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KYM Pony General VI: Return of the Poni

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Could I convince people to put screenshots of spoiling material behind links instead of embedding them please? I'd rather not run people off from the thread.

No pressure though.


As for Joey Darkmeat's art, I'd actually propose that his style inherently has a sexual vibe to it.

Most of the female pony characters (you'll notice that he does not draw any male, pony characters, and if he does, it's less so than other artists) have human female attributes beyond what the show presents. The curves that you're attracted to are the same, slight curves that most men would be attracted to, because they are not the curves of a horse or even the show ponies. Those are the curves of a human female. You may not be attracted to the pony aspects, and females can be attracted to curves without being sexually attracted to it, but I'd guess that is not the case for most people here.

Furthermore, a good chunk of Joey Darkmeat's art is sexual. He doesn't shy away from suggestive images. Also, the guy's been good since he's started drawing pony. It's not a development of his skill when you see an image like:

This or this (which lack the aforementioned curves, even though the same flank and "hips" are being shown)

And this or this (which has those curves.) He is intentionally changing styles for a different effect; for something more human.

I'd actually say that it's something between pony and anthro art, but it's evoking the same "not quite, but yet" feelings that make furry art weird/appealing for a lot of people.

Windigo With Salad wrote:


We have video!

That was… something… I'm finding it hard to find a word…

Brain-splody?

That would explain the pink flesh that suddenly has made a home of my walls.

I bet that Crystal Ponies are going to be a big thing once the episodes show their true forms. And then…

…Someone will probably start asking for them to show up more often. Maybe as 7th and 8th Members of the group.

And then a quite Fluttershy voiced debate will ensue over in the corner as everyone tries to figure out whether that's actually a good idea…

…Then… I don't know.

Luna Protege wrote:

That was… something… I'm finding it hard to find a word…

Brain-splody?

That would explain the pink flesh that suddenly has made a home of my walls.

I bet that Crystal Ponies are going to be a big thing once the episodes show their true forms. And then…

…Someone will probably start asking for them to show up more often. Maybe as 7th and 8th Members of the group.

And then a quite Fluttershy voiced debate will ensue over in the corner as everyone tries to figure out whether that's actually a good idea…

…Then… I don't know.

Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing MLP:FiM's Scrappy's origin.

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Twilitlord wrote:

Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing MLP:FiM's Scrappy's origin.

That's harsh, it hasn't even aired and you're jumping to conclusions…

…No, We wait until it air's see what happens; while doing our best not to let that thought of what could happen cloud our judgement.

Only when it does happen, should you turn around and say "I thought so"… And Even then you should be open to the possibility of it being turned around.

I mean, they prevented angel the bunny from seeming like one ; they can get Crystal ponies to work… Theoretically

I mean, it seems weird, but I'm already sensing that a crystal pony could fit in the group as the more stoic, more sarcastic counterpart to Rainbow Dash.

…Although I base that off of years of Watching Digimon, so a Yamato-vs-Taichi/Masaru-vs-(Thomas)/Taiki-vs-Kiriha thing just sits well with me.

…

I have no idea how to end this… All I've got is a note that the fandom is more likely to be bad at portraying the Crystal ponies than the writers are if the fandom approachs it too quickly.

So we'd want to move forward with both Hope… And Caution.

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Whitishcollar wrote:

Have you seen this Article here? I know, i have linked to that site before, but i just like analysis and tl;drs. A couple of interesting points are mentioned there:

For instance:
- Forgetting that MLP:FIM is show about horses. At least that occured to me during the episode "Read it and weep". (BTW one of my favourite episodes)

I really thaught "wow Dash you really look like a horse" and the next thing was "oh yeah i'am stupid"

- Humans in equestria would abstract from the pony characters. It has been recently mentioned in this thread, but adding humans could break the immersion. When humans are around, you would start to see the world from a different perspective, because you would relate to the humans and start alienating the ponys.

- An explanation for the huge amount of pony crossovers. The characters of the mane6 are well defined and you can see similiar character traits in other shows/games/books/people everywhere and "being a pony" is not part of a character.

Basically the article is really worth reading!

For me its kind of the Other way round, I'll be walking down the street and be trying to stretch a pair of wings I feel I "Should" have, only to remember I'm still human… And I'm still in a human world…

This isn't an exclusively "Pony" thing; since I've had that forever, so moving on.

What we should be saying with this is that we often forget about "Race" and "species" altogether at some point; The moment we accept another as "one of us" we "forget" what race and species they are.

