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KYM Pony General VII: Live Free or Twi Hard

Last posted Jul 06, 2014 at 04:08PM EDT. Added Apr 19, 2013 at 12:22AM EDT
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Blue Screen (of Death) wrote:

Suddenly….


@Fifths

That will be interesting. It was her legacy that drew in so much love for MLP in the beginning. I wonder if she can pull the same fanfare with her own film?

@ Blue
I deeply hope her film continues to play on this gem…

Jun 06, 2014 at 05:23AM EDT
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Platus wrote:

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Wait, seriously? All you guys are going to leave me hanging? Fine, I’ll take care of myself.

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Jun 06, 2014 at 10:05AM EDT
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@Platus

This is where reading books gets you, purplesmart.

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Jun 06, 2014 at 10:21AM EDT
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Platus wrote:

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No, why would you do that Platus?! Oh god….here they come!

Jun 06, 2014 at 02:00PM EDT
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Are we still doing bats?

No?

I don’t care.


These waifu charts get really awkward when your favorite characters are underage…

Awkward, but still adorable!

Also, just because it’s the topic that spawned these cute little things, I don’t like the ‘Doing harmful things’ meme.
In addition to the fact that they are just mindless weepy-fuel and are built around being unnecessarily hurtful toward characters for no real reason, 90% of them are just… bad.
With the exception of two that i can think of, there are just dozens and dozens that are all basically identical, just with a different character shoehorned in but with no change in personality.
Sorry, but if you smack Princess-goddamn-Luna in the face, she is not going to turn into a whimpering crybaby when you say you are breaking up with her.
Luna will simply break you.
That’s why the only two that I have ‘liked’ (in terms of them feeling at all accurate, not in terms of enjoyment) have been toward Rarity and Dashie because the artists actually bothered to give them the reactions I would pretty much expect from those characters.


@Attracting Bronies
It’s really a simple formula, people:

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Jun 06, 2014 at 11:06PM EDT
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Oh hey, speaking of which now that the season is over and we’ve all (EXCEPT FOR YOU CRASH!) seen all the episodes of the season. I guess it must come to the obligatory…….

WORST EPISODE THREAD

I’m going to have to say Simple Ways is my least favorite episode of the season…..I mean I really hate this episode. Every time I try to go back and watch it I just get this bad feeling that basically says “Don’t even try it.” and I listen to that feeling. I listen to it well, it’s seriously the only episode I’ve watched twice (barely made it through the second time.) it deals with one of my LEAST favorite tropes out there the whole ‘Changing absolutely everything about you to impress the one guy that’ll never show up again after this episode’ trope is definitely the one that I was really hoping they’d never tackle. Probably the only episode of the series that I only look up a single clip of and never watch the entire episode (Which would definitely be the Applejewel/Rarihick showdown at the end).

The Breezies episode may get a lot of flack but I can at least stomach getting through that episode.

Jun 07, 2014 at 03:51AM EDT
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Just when you thought the ABOMINATION was over… here comes… PART TWO OF MY SURVEY! PLEASE DO THE FIRST ONE FIRST. IT IS ON PAGE 191 NEAR THE BOTTOM.

ANYWAYS, THIS ONE IS LONG AND NOW IT’S EVEN MORE “LE WACKY RANDOM” (AND THEREFORE MORE OBNOXIOUS) THAN THE LAST ONE. It does not live up to the hype, but there’s no scales to rate things on a scale of one to ten this time, and you’ll need to use your brain and your mind and your head (maybe). 3 very different things.

SO, IF YOU’VE SUBMITTED A RESPONSE TO THE LAST ONE, YOU’RE READY TO GO!

CLICK THIS SENTENCE TO GET TO THE SURVEY AND ENJOY (OR DON’T ENJOY BECAUSE I’M NOT THE BOSS OF YOU)!

(P.S.: A results video for the first survey is rendered and will be uploaded before KYM Thread Simulator v3.0 lolcaps)

Jun 07, 2014 at 11:17AM EDT
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Did the survey.
But:

You can give one pony multiple ages, yet you can’t give multiple pones the same age. Neon, explain. Other than this small thingy, ’t was fun to fill in, like the previous one.

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Jun 07, 2014 at 12:27PM EDT
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Zorgenflarg wrote:

Did the survey.
But:

You can give one pony multiple ages, yet you can’t give multiple pones the same age. Neon, explain. Other than this small thingy, ’t was fun to fill in, like the previous one.

It seems I made the grid the wrong way around! Haha

I hope this doesn’t become too much of a problem when I look over the results, but if it does, I’ll put this question correctly into the next part of the survey.

Jun 07, 2014 at 01:10PM EDT
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@Worst episode?
Power Ponies! – The plot made no sense… “enchanted comic b- what?” which I could overlook if it took advantage of the superhero genre for which I’m a big fan, however they didn’t, and the comic-book style backgrounds didn’t help, it just made the animation look a little off. The only good part of the episode was Spike realizing how he just gets in the way most of the time.. This episode had a lot of potential but it turned the genre of superheroes into more of a novelty rather then a platform of good story telling.There are no episodes of MLP that I hate, but there are ones that I will never re-watch. This episode is one of them..

