while. And she’s waiting for Ivan’s site to open up.

Mar 10, 2012 at 08:15PM EST
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The writing is getting a lot better as Hasbro/Studio B is easing into the right target audience.

I should just quit with that argument with Twins. Logic holds no sway here. But in case someone forgot what I think…we are not the target audience.


However, I will say that Hasbro may come to realize that the success of the show as a show (like Dan Vs.) instead of a show to advertise toys exclusively (like Strawberry Shortcake) may merit its continuation. If Hasbro wants the Hub to stay on the air, then I think FiM is one of its mainstay (if not the mainstay.) It may have new episodes until the show winds itself down (and not when the new line of toys dies down.)

Given that, I will also say that if I ever considered the possibility that episodes are written (more than nods) with the target demographic less in mind, I would think that this was it. However, it’s not there yet. It’s still “e/i” even if the watermark isn’t there, and some of the lines are very much directed to a younger audience.

Mar 10, 2012 at 10:27PM EST
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Algernon wrote:

That reminds me, I really should finish reading the original. I only have a couple of chapters to go, but that’s still the equivalent of a short novel.


>short novel

TV Tropes, if you will?
Doorstopper: Hoo boy. As of its completion, Fallout: Equestria reached approximately 608,000 words – longer than War and Peace (560,000 words) (…) If you had the time, the paper, and the ink, this would literally be a novel, if not several. The author has identified the points where it should be broken to make either a trilogy or a 5-book series.”

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Mar 10, 2012 at 11:00PM EST
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aerolyt wrote:

HOORAY FOR SELF-CREATING TIME PARADOXES.

Totally called it the moment I saw the spoiler

But hey, as we already established in previous posts; we don’t really expect the show to give us unexpected twists anyway. Were not watching Inception or anything. Bet the kids didn’t see it coming though ;D

Adorable episode. We get to see Spike finally, the Ponyville Dam is still canon, Celestia makes a cameo and crazy Twilight returns. Demonic hell-spawn is canon and Fluttershy can still tame them. Nice simple moral: never panic.

Algernon and Twins summed up much of my thoughts on it overall


You know… watching this episode made me realize that some Bronies are like Twilight in this episode while other Bronies are like Spike in this episode:

-Twilight Bronies are very organised, dedicated and involved but fret and panic easily over things, especially concerning the future. They might even rally huge missions over something and lose sleep over it, only to find that there is less of a problem than it seems

-Spike Bronies are more carefree, but will not allow themselves to be bothered by anything, past or future. They only want to enjoy the present. When Twilights panic and stress, the Spikes remain apathetic and go back to sleep. They may even tease Twilights in moments of tension

Concerning this fandom, are you a Spike or a Twilight?

Mar 11, 2012 at 12:55AM EST
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CUTIE MARK CRUSADERS, GREEK-GOD ANNOYERS!

Hades gonna hade…




I only have one question Madame Pinkie, just HOW far into the future can you see?



THAT FAR !?!? HOLY SH*T !



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Mar 11, 2012 at 01:22AM EST
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Verbose wrote:

The writing is getting a lot better as Hasbro/Studio B is easing into the right target audience.

I should just quit with that argument with Twins. Logic holds no sway here. But in case someone forgot what I think…we are not the target audience.


However, I will say that Hasbro may come to realize that the success of the show as a show (like Dan Vs.) instead of a show to advertise toys exclusively (like Strawberry Shortcake) may merit its continuation. If Hasbro wants the Hub to stay on the air, then I think FiM is one of its mainstay (if not the mainstay.) It may have new episodes until the show winds itself down (and not when the new line of toys dies down.)

Given that, I will also say that if I ever considered the possibility that episodes are written (more than nods) with the target demographic less in mind, I would think that this was it. However, it’s not there yet. It’s still “e/i” even if the watermark isn’t there, and some of the lines are very much directed to a younger audience.

What argument? If you mean debate, sure.

By right audience, I mean, they’ve found a midpoint between bronies and little girls. It’s still a little girls targeted show, yes, but the writing level and subject material is way more complex than any other show I see on Nick/CN/Disney/whatever today. The only other show that I can think of like that is Adventure Time, which is pretty overrated in my opinion, but nonetheless, still really good.

