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What’s the deal with Gak, whatever that is.

Everyone watched it, but me… Feels batman…

Nov 11, 2012 at 07:05AM EST
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Bruno the Rustler wrote:

What’s the deal with Gak, whatever that is.

Everyone watched it, but me… Feels batman…

I can’t remember which examples, but there seems to be a lot of angst in this fandom over advertisements that play during the episodes. Which is channeled through the fandom mocking it by making it part of the meme culture of the fandom.

Its the same deal as Magneto showing up.

Some guys were singing the gala song, and suddenly Magneto shows up and obscures the screen. And now we will never forget it… And we made a freaking huge joke out of it.

And now, Gak has ruined our patience during the Season premiere, and so now it’s a rather weird joke.

We’re a weird fandom. But that is why I love it.

Nov 11, 2012 at 07:18AM EST
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Hmm… I guess I could also leave my own opinion about the episodes.


I watched the premiere with my girlfriend, and while it wasn’t mindblowingly awesome (like Discord episodes), it wasn’t a complete failure in my opinion either.

While Sombra didn’t have much personality, it was still somewhat cool to have a villain that is more of an entity, than something that can be clearly defined. I guess they might bring him up again during the season, but I have no idea how they’d do it

Maybe Trixie will resurrect him, or at least use the survived piece of his horn to amplify her own powers, or something like that (it could happen). Didn’t she have some medallion in the leaked picture?

Maybe the medallion is made out of that horn fragment? Who knows.


And I mentioned this before with the 8 minute spoiler clip, but now that you all have seen it, I can bring this up again without spoiler tags or anything.

Seriously, the highlight of the episodes for me (besides Spike saving the day and getting the stained glass window), was actually good old Pinkie Pie. I really loved that animation and expression when she stepped out of the train with the party cannon, and fired it.

Plus, her spy act was hilarious, and just about everything she did during the episode was simply great. I loved her in these episodes.

I think I cannot say that Twilight is the best pony anymore. Pinkie’s taking home the gold now.

…But I still think Trixie is awesome too, so who knows how my brain works.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 08:15AM EST
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A blank version of my extremely convoluted, chess based, shipping chart is now up…

…I’m still working on my own personal version.

See it Here

Or if you’re lazy…

It’s bigger than it looks… A few slots to insert a few OCs and Split Characters (Such as Nightmare Moon to Luna. Or Pinkamena to Pinkie) along with any Background/Side ponies I missed.

Also, It should have notes on the instructions for use. Not that you can read it from up here.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 09:51AM EST
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Hmmm… I’m late for the party. I just finisehd watching it and it was nice.
My thoughts is a nutshell.

Remember, a cartoon for small children

Nov 11, 2012 at 11:04AM EST
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Bruno the Rustler wrote:

Hmmm… I’m late for the party. I just finisehd watching it and it was nice.
My thoughts is a nutshell.

Remember, a cartoon for small children

We need a ponyfied version of this^ meme! Stat!

Then someone combine the results, and meet back in… some time.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 11:19AM EST
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Twilitlord wrote:

OK, so let me rephrase my statement. I liked the episode, I really did. The plot was great, although somewhat contrived, as Insouciant said. We’ve got some new canon to build on, especially the crystal ponies. However, and this especially applies to your post, BSOD, they could have spent more time characterizing Sombra. I know they can make a character with little more than “evil” if they want to, but every single other character in the entire show has some characterization. Even ones with few appearances, even a single one, get personality within seconds. Take this bitch:

Within seconds of meeting her, we knew that Silver Spoon was rich, she was annoying and mean, and in minutes we also knew she was a follower, not a leader. She didn’t really do much during Call of the Cutie, but the characterization was strong enough that her and Diamond Tiara became recurring CMC antagonists.

Or how about this guy?

He has three things he ever says:

  • Eeyup
  • Nnope
  • You should be ashamed of yourself, humiliatin’ your sister ‘n’ me like that. We don’t wanna talk to any y’all right now so take your little gossip column and your embarrassing photographs and just go away!

(Okay, and a few more, but those three are the only three you’re going to think of when you think Big Mac.)

Yet his overall personality doesn’t need words to shine.

Then there’s Sombra. He’s just a flat character, vanilla evil. We could have even just gotten some motivation for why he took over the Crystal Empire; as it is, he just conquered it because of reasons. Just a bit of motivation would have helped his character. Another quibble – why reconquer the empire when it’s Celestia and Luna he has a beef with? They’re the ones who turned him to shadow. Taking the empire doesn’t serve a huge purpose at this point, especially since it’s being protected anyways. You could always take advantage of that as a distraction…

Phew. Sorry ’bout that. Got mad for a sec.