In short: Spike episode ‘shakes fist’.

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Jun 07, 2014 at 01:12PM EDT
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Dr Whooves wrote:

@Worst episode?
Power Ponies! – The plot made no sense… “enchanted comic b- what?” which I could overlook if it took advantage of the superhero genre for which I’m a big fan, however they didn’t, and the comic-book style backgrounds didn’t help, it just made the animation look a little off. The only good part of the episode was Spike realizing how he just gets in the way most of the time.. This episode had a lot of potential but it turned the genre of superheroes into more of a novelty rather then a platform of good story telling.There are no episodes of MLP that I hate, but there are ones that I will never re-watch. This episode is one of them..

In short: Spike episode ‘shakes fist’.

I was more pissed off because that episode was so overhyped by the Network as it was one of the clips Shown in a Storyboard at Comic-Con, when they started playing the Season 4 Promos most of the clips were of Power Ponies, when it was the week of the premiere of the episode they played NOTHING but clips for this episode which they only did for episodes like Pinkie Pride and Twilight’s Kingdom. Then in the end the episode just doesn’t deliver at all.

Jun 07, 2014 at 01:22PM EDT
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My least favorite episode this season was definitely It Aint Easy Being Breezies. It was a very forgettable episode. Normally when an episode was full of plotholes/wasn’t interesting I just forget it and move on with my life, but this had the unfortunate double whammy of being an episode many of us were excited for because breezies were mentioned in an earlier episode and being Fluttershy’s key episode. All of the other key episodes were pretty solid and left me satisfied, but this one had so many problems which is really depressing because I was probably looking forward to Fluttershy’s key episode the most.

Speaking of key episodes, how about we discuss our favorite episodes this season, shall we? Season 4 was a pretty solid season, and I hate dwelling on negative things. I think Pinkie Pride and Pinkie Apple Pie are the two big contenders for my season favorite. Hell, they just might be my favorite episodes of the entire series. Pinkie Pride was, as we all remember, the Weird Al episode. I was fairly skeptical of how this episode would play out, but Pinkie and Cheese’s characters work really well off of each other (I totally ship it). The episode was a huge joy to watch and I’ve watched it several times already. Pinkie Apple Pie was an episode with fantastic comedy, a great story that fleshes the characters out, and one of the best songs to date. I feel like this was an episode made for me. I’m not all that enthused about AJ by herself, but the Apple family when they’re together is one of my favorite parts of the show. They play off of each other so well and feel like an actual family. Add Pinkie into the mix and you’ve got one hell of an episode.

Jun 07, 2014 at 02:06PM EDT
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@Worst Episode
The Breezies. No doubt about that.

It’s pretty the only episode that I have a negative opinion. It’s more like a showcase of Flash skillz than actual good storytelling, and since MLP is all about friendship, the episode easily qualifies.


@Neon’s Survey


Well fuck.

Something’s wrong with the list: The values were inverted and thus I can’t select repeated age groups (ex: RD and Twi at 20)

But to fix this (and yeah Neon, I’m talkin to you), as of 2014 (+4 years after it’s debut)
Twi: 21
RD: 20
Flutters: 22
Pinkie: 21
AJ: 22
Rarity: 23

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Jun 08, 2014 at 03:39AM EDT
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Hey guys who wants to take too much time out of their day to order your favorite episodes from most favorite to least favorite? Because I know I didn’t but I had nothing better to do with the last half hour here so here you go!