Not necessarily because we start seeing them as the same race as us, but rather we stop bothering to notice the difference. Not because it's uninteresting, or that we don't know there's a difference; but… It's because it's incredibly easy to get desensitized to odd sights.

I think there's a trope for this: An Unusually Uninteresting Sight

It's Like "Hey, I almost forgot you're a girl", or "hey, I almost forgot I'm in Australia", or "hey… I sometimes forget how cute you look when you're angry."

We forget because it's not important, not because we start thinking of them as humans (I never get things like that mixed up, not really anyways.).

The only way "mistaken for human" comes into my mind, would be because of the English language assuming other people are human.

My mental image of Dash is always as a Cartoon pony, so when the "Mistaken for Human" moments happen for me, it's because despite being used to ponies, I'd be more used to using Human centric idioms like "you're only Human".

Gah! So many words just to say we're going Race/Species Blind! Everyone's going to be all TL;DR!

And we have video!
This is the New York Comic-Con panel and the direct source for all of the spoilers in the last few posts.
Again, SPOILERS IN HERE: CLICK AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Also, for those of you who are trying to avoid spoilers, tread lightly.
I'm already seeing art being made based on the short clip released just yesterday and I just know it's going to be spreading quickly.
Now is probably a good time to stay away from image boards if you don't want to accidentally see something.

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So apparently Tara Strong is coming to my town for Dallas Comic Con.

And my mom is going to take me and my brother (for Stan Lee and the like).

But I'm going to try to meet Tara Strong. :3

OH MY GOD I MIGHT GET TO MEET TARA STRONG.

Luna Protege wrote:

That's harsh, it hasn't even aired and you're jumping to conclusions…

…No, We wait until it air's see what happens; while doing our best not to let that thought of what could happen cloud our judgement.

Only when it does happen, should you turn around and say "I thought so"… And Even then you should be open to the possibility of it being turned around.

I mean, they prevented angel the bunny from seeming like one ; they can get Crystal ponies to work… Theoretically

I mean, it seems weird, but I'm already sensing that a crystal pony could fit in the group as the more stoic, more sarcastic counterpart to Rainbow Dash.

…Although I base that off of years of Watching Digimon, so a Yamato-vs-Taichi/Masaru-vs-(Thomas)/Taiki-vs-Kiriha thing just sits well with me.

…

I have no idea how to end this… All I've got is a note that the fandom is more likely to be bad at portraying the Crystal ponies than the writers are if the fandom approachs it too quickly.

So we'd want to move forward with both Hope… And Caution.

My problem with adding new characters to the group is that the Mane Six+Spike are already near-perfectly balanced – Twilight the straight man, Applejack the honest, hardworking one, Rainbow Dash the daredevil, Rarity the creative diva, Fluttershy the shy and kind one, hyperactive, comical Pinkie and Spike the token guy mesh so well that I feel adding new characters to the mix would throw off the character balance. That's kind of what happened with Scrappy himself – the four plus Scooby made a great group that wasn't missing anything, but when you add Scrappy into the mix, he just doesn't fit and messes with the overall feel. I'm afraid that the Six+Spike are already such a perfect group that if they even tried to add new characters, the new characters would never feel right.

Twilitlord wrote:

My problem with adding new characters to the group is that the Mane Six+Spike are already near-perfectly balanced – Twilight the straight man, Applejack the honest, hardworking one, Rainbow Dash the daredevil, Rarity the creative diva, Fluttershy the shy and kind one, hyperactive, comical Pinkie and Spike the token guy mesh so well that I feel adding new characters to the mix would throw off the character balance. That's kind of what happened with Scrappy himself – the four plus Scooby made a great group that wasn't missing anything, but when you add Scrappy into the mix, he just doesn't fit and messes with the overall feel. I'm afraid that the Six+Spike are already such a perfect group that if they even tried to add new characters, the new characters would never feel right.

Well… I suppose that makes sense.

However, I can Imagine ways it could be pulled off; however, the most effective of those ways might be one where they adopt the attitude of "just some more side characters that frequently interact with the Mane 6" …at first…

Then, if any of them sort of "click", they can start working them into the group proper; as they've had a shallow end "Trial run". But if they don't click, they can still be good side characters; they just won't fit in with the group dynamic internally.

…After all, The Cutie Mark Crusaders are good side characters, and they are kind of like skewed versions of their Sisters (or hero for Scootaloo).

Like I said… Hope, and Caution. For both fans and creators alike.

I'm sure that if we stay positive, but remember to tread lightly, we may manage to get the crystal ponies to be a great part of the franchise as a whole.