Anyways, this kind of sums up my feelings about Sombra:

The title was “Door is Best Villain”. A door was more memorable than the actual pony.

This post is more hate for the sake of hating.

What Big Mac personality? All we know is that he’s a hard worker and cares for his family. Likes, hobbies, stuff like that, all completely unknown.

What we know about Sombre is that he has super strong evil magic, wants to rule the Crystal Empire, and has succeeded to do so in the past. Not only that, but his shadow makes him a constant thread to the Crystal Empire. He likes suffering and slavery, and unlike Big Mac lets others do his work.

Both hardly say a word.

In what way does that make Sombre more flat than Big Mac?

Sure, he wasn’t like the other villains, but he at least was a threat to the ponies. All NM wanted was an endless night, it was up to the ponies to like it or not. Discord only wanted to have fun through chaos (weird magic chaos, not everyone dies chaos). Crysalis wanted to invade Canterlot with her minions.

Sombre wanted to enslave everyone and rule everything. He actually was fucking evil. And what makes a character a villain? Correct, being actually fucking evil.


Sombre X Big Mac confirmed best hot yaoi otp ship. Silent lovers through the passion of the night. No words, only feels now.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 11:41AM EST
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Embedded for the sad fuckers who didn’t see it yet
LIKE I WAS ;A;
Anyway, I give it about an 8/10
Sombra had a huge potential, but for me he just seemed kinda…dull.
Not really dynamic or anything, underplayed
It kinda went slow through the whole episode, and Sombra’s whole appearance and eventual defeat was anti-climactic
Not the worst episode, but not the best

Nov 11, 2012 at 11:49AM EST
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@RandomMan: We do know that Big Mac likes dolls

@Twilicorn discussion: I really don’t think the whole Twilight becoming an alicorn thing would be bad at all, especially considering this is the kind of thing that little girls love. I don’t think that just because this is now a part of the plot (possibly) the show is now only going to use the other mane 6 as filler characters either. I have a feeling they will somehow be a part of Twilight’s advanced studies too. Anyways, at best we’ll probably have more hints of this dropped in the season finale, and then a little more in the season 4 premier and then who knows? It’s way too early to make any decisions.

Nov 11, 2012 at 12:47PM EST
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I might be a little late for this discussion, but I feel I should give my opinion.

There wasn’t a single episode that I hated. Some episodes I liked more than others, but none that I hated. There are probably a lot of people who like The Crystal Empire and that’s fine if you do, but I found myself asking a lot of questions. What is the crystal empire? Who are the crystal ponies? Who is King Sombra? Just an evil unicorn? Why does he want to rule the crystal empire? Why is he still alive after a thousand years? Why are the crystal ponies alive after a thousand years? Why do they all have amnesia? If Princess Celestia and Princess Luna defeated King Sombra before, how come they do nothing to stop him now? Why did Princess Celestia send Twilight to save the crystal empire? As some sort of test? How come the mane six didn’t bring the elements of harmony with them? Were the elements ever an option? When Twilight makes a crystal heart, why does it look like something I would’ve made in the seventh grade? Why was the last page of the history book torn out? Did King Sombra do it? If so, why didn’t he tear up the whole book? Why did King Sombra hide the crystal heart in the crystal empire? (Well, at least he put some obstacles in the way so it wouldn’t be easy to find.) Why does Spike get all the credit for saving the crystal empire when all he did was bring the crystal heart halfway down the castle? What happened to King Sombra? Is he dead? Why is King Sombra a shitty villain?

Maybe some of you could answer most of these questions or you could just say that I’m nitpicking, but I never had this problem with any other episode. There are some positives I can say. The animation was good, I liked the songs, the main characters acted the way they should, and I got a few good laughs out of it. Overall though, I was pretty disappointed.

Nov 11, 2012 at 01:12PM EST
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I have made it my headcanon that Sombra’s lack of characterization is due to the fact that his dark magic basically consumed turned him into nothing more than a raging ball of evil. That makes sense, right?

Nov 11, 2012 at 01:32PM EST
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aerolyt wrote:

I have made it my headcanon that Sombra’s lack of characterization is due to the fact that his dark magic basically consumed turned him into nothing more than a raging ball of evil. That makes sense, right?