1 2×07 May the Best Pet Win!
2 2×26 A Canterlot Wedding – Part 2
3 2×25 A Canterlot Wedding – Part 1
4 4×05 Flight to the Finish
5 2×18 A Friend in Deed
6 4×26 Twilight’s Kingdom – Part 2
7 4×25 Twilight’s Kingdom – Part 1
8 1×16 Sonic Rainboom
9 2×04 Luna Eclipsed
10 1×07 Dragonshy
11 1×08 Look Before You Sleep
12 1×17 Stare Master
13 4×04 Daring Don’t
14 4×10 Rainbow Falls
15 4×09 Pinkie Apple Pie
16 4×12 Pinkie Pride
17 2×14 The Last Roundup
18 2×20 It’s About Time
19 2×16 Read It and Weep
20 2×01 The Return of Harmony – Part 1
21 2×02 The Return of Harmony – Part 2
22 1×18 The Show Stoppers
23 2×03 Lesson Zero
24 1×26 The Best Night Ever
25 1×14 Suited for Success
26 2×09 Sweet and Elite
27 1×25 Party of One
28 2×05 Sisterhooves Social
29 1×11 Winter Wrap Up
30 4×08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
31 4×14 Filli Vanilli
32 4×07 Bats!
33 1×20 Green Isn’t Your Colour
34 1×22 A Bird in the Hoof
35 1×23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
36 1×19 A Dog and Pony Show
37 4×21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
38 4×18 Maud Pie
39 1×13 Fall Weather Friends
40 4×19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
41 4×22 Trade Ya!
42 4×03 Castle Mane-ia
43 3×06 Sleepless in Ponyville
44 2×22 Hurricane Fluttershy
45 4×02 Princess Twilight Sparkle – Part 2
46 4×01 Princess Twilight Sparkle – Part 1
47 4×11 Three’s A Crowd
48 1×09 Bridle Gossip
49 1×12 Call of the Cutie
50 1×01 Friendship is Magic – Part 1
51 1×05 Griffon the Brush-Off
52 1×04 Applebuck Season
53 1×10 Swarm of the Century
54 1×06 Boast Busters
55 2×17 Hearts and Hooves Day
56 2×13 Hearth’s Warming Eve
57 2×11 Family Appreciation Day
58 2×10 Secret of My Excess
59 2×06 The Cutie Pox
60 2×15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
61 Mx00 Equestria Girls
62 4×23 Inspiration Manifestation
63 4×20 Leap of Faith
63 4×24 Equestria Games
65 4×17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
66 2×19 Putting Your Hoof Down
67 1×21 Over a Barrel
68 1×24 Owl’s Well That Ends Well
69 1×03 The Ticket Master
70 1×02 Friendship is Magic – Part 2
71 3×13 Magical Mystery Cure
72 3×12 Games Ponies Play
73 3×11 Just for Sidekicks
74 3×01 The Crystal Empire – Part 1
75 3×02 The Crystal Empire – Part 2
76 2×23 Ponyville Confidential
77 2×12 Baby Cakes
78 1×15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
79 3×07 Wonderbolts Academy
80 3×08 Apple Family Reunion
81 2×24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
82 3×05 Magic Duel
83 3×04 One Bad Apple
84 2×21 Dragon Quest
85 3×10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
86 4×06 Power Ponies
87 4×16 It Ain’t Easy Being Breezies
88 4×15 Twilight Time
89 3×03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
90 3×09 Spike at Your Service
91 2×08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
92 4×13 Simple Ways

Man, Dat Bottom 10. Didn’t realize I had Twilight Time so low on the list, didn’t think it was that bad. I guess I just didn’t think it was better than most episodes. And it looks like Simple Ways actually knocked Mysterious Mare Do Well off my least favorite episode. When it came down to it….I actually watch Mysterious Mare Do Well if it’s the only episode of My Little Pony to watch that day.

Jun 08, 2014 at 04:46AM EDT
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@Episode Filter

Rank Episode
1 1×16 Sonic Rainboom
2 4×26 Twilight’s Kingdom – Part 2
3 4×25 Twilight’s Kingdom – Part 1
4 4×04 Daring Don’t
5 4×10 Rainbow Falls
6 4×13 Simple Ways
7 4×08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
7 4×14 Filli Vanilli
7 4×15 Twilight Time
10 4×06 Power Ponies
10 4×12 Pinkie Pride
12 4×07 Bats!
13 4×11 Three’s A Crowd
14 3×03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
15 4×03 Castle Mane-ia
16 3×04 One Bad Apple
17 4×02 Princess Twilight Sparkle – Part 2
18 3×02 The Crystal Empire – Part 2
19 2×16 Read It and Weep
20 2×15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
21 4×09 Pinkie Apple Pie
22 2×08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
23 1×12 Call of the Cutie
24 2×20 It’s About Time
25 2×03 Lesson Zero
26 2×09 Sweet and Elite
27 1×20 Green Isn’t Your Colour
28 2×19 Putting Your Hoof Down
29 3×07 Wonderbolts Academy
29 3×08 Apple Family Reunion
31 1×05 Griffon the Brush-Off
32 1×17 Stare Master
33 1×18 The Show Stoppers
34 2×24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
35 1×03 The Ticket Master
36 2×04 Luna Eclipsed
37 Mx00 Equestria Girls
38 2×12 Baby Cakes
39 1×15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
40 4×05 Flight to the Finish
41 1×09 Bridle Gossip
42 2×10 Secret of My Excess
43 4×22 Trade Ya!
44 4×24 Equestria Games
45 4×19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
46 4×21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
47 4×17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
48 2×06 The Cutie Pox
49 4×23 Inspiration Manifestation
50 4×18 Maud Pie
51 4×20 Leap of Faith
52 2×23 Ponyville Confidential
53 3×09 Spike at Your Service
54 2×02 The Return of Harmony – Part 2
55 1×23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
56 1×22 A Bird in the Hoof
57 2×22 Hurricane Fluttershy
58 3×13 Magical Mystery Cure
59 4×01 Princess Twilight Sparkle – Part 1
60 2×26 A Canterlot Wedding – Part 2
61 2×05 Sisterhooves Social
62 1×10 Swarm of the Century
63 4×16 It Ain’t Easy Being Breezies
64 3×12 Games Ponies Play
65 1×08 Look Before You Sleep
66 3×01 The Crystal Empire – Part 1
67 2×17 Hearts and Hooves Day
68 3×10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
68 3×11 Just for Sidekicks
70 2×25 A Canterlot Wedding – Part 1
71 2×21 Dragon Quest
72 1×02 Friendship is Magic – Part 2
73 1×13 Fall Weather Friends
73 1×14 Suited for Success
75 2×14 The Last Roundup
75 3×06 Sleepless in Ponyville
77 1×25 Party of One
77 3×05 Magic Duel
79 2×11 Family Appreciation Day
80 1×24 Owl’s Well That Ends Well
81 2×18 A Friend in Deed
82 1×07 Dragonshy
83 1×21 Over a Barrel
83 2×13 Hearth’s Warming Eve
85 1×04 Applebuck Season
85 2×07 May the Best Pet Win!
87 1×19 A Dog and Pony Show
87 2×01 The Return of Harmony – Part 1
89 1×26 The Best Night Ever
90 1×06 Boast Busters
91 1×11 Winter Wrap Up
92 1×01 Friendship is Magic – Part 1

