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KYM Pony General VI: Return of the Poni

Last posted Apr 19, 2013 at 12:20AM EDT. Added Jul 01, 2012 at 04:43PM EDT
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I don’t really see how expanding the farm and getting hired help would make for a good episode, but I guess it’s a more practical way of looking at the Apple Family situation.

I just really like the idea of AJ working to inherit the farm, because while she is a dependable pony, we haven’t seen her show leadership skills as of yet (except for when she’s herding animals). And inheriting a business would be a lot of responsibility and require good leadership skills, which would be good lessons to teach kids. I think AJ needs more room to shine

I really like Lunar Protege’s idea of her being a workaholic, because that also makes sense with her character.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I have Applejack fanart to make.

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Apr 03, 2013 at 05:35PM EDT
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@Lunar

. . . so she can realize that it’s not her job that defines her.

Woah there buddy, you’re flying right in the face of canon with that statement! It’s her D̤̥̫̟̗͇̓͋ͨ̉̆̊́̀̚͡ͅE̴̳̫ͯͭ̾ͅS͕͚͙͔̹̣̯̃͑̉ͦ̎͞T̷̟͉̺͎͍͍͖͊͛̈́̒ͯ͢͜I̧͚͖̱͉̽̂̏ͮ̈́͂Ṉ̲̗̝͎̇̽̊͊̔ͪ̓͐ͅY̩̘̖͈̮̙͈̞͋̏̅͑, remember?

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Apr 03, 2013 at 05:52PM EDT
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@Deadparrot

And of course I looked up the lyrics as soon as you said they were terrible and…

Oh my God, that was hilariously bad. This really is the song that keeps on giving.

Apr 03, 2013 at 07:52PM EDT
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Dude I just had an epiphany at work today. If what Tara Strong says is true about how she does a ‘licious’ thing for almost all of her characters does that mean for her character Dil on Rugrats she had a Dil -licious? ………………………………………………………….Thank you thank you I’ll be here all week.

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Apr 03, 2013 at 08:34PM EDT
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Millennial Dan wrote:

@Lunar

. . . so she can realize that it’s not her job that defines her.

Woah there buddy, you’re flying right in the face of canon with that statement! It’s her D̤̥̫̟̗͇̓͋ͨ̉̆̊́̀̚͡ͅE̴̳̫ͯͭ̾ͅS͕͚͙͔̹̣̯̃͑̉ͦ̎͞T̷̟͉̺͎͍͍͖͊͛̈́̒ͯ͢͜I̧͚͖̱͉̽̂̏ͮ̈́͂Ṉ̲̗̝͎̇̽̊͊̔ͪ̓͐ͅY̩̘̖͈̮̙͈̞͋̏̅͑, remember?

So I bent ONE rule. Okay, but question… Is “Destiny” the only factor in a being’s Identity?

Not really, one’s destiny is meant to be wielded to achieve what you really want out of life.

Yes, Applejack’s destiny is to be a farmer, but she uses that to help her family, support the town, and treat her friends to things like her surplus Cider.

When acting out her destiny causes her too much stress, or it impacts badly on her friends, maybe she can stand to put her destiny on hold.

Destiny, if it’s condensed into something as simple as a cutie mark is all about how her life impacts their reality. Not necessarily her values, or what is really important to her.

Yes, Destiny is a large factor in who she is. But hardly the only, or most important.

…Especially when Applejack is hardly the same as any pony that may share her cutie mark.

OKAY STOP! We’re getting too philosophical here!

Apr 03, 2013 at 09:01PM EDT
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Frankly, I would have loved it if somewhere along the way they had pointed out that Sweet Apple Acres could burn to the ground, Carousel Boutique could go out of business, heck, Dash could even stop being fast, and they would still be no less than they are now; valuable and unique individuals. Unfortunately, the show seems entrenched in this whole career=destiny=identity stuff.

Apr 03, 2013 at 09:12PM EDT
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My Little Sweethearts is back.

For those unsure what it is, it is an artbook featuring humanized MLP characters in, well, saucy postures. The proceeds from the book go towards the Lung Cancer Alliance.

http://mylittlesweetheartbook.blogspot.com/?zx=bed6e777e2a9447b

Apr 04, 2013 at 12:41AM EDT
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FallenEvna55 wrote:

My Little Sweethearts is back.