(For some reason, I also want to comment on my post's mention on "reserve Judgement for a while", as that's what most would say about My Little Pony… Not sure if coincidence or I did on purpose.)

Twilitlord wrote:

My problem with adding new characters to the group is that the Mane Six+Spike are already near-perfectly balanced – Twilight the straight man, Applejack the honest, hardworking one, Rainbow Dash the daredevil, Rarity the creative diva, Fluttershy the shy and kind one, hyperactive, comical Pinkie and Spike the token guy mesh so well that I feel adding new characters to the mix would throw off the character balance. That's kind of what happened with Scrappy himself – the four plus Scooby made a great group that wasn't missing anything, but when you add Scrappy into the mix, he just doesn't fit and messes with the overall feel. I'm afraid that the Six+Spike are already such a perfect group that if they even tried to add new characters, the new characters would never feel right.

regular show added Tomas in exit 9B as long as he brings something new to the group its ok really if they add new characters to the group thats okey as long as they add something new to the group

Now that you're all suitably complimented, I ask you all to direct your attention to THIS VERY LARGE AND OBNOXIOUS LINK. I decided to host a Synchtube tonight, because we haven't had a Synchtube party in ages. That link leads there. For those who haven't done it before, we usually just stream MLP episodes and chat alongside them. We were doing it pretty frequently in the weeks before season 2 started, so now seems like a good time to try it again.

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Bruno the Rustler wrote:

Choo Choo!

"Rev up those bodies, because mine sure is -"

Wait… Is that… filly Celestia and Luna? God dammit. GOD DAMMIT. GOD DAMMIT GOD DAMMIT GOD DAMMIT! GOD DAMMIT! YOU BROKE THE RULES! I WAS TRYING TO AVOID SPOILERS! YOU – YOU CAN'T FIX IT! EVERYONE'S GONNA BE MAD! NO! NOOOOO!

Last edited Oct 12, 2012 at 08:41PM EDT

As season 3 comes closer, I can FEEL a shitstorm. Not the kind of shitstorm that happens when trolls post gore/porn in the gallery, a WORSE type of SHITSTORM!

I can FEEL IT!

@ExudesAffluence: Dude, calm down. That fillies are part of a fanart. That is not related to Season 3 (Or is it?)

Last edited Oct 12, 2012 at 08:55PM EDT

null wrote:

So apparently Tara Strong is coming to my town for Dallas Comic Con.

And my mom is going to take me and my brother (for Stan Lee and the like).

But I'm going to try to meet Tara Strong. :3

OH MY GOD I MIGHT GET TO MEET TARA STRONG.

Did you just say Dallas? I live in Dallas too.

null wrote:

So apparently Tara Strong is coming to my town for Dallas Comic Con.

And my mom is going to take me and my brother (for Stan Lee and the like).

But I'm going to try to meet Tara Strong. :3

OH MY GOD I MIGHT GET TO MEET TARA STRONG.

@Bruno

Your beard lies. Of course, if they had filly Celestia and her hair wasn't pink, that would kinda suck. Not worth a tidal wave of anger suckiness, but it would be rather sad for a rather large amount of artwork.

I get the feeling that King Somber is an evil reincarnation of Nightmare Moon or maybe he was the one that transformed Luna into Nightmare Moon instead of her jealousy.

For those who care:

I deem this thread unsuitable for those trying to avoid spoilers.
 
And it really isn't for me. I went and watched the clip myself, but everyone else I guess is SOL.


Sarcasm aside, spoiler the spoiling talk/images/embeds.

<div class="spoiler">Whatever you want in here.</div>

Gets you this:

Whatever you want in here.

Yes yes, I live hazzah oh most wonderful of nights, let's get down to bweisness. Here's one of a series of alpha pages from the official FiM comic, I don't know if this is from an actual issue they're planning on releasing but regardless my fanboy juices are a-flowin' once again. Try and guess why!

(Just ignore Pinkie Fly there, that's not what I'm focusing on)

OK, let's take stuff into account here.

If all these page screens are from the actual comic one could assume they are connected by the fact that they all feature ponies (and cats apparently) that are hypnotized. At the bottom of this page you can see Best Pony looking deeply and I dare say creepily into a cat's eyes…

Ignoring for a second the fact that Screwball's inclusion in the comic has lead to my changing of many a pair of trousers, if she was actually given a major villainous role I think I will be morally obligated to mail the person(s) responsible the deed to my house.

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LOOKIT ME MAH, I'M FINDING REFERENCES.

Literally just watched that movie a few days ago, which is saying a lot because I never watch movies. Though at this point I'm assuming every background character in this comic is either a nod to the fandom or a pop culture reference.

