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KYM Pony General V: We Just Don't Know What Went Wrong

Last posted Jul 01, 2012 at 04:43PM EDT. Added Feb 19, 2012 at 11:27PM EST
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Explosive Lasers AKA Solaire AKA Sexiest wrote:

Well, that tournament on an open server we didn’t own was immensely fun!

Except for me getting the team with unfair disadvantages a lot, but what are you gonna do? I had fun the few rounds I played as Heavy on Hoodoo, mostly because I made the cart the literal rape train.

Now, to get a late-night discussion going:

Where would you place Equestria, generally, on a technological scale, and why it is there. They still have quills, lanterns, and other things from less technologically advanced eras. However, they also have electric ovens, a dam, whatever the fuck the Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 is, and other technology.

I seem to remember Lauren telling somebody that asked that the writers just threw in technology if it’s useful to the plot, or if they’ve used it before. They don’t have a rigid technology line, or something that could resemble a specific era.

Personally, I’d say the peaceful nature of Equestria, the magic it has, and possibly the wildlife, might lead to Equestria being in a more advanced version of the very early 1900s or very late 1800s, with more focus on ‘necessity’ technology, and less labor-saving and war technology. This is caused by their lack of violence and conflict, and the usage of magic to replace labor-saving.

What’s that? I’m over-analyzing something that’s confirmed to not have any truly analyzable material?

You’re damn right I am.

Could magic be bottled and used as a viable substitute for electricity? If such a fantastically wonderful renewable source of energy were available, I think they would have just skipped the Indsutrial Revolution because they had no use for it. The dam wasn’t necessarily used to generate electricity; maybe it was just making a resevoir.

Anyways, I see it as sort of a 1950’s-modern times era, just with no need for a lot of the technologies developed during the period. Remember the 8-bit MLP ad: TVs and video games (at least 8-bit ones) are canon in my books.

EDIT: Fuck, I don’t deserve this page get.

Page get for adventure with a seductive protagonist, even though I know it will come to nothing because Explosive’s discussion is much more interesting!

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Jun 18, 2012 at 12:20AM EDT
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@Explosive
Well, I’d say you’re probably right on target. Seeing how they’ve haven’t had any real armed conflicts, there’s no need to build weapons of war (which explains their apparent lack of firearms so far). I’d say it’s a classic fantasy setting.
They keep it’s medieval-like-fantasy-story-setting with apparent use of cliches from one (A Princess ruling a kingdom; A maginificent palace in the mountains; absolute monarchy; nobility; etc…) but also use things that would appeal or add to it’s magical feel (as you said, a dam, advanced technology, trains; hot air balloons; film cameras, etc.)
So my guess is that you can’t really identify a certain time period (because there references to many), but can assume it’s a fantasy setting with common cartoonish themes.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 12:22AM EDT
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Well, that was fun!
117 points as a medic was quite entertaining.
Not too sure how I pulled that off, but cool nonetheless.
I just stood back and let Tim and RandomMan rip everything apart as heavies.

@On topic discussion
I thought this was a TF2 thread! *gasp

Equestria is just a giant mish-mash of time periods.
Canterlot is classic medieval feudalism, Ponyville looks like a 1800s era village, and they’ve got a little bit of 20th century tech sprinkled on top.
Standard cartoon fare, really.
Just use what’s most interesting/useful.

I still want to know why their scissors have finger holes…

@Blue
Actually, the dam is definitely for electricity.
It has the little power stations down at the base.

Seeing as how Twilight was able to repair it so easily, maybe she built it!
She needs it to power her experiments!

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Jun 18, 2012 at 12:23AM EDT
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Luna’s face when seeing how I play TF2:

I tried. I think I may need a bit more practice, considering this was maybe my third time on that game.


As for the discussion of pony tech…

You know, the one thing I wonder is why the two trains are different. The Ponyville Express (or whatever it’s called) seems to be steam-powered, so why was the Appleoosan train being pulled manually? Was it broken somehow? At first I thought it was because of Faust’s reluctance to use technology that was too advanced, but Feeling Pinkie Keen kind of makes that argument seem unlikely.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 12:29AM EDT
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Well I hope you guys had fun..because with in 5 minutes I was kicked for high ping and was unable to join again because server was full…I RARELY play team fortress 2 and I figured that it would a excellent time to just spend time to actually play with my internet buddies but NNNOOO the damn server didn’t let me in and possibly when it does everybody would have been leaving…fuck it…ima go…

Have something pony related to at least make a attempt to keep thread relevant:

Jun 18, 2012 at 12:29AM EDT
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Just came back from Derpibooru. Many Ponibooru users have migrated there and are currently adjusting to their new home. A bunch of images are being dumped onto the site right now as well. I bet after a few days, many new users will be adjusted to their new home and like it.

Jun 18, 2012 at 12:33AM EDT
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@Ric

Yea I saw that (I was a little too busy being a Scout to reply to you though). I thought you lived in the US though? You should have had the same ping as most everyone else. Yet for some reason you had a rediculous 800 ping.