For those unsure what it is, it is an artbook featuring humanized MLP characters in, well, saucy postures. The proceeds from the book go towards the Lung Cancer Alliance.

http://mylittlesweetheartbook.blogspot.com/?zx=bed6e777e2a9447b

I…uh…I’m honestly not sure if I can fap to this…?

Apr 04, 2013 at 10:07AM EDT
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FallenEvna55 wrote:

My Little Sweethearts is back.

For those unsure what it is, it is an artbook featuring humanized MLP characters in, well, saucy postures. The proceeds from the book go towards the Lung Cancer Alliance.

http://mylittlesweetheartbook.blogspot.com/?zx=bed6e777e2a9447b

Using eroticism to fight cancer.

Apr 04, 2013 at 10:37AM EDT
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RandomMan wrote:

Using eroticism to fight cancer.


“I’M CURING CANCER! GET OUT!”

Apr 04, 2013 at 12:17PM EDT
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@Jobs = Destiny
~But it’s what my cutie mark is telling meeeee!!!!~~~~~~

And now that I’ve planted that little earworm in everyone’s heads, it’s time to go back to legitimate schoolwork. Ugh, exams…

Apr 04, 2013 at 12:49PM EDT
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RandomMan wrote:

Using eroticism to fight cancer.

But, wait…I thought that pony porn was cancer?

I’m confused.

Apr 04, 2013 at 02:05PM EDT
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HERE IN TIME FOR APPLEJACK DISCUSSION!

I think AJ is hard to write for because she’s already gained the perfect combination of Honesty(s2e14), Kindness(s1e07), Laughter(s1e08), Generosity(s1e04), and Loyalty(s2e15).

THERE’S ONLY ONE THING LEFT TO LEARN!

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Apr 04, 2013 at 02:32PM EDT
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@Applejack
I’d consider taking over, running, and expanding Sweet Apple Acres (and its business prospects) is a reasonable goal that could definitely make for some good AJ episodes.
(I like Lunar’s idea of having her learn to relax sometimes. It might come across a little to similar to Applebuck Season on the surface, but it could be done well.)

I also read a fic a long time ago that I still think would make an excellent, if slightly cliche (No more than many other episodes though), episode.
You can read it here if you want to (AH AIN’T GOT NO ACK-CENT), but I’m going to spoil it now if you don’t.

Basically, AJ finally got herself invited to a big business expo in the city where she would be able to advertise her products in entirely new markets and potentially increase her business considerably.
Rarity ends up convincing her that city ponies would never take her seriously if she showed up to the event in her work clothes and spoke with such a ‘country’ accent.
Rarity cleans her up and AJ puts on her best high-class voice (with a nice callback to her accent when she stayed with the Oranges as a filly) and the two of them go to the expo.
She makes some good sales which seems to confirm Rarity’s methods, but eventually, AJ’s tremendous uneasiness with being phoney (Element of Honesty) causes her to very publicly admit that she’s been faking her personality and accent in the pursuit of profit and that she wants to come clean.
Turns out that nearly all of the other merchants there had done the exact same thing.
Everyone proceeds to drop the acts and she makes a lot more business contacts and genuine friends in the end.
Cue letter about ‘being true to yourself, etc.’

Overall, a very nice, character-driven episode that lets AJ show that she still has goals to obtain and insecurities to work through.


@Dan
Except for a couple examples (like MMC, but that was a weird episode anyway), I’ve always thought of the ‘career=destiny=identity stuff’ as exactly the opposite.
It isn’t the ponies’ careers that determine their identities, but their identities that determine their career.
Rarity loves making dresses so she made Carousel Boutique, AJ loves farming so she works on her family farm, but neither of these define them.
Both places could easily burn to the ground, but Rarity and AJ would wind up rebuilding them (or something similar) because they are truly passionate about what they do.
Dash wants to be a Wonderbolt because she loves speed and performance.
If she couldn’t fly anymore it would absolutely effect her personality, but as she is, she still feels like an individual in pursuit of a dream.
Heck, Pinkie and Fluttershy basically have no career prospects to define themselves by.
They just do what they love.
It’s something that I think the show needs to define a little more clearly in terms of how cutie marks work, but I think it’s pretty clear that a pony’s personality and interests are the driving force behind their ‘destinies.’


