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Itunes 11

Last posted Dec 07, 2012 at 04:55AM EST. Added Nov 30, 2012 at 11:33AM EST
41 posts from 23 users

When I saw the GUI this morning, I thought to myself “Well, I’m done”. Good work, Apple. You’ve finally managed to get me off iTunes, something that’s been a long time coming.

Personally, I can’t stand any of the iTunes programs.

They’re all sluggish as fuck and rarely have any incredible functionality that I can’t get elsewhere.

At the moment I’m using an Xch4nge skinned Foobar.

It takes about 3 seconds to load into and is faster and has better customizability (and with that functionality) than iTunes.

Pic related, my Foobar:

itunes 11 – absolutely terrible.

  • Slow and sluggish access to the store over a broadband connection (always been like this)
  • New interface sucks (not used to it – stop changing stuff that worked)
  • No workaround for the useless drivers and software (yet) (was possible in itunes 10 to download only specific packages and remove anything not being used)

0/10 not going to use at all.

I stopped saying “No” to all of Apple’s “upgrades” a long time ago. I love my iPod, but iTunes is just a major pain to use and makes everything a thousand times more complicated than it should be,

I just updated, and immediately I’m regretting it. Before, I had my music separated into ‘electronica’, and ‘everything else’, and within each of those playlists I had everything arranged by album according to date of release, under artists by alphabetical order. That might sound a little overly complicated, but it meant that I knew exactly where to look to find a particular song or artist. That functionality is still included, but in order to see things like that I have to deal with an incredibly unattractive list of songs which seems to stretch on forever. Beforehand, I could at least see album covers, which broke up the list, made it easy to navigate, and made everything somewhat attractive. Now it’s just depressing. It seems like they aimed this update towards people who like having a pretty GUI, and don’t care much about customisation (something found much too often in modern systems, with Windows 8 being the worst example).

I’m with opspe here, this update has driven me away from iTunes. Anyone know of any decent alternatives?

I don’t think I’ll be updating to iTunes 11 anytime soon. Unlike some users here, though, I’m not sure if I’m altogether finished with iTunes, although I can easily see reasons why that might be the case for you. As a matter of fact, actually, I’m still on iTunes 9.

I don’t want to update it because I like the “Home Share” feature a decent amount, and the Genius Mixes and iTunes LPs were both also added to the pretty big update. It still works perfectly fine for me, and I don’t see why I should update it. I don’t have very much reason to use iTunes as it is, mainly because I can just use other services like Pandora, Grooveshark and Spotify when I want to listen to music. I’d also rather just subscribe to podcasts over getting songs on iTunes.

I don’t listen to music extremely often anyway. If I did buy everything I listened to on iTunes, it would be rather a waste of money for me, because I wouldn’t listen to what I bought very often anyway. Most of the music I listen to I don’t get charged for access to, and I would definitely prefer to keep it that way.

I dislike music videos too, and I’m not going to spend any money on those.

If it’s movies and television shows that we’re talking about, I already have Netflix, Hulu Plus and Amazon Instant Video, and I’m perfectly happy with those three services, so I never go into the iTunes video library.

I’ve been following iTunes 11 and its developments as much as the next guy, and I don’t think I’ll update anytime soon, like I said earlier. My relatively small iTunes library is fine as it is.

Of course, I’d be open to using alternatives if anybody has them. For example, that system Chris is currently using might be something I have to take a look into.

FudgeGruck wrote:

I’ve hated iTunes since forever. To me, it’s just not a good service. If I ever need music for anything, I usually just download MP3s out of Youtube.

But what about the artists?

ZillieZephyr wrote:

But what about the artists?

My personal philosophy is that if you put out art for the world to see, It’s meant to be shown to the people, not at a price, but for free. If people pirated music or a movie I made, I’d be fine with it.

FudgeGruck wrote:

My personal philosophy is that if you put out art for the world to see, It’s meant to be shown to the people, not at a price, but for free. If people pirated music or a movie I made, I’d be fine with it.

That sounds great in theory, but some people have to earn a living by making movies or music. If the world at large suddenly decided that all art-forms should be freely available to the public, those art-forms would rapidly decrease in quality and quantity. I don’t know of anybody who’d be willing to pay millions out of their own pocket in order to fund the production of a movie, without any prospect of earning something back from that investment. When it comes to very rich musical acts, I don’t mind if a few people are pirating their work (it’s not like big record labels need any more money than they already have), but a lot of small artists barely even manage to get by through their music. Their few fans who are willing to pay may be their only source of income, and it’s kind of unfair to take that from them.

/rant

Anyways, getting back on topic, I just switched from iTunes 11 to Songbird, and it looks very similar to the old iTunes. It automatically imports your iTunes library, complete with any formatting. It’s also a lot more customisable, so overall I’m calling this a massive improvement. I think I’ll only be using iTunes for the iTunes Store from now on.