Me and Randomman live oceans away from the server but we still had a manageable 200-250 ping so it wasn’t distance. Something on your end must have been screwed up. Could have been Steam trying to torrent an update while you are playing or something? Stange


@Riyku

Yes we saw you. You should have said something if you wanted to get noticed though.


@TF2 game

One more thing: Halfway through the game somebody (must have been an admin) renamed me to “red screen (of life)”…who did that? Was that you Tim?


@Discussion

I like to think that ponies are in both an advanced technological state AND a medieval state simultaneously thanks to their differing races

How that works is that Earth Ponies and Pegasi with their limited abilities to manipulate objects are restricted in their ability to handle technology and are stuck using raw materials, simple mechanisms etc and can only construct things of medieval design using medieval equipment.

Unicorns on the other hand, have access to technology far more advanced than what the other races have developed thanks to their magic. They can manipulate objects as good as any human, so their technology developed as fast as our did. This means that Unicorns already have technology such as Electrical appliances, magic-fueled heavy machinery, power tools and instruments

Unicorns are less in number however so when it comes to modernizing entire cities or their whole culture, they just don’t have the horsepower to do it. Cities and communities are still built by the far more common Earth Ponies and Pegasi using their rudimentary ways. This gives you medieval looking castles and villages (made by ponies) that are outfitted with advanced looking modern hardware (supplies by unicorns)

Overall, the pony society is still within a medieval state, hence those castles armored guards, wooden carts and monarchies etc. It’s just that those Unicorns are so good at manipulating objects that their inventions are centuries ahead of the game so this medieval society ended up with some modern tools (futuristic by their own perspective)

…or it’s just because the writers just don’t care about keeping a coherent timeline, that works too

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Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41AM EDT
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Millennial Dan wrote:

Luna’s face when seeing how I play TF2:

I tried. I think I may need a bit more practice, considering this was maybe my third time on that game.


As for the discussion of pony tech…

You know, the one thing I wonder is why the two trains are different. The Ponyville Express (or whatever it’s called) seems to be steam-powered, so why was the Appleoosan train being pulled manually? Was it broken somehow? At first I thought it was because of Faust’s reluctance to use technology that was too advanced, but Feeling Pinkie Keen kind of makes that argument seem unlikely.

You’re lucky I wasn’t on. I would’ve posted sad Luna way before you. I’m terrible.

Anyways, @dam

Those are the magic harvesting stations, silly! They just happened to be built next to a dam because… because.. water… harvests magic quicker!

Jun 18, 2012 at 12:43AM EDT
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@Ric:

Yeah, I noticed that, and I thought it was odd. Nobody else had immensely high Ping, so I’m not sure what the problem was.

@BSoD:

Yeah, it was one of the admins. They were probably just screwing with you, like it seems they’re apt to. I actually kind of like that server, to be honest.

Anyways, I think what people have said regarding the technology seems pretty accurate. There’s really not much to speculate on, since it seems to be the writer’s whim, from what we’ve seen.

As for the scissors with finger holes…

Jun 18, 2012 at 12:47AM EDT
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@Blue Yoshi
So far, so good on Derpibooru.
Takes a little figuring out if you’re used to Ponibooru, but once you get used to it and adjust the settings, it works really well!
Edit (surprisingly accurate!):

@BSoD
Ha!
I assumed you did that because you were on the red team a lot!
I doubt it was Tim, though.
That was just some random server that we mobbed into, so I don’t think any of us had any power.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 12:48AM EDT
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Blue Screen (of Death) wrote:

Awesome TF2 game guys, that was fun. I didn’t think it would work due to my distance but even with 250 ping I still managed to get some good Scout action going on. Somehow managed to get several kills with the baseball

Connor kicks ass. He always seemed to lead the board

I got raped by a single spy every single damn time

Pony sprays were absolutely everywhere

And I laughed so hard when I got that single critrocket quaddruple kill on four of you guys…and then I got a 5th kill with a double critrocket. Really made my day, thank you

The only reason I was ahead was because I was the only one on the cart half the time (as well as being pyro with a mailbox).

You should see me as a spy on the second level of Dustbowl. Getting 12 kills a life consistently is fucking awesome.

Speaking of TF2, if anyone has a name tag I’ll trade you nearly anything for it.


I put the finishing touches on that fic about Nightmare Moon. Link
I’ll get to writing the second part eventually…

Jun 18, 2012 at 12:59AM EDT
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@Deadparrot

Oh right, I forgot we weren’t on Tim’s server. We went to a random one.

So yea, it must have been one of the local admins there. He just felt like renaming me. If I did it, I would have properly capitalized my name

It happened right after Randomman pointed out that that I was the Blue Screen, on Red Team. Apparently the admin decided to fix that


@Connor

Ah yes, I remember now. I even captured a few carts next to you.

