"Not any later than Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or indeed Israel. They’re all new nations. The idea for a Palestinian"
Most of these nations also didn't exist beforehand, only difference was there weren't Jews who also wanted independence.
but it doesn't matter because both the Palestinian Arabs and the Jews could live perfectly at peace, but the latter didn't tolerate having another nation living in the same land.
"Which is untrue because Hajj Amin al-Husayni and Aref al-Aref were each sentenced to 10 years in Prison and the British Police killed 4 Arabs."
which is laughable because they were released shortly afterwards as part of the peace negotiations with Hitler and to pacify the Arabs in Palestine. and killing 4 Arabs compared to the hundreds they murdered is also pathetic.
And on the other hand, Haganah members who defended the Jewish neighborhoods from arab criminals were arrested and sentenced to jail, just to further prove that the British were bent to the arabs.
"arabs were not allowed weapons either, the British are the ones that had guns."
that didn't stop them from acquiring them and using them against innocent people. and even without guns they were deadly, it's not so hard to break into someone's house and stab all the residents to death.
it is being done to this day.
" I can just as easily bring up the fact that In the wake of the 1920 riots"
1920 was just the mere beginning , there were also riots in 1921
and back then there were still many Arab factions that protested against this blind hatred.
by 1929 all these factions were erased when the Hussein tribe rose to power, and put the bloody crusade against the Jews as a banner.
and you didn't bring any evidence to counter the horrid massacre in Hebron – once a thriving community of co-existence – and then all of it's Jews -who intentionally declined having Haganah troops protecting them to avoid the arabs' discomfort – were slaughtered and forced out of the town.
That was the Arabs peaceful intentions.
just because the British did a bad job representing them in their council doesn't give them the bloody right to start killing innocent people right and left.
"But isn't that what Israel is doing? Refusing to let Arab Refugees back to their land that they lived on for generations while letting Jews from Eastern Europe into Israel with a free citizenship?"
this is laughable. there is no point of comparison between the two.
A. Palestine was a barren country and was almost empty. anyone could settle in, now israel is a heavily populated state and cannot accept 3 million people out of the blue.
Palestine did not belong to any nation so ANYONE could migrate there but only the jews had quotas because of the British' fear from the arabs.
B.the Jews were persecuted all over the damn world, and when hitler rose to power and started kicking Jews out they didn't give a single crap, they had a solid reason to go to palestine.
the refugees can easily go anywhere.
C. Jews were victims of global persecution. palastinan refugees were a result of a war they brought upon themselves. most of these refugees fled simply because they were sure the arabs will kill all the jews and they could easily avoid the war while still being able to come back for the spoils.
and on another note, after WW2 there were millions of refguees everywhere. however in a few years they all found a new place
why wasn't the same done with the palastinan refugees?
because all of the Arab nations didn't allow them in. in a very effective way immortalizing the refugee problem in an attempt to demonize and undermine Israel's stand
"The Peel Commission would force thousands of Arabs off their land. Much Much More Arabs would have to move in comparison to Jews.
Also, the issue of Jerusalem was unresolved in the commission"
THAT. right here. is the most laughable statement in the whole argument.
where do i even begin?
first of all, the Jews were to get a tiny strip of land on the coast of the great sea. the area consisted almost entirely of Jews, barely any arabs had to be moved.
second. this is a completely illegitimate reason to decline the treaty. peace was promised, the Arabs in Palestine would finally get independence.
did they seriously throw this all away just because a few of them had to be misplaced?
this just proves how the arabs' refusal to have peace.
third, that about the jewish people that had to be misplaced? it doesn't matter they were less compared to the arabs, they were also people that had to be moved away.
and furthermore. if that is a legitimate to decline. why should israel be any better? israel has nearly a million settlers beyond the green line. if the arabs refused to move some of their own away to achieve peace then it's completely legitimate for israel to refuse to kick out all their people.
"Did you know that Zionist leader Ze’ev Jabotinsky was Mussolini’s friend? He even set up a Jewish naval base in Italy that trained the future commanders of the Israeli Navy"
only Ze'ev completely cut-off all the relations with him as soon as he discovered his real intentions
and back then.
"I’ve constantly explained why the 1947 partition plan wasa bad idea:
1. Jews were given 56% of the land, despite forming only 33% of the population
2. The Arabs received 45% of the land despite forming 60% of the population.
3. 45% of all Arabs lived in land that would be Jewish.
4. Much of the land given to the Arabs was unfit for agriculture.
5. It was completely adhoc. The Arabs had 3 separate land pieces and the Jews had two. It would never work."
it could easily work if the arabs didn't obsess over destroying the jews.
first, it was decided by the UN.
second, the arab's land were very fit for farming. they had jehuda and samaria, which were fertile green lands while most of the Jews' land consisted of the barren negev. they also had the north but that was a tiny strip of land.
the jews also got terrible conditions, but they celebrated their independence despite all that.
at any case they could negotiate with the jews over it and not start a bloody conflict.
"Which is not really much different from the Irgun or the many of the policies that Israel continues to practice today"
oh wow, now you are really starting to lose your credibility. did you just seriously compare a group who defended their people to a bunch of bloodthirsty criminals that consider murder of innocents and plunder as heroism?
oh sure, the Irgun did some of this too eventually, but on a much smaller scale and only out of the bitterness and desperateness of seeing their loved ones slaughtered and nothing done about it. but you don't seem to sympathy with them from some reason even though you do so with the Arabs.
"Arafat complied with all the rules of the Oslo Accords and got jack shit."
oh really? i see about 2000 murdered Jews saying it's complete nonsense
the only thing the Oslo agreement did was to stir the arabs even more and cause them to be more volitille despite the fact that they got their own autonomy and that the IDF withdrew from many places in the west bank.
"Which is a bold face lie.
Israel doesn't allow boats or planes into Gaza. Gaza has had restrictions placed on it since 1991, WAAY before Hamas was ruling the territory and Infrastructure and power generation are in the control of Israel. Movement between the West Bank and Gaza is heavily restricted."
and again, why? for fun? no! because terrorists come out of there to kill innocent people!
israel very falsely hoped that by withdrawing from the west bank they could soften the ruling groups there and open up friendly negotiations.
none of that happened.
they instead preferred to rain Israel down with rockets despite having complete independence there.
Yasser Arafat complied with all the rules of the Oslo Accords and got jack shit. Fatah sit in the West Bank drawing up negotiation after negotiation but Israel ignores them . Saeb Erekat, chief negotiator of the PA even wanted to give Israel all of Jerusalem but Israel refused. Why? Because they don’t threaten Israel and Israel continues to gobble up the West Bank."
except to this day they put outrageous requirements just to even start negotiating and actively refuse to admit that Israel has the right to exist as a state of the Jewish people and refuse to and put end to the terrorism.
in the past decade there were very left wing groups ruling israel that were willing to give a lot to achieve peace.
the Arab side always blew up the negotiation with something new and outrageous that israel couldn't accept.