With the first few episodes, I feel like Lauren Faust and everyone else were specifically targeting a much less intelligent audience. Nothing stood out. Thankfully they got out of that mindset, and figured out that the show could appeal to a much broader audience. Maybe that’s why Faust left. She created the show, and did a bloody good job at it, but she really thought that perhaps everyone else at Hasbro had better ideas for the direction the show was going. And thankfully, she was right. I know some people were scared that FiM would go the way of Spongebob after Stephen Hillenburg left after the movie. But the episodes just keep getting better.

By easing in I mean they were both aiming too low (first few eps), and too high- the infamous talking derpy scene. I think they’ve found a perfect spot to be in now. I suppose you could call it the Pixar charm, appealing to the young and the old simultaneously. A little reference here and there wouldn’t hurt, and they are doing an impeccable job with these last few episodes.


Hasbro has long realized that MLP is much more than a simple toy selling show. We do have Princess Cadence (sell off those pink Celestias?), but aside from a few missteps, I see MLP to one day be cemented in popular culture like Spongebob, Pokemon, etc.


Sometimes they try too hard to be e/i. Especially in “Feeling Pinkie Keen” and “Baby Cakes”. The moral lessons seemed to be just thrown in there for the sake of e/i, weren’t very relevant to the episode, and didn’t teach anything particularly useful. We aren’t the target audience, and I don’t want us to be.


@Fallout Equestria
600k.
words.
Longer than.
War and Peace.

This fanfic writer has some mad dedication. Makes me both want to and not want to read it at the same time.

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Mar 11, 2012 at 01:43AM EST
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Looking through the image gallery, looks like post-apocalyptic Twilight will be here to stay!

I freaking love all the references people are making

Mar 11, 2012 at 01:45AM EST
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Keep lurkin’, lurkin’, lurkin’,
Though they’re all approvin’,
Keep them ponies coming, Bronies!
Don’t try to analyze ‘em,
Just watch ’em, keep you’re eyes right on ‘em,
Soon we’ll be doubling ALL the fun.
Boy my heart’s excited
My ponies’ll be united, be waiting at the end of the page.

bring ’em in, dress ’em up,
take ’em up, Gif ’em out,
Move ’em on, post ’em here, Bronies!
Set ’em out, ride ’em in
Ride ’em in, let ’em out,
Cut ’em out, ride ’em in Bronies!

lurkin’, lurkin’, lurkin’
lurkin’, lurkin’, lurkin’
lurkin’, lurkin’, lurkin’
lurkin’, lurkin’, lurkin’
Bronies!

Rollin’, rollin’, rollin’
Though the bandwidth is swollen
Keep them memes a-rollin’
Bronies!
Pegasus and Unicorn,
Hell-bent for Alicorns,
Wishin’ my waifu was by my side.
All the things I’m seein’,
trees, books, and chicken’,
Are waiting at the end of the thread

bring ’em in, dress ’em up,
take ’em up, Gif ’em out,
Move ’em on, post ’em here, Bronies!
Set ’em out, ride ’em in
Ride ’em in, let ’em out,
Cut ’em out, ride ’em in Bronies!

Keep lurkin’, lurkin’, lurkin’,
Though time is a-tickin’,
Keep them ponies coming, Bronies!
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just watch ’em, love ’em, post ’em
Soon we’ll be doubling ALL the fun.
Boy my heart’s excited
My ponies’ll be united, waiting at the end of the page.

Bronies!
Bronies!

Mar 11, 2012 at 04:43AM EDT
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It’s 2 in the morning, you know what that means.
Time to stare at these for the next hour.

Mar 11, 2012 at 04:58AM EDT
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I won’t say anything else about the episode IT SUCKED BALLS Nah, I kid. I loved it. It was probably the most basic time travel plot imaginable but it is a show for little girls so that’s to be expected. Putting Back to the Future II levels of paradox would just be OTT.

Also, am I the only one that has noticed something strange about the catsuits the ponies wear?

Here let me illustrate it.

Also…. I pretty much think that even if the rest of the season is crap, Season 2 is already much better than season 1. Anyone agree?