You stole a lot of my kills with that mailbox

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Jun 18, 2012 at 01:04AM EDT
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When we were playing TF2 it felt weird because i felt like i was the only one with a Mic. Other than that we need to play some more later. I could use a bit more training as the Demoman. My grenade and sticky skills are getting rusty. But i guess 62 points at the end of the match was good.

@Ric
I noticed you when you came onto the server. In fact i even called out for you when i saw you and i began bothering you afterwards. I was confused why you left after joining for about 5 minutes but i guess that makes sense.

Jun 18, 2012 at 01:07AM EDT

@Pyro

When we were playing TF2 it felt weird because i felt like i was the only one with a Mic.

I think you were. I had my voice chat disabled and my microphone was unplugged. But next time I’ll use the mic

Jun 18, 2012 at 01:12AM EDT
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Explosive Lasers AKA Solaire AKA Sexiest wrote:

Well, that tournament on an open server we didn’t own was immensely fun!

Except for me getting the team with unfair disadvantages a lot, but what are you gonna do? I had fun the few rounds I played as Heavy on Hoodoo, mostly because I made the cart the literal rape train.

Now, to get a late-night discussion going:

Where would you place Equestria, generally, on a technological scale, and why it is there. They still have quills, lanterns, and other things from less technologically advanced eras. However, they also have electric ovens, a dam, whatever the fuck the Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 is, and other technology.

I seem to remember Lauren telling somebody that asked that the writers just threw in technology if it’s useful to the plot, or if they’ve used it before. They don’t have a rigid technology line, or something that could resemble a specific era.

Personally, I’d say the peaceful nature of Equestria, the magic it has, and possibly the wildlife, might lead to Equestria being in a more advanced version of the very early 1900s or very late 1800s, with more focus on ‘necessity’ technology, and less labor-saving and war technology. This is caused by their lack of violence and conflict, and the usage of magic to replace labor-saving.

What’s that? I’m over-analyzing something that’s confirmed to not have any truly analyzable material?

You’re damn right I am.

Trains? Steampunk. Twilight’s Brain analyzing thing? Steampunk. Ovens? Steampunk. Dam? Hydroelectric Steampunk. Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000? Super Steampunk (6000).

EVERYTHING IS STEAMPUNK.

Jun 18, 2012 at 01:22AM EDT
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Baby Dragon was served to me at Medieval Times. I couldn’t help but think that they killed and cooked Spike.

Jun 18, 2012 at 01:35AM EDT
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Twins the Serendipitous Serval wrote:

Trains? Steampunk. Twilight’s Brain analyzing thing? Steampunk. Ovens? Steampunk. Dam? Hydroelectric Steampunk. Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000? Super Steampunk (6000).

EVERYTHING IS STEAMPUNK.

>2012
>Calling something Steampunk
>Isn’t using Victorian fashion
>Doesn’t run on steam
>MFW:

Jun 18, 2012 at 01:43AM EDT
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You know what’s really hilarious? I found that server a couple weeks ago, and I was rather impressed by their custom Canterlot map (which unfortunately we didn’t use today). I was even chatting with an admin when Pyro and the others started joining. I was completely befuddled when I realized the server had been randomly stumbled upon by everyone from here like that. Very amusing indeed.

I think I’ll avoid any more talk of that though, time for a random pony comic.

Jun 18, 2012 at 01:44AM EDT
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Explosive Lasers AKA Solaire AKA Sexiest wrote:

@Ric:

Yeah, I noticed that, and I thought it was odd. Nobody else had immensely high Ping, so I’m not sure what the problem was.

@BSoD:

Yeah, it was one of the admins. They were probably just screwing with you, like it seems they’re apt to. I actually kind of like that server, to be honest.

Anyways, I think what people have said regarding the technology seems pretty accurate. There’s really not much to speculate on, since it seems to be the writer’s whim, from what we’ve seen.

As for the scissors with finger holes…

It’s quite simple actually. You see, it’s quite hard to operate scissors with only one hoof. The two holes are so you can place one hoof in each. Squish together and pull apart.

Not that I know from experience.

Jun 18, 2012 at 03:15AM EDT
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Explosive Lasers AKA Solaire AKA Sexiest wrote:

Well, that tournament on an open server we didn’t own was immensely fun!

Except for me getting the team with unfair disadvantages a lot, but what are you gonna do? I had fun the few rounds I played as Heavy on Hoodoo, mostly because I made the cart the literal rape train.

Now, to get a late-night discussion going:

Where would you place Equestria, generally, on a technological scale, and why it is there. They still have quills, lanterns, and other things from less technologically advanced eras. However, they also have electric ovens, a dam, whatever the fuck the Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 is, and other technology.

I seem to remember Lauren telling somebody that asked that the writers just threw in technology if it’s useful to the plot, or if they’ve used it before. They don’t have a rigid technology line, or something that could resemble a specific era.