For people who don’t want to read all that, have some more ponies fighting Changelings!
(Same guy who made that kick-ass Octavia video on the last page.)

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Apr 04, 2013 at 02:46PM EDT
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Serious Business wrote:


HERE IN TIME FOR APPLEJACK DISCUSSION!

I think AJ is hard to write for because she’s already gained the perfect combination of Honesty(s2e14), Kindness(s1e07), Laughter(s1e08), Generosity(s1e04), and Loyalty(s2e15).

THERE’S ONLY ONE THING LEFT TO LEARN!

Indeed… But may I ask how she learns that?

Besides the fact that The remaining element is implied to translate to leadership… Not really sure how without her becoming a Unicorn first.

Or… Maybe she just needs a freaking wand. Popular head-canon is that even earth ponies could learn how to harness their latent magic if they had a wand.

Still, I’m somewhat insulted that Applejack will become an Alicorn before the Pink-sia!

For in the great Pink prophecy, it is said she will move great masses of rock from one place to another to create Equestria, and keeps spirits up while her Pimps are in the crib by dropping it like its hot!

…And there will be much merriment!

Apr 04, 2013 at 02:51PM EDT
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Here is a image to make this post relevant:

And here is something unrelevent:

(Well unrelevant to the AJ topic).

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Apr 04, 2013 at 03:05PM EDT
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@DeadParrot

Well-put. And you know, that’s always how I saw it too, until a certain coronation episode came along. That story made them all seem like sad little drones who didn’t know any better than to accept their assigned “destiny” and try to make it work, even if they hated it or sucked at it. Guess that’s still getting under my skin a bit. Maybe I should just pretend it doesn’t exist or something, heh.

@Lunar

Have you noticed that earth ponies have already shown that they can use a wide variety of magical forms in the show? The Elements of Harmony, the Crystal Heart, the Mirror Pool, even Star Swirl’s journal all seem to be able to function just fine without the need for a unicorn.

Have some Wolfjack.

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Apr 04, 2013 at 03:10PM EDT
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Kris wrote:

But, wait…I thought that pony porn was cancer?

I’m confused.

Apr 04, 2013 at 03:10PM EDT
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Millennial Dan wrote:

@DeadParrot

Well-put. And you know, that’s always how I saw it too, until a certain coronation episode came along. That story made them all seem like sad little drones who didn’t know any better than to accept their assigned “destiny” and try to make it work, even if they hated it or sucked at it. Guess that’s still getting under my skin a bit. Maybe I should just pretend it doesn’t exist or something, heh.

@Lunar

Have you noticed that earth ponies have already shown that they can use a wide variety of magical forms in the show? The Elements of Harmony, the Crystal Heart, the Mirror Pool, even Star Swirl’s journal all seem to be able to function just fine without the need for a unicorn.

I think the EoH had something to do with it. When the Elements are used, the Mane 6 sort of relay certain aspects of themselves through each other before transmitting through Twi’s Big Crown Thingy. The destiny part was mostly just for song, while the plot focused more on the fact that Twilight’s accidental use of a partially completed spell caused the Elements (which carry bonds with their respective users) to briefly pass the ponies very existence into each other. With Twilight being unaffected, I’d say there was no feedback loop, and their character traits got stuck inside a different pony.


The Elements needed the “Spark of Magic” to work in the first episodes. Considering how the primary users have been unicorns/alicorns, it’s likely they need at least some understanding of magic to work properly.

With the Crystal Heart, it’s been shown that Love is a force of magic itself (Cadence became an alicorn through her showing of love, and the changelings can actually use it as a source of food). It may even be a transmitter/repository for outside magic. The Elements, also gems, are clearly useless without specific users. With the Crystal Heart, it would give the Crystal Ponies some actual innate ability in a land where all hooved creatures have one.

Star Swirl’s journal was read by an extremely powerful unicorn who happened to be standing near some extremely powerful, reality warping artifacts that had she happened to have a bond with. Without other evidence, it’s hard to say what the result would have been had she been, say, an unrelated earth pony. Considering it only affected the other Elements, though, it’s likely the EoH had something to do with it.