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Jun 08, 2014 at 05:27AM EDT
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@Episode Filter

1 2×04 Luna Eclipsed
2 4×18 Maud Pie
3 2×01 The Return of Harmony – Part 1
4 2×02 The Return of Harmony – Part 2
5 1×01 Friendship is Magic – Part 1
6 1×02 Friendship is Magic – Part 2
7 2×03 Lesson Zero
8 1×07 Dragonshy
9 4×24 Equestria Games
10 1×10 Swarm of the Century
11 4×26 Twilight’s Kingdom – Part 2
12 4×22 Trade Ya!
13 3×07 Wonderbolts Academy
14 2×22 Hurricane Fluttershy
15 4×04 Daring Don’t
16 3×05 Magic Duel
17 3×10 Keep Calm and Flutter On
18 4×01 Princess Twilight Sparkle – Part 1
19 4×02 Princess Twilight Sparkle – Part 2
20 4×08 Rarity Takes Manehattan
21 4×07 Bats!
22 4×09 Pinkie Apple Pie
23 2×21 Dragon Quest
24 3×03 Too Many Pinkie Pies
25 2×25 A Canterlot Wedding – Part 1
26 3×01 The Crystal Empire – Part 1
27 3×02 The Crystal Empire – Part 2
28 4×16 It Ain’t Easy Being Breezies
29 1×21 Over a Barrel
30 1×06 Boast Busters
31 1×16 Sonic Rainboom
32 1×17 Stare Master
33 1×15 Feeling Pinkie Keen
34 3×08 Apple Family Reunion
35 4×12 Pinkie Pride
36 3×13 Magical Mystery Cure
37 1×09 Bridle Gossip
38 4×05 Flight to the Finish
39 4×03 Castle Mane-ia
40 1×14 Suited for Success
41 1×04 Applebuck Season
42 1×11 Winter Wrap Up
43 4×06 Power Ponies
44 1×03 The Ticket Master
45 1×05 Griffon the Brush-Off
46 3×11 Just for Sidekicks
47 2×19 Putting Your Hoof Down
48 1×25 Party of One
49 2×08 The Mysterious Mare Do Well
50 2×09 Sweet and Elite
51 2×06 The Cutie Pox
52 2×05 Sisterhooves Social
53 2×16 Read It and Weep
54 1×08 Look Before You Sleep
55 3×04 One Bad Apple
56 1×26 The Best Night Ever
57 1×24 Owl’s Well That Ends Well
58 4×19 For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils
59 1×20 Green Isn’t Your Colour
60 2×23 Ponyville Confidential
61 2×10 Secret of My Excess
62 2×07 May the Best Pet Win!
63 2×15 The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000
64 2×14 The Last Roundup
65 2×13 Hearth’s Warming Eve
66 1×12 Call of the Cutie
67 4×11 Three’s A Crowd
68 3×06 Sleepless in Ponyville
69 4×10 Rainbow Falls
70 1×19 A Dog and Pony Show
71 4×17 Somepony to Watch Over Me
72 2×11 Family Appreciation Day
73 1×23 The Cutie Mark Chronicles
74 2×20 It’s About Time
75 1×18 The Show Stoppers
76 2×17 Hearts and Hooves Day
77 2×18 A Friend in Deed
78 1×22 A Bird in the Hoof
79 2×12 Baby Cakes
80 1×13 Fall Weather Friends
81 3×09 Spike at Your Service
82 4×20 Leap of Faith
83 2×24 MMMystery on the Friendship Express
84 2×26 A Canterlot Wedding – Part 2
85 3×12 Games Ponies Play
86 4×13 Simple Ways
87 4×23 Inspiration Manifestation
88 4×25 Twilight’s Kingdom – Part 1
89 4×21 Testing Testing 1, 2, 3
90 4×15 Twilight Time
91 4×14 Filli Vanilli
92 Mx00 Equestria Girls