Personally, I’d say the peaceful nature of Equestria, the magic it has, and possibly the wildlife, might lead to Equestria being in a more advanced version of the very early 1900s or very late 1800s, with more focus on ‘necessity’ technology, and less labor-saving and war technology. This is caused by their lack of violence and conflict, and the usage of magic to replace labor-saving.

What’s that? I’m over-analyzing something that’s confirmed to not have any truly analyzable material?

You’re damn right I am.

Actually, you can’t place them on a technological “scale” BECAUSE NO SUCH SUCH SCALE EXISTS!

Technology isn’t like what Sim Meier’s Civilization or other games would have you believe, it is not a Tech Tree. Technology is invented when the needs arise for it to be invented and since most of the world is interconnected, technological ideas spread fast and most of the world is on the same level…but what if a part of the world was seperated from the rest….how would technology progress there?

LUCKILY, we have an example in the Aztecs:

When Cortez met the Aztecs it was a schizophrenic technological situation: The Aztecs knew advanced mathematical theory such as the concept of the Zero, but did not understand the wheel. They had architectural marvels that bested many European nations…but did not understand steel. And of course, they did not understand gunpowder….

So where does Equestria sit technologically?

My answer:


BSOD wrote:

Yea I saw that (I was a little too busy being a Scout to reply to you though). I thought you lived in the US though? You should have had the same ping as most everyone else. Yet for some reason you had a rediculous 800 ping.

Me and Randomman live oceans away from the server but we still had a manageable 200-250 ping so it wasn’t distance. Something on your end must have been screwed up. Could have been Steam trying to torrent an update while you are playing or something? Stange

Steam does not download anything while a game is active.

Also…you and random could play? Huh….I might try to join you guys next time then considering you live in Napier and I’m in Auckland.

Jun 18, 2012 at 04:16AM EDT
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Swichblade wrote:

Baby Dragon was served to me at Medieval Times. I couldn’t help but think that they killed and cooked Spike.

god your Medieval Times sounds way better then mine

Jun 18, 2012 at 07:44AM EDT
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UnderWaterTree wrote:

god your Medieval Times sounds way better then mine

>Capitalizes “Medieval Times”
>Doesn’t capitalize “god” at the beginning of the sentence.


ITT: The point at which proper grammar ends and the hatred of religion begins.

Granted, that was probably a typo, but being religious (and very annoyed with all of the TF2 talk from before,) it stuck out to me.

Before I go to work, why do bronies (or many people within Web culture) dislike religion so much? One, the comparison of bronies from EqD who aren’t affiliated with a religion with those in the US population who aren’t affiliated with a religion. There is a huge difference with bronies having a majority (over 50% between Atheists and Agnostics) of those and Americans only having 7% of those not affiliated with a faith.

Two, anecdotally, I find people on the Internet to be much more strongly opposed to faith. I haven’t run across many Atheists IRL who speak so poorly of religion. They simply don’t believe religion offers what they need in terms of life meaning or philosophy.
 
So why is that? I have my thoughts. Some may be a little insulting. But I can’t remember if we’ve had that discussion with the current thread goers.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 08:34AM EDT


Cute Fluttershy. Just because.

@Verbose

Hey, you’ve returned to us at last. Granted, it was only a few days, but I still wondered.

By the way, I’m not surprised that you would say that about the TF2 chatter, I think it’s obvious we overdid it a bit. If there’s not already some kind of steam group or something where we can coordinate those sorts of things more freely, someone should probably get on that.


As for the question of beliefs, I’m still not convinced that the atheist brony count is really that high, but if it really is, that would certainly have to be because of what you said before about bronies largely coming from a population of preexisting habitual web users.

Now, if you’re asking why many of those users are overtly against various forms of religion, you must realize you’re opening up quite a Pandora’s Box here. There are countless arguments and counter-arguments related to this subject, and online this topic always seems to involve a little (or a lot) of verbal mudslinging. I don’t mean to imply that anyone here can’t handle such a discussion maturely, but I do wonder if anything good can possibly come of it.

If you were to isolate the question of why some people online are so outspoken with their anti-religious sentiment, that is obviously a simple matter of internet anonymity. But the reasons behind their underlying animosity are varied, not to mention highly volatile.

This is something I’d definitely approach with caution myself, but I must confess I am curious what your thoughts are on the matter.

One thing’s for sure: if we do establish that the brony view on the subject is merely a byproduct of their web-culture mindset, then in order to explore the topic any further, we’ll essentially have to delve into discussing the entire population of web lurkers; to say that’s a complex undertaking would be a massive understatement. Anyone who tries to explain such a population in a few short paragraphs risks being guilty of gross over-simplification, don’t you think?

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Jun 18, 2012 at 09:19AM EDT
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@Verbose

I have a very simple conclusion on all of that. Let it be fandoms, communities, sites, religion, movements, anything. I don’t hate Jesus, just some of his fans. Same as I don’t hate 9gag, just some of its members. I think this applies to most people here. I’m not always as proud on bronies either, as they often tend to overreact to stuff. But bronies aren’t unique in this, the Homestuck fandom often has this as well. But it’s not a reason for me to hate the entire fandom, just those few that jump out and get butthurt over every small thing.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 09:21AM EDT
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@Verbose
Perhaps some have simply found a new god!

