Intergalactic Joe wrote:
If you’re not going to treat a chicken like it deserves equal rights because it’s living, why are you treating fetuses like they deserve rights, too?
First thing: In this sentence, you used the word “because” in this post. Either I misunderstand or this was poor phrasing on your part. To enunciate what I interpret your post to be saying: Chickens are living beings. Therefore, we should not treat them equally.
There’s another way to interpret this, though: Chickens are living, so we should give them rights.
(Punctuation can make ALL the difference.)
I also have an answer for that.
Yes, chickens are living beings. But, like Verbose said, they don’t have the same rights in Western (and, I should hope, all) society, not “because they’re living”, to quote you again, but because they’re chickens, to address your other argument. I do think that most people will agree that humans are not chickens, and if they disagree, then God help humanity. Point being, we don’t see chickens as being equal to us (for the most part). However, correct me if I’m wrong, but some people do believe in animal rights, no? From what I interpret the most extreme animal rights activists’ points to be, this means that we should treat animals more as people than as property, and that they should be entitled to possession of their lives and of aversion from suffering. So, there’s that, isn’t there? Essentially, there are people who do believe that other animals deserve to be treated equally and to be given rights, and there are people who aren’t quite as such. So I think that’s a flawed argument.
Second thing: I think this also depends on your definition of personhood. A fetus, needless to say, doesn’t have a say in their potential life. But take into account that, just as with animal rights, there are people who do believe that fetuses deserve rights. I know that that isn’t your point, but I’m going somewhere with this. People who believe that fetuses do deserve rights are logically less likely to abort, or to support abortion. People who believe that fetuses deserve rights tend to be pro-life. People who are pro-life tend to believe that personhood starts early on in conception, and thus tend to believe that abortion is murder. When a person believes personhood begins is a very crucial part in determining their stance on abortion. Thus, I believe that whether or not a fetus “deserves rights” is dependent on when, from the point of view of the person looking at the issue, personhood begins.
I believe that personhood begins in the later stages. Logically, a person is a person when they can be recognized as a person (by my definition). People deserve rights, regardless of their age. So, when a fetus enters personhood, I think that that is when they deserve rights. This is just my point of view, though. As I stated earlier, abortion is not murder before the fetus reaches personhood. And the fetus doesn’t have a say in the matter anyway. So, this leads me to arrive at the conclusion that before personhood, the fetus doesn’t need equal rights, because the fetus is not a “person” yet. But there are people who will disagree with me, obviously.
Overall, quite a shallow argument, as Verbose said.
I mean, what if YOU were a chicken? How would YOU feel getting your head chopped off, am I right?
I don’t know how I would feel.
How would YOU feel? Are chickens intelligent enough to know that their heads are going to be chopped off? And I assume the process wouldn’t be very painful.
And yet, people disagree with PETA all the time about treating animals like humans, because animals are fuckin’ delicious!
(I’m addressing your points all out of order, based on priority to my interests.)
Yeah, like Crimson Locks said, it’s not only meat eaters that disagree with PETA. Not only that, but animals “being delicious” isn’t the only reason that people could have for not supporting or disagreeing with PETA. I dislike their obnoxious attitude and I don’t think their agenda makes very much sense, so I don’t support them.
Once again, a very shallow argument.
omg don’t muder this humn biengs its inuhman! htis is a humna!
Don’t be a dick, dude.