Note: For some reason Canterlot wedding P2 is way down the bottom, even though Canterlot wedding P1 is much higher up. I think I dun goofed the sorting there. I liked Canterlot Wedding

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Jun 08, 2014 at 10:49AM EDT
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Zorgenflarg wrote:

Did the survey.
But:

You can give one pony multiple ages, yet you can’t give multiple pones the same age. Neon, explain. Other than this small thingy, ’t was fun to fill in, like the previous one.

Just gonna say it here (as of June 2014):

Twily: 21
Pinks: 23
Dashie: 20
Flutters: 24
Rarara: 23
Applepone: 22


@Worst Episode: Just For Sidekicks is boring, unfunny, and just plain awful. The only redeeming quality was how they made it happen alongside Equestria Games, which I found pretty neat.

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Jun 08, 2014 at 01:04PM EDT
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@Worst episode

You know, I couldn’t even tell you if I wanted. I’m sure it’s somewhere in season 4, but the entire season has been such a bland and hazy miasma of unmemorable events that I find it difficult to pick a single episode that can be called worst. They all just blend together into a stew of general disappointment for me.

Jun 08, 2014 at 02:28PM EDT
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I got bored, so I made a thing:
Feeling Small?
Combining the largest and smallest plushies I own into one stupid comic for dorks.
Yay!


@Worst Episode
I really don’t enjoy dwelling on the negative, but if I had to pick something from this season, the Equestria Games episode where they basically wasted the whole multi-season build up on a Spike episode was the only time I can recall being explicitly disappointed at the end.
But even in that case, I thought it was a decent episode, just not good enough to warrant what it preceded.

Overall, I was actually pretty happy with this season.
It may not have been as memorable as the first and second, but it was substantially better than the rushed and compressed third.

Anyway…
Forget the bad ones.
Why not just focus on the awesome ones?


@Songs
I’ll also say that I’m really liking the songs from this season, even the ones that I wasn’t too hot on the first time around.
Pretty much all of Pinkie Pride is really fun and Filli Vanilli’s quartet song has really grown on me as well.
Add in the Crusaders’ flag march and the insanely catchy Apple family song and Ingram put in some solid work last year!

Also, if anyone is interested, this is a map of the time signature for Discord’s song:

I’d say that’s appropriately chaotic.

Jun 10, 2014 at 05:00AM EDT
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@Worst episode of S4
For me, it’s a tie between Power Ponies and Daring Don’t. Both for essentially the same reason of it just not fitting in with the show. The superhero plot was poorly done and cliche--they had some great opportunities to parody the comic genre and instead passed them by for some pretty obvious Spike shilling. Making Daring real opened up a can of continuity worms, including why she or her publisher haven’t been sued for libel yet by the real, still alive people she writes about and the fact there’s apparently a rainforest located several miles outside of the frozen Crystal Empire.

It was just a really poor decision to do either plots.

@Fifths optimism
I can’t believe it’s happened but someone is actually more cynical than /mlp/--even they enjoyed large parts of S4. The Mayans must have failed to accommodate the leap year or something.

Jun 10, 2014 at 07:20PM EDT
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@Worst episode discussion

Season four wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t great either. I found that it had a lot of boring episodes. Don’t get me wrong, there were a lot of enjoyable episodes as well. I didn’t think that the Breezies and Power Ponies were that bad honestly. Princess Twilight Sparkle parts one and two are the only two episodes this season that I watched more than once. I think I’ll re-watch season four to get a better idea on what I think of it. I don’t wanna think of season four as “the boring season”.

Season one is probably my favorite season, even though season two has most of my favorite episodes. I used to hate season three, but as time went on I don’t have that same emotion towards it. Then again, it’s been a while since I re-watched seasons one two and three.

Jun 10, 2014 at 08:35PM EDT
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I feel like the only one that kinda like the Breezies episode.

Then again, I also wasn’t fond of some episodes that other people really liked. So maybe that’s just my hipster side talking

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Jun 11, 2014 at 03:44AM EDT
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Blue Screen (of Death) wrote:

I feel like the only one that kinda like the Breezies episode.

Then again, I also wasn’t fond of some episodes that other people really liked. So maybe that’s just my hipster side talking

I also not-hated the Breezies episode. I mean, it wasn’t the high point of the season or anything, but I also found it relatively inoffensive.

Jun 11, 2014 at 04:02AM EDT
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@XTR
Yeah, basically.

They’re super tiny!


Hey, Egophiliac (creator of Woonastuck and Slice of Life) has started a new thing:

Mad scientist/steampunk Twilight who takes things too literally?
Yes, please!