In reality, the anti-religious stuff you see is likely just a combination of youth and anonymity.
People tend to get more religious as they get older (not to mention the growing number of atheists/agnostics in society anyway) so the fact that we are mostly in our teens and twenties makes religious animosity more likely.
That, coupled with an anonymous platform to speak from with few, if any, repercussions, will always lead to a general amplifying and polarization of opinions.
I don’t think we should get too far into the debate of why all this happens because this isn’t really the place for it, but those are the basics as I see them.

Jun 18, 2012 at 09:31AM EDT
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@Phoneix

Good point. Although I think my theory on the subject was more creative, yours is very logical.

There’s no rule anywhere that technology of separate fields must advance in parallel with technology in other fields.

It could well be that Ponies have a use for hydro-electric dams but not for the purpose of powering homes. It could also be that while they understand construction with heavy machinery, they don’t yet understand city architecture.

They also discovered flash photography because not everyone can just use magic for their still portraits but at the same time they have not invented private cars because they are horses, they ARE their own vehicle.

They have a purposes for some inventions but not others and that may be the root cause of why their technology seems so inconsistent compared to our own. It makes sense


@Verbose

Were bringing religion into this now? We must be bored or something.

Doesn’t capitalize “god” at the beginning of the sentence.

Just to offer a differing perspective here. I see ‘God’ and ‘god’ as separate things. One is a deity, the other is just an expletive. I like to think God either understands or doesn’t really care about that

Before I go to work, why do bronies (or many people within Web culture) dislike religion so much?

I’m sure you know the answer. The lack of faith in the fandom is not a Brony related trait anywhere in the slightest. It’s simply a result of the fandom being internet based.

The internet in general is dominated by Athiest culture. Any fandoms that spawn from it inherit that godlessness by default simply because of the probability involved.

-Religiously devout are less likely to be regular internet users. Reasons why vary from person to person and I wont go into detail.
-Thus internet users randomly found on the internet are likelier to be an Athiest
-Internet users are also likelier to become Bronies
-Thus bronies are likelier to be Athiests. Simple logic

Also I really don’t trust statistics on the number of those who claim to be religious that come from IRL surveys and censuses. I find that people IRL are more likely to lie about being religious just to get in on whatever good image it may give them. But they are more open about thier true thoughts on the matter on the internet so the internet sounds more vocally Athiest compared to IRL examples.

I’ve even caught myself doing that. To be honest to you guys I would consider myself an pseudo-christian agnostic theist (or just plain agnostic with Christian influences) but to people in real life I’ve often called myself a non-denominational Christian. Why do I do this?

But I can’t remember if we’ve had that discussion with the current thread goers.

We might have talked about this before actually in a previous PG thread. Maybe.

Jun 18, 2012 at 09:42AM EDT
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@Verbose
IRL I am a Christian (more specifically, a Roman Catholic). Which is why I have such a moral standpoint on certain things, was reluctant on that sexuality thing a while back, and try to censor myself as best I can if I’m either angry or jokingly. Though meme pics and reaction vids may have swearing, you’d be surprised how little I do those things irl.
Why I don’t bring it up much is because of the amount of atheists on the internet, especially ones who are really hateful of religion. It’s sad that it gets to the point of not bothering anymore, but it does.
I think if there’s a problem with anti-religion sentiment in a community like ours, it’s more related to modern culture. Ever since the Enlightenment there have been chalenges to Christian (more specifically Catholic) ideas and alternatives to the concept of God than before, due to scientific discoveries. Though none could fully discredit the existence of God, it managed to convince a lot of people to give up on religion. Soon, many vices that were strictly prohibited under a Catholic/Christian Europe slowly started to come up as tolerable, due to simple moral rebellion by the people. Especially within the last twenty or so years with the concept of YOLO (in all reality, a very un-religious ethic) and the thought of living life without consequence, the latter being an important factor, as people today want to do what they want without being told otherwise. Sex, drugs, and alcohol are more abused than ever.
This transfered over to the brony community especially, one founded online where many of the un-religious people dwell (cough, 4chan, cough). Therefore, that is why the number seems to be so high. Though you can find religious bronies, many will probably remain silent on the matter unless something that really gets them comes up.

EDIT- yeah, it may seem weird for me to like a changling queen, but…
I don’t know. In art, she’s beautiful:

EDIT- @Fridge
Though “This Day” was an excellent song, we’ve gotta know that we aren’t the only show on the planet. I would like to see which song from Penguins won so as to decide for myself.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 09:46AM EDT
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Remember how we have said numerous times in the past that adding clothing to a pony can work sexually stimulating when put in the correct context, simply because ponies don’t usually wear clothing. I think this comic hits the nail on the head with a f*cking Mjolnir.