I’ll give you the Mirror Pool. It is, however, in the most magical, untamed forest in Equestria. Sense may not take place there.


@Wolfjack

Neat.

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Apr 04, 2013 at 03:34PM EDT

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Apr 04, 2013 at 03:43PM EDT
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@Crazy

I’ll definitely grant the ambiguity of the journal. It’s strange in many ways, but what made me think it didn’t necessarily work the same as normal unicorn spell was based on a couple of observations. For one, the spell that Twilight used out of it is the only one besides the Mirror Pool that required an incantation. Normal unicorn magic seems to be done by concentration, not fancy phrases. For another, Twilight’s horn glow only seemed to be for the levitation of the book, and seemed unchanged with the reading of the words. It’s all just speculation of course.

Apr 04, 2013 at 03:44PM EDT
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Millennial Dan wrote:

@Crazy

I’ll definitely grant the ambiguity of the journal. It’s strange in many ways, but what made me think it didn’t necessarily work the same as normal unicorn spell was based on a couple of observations. For one, the spell that Twilight used out of it is the only one besides the Mirror Pool that required an incantation. Normal unicorn magic seems to be done by concentration, not fancy phrases. For another, Twilight’s horn glow only seemed to be for the levitation of the book, and seemed unchanged with the reading of the words. It’s all just speculation of course.

That horn glow did definitely make it hard to tell what exactly she was doing, but I’ll concede she wasn’t concentrating very hard. She did, however, say that she cast the spell to find out what it was (which would indicate just the reading wasn’t that important). While “casting” it, the Elements began to glow and were zapped by the Big Crown Thingy, meaning she was at least a partial source of the magic. The magic surrounding the Elements seems to fade out with the same kind of anti-climactic “poof” that happened when Twilight didn’t/couldn’t complete her age spell in Magic Duel at the same time she seems confused.



This whole situation would be a lot easier to go over if we had some idea of what was behind Magic in the FiM universe. Bleh.

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Apr 04, 2013 at 04:05PM EDT

YOU RIDICULOUS HUMANS HAVE AWAKENED MY SCORN
FOR BELIEVING THAT MAGIC MUST REQUIRE A HORN!

Yeah, Zecora pretty much seems to prove that there are plenty of types of magic that don’t require a unicorn.
(And before we start theorizing that zebras have some special qualities unique to their species, recall that Apple Bloom was able to create the Cutie Pox potion herself which contained some pretty strong magic. The chaos was probably more because of inexperience/ignorance than lack of some magical trait. Same goes for the Love Poison. Why are the CMCs so obsessed with potions?)
I tend to be under the impression that magic in Equestria is a sort of generalized force that can be focused in multiple ways.
Unicorns have the most direct method sticking out of their foreheads and Pegasi have general auras that allow for weather control and cloud-walking.
For other stuff, the planet itself has some kind of magical field that Earth ponies tap into in a general sense, but there are also plants that are able to concentrate magical energy for use in potions and such.
Different regional concentrations of magic can lead to things like the Mirror Pool and the Crystal Heart having special properties.

Frankly, it’s magic.
The writers are likely going to keep it’s mechanics relatively vague in order to allow themselves the most freedom to play with it when they want to.


Hey, look what’s coming out!

Yeah, it’s still one of the crappy yarn-hair things, but it’s really crazy to think that Hasbro is producing toys based on characters that have literally no personality withing the show itself.
Octavia has had about two minutes of screen-time combined across two or three appearances, yet she’s considered important enough to give her her own product line.
(There is also a molded Octavia figure w/ cello and she was included in the trading cards)
Her popularity is entirely fandom-generated.
That’s pretty cool!
Vinyl will also be getting a similar treatment as well very soon!

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Apr 04, 2013 at 04:57PM EDT
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As far as Dan’s concerns that MMC seemed to spit in the face of the idea that cutie marks do not control or define a person (err, pony), I am inclined to believe that the mane 6 felt forced to perform what their cutie mark said because of something in the spell, not just because it was a cutie mark. Remember that the spell also changed the mane 6’s memories, it’s possible that the spell also controlled their own wills. It’s been shown before that cutie mark related diseases/curses/spells can control a ponies body and or will. When Apple Bloom go the Cutie Pox, she had literally no control of what her cutie marks were making her do. This doesn’t mean that any regular cutie mark will force a pony to perform whatever talent that mark shows, it was just an attribute of the Pox. We don’t really quite know what Starswirl’s spell does, and so we don’t know if part of the spell was forcing the victim to perform whatever task their cutie mark says.