That’s kind of the idea I have. This is also why I think his death isn’t taken so seriously in the show, because he technically wasn’t even a living being.

Nov 11, 2012 at 01:41PM EST
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aerolyt wrote:

I have made it my headcanon that Sombra’s lack of characterization is due to the fact that his dark magic basically consumed turned him into nothing more than a raging ball of evil. That makes sense, right?

Nov 11, 2012 at 01:46PM EST
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Alright everyone, here is my in depth analysis of the season opener and what I think it might mean for the series as a whole.

First off, if you aren’t familiar with the concept of Tone Shift then you should go read about it because I believe the new episode signifies mlp experiencing it to a significant degree. Our light-hearted little slice of life comedy series about ponies is starting to turn into an epic struggle between the forces of good and evil full of magic, adventure, and ponies.

Now the show hasn’t completely turned over into ‘Lord of the Rings, but with ponies’ yet, but I think it’s definately making steps in that direction. Contrast the quest to get the crystal heart in the new episode to the quest to get the elements of harmony in the Nightmare Moon and the Discord episodes. The physical attainment of the elements has always been symbolic in nature. It’s less about the mane six getting the shiny necklaces that shoot lasers and more about them overcoming their personal flaws and harmoniously coming together.

While the crystal heart is similar to the elements in that it’s powered by emotion or whatever, it seems to have a little more…weight than a mere allegory for the power of friendship. We get the sense that this is a physical object that must physically be attained, that it is something that could very well not be attained by the mere accident of happenstance. I mean, what would have happened if Spike hadn’t been there to carry the heart down or Cadance hadn’t flown to catch him? Sombra would have won despite everything. With the elements, you always get the feeling of ‘as long as our hearts are in the right place, everything will turn out alright.’ with the crystal heart, you get the sense of ‘Our hearts could be in the right place and we still might fail.’ that shift from the omnipotence of ideals to a more realist perspective is present throughout the entire episode. Cadance’s power to keep out Sombra is limited by the fact that she gets physically tired and Shining Armor’s power is blocked because a spell was cast on him by an outside force. Twilight is able to use dark magic to achieve her ends, which suggests that magic, even dark magic, is just a tool to be used to achieve your ends, not representative of good or evil in and of themselves.

So ya, that in addition to the extra emphasis they’re putting on continuity and on the world and its history is definately indicative of a tone shift, and the premiere demonstrates the problems they will encounter making this shift.

The greatest problem for mlp here has nothing to do with its content, but with its format, namely its episodic nature. I feel the premiere suffered from the same problem as the royal wedding episode: Not. Enough. Time. When you’ve only got 45 minutes to tell a story that could easily fill a movie, you’re going to see some corners get cut. The three biggest problems with the premiere were that 1) Not enough exposition on the crystal ponies or the crystal empire 2) Twilight’s dilemma with not accepting help on her ‘test’ wasn’t set up enough 3) The villain could have stood for a little more characterization than ‘none at all.’ All of these stem from the fact that the writers were just cramming too much into too little a space. I feel the only way they could solve this problem is if they abandon the current format where the average episode is a complete story unto itself and they started dedicating large chunks of episodes to creating an arc where they tell a single story. Oherwise, we’re just going to have to learn to deal with sketchy characterization and world-building when they decide to do epic two-parters like this.

The other question that must be raised is whether, stylistically, mlp can take on this tone shift without losing what made us love it. Is mlp going to lose its lighthearted comic edge? I don’t think so. The writers’ understanding of the characters and how to write humor for them is sharp as ever, and I don’t see that going anywhere soon. One of the things that really impressed me about the premiere was the smoothness of their synthesis between the new epic tone and the old lighthearted tone. This was the point of Twilight telling RD that the mane six need to keep the carnival going in order to keep the crystal ponies spirits up, so that we could still have our goofy pony antics while Twilight is on her quest searching for the heart. Trying to have two seperate tones at once like that usually results in disaster, but mlp really made it work I feel.

So in conclusion, I liked the episode premiere, rough edges at all. They’re definately taking the show in a new direction and whether or not that will work, only time will tell, but I’ve got a good feeling.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 01:50PM EST
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Okay, my turn to say some stuff!

First off, I’ll say that I genuinely enjoyed the episodes.
The main six were awesome as ever with Pinkie’s antics really standing out.
I mean, really, who didn’t love her freaking Fluttershy suit?

Brain a’splode!