@Dan (below me)

True, but the funny thing is that this is the common reaction with bronies. Add clothing and you suddenly have wingboners everywhere.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 09:51AM EDT
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On the contrary, they’re BOTH pretty saucy, if you ask me. Did you notice that most of the time, when an artist draws lingerie on a pony, they also tend to be in a suggestive position anyway? And besides, underwear reminds us of what’s beneath the detail level, after all.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 09:52AM EDT
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“Friendship is Magic loses to Penguins of Madagascar On Daytime Emmy Awards for Best Original Song.”

SERIOUSLY?!?!

We lost to the FUCKING PENGUINS?!

I swear to every God available, if we get snubbed next year, I will go on some sort of rampage. They can’t possible deny “Smile Smile Smile” or “This Day” an award.

Jun 18, 2012 at 10:05AM EDT
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Fridge wrote:

“Friendship is Magic loses to Penguins of Madagascar On Daytime Emmy Awards for Best Original Song.”

SERIOUSLY?!?!

We lost to the FUCKING PENGUINS?!

I swear to every God available, if we get snubbed next year, I will go on some sort of rampage. They can’t possible deny “Smile Smile Smile” or “This Day” an award.

>Award worthy songs.
>Not mentioning Rarity songs.

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Jun 18, 2012 at 10:11AM EDT
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PopperFett the Mandalore wrote:


Anyone seen this?

Yeah, I remember that from a long time ago!
I love her reaction when they crash!
Same animator as this:

Jun 18, 2012 at 11:05AM EDT
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@Religion:

I think it’s a bit more complicated than a few paragraphs can explain, at least while being accurate.

IRL, I’m agnostic in the sense that I don’t care, because I believe in the part of Christianity that implies Jesus loves anybody that acts as he would. That’s part of my family’s influence, I guess. I also tend to find a lot of the Christians I know and have met over the years think the same way, and that they don’t really mind if you’re not Christian if you act kind.

But, then we have the internet, with its anonymity and ability to shout louder than RL. This leads not only to the atheists there being more open about their religious stance, but also leads them to be more vocal about it. That is, they’re more likely to admit they’re atheist, and they’re more likely to talk about it. This is made more severe in that the very loud extreme minority of Christianity is somewhat easy to find on the internet, because they tend to be the ones that talk about it most often.

I tend to find the Christians that people say are retarded are extremely rare. By that, I mean I’ve never met one IRL. This can’t be accurately represented on the internet, where religion is a bad thing to bring up. Many Christians realize that, and respectfully avoid sparking a debate, whereas the ‘other’ Christians jump on the opportunity, painting others in a bad light.

As for why atheists are more common on the internet, I think it’s a mix of anonymity, the general attitude of the internet, a hive-mind, and some amount of disdain for the aforementioned ‘other’ Christians. The anonymity leads more people to be open about their religious standpoint, so you have more people openly admitting they are atheists. The general attitude of the internet has proven to be generally less conservative, more scientific, more logical, and less faithful to a religion. This is due in part to the hive-mind, where religion has grown as something to insult on many sites with less-than-average moral standards, such as 4chan.

The internet also has a lot of teenagers and college students, who tend to be the rebellious types that don’t want to submit to authority. One massive authority in life is religion, so it seems simple for a younger person to rebel against it.

@Popper:

Really?

Celestia looks beautiful in humanized art (bring up Joseco and I will kick you in the head) and she isn’t a soul-sucking succubus from a hive of monsters.

Just sayin’. Just Super Saiyan.

@Random:

I think we all know the cause, what with leaving stuff to the imagination.

I still find it odd how pics with ponies in clothing got downvoted. THEY’RE MAKING IT LESS SAUCY, YOU FOOLS!

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Verbose wrote:

Before I go to work, why do bronies (or many people within Web culture) dislike religion so much? One, the comparison of bronies from EqD who aren’t affiliated with a religion with those in the US population who aren’t affiliated with a religion. There is a huge difference with bronies having a majority (over 50% between Atheists and Agnostics) of those and Americans only having 7% of those not affiliated with a faith.

Two, anecdotally, I find people on the Internet to be much more strongly opposed to faith. I haven’t run across many Atheists IRL who speak so poorly of religion. They simply don’t believe religion offers what they need in terms of life meaning or philosophy.


For the first point, I think most of us agree that a lack of religion isn’t a unique trait of the brony community, but can actually be explained by a lack of religion across the internet in general. I can think of a few reasons for this:

  • Most people who use the internet for things like 4chan, reddit, memes or fandoms are of a fairly young age, and atheism is much more commonly found in teenagers or people in college than in older people. I think that’s because religion had much more influence in Western culture while the older generations were growing up, and because atheism was despised even more than than it is currently. Recent cultural trends have diminished both of these factors, so today’s youth is more likely to question their beliefs and deconvert.
  • The internet does not consist entirely of Americans. While the US is still heavily influenced by Christianity, the UK and (to my knowledge) most of Western Europe has recently become very secular. As we Europeans also participate in internet culture, we increase the amount of atheism found throughout the internet. Apparently only around a third of people in the UK actually believe in a god.
  • This one’s a little controversial, but I can back it up with statistics, so bear with me here. People who spend a lot of time using the internet are more likely to be intelligent, and more intelligent people are less likely to be religious. This page shows a graph of IQ versus religiosity by country, and you’ll see that the US is actually an anomaly in that it’s both smart and religious.