And Verbose is right. Let's keep the spoilers down, shall we? I'm actually trying to go without them.

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@Exudes
Saw those guys immediately, but the big pony at the stand…
He looked too… unique to be random.
Took me a minute to see, but that's a freakin' Tom Selleck pony!

Even has the right hat!

Gigatoast wrote:

Ignoring for a second the fact that Screwball’s inclusion in the comic has lead to my changing of many a pair of trousers, if she was actually given a major villainous role I think I will be morally obligated to mail the person(s) responsible the deed to my house.

If you're gonna give them your house, at least get them to pay your laundry bill.

Well you guys seem insistent on spoilering the hell out of season 3, so I guess I'l be taking a little sabatical from pony general. Peace out you sexy bitches!

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Uh-oh, spoilers. I know about the very raw plotlines from the first two episodes of Season 3, but that's all I'm interested in knowing at the moment. So I'm going to agree with Verbose here about the content spoilers.

StarGazer wrote:

So apparently Tara Strong is coming to my town for Dallas Comic Con.
And my mom is going to take me and my brother (for Stan Lee and the like).
But I’m going to try to meet Tara Strong. :3
OH MY GOD I MIGHT GET TO MEET TARA STRONG.

Nice! Are you planning on recording a video or taking pictures or anything? If so, please post them here.

And what the devil goes on in here? Ooo, spoilers!
Aaaaand…Comic Con, goody. Why must all the cool things happen everywhere but close to my town, it's dreadfully boring here.
So what goes on fellas?

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Andy Price uploaded that comic page to his dA. Sweet stuff.

Why is Angel buying a mustache? And check out that Iron Will poster… and that dragon… and Derpy flying like Woodstock… and that everything.

@Fun Police
Of course I'm going to obtain proof of some kind. This is the internet, and I don't want people to say "Pics or it didn't happen." SO LET THERE BE PICS.

Also, should I buy an autograph do you think? I think that would be pretty sweet. They haven't announced her fees yet though. Hope it's not too much…

I should check the site and see if they upda-

OH MY GOD JOHN DE LANCIE IS GOING TO BE THERE TOO.

Somebody better break out the peanut butter, because we seem to have a lot of jelly in here.

null wrote:

@Fun Police
Of course I'm going to obtain proof of some kind. This is the internet, and I don't want people to say "Pics or it didn't happen." SO LET THERE BE PICS.

Also, should I buy an autograph do you think? I think that would be pretty sweet. They haven't announced her fees yet though. Hope it's not too much…

I should check the site and see if they upda-

OH MY GOD JOHN DE LANCIE IS GOING TO BE THERE TOO.

Somebody better break out the peanut butter, because we seem to have a lot of jelly in here.

Pics related, it's me.

ExudesAffluence wrote:

LOOKIT ME MAH, I'M FINDING REFERENCES.

Literally just watched that movie a few days ago, which is saying a lot because I never watch movies. Though at this point I'm assuming every background character in this comic is either a nod to the fandom or a pop culture reference.

And Verbose is right. Let's keep the spoilers down, shall we? I'm actually trying to go without them.

I'm not sure about this statement, but the whole cover looks kind of like a Bones reference. I'm not sure, but I believe it is.

Millennial Dan wrote:

Andy Price uploaded that comic page to his dA. Sweet stuff.

Why is Angel buying a mustache? And check out that Iron Will poster… and that dragon… and Derpy flying like Woodstock… and that everything.

PSSST…..

Look above the moustach on the stand's sign, and to the right of Dr. Whooves. (No it's not the pink pony from the window, if you are there than look DOWN), what you'll see will change your opinion, drasticly.

I need the bricks you are about to shit to build houses for homeless African children.

Also, I'm loving the detailness of this comic, I wish the show had those bustling backgrounds instead of the clear abandoned surroundings…. (yes I do relaise a lot of shots has action going in the background, but seeing that our community focuses SO MUCH on the Background Ponies, more backgroud action is required)

I used to be "cautiously optimistic as fuck" but now I'm hyped.


Since many of you who am I kidding, >implying we aren't all poorfags on this thread would like to know where to purchase it:

link 1

link 2

link 3

link 4

link 5

most useful link

Or you can just buy it IRL.
INB4 Banned for advertising.