As for the story, as usual, it was a bit rushed to fit such a large event into just 44 minutes, but I think it did an admirable job overall.
I liked the lesson about self-sacrifice there at the end, but I don’t think that it was emphasized quite enough on the front-end for the payoff to be as powerful as it could have been.
(Nice to see Spike finally get some recognition, though!)

There is also a new gigantic wave of evidence for Twilight being some kind of ‘magical leech’ which has been theorized before.
(She picked up teleportation from NMM, bubble shields from her brother, gem-finding from Rarity, Want It/Need It from Cadance, etc.)
Celestia using black magic was crazy enough, but having Twilight so easily learn it from a single viewing and being so willing to use it in the castle were amazing.

Sombra was okay in my book.
He was certainly not a ‘character’ villain like the others we’ve seen, but he accomplished the goal of motivating the story well.
The fact that we see his horn flying away at the end implies that we may not have seen the last of him either so more may be coming.

Honestly, the parts I found most interesting were the hints at things to come.
Celestia and Luna’s conversation at the beginning clearly suggested that the writers have something planned out here and the implications are very mysterious.
I find it hard to do too much speculation simply because it was made so clear that something is coming.
Without giving any solid details, they’ve set up a continuity to this season that will hopefully carry through and see Twilight reaching this ‘next step’ in her studies.
Can’t wait!

And that book!
What was with that book at the end?!
Maybe:

Now for some new stuff:


Wow… Just wow…
So much great stuff in there.
I think yo guys may be able to tell which shot holds the most interest for me specifically, however.
There was also the episode synopsis that was just revealed as well:

Scoots is finally getting an episode!
Fina-frickin’-lly!
Obviously, it isn’t the ‘Scoots learns to fly’ kind of story that many had probably been hoping for (at least not in any obvious way), but it does sound interesting nonetheless.
At the very least it implies that we may finally get to see where the kid sleeps and put all of the homeless orphan rumors to rest (or confirm them, but that seems tremendously unlikely in a show like this).

So all in all, can’t wait for the rest of season three!

I think Scootaloo is excited, too.
She’s been jumping around all day.

(Just got her yesterday! Made my makeshiftwings30 HERE)

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Nov 11, 2012 at 02:17PM EST
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I’m glad they gave Luna some airtime in the premier. Certainly makes up for not seeing her in the Season 2 premier, that’s for sure. I just hope we get to see more of her during Season 3.

Also, glad the ponies are back on. It’s helping with my post-election depression. To bad this season is going to be shorter then the previous ones.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 02:21PM EST
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Who the heck are these horses?

They are not unicorns neither pegasi. They aren’t even ponies! They are Horses from what sees to be a damn circus.

@DeadParrot222: About damn time! Now we only need a song for AJ.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 03:41PM EST
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RandomMan wrote:

This post is more hate for the sake of hating.

What Big Mac personality? All we know is that he’s a hard worker and cares for his family. Likes, hobbies, stuff like that, all completely unknown.

What we know about Sombre is that he has super strong evil magic, wants to rule the Crystal Empire, and has succeeded to do so in the past. Not only that, but his shadow makes him a constant thread to the Crystal Empire. He likes suffering and slavery, and unlike Big Mac lets others do his work.

Both hardly say a word.

In what way does that make Sombre more flat than Big Mac?

Sure, he wasn’t like the other villains, but he at least was a threat to the ponies. All NM wanted was an endless night, it was up to the ponies to like it or not. Discord only wanted to have fun through chaos (weird magic chaos, not everyone dies chaos). Crysalis wanted to invade Canterlot with her minions.

Sombre wanted to enslave everyone and rule everything. He actually was fucking evil. And what makes a character a villain? Correct, being actually fucking evil.


Sombre X Big Mac confirmed best hot yaoi otp ship. Silent lovers through the passion of the night. No words, only feels now.

*Sombra

You’re missing what I said about the characterization I wanted. We don’t have a terrible amount of strong backstory for Sombra, so I’d like some more personality. Nothing you pointed out gives him any sort of personality.

We know a lot about Big Mac. He’s honest, hardworking, he’s friends with Cheerilee and they’ve got a lot of stories, he’s skilled at repairing things along with his obvious farming skills…

As for Sombra:

  • “Fucking evil”
  • Jack shit else

They had plenty of opportunity to give him some personality. Have him show up during the door scene and talk to Twi. Have Celestia give more backstory, better yet, Luna, since she seems to be worried about something. Give him more lines, I don’t care if you had to cut some of the fair. As it is, I don’t see what reasons he even has for conquering the Empire, as Celestia seems to suggest the spreading of dark magic and hate is merely a side effect.