>updates iTunes
>actually kind of like it


Besides the loss of the show album art when sorted by song and sort by artist by year, I like some of the new features. Dunno, I just get used to new things quickly I guess. Change doesn’t affect me.

Last edited Dec 02, 2012 at 03:29PM EST

Katie C. wrote:

Take the advice on my wall. Don’t download the new iTunes.

Yes, because we’re all definitely going to go to your wall to look at that.

Because it’s the jumpinest joint on the block.

The new interface is much cleaner and nicer. The contrast on the new icon is also an upgrade, and the features they killed off are rarely used. It doesn’t matter though, because people will still bitch about it anyway.

Okay, here are some clarifications. I see a lot of you making incorrect statements regarding the visual and functional aspects of iTunes 11.


  • The sidebar is not dead. View > Show sidebar will display the classic sidebar interface.

  • Home Share is also not dead. It’s in the menu at the top left corner.

  • Genius playlist functionality isn’t dead. They consolidated it with Smart Playlist and made it less obnoxious.

  • Advanced sorting functionality is still present under the View menu.

  • “Album by Artist” view is still present. It’s now just “Artists,” but looks exactly the same.

I love the update, myself. Looks nice, less sluggish, and I LOVE the “Up Next” queue. I also love the Spotlight-like search. The simple search was less useful to me.

ZillieZephyr wrote:

But what about the artists?

Most of the money goes to the record label, which doesn’t do shit in regards to making music.

There are a lot of musicians these days that are trying to go it alone without the labels and they’re succeeding, or the musicians have their own labels. Many musicians aren’t worried too much about file sharing, especially younger ones that stay away from the big labels. There are even artists that are pro-sharing and instead ask consumers to pay what they think is fair. Turns out there are plenty of people with plenty of money that are willing to overpay because it’s fair for them to do so.

Also, even Neil Young is pro-piracy, calling piracy “the new radio”.

Katie C. wrote:

Most of the money goes to the record label, which doesn’t do shit in regards to making music.

There are a lot of musicians these days that are trying to go it alone without the labels and they’re succeeding, or the musicians have their own labels. Many musicians aren’t worried too much about file sharing, especially younger ones that stay away from the big labels. There are even artists that are pro-sharing and instead ask consumers to pay what they think is fair. Turns out there are plenty of people with plenty of money that are willing to overpay because it’s fair for them to do so.

Also, even Neil Young is pro-piracy, calling piracy “the new radio”.

Sufjan Steven’s too.
You’re absolutely right, but there is one problem with this view. If an artists does not agree with piracy and music sharing and happens to be under a label, then is it really right for us to take from them? I feel like that’s a huge disrespect to the artist.

Katie C. wrote:

Most of the money goes to the record label, which doesn’t do shit in regards to making music.

There are a lot of musicians these days that are trying to go it alone without the labels and they’re succeeding, or the musicians have their own labels. Many musicians aren’t worried too much about file sharing, especially younger ones that stay away from the big labels. There are even artists that are pro-sharing and instead ask consumers to pay what they think is fair. Turns out there are plenty of people with plenty of money that are willing to overpay because it’s fair for them to do so.

Also, even Neil Young is pro-piracy, calling piracy “the new radio”.

But what about the poor record label executives, who can’t make money from their jobs because nobody wants to purchase music?

Katie C. wrote:

Ok, downloaded the new iTunes. It’s faster, but the GUI is a pain in the ass.
So…kind of pointless.

Hold up.

You put up a whole list of reasons why we shouldn’t download this product on your page when you hadn’t even tried it yet?

Fridge wrote:

Hold up.

You put up a whole list of reasons why we shouldn’t download this product on your page when you hadn’t even tried it yet?

I put “Don’t download the new iTunes” on my wall a long time ago, over a year ago. That’s because there’s always a new iTunes and you don’t need to download it.

You don’t need to download iTunes 11 either.

Katie C. wrote:

I put “Don’t download the new iTunes” on my wall a long time ago, over a year ago. That’s because there’s always a new iTunes and you don’t need to download it.

You don’t need to download iTunes 11 either.

You can’t just assume that it’s bad if you haven’t used it sufficiently. If you think people rely on your advice, you should at least give them the benefit of experience.

Fridge wrote:

You can’t just assume that it’s bad if you haven’t used it sufficiently. If you think people rely on your advice, you should at least give them the benefit of experience.

Fridge, I set that on there as a general rule for iTunes downloads in general over a year ago. Every week there’s a new iTunes and every single time there hasn’t really been any reason to download it.

But anyway, keeping up with all the updates is oftentimes a pain in the ass and they add stuff completely unnecessary that just slows everything down, it used to be that iTunes would just open, now it opens, then it has to update Genius, check the iTunes store, update playlists, contact Mars, raise shields, activate the atomic soundwave booster, scan for nuclear barracudas, etc.

I only ever used iTunes to upload my MP3s to my iPhone, never as a music player by itself. It always hogs system resources like a pig so I used other lighter programs to play music.

Even Windows Media Player is a decent alternative.

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