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X-singular wrote:

Also, I’m loving the detailness of this comic, I wish the show had those bustling backgrounds instead of the clear abandoned surroundings…. (yes I do relaise a lot of shots has action going in the background, but seeing that our community focuses SO MUCH on the Background Ponies, more backgroud action is required)

I think they don't have a ton of background action because that would require TONS of animating. They'd probably have to have a whole 'nother team of animators just to do the background animation. The majority of ponies in crowd shots don't even move. Besides, having too much action going on in the background would detract from the action being focused on.
(I'm not saying it's a bad idea, I'm just coming up with reasons why they don't do a huge amount of background action.)
I am currently taking a Flash animation class at school, by the way.

I'm going to post those drawings soon. I cropped them last night; I'll upload them to Flickr and post them here tonight or tomorrow (most likely tomorrow).

@X-singular
Box has it pretty much exactly correct.
While I'd love to see more background activity, it is usually not very doable economically.
It takes time to animate anything well, and basically, the studio would rather spend that time on primary characters and set pieces over little nggets in the background.
Obviously, some is required just to make it seem like a town and not a place inhabited only by important ponies, but the threshold is pretty low.
For that reason, I will always appreciate the market scene in Putting Your Hoof Down.

So much custom animation in the background, including Derpy, Pip, Lyra, and Bonbon!
That animator really went above and beyond his normal job description in order to do some cool stuff for the fans.
But again, that's a lot of extra effort for things that only some of the audience will appreciate so man-hours are usually better spent elsewhere.

@X-Singular:

Check any comic whatsoever, then check the live action, animated or even video game adaptation of that comic. You'll find the backgrounds far less interesting.

It's just the limitations of each respective medium: Comics are static images, therefore an artist can cram as much detail into backgrounds as he's willing to put in. For animation, mediums or videogames, that's not only uneconomical, but since the medium is more dynamic, you risk overwhelming the viewer with too much stuff on screen.


You know considering our political debate a while about Equestrian government I'm surprised no one picked up on this:

I'm also surprised that for the first time Ponies are writing in English

I saw that, but I didn't think much of it. Besides, it's not canon unless it's actually in the book in November. And it's still only a small adjustment to my Equestrian government hierarchy.

It proves that there is some sort of representation at least on the local level. One of the points we were arguing about was whether Mayor Mare was appointed or elected a VERY important distinction.

We're discussing Flash animation?

Don't worry guys, I've been doing this for, like, almost three months, and my deviantArt has, like, almost 8,000 page views, so I'm pretty much an expert.

Actually, animating the background characters isn't the issue. They're all recolors, and recoloring any complex animation is as easy as recoloring any simple animation like a walk cycle or some talking. Remember, Flash reuses and resuses and reuses. Every time you see a pony walking, it is the exact same walk cycle, the exact same motions to start and stop, the exact same mouth positions (unless exaggerated, like Pinkie's "Forever"). Recoloring is as simple as clicking, clicking again and clicking again. Rinse and repeat.

So getting the background characters to do interesting things is hella easy. The question is whether you want to – the background characters are designed not to draw attention to themselves, but to what's actually happening. If you've taken art classes, and you probably did in middle school at least, you'll be familiar with focal points. All of that, save for maybe the rule of thirds, applies here. The background ponies are meant to be static and just distinct enough from the background to guide your eye to Twilight Sparkle or Rarity or whomever the scene focuses on. If the background moves too much, you lose the ponies as guides. They're distracting, and although you know you're supposed to focus on the main action, your eye is not drawn to it as easily or comfortably.

It's a simple process to get the background characters to move, but they don't do it for a reason. Simple reads much more effectively in most animation, so the background is kept clean by keeping the characters mostly static. They might be drinking something or talking to someone, but they more or less stay in the same place, or are restrained to simple motions like just walking. And even then, a lot goes in to planning where they walk, to further draw attention to the focus of the scene. There are a few exceptions, obviously. For examples, a panning shot focusing on no one in particular (I'll use the scene where Pinkie is counting all the ponies in Dragonshy for example) or when the goal is to make a main character seem overwhelmed or tiny (for example, Twilight in Winter Wrap Up) would be two such exceptions.

tl;dr: There's reasons

@Changeling in the comic

that Chrysalis would be returning.
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Twins the Serendipitous Serval wrote:

>lurks thread
>entire season 3 is ruined
>oh you guise
>Muumi

What now Twins?

Did I miss something again?


Well, that ended up being a way too short Forum post…

I need to write something else too, but what?

Hmmm…..

Well, I can't figure out anything worth saying, so have an awesome new picture by one of my favourite artists from dA; emperpep.

I'm seriously jelly of these godlike drawing skills.

Yeah compared to him, your drawings are like the scratchings of a paraplegic chicken.

I'm ashamed to know you now Muumi. May a wild Russian kill you in a drunken rage.

Skeletor-sm

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