He’s literally the first character with a semi- or more important role with no characterization, and that bothers me.

Nov 11, 2012 at 04:07PM EST
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That awkward moment when your grandfather sees a picture of you with Tara Strong and tells you that you need to hook up with her.

Nov 11, 2012 at 04:16PM EST
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Bruno the Rustler wrote:

Who the heck are these horses?

They are not unicorns neither pegasi. They aren’t even ponies! They are Horses from what sees to be a damn circus.

@DeadParrot222: About damn time! Now we only need a song for AJ.

Actually Bruno, horses they may be, but they are not from the circus.

The costumes they are wearing are based on Arabian Horse gear.

The tassels and embroidered cloth saddles are a dead giveaway.

Here’s some pics for reference:

Horse wearing a bridle and chest guard while in Egypt

Lady Anne Blunt, in Bedouin attire, next to her prized Arabian, which wears a simplified version of the Arabian gear

A Bedouin riding his horse with his dog following:

A 16th century Islamic painting showing the signature embroidery

And an 18th century painting of an Egyptian Mamluck riding his Arabian to battle

What I think they are either foreign emissaries or royalty from Equestria’s version of Arabia visiting on a diplomatic mission or are emissaries whose king has heard of a talented young mare and has hitherto sent them to evaluate this lavender magician.

Nov 11, 2012 at 04:18PM EST
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aerolyt wrote:

That awkward moment when your grandfather sees a picture of you with Tara Strong and tells you that you need to hook up with her.

There needs to be a ponified version of this.

Nov 11, 2012 at 04:39PM EST
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Scotaloo? Nightmares? Someone needs to draw Scotaloo in a parody of a nightmare stage from Catherine.

Nov 11, 2012 at 10:10PM EST
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Was going through the image gallery’s photos from the past two days and found this, which I now adopt into my opinion of King Sombra:

Nov 11, 2012 at 11:29PM EST
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@Supreme

If there is one thing I greatly, greatly appreciated about Sombra, it’s that he wasn’t beaten on bullshit. Let’s be honest, the only reason Nightmare Moon or Discord or Chrysalis were beaten was that they got overconfident or too carried away with a song. There was no need for that with Sombra – he was literally trying to kill and enslave everyone the whole time. His objectives were much more terrifying, lack of motives aside, and he looked the part. Sure, Nightmare Moon looked evil enough, but Discord and Chrysalis? As strong of characters as they were, they didn’t look like true villains, and with Discord, this was reflected in his not being entirely evil.

Sombra looks like a tyrannical pony dictator and he wants to kill and enslave an entire kingdom. Good villain.

Nov 11, 2012 at 11:39PM EST
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Am I the only one who thinks the Villain from the Season premier looks like something from the depths of OC hell from Deviant Art?

Nov 11, 2012 at 11:52PM EST

GIANTDAD wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks the Villain from the Season premier looks like something from the depths of OC hell from Deviant Art?

He was called a “bad OC” from the moment he was leaked months ago.

So no, you’re not the only one.

EDIT: No, I’m not dead. I’ve just been internetless for the pass 12 days and will likely be internetless for a while more.

I haven’t even seen the damn season premier :(

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Nov 11, 2012 at 11:57PM EST
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@Supreme

I’ve seen that comment copy-pasted a couple of times now.

Contrivance and excuses are all that is, I’d have to say I’m still not impressed. If anything, the 4chan comments that Windigo linked being actual canon would be the only way to really change my mind about him.

We’re supposed to be in awe of his “presence”? Yeah, I do have the “gall” to question that. Evil for evil’s sake is rarely done well, and you know why so many people are unenthusiastic about that? It’s just too dang easy. Anyone could write up a big bad snarling evil king who wants to enslave everyone and do bad things, because reasons.

I made this argument over at EqD as well. For the sake of comparison, who is defined as one of the most pristine examples of a good villain ever devised? This guy:

He did it all man, he blew up planets, killed Obi-Wan, strangled his own officers, betrayed just about every friend he ever had, dropped the father bomb on Luke, then had a radical reversal at the end. He had dialogue, he had interaction, he had motives, it was all there. Take all that away, and craft a villain that’s nothing more than a “powerful force” who harms people, and what are you left with?

This guy:

You tell me; which foe is more fun to watch?

