(Forgive the use of “women” being the victims in all of this. But in regards to the feminist approach I’m taking, I had to make statements that accept the fact that women are disadvantaged in today’s society and are often the object of rapes, even when men, girls, and boys are also raped.)
I’ll take OP up on his stance.
Why do people feel the need to absolve rape victims of all responsibility?
We should feel no need give rape victims of ANY responsibility.
Why does anyone have a desire to give rape victims responsibility?
We place it on rapists, because they must pay for their act. We must say they were responsible for the act in order to punish them. Such is justice.
Is justice granted any further by ascribing blame and/or responsibility to the victim. Absolutely not.
But if you’re asking my stance, simply, I agree. I cannot disagree. I have trouble understanding how anyone could logically disagree, especially with the way it way h0nkyt0nky presented it.
Now (despite other feminists never claiming me,) I consider myself a feminist. My parents were/are legitimately concerned about my sexuality, because issues related gender, sexual orientation, and gender roles are very interesting to me, and I can get quite passionate about them.
I think that most logical people like to absolve rape victims from responsibility mostly in hindsight. After being raped (in most cases we know of, having a person manipulate the most sensitive area of their bodies manipulated for their own pleasure/sense of power when you adamantly disapproved or simply could not consent,) there is nothing good that comes from saying “I told you so” to victims. Victims aren’t even considered in that equation anymore in practice. (That is important here: “in practice.”)
Many rape and molestation victims deal with symptoms similar to PTSD. Telling them that they were too careless, too loose, too flirtatious, or the like afterwards is beyond pouring salt in the wounds.
That’s why we never tell a victim personally that they were responsible (or you don’t if you have a heart for them anyway.)
Now when people get on broadcast media and say that women shouldn’t do certain things, you have to read the subtext. Is this person preaching, or are they appealing? Do you think they’re trying to balance blame, help the victim, or prevent any other instances from occurring?
You can’t take away the rape from the victim, so you’re likely either “blaming the victim” to some extent, or you’re trying to avoid any other instances or rape you can.
The only good thing you can do is to avoid any other instance. So in practice, placing responsibility on the victim is not something any decent person should ever do.
Unfortunately, people pull what they want from such mass messages.
As soon as you say that “You can help protect yourself” to women, other people who aren’t as caring as all of those who are discussing the matter here will take that to mean that women who are raped “asked for it” or that rapists should receive lessened punishment in those instances.
I don’t think anyone here is asking for that.
It’s too simple to say that rape will occur no matter what future/potential victims do.
In fact, if you say that, then I don’t think you’re doing feminism justice.
If rape will occur to women regardless of what women do, then you’re saying that women simply have no power in the situation in today’s society. Today’s society isn’t grand for women, but I don’t believe it’s that dire. Unless you want me to become sexist and say that those who subscribe to being women are powerless to prevent tragedy to ANY extent, then you must say that they can take responsibility for their own safety.
You absolutely must.
It is the point of most rapes that they occur not due to force, but because the victim could not consent due to being intoxicated.
Therefore, the rape would not have occurred had the victim been sober.
And unless the victim did not get him or herself drunk, then she made herself unable to consent.
As a feminist, I do not appreciate the stance that the woman has no power to prevent herself from being raped. If we say she has some power in the situation or to prevent the situation by decreasing the opportunities to be raped, then the logical and subsequent statement is that some situations of rape involve a victim who made decisions that presented more of an opportunity to be raped.
This is what I think OP is trying to say.
- If you rape a person (that is to say, you violate a person sexually without their consent,) then you deserve to go to prison. Period. Whatever point comes from this thread, let’s all please agree that this is a constant.
- As a person, you have to weigh what is more likely to occur to you, yourself in the world in which you live based upon the decisions you make.
There is a difference in practically being able to and being able to ideally. “Ought” and “Should.” We know this is not an ideal world, so in order to avoid bad situations in practice, you must avoid making decisions for an ideal world that we do not live in.
You may decide to get a bit tipsy at a party (heck, you almost have to in order to enjoy a setting where you can’t hear yourself think anyway.)
Is that OK?
You’re in your early twenties, and you want to present yourself as a hot, sexual being by wearing flattering clothes.
Is that OK?
You may not be able to get your friends to go to a party with that person you like, so you go it alone (heck, again, it’s almost impossible to not get separated at some point at a large party.)
Is it OK to go alone?
Do all of these attributes make rape a more likely event?
Absolutely. The fact can’t be avoided regardless of how ideal we want the world to be.
Nice post, OP. But I must say that once you get to the point of “victim,” there’s no point in blaming the victim unless you’re just caught up in the logic of it all.
Logic, in itself, is a cold, heartless thing put place above the social and psychological well-being of victimized women.