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Mar 11, 2012 at 08:44AM EDT
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burning_phoneix wrote:

I won’t say anything else about the episode IT SUCKED BALLS Nah, I kid. I loved it. It was probably the most basic time travel plot imaginable but it is a show for little girls so that’s to be expected. Putting Back to the Future II levels of paradox would just be OTT.

Also, am I the only one that has noticed something strange about the catsuits the ponies wear?

Here let me illustrate it.

Also…. I pretty much think that even if the rest of the season is crap, Season 2 is already much better than season 1. Anyone agree?

Mar 11, 2012 at 09:34AM EDT
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phoneix wrote:

Also…. I pretty much think that even if the rest of the season is crap, Season 2 is already much better than season 1. Anyone agree?

Small wall of text incoming

Hmm… I’m not sure about that. This may just be nostalgia talking, but I think season 1 had a different feel to it than season 2, and I sorta preferred it in a way. While season 2 has most of my favourite episodes, it also has quite a few episodes that I’m completely indifferent to. I can happily watch and rewatch almost every episode from season 1, with the exception of ‘A Dog and Pony Show’, and ‘The Show Stoppers’. However, in season 2 there are plenty that I enjoyed, but never feel the need to go back to:

  • May the Best Pet Win
  • The Mysterious Mare Do Well
  • Secret of My Excess
  • The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
  • Hearts and Hooves Day
  • The Cutie Pox (ugh…)
  • Putting Your Hoof Down

Now, I’m not saying that they’re bad episodes (I totally am saying that for The Cutie Pox), but I thought that they just didn’t have the same feel to them that a lot of my favourites from season 1 had. I think it was Cite who pointed out that a lot of the episodes in season 2 focus too much on individual characters instead of giving attention to the group as a whole, and some of those episodes are definitely guilty of that. The interactions between members of the mane 6 is one of the best things about this show, so it doesn’t seem right when they focus an entire episode around the actions of just one pony. In season 1 episodes that focused on just one or two members, there was usually some sort of conflict that kept the other members involved (‘Sonic Rainboom’, ‘Fall Weather Friends’, ‘Pinkie Keen’, etc), while in season 2 the writers seem happy to just pick a pony and write the entire episode around them. It works in some occasions, like in ‘Lesson Zero’ or ‘Baby Cakes’, but not so much in others like ‘May the Best Pet Win’.

On the other hand, I can watch the first 5 episodes from Season 2 essentially on repeat (Return of Harmony to Luna Eclipsed). All of them place in my top ten favourites. There are also a few that have really surprised me, such as ‘Sweet and Elite’, ‘Family Appreciation Day’, and ‘The Last Roundup’, and a couple that I knew were going to be great ever since they were announced (‘Read it and Weep’ and ’Hearth’s Warming’). The humour seems to be a bit smarter in season 2, so I think it’s improved in that respect. In general, I’d say that season 1 was much more balanced, while season 2 has a lot of ups and downs. I don’t know which I prefer overall.

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Mar 11, 2012 at 10:25AM EDT
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Chris wrote:

>MFW you post this

Mar 11, 2012 at 11:50AM EDT

Has anyone been following Ask Jappleack over the past few weeks? It’’s been really interesting.

Mar 11, 2012 at 02:25PM EDT
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I’m trying to paste ponies to this thread…. am I doing it right?

Mar 11, 2012 at 02:30PM EDT
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@Dreazie
As long as it’s G3, I’m okay with that.


My Little Kombatant: Fatalities are Magic.

Kano: Derpy
Liu Kang: Twilight
Raiden: Fluttershy
Scorpion: AJ
Sub-Zero: Rarity
Sonya: Pinkie
Johnny Cage: Dash
Reptile: Spike
Ermac: Screwball
Fight!

Mar 11, 2012 at 02:40PM EDT
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i just read just read the cupcakes fan fic.

lets just say the next time i see pinke pie its will be with this

and this

hopefully this

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Mar 11, 2012 at 03:00PM EDT

Hey guys check out what i made in garry’s mod
(warning no story)

Mar 11, 2012 at 04:23PM EDT
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I just visited ThePonyHub again.

I don’t get it. ._.

Mar 11, 2012 at 04:26PM EDT
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Skeletor-sm

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