Now, Sombra may be slightly more interesting than the blob, but that’s only because of everything else happening in the story. He did barely anything personally.

I do have a theory about why they did it that way though; if he is truly dead, then they would have a problem on their hands if they gave him too much personality. It’s the storm trooper mentality; the less human they seem, the less you care when they die, and you know how much western television hates giving too many feels to their young audience.

And as for all these comparisons to Sauron, I don’t buy it. Sauron had a vast amount of history available to anyone with the inclination to find out about him and his interactions with Middle Earth, whereas with Sombra, we’re left guessing as to who this guy is and what he wants. Now, if he does get more development as the series progresses, great, but as it stands now, he was far less entertaining than the other three major villains.

You know what the sad thing is? We keep going back and forth on the topic of what I believe was the weak point of the story, while ignoring many other interesting things about the episodes. Did anyone notice the similarities between this and the story of Hearth’s Warming, for example? Think about it.

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Nov 11, 2012 at 11:58PM EST
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@Millennial Dan, the only similarities I really noticed were that the antagonists both seemed to be powered by negative emotions, were more of a evil force than a real character, and were defeated by overwhelming positive emotions (well, more of, positive emotions powered the device that defeated Sombra when it was in place, but still). I’m pretty sure there is more (coming to terms with your pride for the greater good, I think), but other than that I can’t think of anything else at this moment.

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Nov 12, 2012 at 12:30AM EST
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@Dan

Actually, just about every major villain seems to call up the Hearths warming some way or another.

-Discord looks kinda like a windigo already. He got the protagonists to fight, they turn grey (which always reminds me of stone for some reason, so it would be a metaphorical freezing of the heart) and only by saving friendship do they push back his influence.
-Crysalys put Canterlot under siege, and started wrapping ponies up (Similar to freezing) and only love pushed them back.
-NNM… I don’t know, The unfavorable weather climate thing works.

I don’t know how much I’m seeing there is real, but one could easily see the Hearths Warming story as being a great illustration of how conflict in Equestria is seen by ponies.

Alternately, we could just say “Windigoes” did it whenever a villain shows up we know little about. Such as Sombra.


Now, somebody mentioned the question of how Sombra stayed alive after 1000 years. That’s a good question. I have several possibilities.

-Unicorns in general may be long lived. We haven’t seen any old unicorns yet, so we could assume they are the equivalent of the standard fantasy setting’s Elves.
-Possibility of Quasi-Deity status. (Rank 0 Divine Rank in D&D terms). They are immortal, but don’t nessacarily have any other god-like powers yet (as Celestia would, as I imagine her as Rank 17: Greater Deity). I sometimes suspect that the main 6 may turn out to have gained a state like this when they got the elements of harmony; and as such, that would put them in the perfect position for Twi’ to gain wings and Ascend to Rank 1; which would be Demigod Status.
-Being turned incorporeal tends to mean you don’t exactly have a body that can decay.
-King Sombra has Regenerative powers right? If this were wolverine, that would mean not dying of old age. (Well, this depends on which continuity of Wolverine we’re talking… but that doesn’t matter.)
-Powerful lost knowledge? In one Tabletop RPG, Wizards can gain Immortality through study. There may be a similar possibility for unicorns in Equestria.

Any other possibilities?

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Nov 12, 2012 at 12:37AM EST
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@ZeroBlue4 and Somber’s being around 1000 years: I personally thought that he sent himself forward in time like the crystal empire itself. However, thinking this over, I guess that’s doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, as the royal couple seemed to have been able to beat him to getting to the empire (unless he was not in control of where he would pop up when flinging himself through time). I like the regenerative idea, combined with the fact that he was more of a living shadow, and shadows don’t actually age.

Nov 12, 2012 at 01:09AM EST
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@Dan: I can’t see your pics, but by context, they’re Vader and Jabba, right?


As for Sombra’s “immortality”:

One thing that struck me is how he’s qualified as a unicorn, but he doesn’t look like any unicorn we’ve seen. His horn is of unusual design, different from any horn we’ve seen in the whole show, even in corporeal form, he seems to be bigger than even Shining Armor, one of the biggest pure unicorns we’ve seen, and his mane, even in corporeal form, again, has a smoky quality that someone here pointed out was very Nightmare Moon/S2 Luna-like. Could he be some kind of “ascended” unicorn or something, in a higher state of unicorn being due to his mastery of the dark arts?