+1 for Breezie a’ight-ness.
Any episode that includes an angry Swedish/Norwegian/Whatever-the-hell-accent-that-was guy is okay by me.

Jun 11, 2014 at 04:53AM EDT
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Felt like doing a cover of that lullaby from the Lovestruck Derpy tumblr.

Was originally going to add a few more bells and whistles, but then I remembered how incredibly lazy I am and decided just to do a quick and dirty live cover.

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Jun 12, 2014 at 06:45PM EDT
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@Most Not-Loved Episode

Wasn’t a big fan of Daring Don’t. It was just sort of meh to me. Not bad. Just meh. I would say Twilight Time was also pretty forgettable though.

That said, this is still my overall favorite season.

@Fifths

Also, that’s the first time I think I’ve seen what you look like IRL. Always interesting to put Internet names to faces.

Jun 12, 2014 at 10:28PM EDT
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@Fifths


Hey guys, I don’t think anyone here lives in or around Russia, do they?
Because I need to find these:

Most of them are just crystal-y variations of normal blindbags (which are pretty unique themselves), but I have never seen those molds for the CMCs and Fluttershy before and they look really cool.
…But they are apparently only sold in Russia and I can’t find more than four or five pictures even confirming their existence, much less allowing me to actually buy them.
They are crazy phantom ponies…
So has anybody seen these things before?


Episode Idea for Season 5:

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Jun 13, 2014 at 05:04AM EDT
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@Fifths

Fancy guitarwork. Your musical versatility with various instruments never ceases to impress

You should show that to the people who made the original animation, see what they think. I bet they’ll be ecstatic to their their work inspiring others.

Also, so that’s what you look like.


@DP

Isn’t there some Russian Bronies still around on KYM? I remember someone having that exact user name here and was literally a Russian Brony.


@unrelated

Art

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Jun 13, 2014 at 08:47AM EDT
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Man, hiatuses (hiati?) murder the thread. I take it no one wants to jump start things by talking about fanfics? I’m always up for some juicy Fimfiction drama.

Jun 14, 2014 at 06:59PM EDT
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xTSGx wrote:

Man, hiatuses (hiati?) murder the thread. I take it no one wants to jump start things by talking about fanfics? I’m always up for some juicy Fimfiction drama.

Maybe you should just chill a bit and figure out why everyone hates your argument in the guns thread.

Jun 14, 2014 at 07:49PM EDT

Fifths wrote:

Felt like doing a cover of that lullaby from the Lovestruck Derpy tumblr.

Was originally going to add a few more bells and whistles, but then I remembered how incredibly lazy I am and decided just to do a quick and dirty live cover.

This made my day. Thank you fifths.


Also,
DeadParrot wrote:

Episode Idea for Season 5:

Did you draw this? Because its friggin awesome.

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Jun 14, 2014 at 08:07PM EDT
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Aw, thanks for the warm reception of my song everyone. I know I’m not that great of a singer and my phone isn’t exactly the most high fidelity recording device, so thanks for no one complaining about my posting amateur footage of a yeti bellowing its mating call to the pony forum. :)

I did another quick and dirty cover for those who haven’t had enough caterwauling.

Not too bad I hope. I actually only just picked up a ukulele for the first time about an hour before recording this cover. It’s an amazingly easy instrument to jump onto if you know your way around the guitar.

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Jun 14, 2014 at 10:11PM EDT
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@Fifths

You learned to do that in an hour? Jeez. I tried learning to play the ukelele once….I failed miserably. After 2 months of struggling to understand how to strum I gave up. I think I’m only good at things within the realm of computers

Anyway I worked on that sketch you wanted me to vector. Here’s the current draft

I had a slight issue with the character looking like a mouse instead of a horse. I minorly adjusted the ears and snout to negate that appearance but I think I’d need to totally restructure the head to fully remove what I now cannot unsee.

To give you a tip fifths, note that in MLP, males have a longer squarer face. Stick with that archetype to help keep a pone look. You can have a look at my most recent vector to get an example of how to shape a head

Jun 15, 2014 at 04:52AM EDT
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@BSoD

Yeah, not everyone can be a musician. It takes a certain kind of intelligence, a certain…mm…how should one say…

finesse.

And would you mind replacing the cheaply scrawled treble clef on the hat with a more proper one?

You know I’ve had to draw hundreds of those twirly bastards in my life and not one of them has ever come out looking right.

Jun 15, 2014 at 03:29PM EDT
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Verbose said:

Maybe you should just chill a bit and figure out why everyone hates your argument in the guns thread.