On the subject of non-unicorns being able to use magic, I think there are countless types of magic throughout Equestria, and all of the pony races (and some non-pony races and plants) have the ability to use some or all of these types of magic. I hope that at some point we get to see Earth ponies use some sort of magic that isn’t totally ambiguous. Partially just so we can stop saying that Earth pones are a lesser race.

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Apr 04, 2013 at 06:08PM EDT
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@DeadParrot

Oh yes, I forgot to mention the potions. See? Magic isn’t a unicorn exclusive by any means, it’s just the manner in which it is used that changes.

The writers are likely going to keep it’s mechanics relatively vague in order to allow themselves the most freedom to play with it when they want to.

That’s true, but it sure won’t stop me from trying to reason out some logic to it anyway. In fact, it’s rather important for a little project of mine…


@Octavia Plushie

Her appealing design makes for an easy transition to toys like that.


@Crimson Locks

That’s as good an explanation as any I’ve seen so far. I’ll tuck in the headcanon depository for now. And yeah, the short stick those poor earth ponies have been dealt really needs to get taken care of already. Plant-growing magic, while certainly important, is pretty lame all the same.

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Apr 04, 2013 at 06:08PM EDT
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@Magic discussion

It appears that all species possess magical abilities. The ponies have their respective talents, the Zebra seem capable of potion based abilities, the changelings have their shapeshifting/basic unicorn skills, even the griffons can at the very least cloudwalk. Trying to map out and/or explain each ones magical abilities is pretty much impossible. It’s like trying to ascertain the exact workings of gravity in Ed Edd &Eddy. We know it’s there, but the subject is just so broad and complex that the show would never be able to give us enough info on it. There’s been manuals and blueprints devoted to Star Trek ships and Trekkies still debate the exact workings of them.

This is starting to creep dangerously close to a power level debate, one of the few things that leaves the TV Tropes Forum a desolate wasteland filled with nothing but an Earth Pony Cult, Twilight Fan Club, and that one guy that thinks Celestia can blow up the solar system.

@Cutie Mark/Destiny/MMC

Honestly, the whole episode was a complete mindscrew. Ponyville’s denizens seem completely fine with Rarity controlling the weather, the Cake’s and Apple’s apparently didn’t care about Pinkie or Applejack. Angel didn’t give a fuck about Fluttershy. I’ve written it off to the spell bucking up reality and everyone being screwed up by it.

It definitely screwed over the Mane Five. What with their memories being rewritten, which is probably why the memory recall spell from Return of Harmony wouldn’t work. There weren’t any memories to recall, they had been redone via mindrape.

I never bothered trying to figure out “destiny” or cutie marks. Not only does it tie into the magic conversation but it adds a little philosophy too. I’m not gonna touch it with a ten foot pole.

Apr 04, 2013 at 07:46PM EDT
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Kris wrote:

But, wait…I thought that pony porn was cancer?

I’m confused.

This just in!: Charity against cancer confirmed selfish act by brony fandom to fix it’s own mistake by generating more of the cause. Universe ended by the resulted paradox, bronies are to blame.

Apr 04, 2013 at 08:37PM EDT
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So….if Cancer gets cured within the next year could we say…………………Pony Porn cured cancer?

Wow, that………that was weird to type out.

Apr 04, 2013 at 08:51PM EDT
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Two things I’ve learned from KYM today

1. I now have an excuse to look at Rule 34 ponies

2. Non-unicorn ponies can use magic. I guess the unicorns just told them they can’t. What assholes.

like I ever needed an excuse

Apr 04, 2013 at 11:30PM EDT
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PONI is serious business.

Final Poll Clicky Here For Subtitle of New Thread Read Directions Please


Just to make sure that we’re on the same page, you should rank the choices (a total of 13) that you like. If you simply do not want to see a choice at all as the subtitle of the new KYM Pony General thread, then don’t rank it/leave it blank. I’ll execute the runoff based upon your rankings of the choices.