The ideals of the brony community may also contribute to this somewhat. Bronies are mostly young adult males who watch a show intended for little girls, so we don’t exactly fit in with mainstream society. We’re all capable of rejecting an idea accepted by millions for the sake of our enjoyment, so maybe we have a higher tendency to reject other ideals in society, religion included.

For the second point, I refer you to the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory:

The internet seems to bring out the bad in a lot of people, and people who would normally be very reserved may suddenly become abusive once given anonymity. The internet allows people to reveal their true thoughts on such issues without consequence, while if you tried something like that IRL you’d look like a total dick. Some religious people can be very uptight, and are very easily offended by even the slightest suggestion that you disagree with their faith, so atheists are less likely to show their true colours in public. I know this because I do it myself. I’m nowhere near as tolerant as my friends think I am, but if I told them my true thoughts on some of their religious beliefs they’d probably stop talking to me.

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@Verbose

You’re right in that we overdid the TF2 chatter. I set up a chat sometime later, but even the whole “that was fun” ordeal was uncalled for. At the very least, add an image or something to your post. I don’t want the thread to get locked.

And with regards to the religion thing, BSoD and Algernon nailed it. The internet in general is just against religion.

Though I wonder where you’ve seen this anti-religious sentiment from bronies. I’m a Christian myself, and I have never seen any brony speak against religion during my time in the fandom. Granted, I usually stay away from threads and sites where religious flamewars are bound to begin.


I think it’s obvious we overdid it a bit. If there’s not already some kind of steam group or something where we can coordinate those sorts of things more freely, someone should probably get on that.

We do.

I have no idea if it’s still used or not though. It also has former members of the thread on it as well. I’m not a member myself because, as I’ve said, I prefer to keep my “broniness” hidden.


@Ponies with clothes

This has been said numerous times, but it’s because the ponies are always naked. By adding clothes, it is adding the suggestion that they are hiding genitalia.


Now that I’ve added to thread, I’ll go out of the way and say that I enjoyed our TF2 match thoroughly. It lagged quite a bit, but I was exceptionally happy that I could finally play something other than medic (btw, DeadParrot is an excellent one at that). It frustrates me to no end how much I’ve played that class solely because someone needs to and no one else will.

Also, the people not from the thread were quite enjoyable to play with as well.

That is all.


Pop quiz time!

Here’s a hint: “none of the above” is not an answer.

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I KNEW IT. I FOUND A CHARRED RARITY BLIND BAG AMONG THE ASHES OF THE LAST SPY I BURNED.

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Muffins wrote:

I prefer to keep my “broniness” hidden.

Same here, to a degree.
I have never ‘come out of the stable’ as it were to anyone that I know in real life, though I haven’t exactly been actively hiding it either.
I haven’t ever felt a compulsion to bring it up myself, but my Steam avatar and spray are Scootaloos, my laptop’s background in all pony all the time, and I am always on these sites.
I find it hard to believe that none of my friends of family has seen any of this, yet they have never said anything about it.
I’m not sure if this means that they’re fine with it or if nobody gives a crap about what I do.
Then again, all my activity has been relatively subtle up to this point.
Let’s see what happens when my plushies show up soon…

Anyone else have any fun real life stories of broniness?

@TF2
Thanks for the medic praise.
I’ve always been better at team support than actual fighting for whatever reason.
People really underestimate the value of a medic that knows what they’re doing.

@Best pony

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@DeadParrot: I am not worthy of your great Medic skills, master. Teach me your ways.

@Hiding that I’m a brony: Everyone that I know already knows that I’m a brony, and that’s because I’m already a social outcast in my town. I also don’t really care what people think about me.

@Humanized ponies: I quite enjoy humanization’s. I’ve also noticed that not a lot of bronies like them. I don’t really get why people don’t like them. To each man his own.

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Admit it, Pyro. You want this so badly.

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Back Later wrote:


Admit it, Pyro. You want this so badly.

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RandomMan wrote:

>Award worthy songs.
>Not mentioning Rarity songs.

Pretty sure that and “Find a Pet” were the ones that lost.

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Back Later wrote:


Admit it, Pyro. You want this so badly.

What? That’s ridiculous, I don’t have any sort of wingboner right now:

Arg, I give. I lied.