>bringing in a topic unrelated to the pony thread

I thought we were here to talk about ponies and pony accessories, not other forum conversations? I suppose since there isn’t a “Meta General” we could expand the topic of this thread, but that would defeat the point of having a pony thread. On the note of on-topic conversations…

@Rumor mill
Started over on the friendly mill that cranks out 85% of the fandom’s flour rumors, /mlp/ is now of the opinion that the recent wave of C&D’s of Jan and others (who Hasbro thinks was using the assets) is caused by that leak of the Wonderbolt Academy assets last year. I find it interesting since it seems as though that falls into a legal black hole. The assets aren’t really covered by copyright law as they’re not “works,” but parts of the animation and they’re not covered by trademark law since they’re not used for goods or services.

It’s at least something in the midst of the hiatus (apparently, “hiatus” can also be used as a plural. Never knew that).

Jun 15, 2014 at 05:51PM EDT
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xTSGx wrote:

Verbose said:

Maybe you should just chill a bit and figure out why everyone hates your argument in the guns thread.

>bringing in a topic unrelated to the pony thread

I thought we were here to talk about ponies and pony accessories, not other forum conversations? I suppose since there isn’t a “Meta General” we could expand the topic of this thread, but that would defeat the point of having a pony thread. On the note of on-topic conversations…

@Rumor mill
Started over on the friendly mill that cranks out 85% of the fandom’s flour rumors, /mlp/ is now of the opinion that the recent wave of C&D’s of Jan and others (who Hasbro thinks was using the assets) is caused by that leak of the Wonderbolt Academy assets last year. I find it interesting since it seems as though that falls into a legal black hole. The assets aren’t really covered by copyright law as they’re not “works,” but parts of the animation and they’re not covered by trademark law since they’re not used for goods or services.

It’s at least something in the midst of the hiatus (apparently, “hiatus” can also be used as a plural. Never knew that).

Dud Y Dis Serius?

Jun 15, 2014 at 09:24PM EDT
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XTR09 said:

Dud Y Dis Serius?

I guess. I could link you to the /mlp/ and EQD threads if you don’t believe me. I could be wrong regarding the copyright/trademark thing, though. You know how horrible IP laws are.

I could hardly believe the hiatus plural thing myself.

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Jun 15, 2014 at 10:24PM EDT
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hello? i heard this is the place to post if i want to be a forum mod.

hello. i like the ponies.

Jun 15, 2014 at 10:45PM EDT
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xTSGx wrote:

Verbose said:

Maybe you should just chill a bit and figure out why everyone hates your argument in the guns thread.

>bringing in a topic unrelated to the pony thread

I thought we were here to talk about ponies and pony accessories, not other forum conversations? I suppose since there isn’t a “Meta General” we could expand the topic of this thread, but that would defeat the point of having a pony thread. On the note of on-topic conversations…

@Rumor mill
Started over on the friendly mill that cranks out 85% of the fandom’s flour rumors, /mlp/ is now of the opinion that the recent wave of C&D’s of Jan and others (who Hasbro thinks was using the assets) is caused by that leak of the Wonderbolt Academy assets last year. I find it interesting since it seems as though that falls into a legal black hole. The assets aren’t really covered by copyright law as they’re not “works,” but parts of the animation and they’re not covered by trademark law since they’re not used for goods or services.

It’s at least something in the midst of the hiatus (apparently, “hiatus” can also be used as a plural. Never knew that).

I’m in a Skype chat with pretty much every /mlp/ tripfag and Horse-News writer, and they’re basically just trying to lead a campaign to get people to stop using the DHX assets after a DHX employee (who’s also in the chat and helping with Super Smash ponies, albeit not much anymore; her contract recently got rewritten as a result of the leaks and she’s not allowed to be involved with fan projects) went into detail on the legal implications.

They’re doing the smart thing. Basically the problem with the leaks as that DHX is now much more suspicious of fan animations. Most Flash assets have watermarks built into them like intentional “animation errors” (a guy I know has “BELONGS TO [name] DONUT STEAL” written over his builds’ bodies in subtle text that only shows up if someone uses the fill tool on them), but even with this DHX will never be able to fully determine to what extent their builds are used in an animation. It’s commonly believed that Jan had access to DHX assets and based his own heavily off them, and that this resulted in a cease and desist letter. So with DHX unable to verify a hundred percent whether an animator used their assets, they’re going to flex their intellectual property rights and take down “show quality” animations simply out of the fear that their assets were involved. It’s a rational action to take, but not very good news for the fandom.

The problem is that they’ll never be able to convince everyone to abandon Hasbro’s builds. Anyone who frequents /mlp/ and has even a passing interest in animation has at least looked at those assets. A lot of people have used them in animations and probably more people have heavily based their own builds off of them, or at least made some modifications in hopes of making them less recognizable. So the concern is that Hasbro is going to have a knee-jerk reaction and delete fan animations left and right. Not only that, but if an animator is using DHX’s builds, they’re open to a lot more legal action than cease and desist letters. It’s highly unlikely a court will find using a company’s Flash assets for personal (or worse, commercial) use to be fair use or parody; the fear is that a court would rule Flash assets to be something along the lines of “trade secrets,” and even I’m not convinced that such a ruling would be incorrect. Hasbro will probably want to bury these builds and God knows how far they’ll go to do that.