So for example, if you don’t like “Rarity General,” but you’re OK with seeing the rest of them, then you would rank your least favorite option “12,” and you wouldn’t rank Rarity General at all.
 
Here is my actual ballot for an example. I also placed my reasoning for discussion/debate purposes. However, I’m not changing my votes, since no one else will be able to either.

  • Live Free or Twi Hard – 3
    • Wordplay, pop culture reference.
  • Stay Out of Our Shed -
    • Don’t like the .MOV series. At all.
  • Yes Another One, Deal with It -
    • Too pushy. “Yes, Another One” might have gotten support from me.
  • >Implying We Talk About Ponies Here -
    • Threads (even General ones) get locked for being off-topic. I like the joking nature of it, but I’d rather not boast the fact that we can get off-topic.
  • Because We Needed Another One – 4
    • It’s a long running thread, and I think it will hold up over time.
  • Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro – 1
    • It simply fits too well. I recognize it may turn away some users who are very sensitive to drama, but at the same time, we don’t avoid drama. If a potential user thinks that the thread is all about Twilight being “ruined” by Hasbro, then they’d also have thought that we were in love with Derpy with “I just don’t know what went wrong.” As for it becoming antiquated, I don’t think anyone would argue that it is one of the most important events (if not the most important event) in the series. Considering that we will likely be well into Pony General VII before Season 4 starts in the Winter of this year (being the Season that will form our opinions of what the show has become/hasn’t become), I don’t think we’re going to be on Season 6 before we choose another subtitle.
  • Are You a Princess Too – 2
    • For similar reasons that Crazy☽ has already stated: it’s like the Deathly Hasbro subtitle but it doesn’t have the same negative connotations. It also doesn’t have quite the same rings as “Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro.”
  • The Ride Never Ends – 7
    • It speaks to the staying power of KYMPG and it references an unrelated meme.
  • Rarity General – 5
    • What can I say? I like the change of pace of just making something be focused on a Mane Six pony that isn’t Twilight Sparkle. Also, I like Rarity a lot too. So that helps.
  • We Can Eat All These Apples -
    • I don’t like the .MOV series. In fact, I hate it.
  • We’re Out of Star Wars Movies -
    • I don’t like the Star Wars movies. In fact, I’m slightly opposed to them based only upon references.
  • It Didn’t Have To End Like This -
    • As much as I like the Doom Faust/Paul reference, I don’t think it’s going to make much sense mid-season or in June. It makes sense only in the midst of much of the drama that has already passed.
  • You Could Have Prevented This – 6
    • Somehow, it seems to fit a bit better than the previous one, because it tells the user they could have prevented “This” which could be the entire brony phenomenon or the seventh thread on KYM (which no one really could stop though.) Could also be referring to the the coronation.
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Apr 05, 2013 at 01:39AM EDT

Tired of the same dreary references and parodies? It’s time for a name reference that inspires and makes us laugh. In these tough economic times, finding a reference that both parodies a popular work and provides some excellent biting the hand humor is difficult. Don’t be intimidated by the fear mongering of its rivals. By the worries that it goes too far. Trust in a title that will make you smile with it’s parodying and its humor and don’t be fooled by titles that promise so much only to leave you disappointed ten pages into the new forum.

This election, vote Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro.

“Best pony, with the best pun.”

Paid for by the Ponies For Prosperity SuperPAC, a non-profit organization.

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Apr 05, 2013 at 04:49AM EDT
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@Verbose’s poll(ution)

I voted for “Live Free or Twi Hard” first, as it seems to be the only non controversial option remaining. It’s not really super clever or funny, but it is at least not a reference to the crappy .mov series.

Voted for Deathly Hasbro second, because it’s simply fitting and does have the best pun as well. “Are you a princess too?” is in my eyes just as negative against Hasbro, but doesn’t sound nearly as clever.

Apr 05, 2013 at 07:51AM EDT
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As soon as I saw “You could have prevented this”, I cracked up laughing. I dropped all my former opinions on the matter and voted for this.

Apr 05, 2013 at 08:28AM EDT
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It’s very interesting how the votes are shaping up so far. Many thanks again to Fifths for suggesting the idea. I may present results as each round of runoff is conducted with the rankings.

I’d prefer people vote before I post a link to the analytics, but you can bypass that concern of mine with URL manipulation (or preferably by voting. I don’t think I have the results set to private. If so, then let me know.)
 