Of course, there’s also his being turned incorporeal, which is more likely for me (I just wanted to bring that last point up). The sisters didn’t kill him, for whatever reason; they turned him to pure shadow.

Then again, we’re arguing this when Discord was turned to stone for however long it was (at least as long as Sombra was shadow, since both sisters were there to stop him and the Nightmare Moon transformation was apparently shortly after the defeat of Sombra due to date line-ups), so we could just as well argue this about him.

Nov 12, 2012 at 01:16AM EST
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Gosh darn browser differences. That does it, from now on I’m rerouting all random images that aren’t from art galleries through imgur.

Here are the pics I posted earlier:
Villain one.
Villain two.

Nov 12, 2012 at 01:30AM EST
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Alton Brown the windigo wrote:


I feel sorry for him now.

But then there are those theories about him being pure shadow…

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Nov 12, 2012 at 01:54AM EST
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Bruno the Rustler wrote:

Hmmm… I’m late for the party. I just finisehd watching it and it was nice.
My thoughts is a nutshell.

Remember, a cartoon for small children

He just lost his horn.

Nov 12, 2012 at 02:30AM EST

@ “Sombro was a good villian and character because he was seriously evil”

As silly as discord was as a character, he also enjoyed a reign of terror over the ponies according to Celestia. I get that what we’ve seen of the new guy’s reign over the crystal ponies is easier to associate with tyranny and pulls at our heartstrings more, but I haven’t really seen anyone draw the conclusion that Discord’s reign must have also posed a serious enough threat to the ponies to justify being ended by force – Which means Somber’s main selling point isn’t even exclusive to him AND he’s pretty boring compared to the others :/

@will Sombro come back

At first I kinda thought his horn breaking off and remaining intact could have just been the animators using it as a visual aid to make it as clear as possible to people that – yep – that mother fucker with the weird horn exploded into a million damn pieces and he’s never coming back. Good jab, Spike!

But yeah, there were a lot of questions left unanswered in this episode that our curiosity may require Sombra returning to be even partially slated, so I’m kinda hoping for that now too.

I just hope he has more to say than this next time

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Nov 12, 2012 at 02:42AM EST
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@Fifths

This may be a bit late, but you mentioned “Tone shift”.

It might be good to say what kind of Tone shift. Such as the probably relavant Cerebus Syndrome

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Nov 12, 2012 at 03:22AM EST

I’ve actually been giving it some thought, and I’ve come to a possible realization. What if, even if Sombra appears again, he STILL doesn’t have many lines, a clear motivation, a history, anything. Every antagonist has their niche. NMM was interesting because she was a tragic villain, Discord was a funny kook, and Chrysalis was obviously the sexy one.

What if Sombra’s thing is mystery? Think about it… all who’ve dealt with him suffer from amnesia. He doesn’t waste his breath monologuing about his plans for his opposition. He has no underlings or associates, trusting no one with his origins or motivation. He has a score to settle with the celestial sisters, and yet he chooses to ignore them and go for the crystal kingdom. Why? What importance does it hold to him? Though I have a feeling that may be revealed soon enough, I don’t really think it will be of his own volition. Metaphorically speaking, he’s always been a shadow; nothing more than a veil of darkness across the land.

Also, this:

Nov 12, 2012 at 05:38AM EST
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Okay, a quick hypothetical. Nothing to damn or redeem Sombra, just a whimsical thought…

What if… Sombra is some kind of manifestation of pony-kind’s envision-age of a tyrant?

One could make a similar case for Discord; he could be what pony-kind envisions… Well… Discord to be.

Think about it, both have exaggerated designs; as if a bunch of kids got together and scribbled up a design in a notebook, before giving it to the art major to make it look “nicer”.

The fact that Discord has a weird and interesting personality would be therefore a facet of most ponies having a firm grip of what Discord represents: The Destruction of Order, Cooperation Friendship, and Stability.

The fact of Sombra not being developed would therefore mean that no-pony really has ever been acquainted very well with what “Tyranny” is; only knowing that they take over and do bad things like enslave races, psychologically torture ponies, and kill those that get in their way. And that would be why he may seem “Mysterious”. Especially since few ever get to know the real motives of real tyrants.

In which case, as events conspire to develop ponies intimate understanding of what “Tyranny” is, such as through things Trixie may do; Sombra will become stronger, and his character more developed.

In fact… If this theory is right, then by all rights, his return would be tied to the fact that Crysi Tried to take over Canterlot… But seeing as only a few ponies in Canterlot know their motives, Sombra returned as a mere caricature of his true self. This theory would mirror how Discord returned when the CMC went all argumentative.

