If a COMPLETE ban of guns happened, what would happen?
See, this is a place where I’m in near-complete agreement with pro-gun types. What’s the saying? “If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” While I have no interest in owning a gun myself, I feel a small amount of comfort in the fact someone who desires to perpetrate a crime against me has to gamble on the state of my gun ownership. (That came out pretty awkwardly, but hopefully got the point across.)
Coily the Snake wrote
And no, it’s not about control….actually it is, mainly about the government trying to control what you can and cannot do.
Sure, but guess what? That’s part of what government is there for.
Everyone knows that murder is illegal. Likewise, everyone knows that murder still happens. Does that mean there is no point in having laws against murder, and such laws are just “government trying to control”? I don’t think so. Such laws facilitate removing dangerous criminals from the public, and serve as somewhat of a deterrent, even if not 100% effective.
Crimson Locks wrote:
I don’t quite follow the logic in this.
I freely admit that on that point, it wasn’t about logic, but personal feelings. Let me take it to an extreme: Suppose I managed to get my hands of a nuclear warhead, and I kept it in my basement as a curiosity item. I don’t need it, I have no intention of using it, but I just feel it’s sort of cool to have one around. I don’t know what you feel, but that feels awfully nutty to me.
I can appreciate the US map. Karma for you.
But that’s a misleading graph.
This is why I’m always so keen to question statistics; even the points you make don’t quite hold up (sort of). I noticed that Wyoming, a state with very little urban population, had 73% of its murders involving guns. How do you explain that? Oh, wait, that’s 73% of a grand total of 15 homicides; not much of a sample set, is it?
There’s so much that’s not known about this data, and one of the difficult things to manage is a comparison with how “strict” gun laws are, since it’s not a simple sliding scale. Those of you who know which states have “stricter” gun controls might be able to suggest the correlation to:
- Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Michigan, which are the states with the highest rates of firearms murders. (all over 5 per 100,000 population)
- Maryland, Tennessee, and Georgia, which are the states with the highest rates of firearms robberies. (over 70 per 100,000)
- Tennessee, South Carolina, and Arkansas, which are the states with the highest rates of firearms assaults. (over 100 per 100,000)
- Hawaii, South Dakota, Rhode Island, New Hampshire, Montana, Iowa, Maine, and Washington, which are the states with the lowest percentages of firearms murders as % of all murders. (All under 50%)
If any one does think they have a source of some numerical value(s) that characterize gun law strictness per state, I’d love to run an analysis with such data appended to the data present here.