Muumi, you ninja dog, you…


Apr 05, 2013 at 09:23AM EDT

Sixty-seven users.
Six-seven users!

That’s how many people decided to NEVER watch MLP after seeing the “Deathly Hasbro” thread subtitle.

A certain forum moderator even called the name “overly disrespectful”.

ARE YOU A PRINCESS, TOO? is a better choice! It’s been hailed as the “perfect” option, and “inviting to outsiders”.

Remember, we’re here to promote good feelings.
NOT TO EXCLUDE SIXTY-SEVEN USERS

Overly disrespectful.

Is this the kind of disrespect you want YOUR thread to represent?

Vote NO to Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro.

OR DON’T

Apr 05, 2013 at 10:45AM EDT
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LET’S TURN THE SELECTION OF A NEW THREAD TITLE INTO A POLITICAL BATTLE!

Apr 05, 2013 at 12:45PM EDT
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@Magic Discussion

I usually assume that all magic, whether Earth Pony, Pegasus, or Unicorn; presumably if they reached some extreme level of peak control over their magic, and it was exercised well enough to give the magic enough kick…

…Then the difference between the races would sort of petter out at the high end. Somewhere just before Alicorn.

Think of it like a bell curve. An Earth Pony that is horrible at using Earth Pony magic is going to be roughly equal in skills and abilities as a Unicorn who is equally bad at Unicorn magic. (See Sweetie Belle VS Applebloom.)

Meanwhile, an Earth Pony that has mastered Magic, and even has it as a special talent, could theoretically perform feats of magic similar to a master Unicorn. With the last difference between the two being merely a matter of fluidity in use of those skills.

In the mid range between those two extremes, the differences tend to maximize at a point on the graph corresponding to the average pony’s abilities.

Looking at our best examples of magic in each race: Pinkie,Rainbow Dash and (Pre alicorn) Twilight, we get a good idea of mid range differentiation, as well as some convergence.

Pinkie can perform great feats of speed, rip through space-time, and has mild physical premonitions. The ripping through space-time has been done by twilight Sparkle as Well (Magic Duel.

Rainbow Dash can bust through to sonic Speeds, letting off a decent explosion. Which at one point made her mane incorporeal like Celestia’s. So far, Twilight has not been able to replicate a similar feat, but Pinkie has come relatively close.

Twilight is your Typical “Red Mage”, Jack of all trades, master of only the one that governs all of them. But this is mainly done through manipulation of the structure of the world around her, something that has only been alluded to being done by Zecora, albeit mostly through conduit alchemical substances, save for her glass trick…so … Hmm?

We can guess that this point, for at least individual ponies, is the point of greatest Differentiation. So for the next half, lets theorize on what their potential for magic at different levels are.


Unicorns: As we can all assume Unicorns have the most stable growth curve of the three pony kinds for use for magic, or at least it’s practical applications. At the start, it gives some of the most useful abilities, such as Levitation, and other fine manipulation abilities. Plus, once they have discovered their talent, they quickly gain a good tool-set of abilities heavily specialized for what their talent is.

The only real reason that their magic skills peter off in ability after that, is more because they rarely have the reason, or drive, to push the boundaries of those abilities.

Earth Ponies: Unlike Unicorns, Earth Ponies have to wait until later in their curve for more practical abilities. Their First practical abilities are usually general but flexible tough, being some large boost to some physical ability, such as speed or strength, generally suited to what tasks they need to do. Which can carry them through most day to day challenges as well as a Unicorn of the same level.

Some of their more earth shaking abilities though, they don’t show up until much later. Such as any theoretical “earth bending” that may go on. However, theoretically if they manage to reach that far in the curve, their magic would be strong enough for their abilities to be devistatingly powerful. Albeit clunky and uncontrolled.

Pegasi: The pegasi growth curve seems to be erratic at best. As most low end Pegasus already have the gift of flight granted to them fairly early on, as well as weather control, which is undeniably useful, despite being something that requires preparation.

Higher end Pegasi? They practically get freaking energy fields around them, and some get steel sharp wings.

Our Highest known tier of Pegasus (Rainbow Dash) has finely tuned all these aspects into a weapon, the Sonic Rainboom! And a side effect was her mane becoming incorporeal.