Let that stew for a minute.

Nov 12, 2012 at 07:30AM EST
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Hey. Hey guys.

I have something to say.
It’ll be very long, but I’ve been thinking on saying this for a million years already.
It’s probably going to take some time to type. Maybe even days.

Do you mind?
I’m asking it because it’s going to be an opinion. And we all know how much people can argue about opinions.

(Yes, it IS about pony. This is why I’m posting this here, in case you didn’t notice.)

Nov 12, 2012 at 07:40AM EST
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MisterDude1337 the Stickman wrote:

Hey. Hey guys.

I have something to say.
It’ll be very long, but I’ve been thinking on saying this for a million years already.
It’s probably going to take some time to type. Maybe even days.

Do you mind?
I’m asking it because it’s going to be an opinion. And we all know how much people can argue about opinions.

(Yes, it IS about pony. This is why I’m posting this here, in case you didn’t notice.)

It’s probably fine to say. Most people come to the internet to vent opinions. We actually enjoy disagreeing as much as agreeing.

…Provided nobody means any offense that is.

So go ahead. I doubt you’re going to be trying to say anything we’ll take too badly, especially when you’re clearly saying its an Opinion.

I think all we can really hope to have is opinions anyways. We just need to have a good talk about them in order to figure out which ones we want to espouse.

P.S. If it will take a long time, post it in chunks if you have to, and refer/link back to previous parts when necessary.

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Nov 12, 2012 at 08:07AM EST
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I need to unsubscribe from this thread because my email is being flooded with notifications. But I found this image kind of funny, so I might as well share it.

Nov 12, 2012 at 08:16AM EST
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Lunar Protege wrote:

It’s probably fine to say. Most people come to the internet to vent opinions. We actually enjoy disagreeing as much as agreeing.

…Provided nobody means any offense that is.

So go ahead. I doubt you’re going to be trying to say anything we’ll take too badly, especially when you’re clearly saying its an Opinion.

I think all we can really hope to have is opinions anyways. We just need to have a good talk about them in order to figure out which ones we want to espouse.

P.S. If it will take a long time, post it in chunks if you have to, and refer/link back to previous parts when necessary.

Okay, fine. I’ll be writing it right now.
I’ll type it on a text editor to keep it safe until I finish it.

If anything goes wrong, though, please take in mind that I won’t care, since I’ll know that at least SOMEONE read it.

Also, I rather post everything in one go. I’ll try to avoid making it look like a “massive wall of text” as much as possible.

I’ll be back when I’m done.

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Oh, and before I forget, it’s not actually going to be ONE opinion;
It’ll be more like several opinions mixed in one massive text.

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Nov 12, 2012 at 08:55AM EST
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@Jackal Latern

“Chrysalis is obviously the sexy one”

Damn straight


As for Sombra, I still hold that his first impression in the series wasn’t a very strong one. They’re going to have to do something amazing to reclaim any sort of epicness that the character has the potential to achieve

Now, Chrysalis, Discord, and NMM all were pretty menacing and big problems for Equestria. All three of them practically were just a hair close to completing their objectives until they were stopped. In short, they were worthy villains

Which makes me ask: what do you think can classify these villains? What kind of threat do they pose?

I’ll give three examples:



Vladimir Makarov

Let’s see:

>many terrorist acts already on his playbook

>slaughters hundreds of his own people AND successfully blames the U.S.A. for it and starts the Russo-American war.

>evades capture by Task Force 141 and Shepherd’s forces

>Manages to stay alive and get back on his feet nearly immediately after hiding

>Kidnapped the Russian President

>Convinced the Russians to invade Europe by a series of biological and coordinated attacks, starting WW3

>Successfully managed to survive an assassination attempt by being one step ahead of Price and Soap

>Stayed hidden for a year without being caught in Dubai


Cobra Commander

>Leader of the world’s deadliest Terrorist organization

>We don’t even know his real name, and he keeps his identity hidden under masks

>Constantly is able to evade capture by G.I. Joe

>Specializes in spectacular technologies that assist his forces in battle against the Joes

>Looks. Freaking. Awesome.


Galactus from Marvel

This is the guy I compare Sombra’s appearance to in the episode

>World eating force that devours the life energy of planets

>A god that existed before the Big Bang

>Yet again, he eats freaking planets

>Is nearly unstoppable

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Nov 12, 2012 at 09:27AM EST
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