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@Nightmare
Meanwhile, at P-O-P-P-E-R-F-E-T-T control center:

Scotty: Ehhh…is she serious?
Kirk: What do you think McCoy?
McCoy: I am not saying anything.
Kirk: Hmmm…what about you Spock?
Spock: I find the theory that Pyro would like that to be quite logical.
Kirk: Alright…back to you Scotty…
Scotty: Not sure if want…


I’m going to get out of here before I start liking any of this…

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This been posted yet.

…Kind of want to see one of those with Gabe and “Episode 3” now.

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It’s a damn shame that MLP lost. It would have been okay if the series it lost seemed a tad more credible, but I’m not sure why it did so to… Penguins… it’s such a stale show…

Also, any speculations on Season 3? (Other than Baloney’s teasing)

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Religion, eh?

I’ll preface this by saying I’m an agnostic, but believe that most religions are complete bunk. In other words, I’m open to the idea of the divine, but think most of the existing “theories” on the subject are bullshit.

If you ask me, religions are just convenient, ready-made world-view packages. That, in and of itself, is not a bad thing by any means. After all, the world (and by extension, the universe) is an incredibly complicated place and trying to understand the full complexity of its vastness is not something most minds are equipped for, so it helps to have something to fill out the gaps in understanding. Unfortunately, in our mad lust for knowledge, we’ve resorted to oversimplification and downright fabrication to fulfill our insatiable curiosity.

See, most religions started out small and simple. Some wise words and a few inspirational figures, that sort of thing. Then said figures passed on, and their followers spread the words they spoke. Unfortunately, few people have perfect memory, so all of those things are distorted as they pass form mouth to mouth. The problem is further compounded by the fact that in the past, documentation wasn’t commonplace and what little there was could be lost so very easily, due to one thing or another. And so, this large-scale game of chinese whispers goes on until someone finally decides to gather a full compendium of the teachings. Unfortunately, the task is often far too great for the scope and span of a single man, so there is yet further distortion as there is a great deal of confusion and disagreement on the source material and its intentions. It doesn’t help much that most are inclined to use such an opportunity to drive their own ambitions forward.

So when that holy tome is finally assembled, very little of the source material remains intact and is buried under massive amounts of fluff, which is often extremely self-contradictory and inconsistent. Of course, the authors never include any sort of list of reference (as that would require a tome of its own, and be an impossibility besides), instead opting for something like “these words are directly from (the) god(s)”.

You’ll notice I’ve worked from the standpoint that religions have no divine inspiration. Well, that’s not entirely true, I’ve worked from the standpoint that the people who assembled the teachings had no divine inspiration. Perhaps the original prophets did, but they too were simple mortals in the end, despite what the myths surrounding them say, and had no hand in the final draft. And many along the long line had motives of their own, twisting the words to suit their needs, so there is nothing that can be trusted. And, of course, there is the problem of knowing which inspiration is “divine” and which is “mundane”. Who’s to say the prophet speaks with the voice of the lord? Who’s to say the ones believing him are misguided? Who’s to say the doubters are wrong?

And the troubled conception of a holy tome is not the only problem here. Once it has the book(s) as a focal point, the religion becomes a monolithic institution which seeks to preserve and, usually, spread the teachings at any cost. Unfortunately, we humans can’t be trusted to perform such acts admirably. Those who guard the teachings will find it tempting to put their own spin on it, knowing their words carry much weight, and those who spread the teachings will find it tempting to offer the unbelievers two choices: join or die. And, of course, even the believers themselves cannot maintain only one interpretation of the teachings for long. Eventually, the differences grow too great and a schism occurs, shattering one institution into many, which are rarely amicable towards each other.

It may seem that I’m very opposed to religion. Well, that would mostly be true, but not because I dislike the idea of belief, I simply have a problem with many of the teachings and the institutions that perpetuate them. To put it another way, it’s fine if you believe that some metaphysical being watches over you, but if you believe people of a certain type have no right to live, I hope you won’t have a problem with the next sound you hear being the thump of your severed cranium hitting the floor. Yes, I realize that’s highly hypocritical of me, but I’ve always been a fan of poetic justice.

There’s also the fact that I believe religion no longer serves it’s intended purpose, i.e. to explain the unexplainable. Or, at the very least, better alternatives now exist, with various ideologies and the scientific method gaining popularity. We only cling to our old beliefs because we are taught to do so by the monolithic temples and preachers that still hold sway in many matters they should never even have had influence over to begin with. And, as with any cornered beast, they do their damnedest to regain the upper hand, pressuring their followers to believe harder and shun all who reject their ideas.

So what’s the relevance of this spiel of mine to the bronies’ stance? Well, not much, really, since folks here pretty much said all there is to that. Just thought I’d provide my own musings on the subject, since I’ve done some thinking on it. And hell, I just spent a good couple of hours writing this, might as well post it.

Oh, and the various possibly-existing deities? This here song neatly encapsulates up my views on them.

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Because she won JJ’s “Which button should I make next” poll. Pity he isn’t making too many.
Dammit, there goes my chances of getting one.

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