That last bit, is our only clue as to what a Pegasi’s progression beyond Rainbow Dash would be. Becoming one with their associated energy, possibly to the point it bends to her will or emotional state. Similar to how dark clouds swirl around Luna while she’s angry, yet she doesn’t seem to be using Unicorn magic.


Side Note: What can we say about dark magic? Well, from what we’ve seen of Twilight, it’s something that doesn’t only work through the horn, but also flows through the eyes at the very least.

Presumably any pony, regardless of kind, who’s able to tame their anger and sadness, could use a large range of magic through that power.

However, it would take a small subset of pony to do so without winding up being the kind that becomes a tyrant.

Such a pony would have to have anger against injustice, sadness from loneliness or fear at the prospect of losing their friends to something violent, and a strong will to continue living; despite the emotional damage such a state of mind causes.

It’s possible to find, yes. But so far, this small subset is rare in any reality. And… I’m actually surprised I’m able to both empathize and sympathize with that state of mind as well as I can.

…But then again, Luna’s practically the poster-child for dark magic in some of its forms, both before, during, and after Nightmare Moon; and a lot of people can relate to her. So maybe I’m underestimating here.

Apr 05, 2013 at 12:50PM EDT
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I voted then I saw Verbose’s post. I voted for the ones he didn’t want, I personally like the “We ran out of Star Wars movies” post…..then >Implying we talk about ponies here. Then I picked Rarity General, no pun, just Rarity. Rarity is better than any pun.

Apr 05, 2013 at 02:05PM EDT
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Reasons why Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro should be the next thread title:
because I came up with it
because fuck Hasbro
BECAUSE IT’S A COOL NAME

(or you could vote for Live Free or Twi Hard. That’s the only other name I like)

Apr 05, 2013 at 03:45PM EDT
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I think Are You A Princess, Too?, Live Free or Twi Hard and Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro are the best three, because:

1. As was already said by Serious Business, it’s a catchy name and it does sound pretty welcoming to potential new members, I have to admit.

2. Live Free or Twi Hard is a pretty funny pop culture reference, even though I don’t enjoy the movie series all that much.

3. Seventh thread, Hasbro’s Twilicorn decision, fandom reaction…it all fits too perfectly, with the excellent wordplay on top of that. As for the issue of newer members that may be more touchy or sensitive to drama not liking it, I can’t speak for how the title may be perceived by others, of course, but if it’s not an obvious joke at first, we can hope that potential new members at least click on the thread to see what we’re all about in here.

Just something to consider, for me at least.

Apr 05, 2013 at 06:39PM EDT
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I’m sticking with the Deathly Hasbro option. I didn’t even bother to add a vote to anything else. I like the idea that it kind of says, “Drama? We’re not scared of no stinking drama.” It’s full of meta and win, all around.

Apr 05, 2013 at 06:48PM EDT
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Over the months, butthurt has claimed many victims. Now, subversive elements wish the butthurt to reign supreme. They want to filter the humor and comedy that we’ve grown to love and adore so that nopony will be offended. They wish to turn the forum into nothing but a gray blur that offends nopony and as a result also makes nopony laugh. Don’t let the butthurt win.

This election, vote for the title that claimed a plurality in the last election and the title that one Sr Forum Moderator says “fits too well”.

Stop the butthurt. Let comedy once again reign supreme.

Vote “Twilight Sparkle and the Deathly Hasbro” this election.

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Apr 05, 2013 at 08:52PM EDT
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Let’s just get this shit over with.

I’m Twilitlord, co-creator of Twilight Sparkle and the Deadly Hasbro, and I approved this message.

Apr 05, 2013 at 09:09PM EDT
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I’m Crazy☾, and “Are You a Princess Too?” is my favorite store on the Citadel title for the thread.

Act now, cast your vote for what is certainly the best title for Pony General, and you’ll receive not one, but TWO pegasi ponies absolutely FREE! That’s right! Two adorable winged ponies shipped to you, and guaranteed to make your life more colorful and much happier!



Act now!

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Apr 05, 2013 at 10:17PM EDT

Arlon The Serene (Free Cake) wrote:

Guys, I accidentally a pony figurine from the Free Masons, is that bad?


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