And that’s worrisome. Even animators like me, who don’t really aspire for show quality animation (I like to try to capture the aesthetic of the show, but I don’t try to get my builds to look the same) could be at risk if Hasbro thinks we’ve in some way used their assets to our advantage.

Pone time. You guys don’t post Daring Do often enough, or at least not on the pages I visit.

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Jun 15, 2014 at 11:50PM EDT
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@Fifths’ cupcakes
You forgot the most important ingredient!


Muffinlicious wrote:

Did you draw this?


Ha, you think I can draw!
Here’s the source.


@Animation stuff
I was going to type out more, but Exudes beat me to it and said it all much better.
They are Hasbro’s assets so even if they aren’t explicitly covered by the terms of ‘copyright’ or ‘trademark,’ I’m sure they would have a legal justification for restricting their use.
‘Trade secrets’ sounds plausible as the way they built their puppets is a significant part of what allows them to do what they do.

I hadn’t heard about those watermarks before, but they make perfect sense as they will likely go unnoticed by someone using them without permission, but they will be instantly identifiable by those who made them.
Other industries do stuff like this all the time to prove (or really, deter) unauthorized use of work.
I remember hearing stories that early programmers for calculators would stick in specific special equations that would intentionally return a wrong answer so that if they typed it into another device and received the same response, they could immediately tell that their code was being used.
It’s a pretty clever little system.

I think that cases such as Exudes’ where the builds are much more stylized should be safe as I can’t see a court making a decision on something that abstracted from the original, but ‘show quality’ animators may see more scrutiny.
People calling it ‘the end of the fandom’ are obviously being hyperbolic, but it could have some ripples in the animation community for a little while.
(Honestly though, I think I enjoy the more stylized animators more. Even Jan wasn’t perfectly in line with DHX’s style and I always liked noticing the little bit of his own that he put in there.)


Some Andy Price, just because:

She tricked us all!

Jun 16, 2014 at 12:45AM EDT
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Captain Blubber said:

i like the ponies.

Then you are required to list your favorite pony before we can drain some of your blood for the cult ritual welcome you to the herd.

ExudesAffluence said:

…a DHX employee…

Is this a legit DHX employee or one of those “I work at DHX and can confirm the finale’s shit” employees?

Not only that, but if an animator is using DHX’s builds, they’re open to a lot more legal action than cease and desist letters.

That’s the thing I’m scratching my head over. What exactly would Hasbro sue them for? If a court rules it a “trade secret,” the copyright/trademark suit goes out the window as neither can be counted as a “trade secret.” It’s not exactly a secret if the thing’s publicly registered. It just doesn’t seem to me that something used in the animation process can be counted as failing under copyright and it’s absurd to think it falls under trademark.

There’s a part of me that wants someone to take on Hasbro and force their hand just to see what kind of a lawsuit they’d file and how the courts would handle it, and then there’s a much larger part of me that doesn’t want that to happen because the US court system’s shit and would most likely rule drawings in Flash that were quadrupedal fall under Hasbro’s IP.

Deadparrot222 said:

People calling it ‘the end of the fandom’ are obviously being hyperbolic…

Hiatus + minor shitstorm = people freaking out. Honestly, x + y = people freaking out, in this fandom. I don’t know if this is common for all the larger fandoms, but there seems to be higher panic ratio when involving ponies.

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Jun 16, 2014 at 02:01AM EDT
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Captain Blubber wrote:

hello? i heard this is the place to post if i want to be a forum mod.

hello. i like the ponies.

Hahaha

But seriously, why does everyone keep saying this now?


@Fifths

No problem. Anything else you want me to edit?

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Jun 16, 2014 at 03:05AM EDT
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@xTSGx
(Long, semi-coherent, 2 am post coming up)
That’s where things get a little more murky, legally speaking.
It definitely wouldn’t be a trademark/copyright issue, but it isn’t technically the art itself that is causing the problem.
Flash puppets are a lot more than just the individual pictures.
Exudes can certainly tell you more details, but a ton of work goes into stitching all those pieces together into a puppet that can be used by the animation team and it is essentially that production work that they are protecting.
Found a gif from when the leak first happened:

These Flash puppets contain all the assets for a pony from every angle, every standard expression, every… everything, really.
And, perhaps more importantly, it is all already prepackaged in and easy-to-use format.

I’m trying to come up with an analogy that works, but I’m actually just circling back around to the calculator thing I said earlier.
Obviously, no one can lay claim to all computer code capable of adding and subtracting numbers.
A second person could go out and create their own code completely from scratch if they wanted to and there would be no problem, but if you leave or just have a little signature nugget in your code that you are then able to find in other unrelated code, you can quite directly prove that that person stole from you.

Applied to animation puppets, plenty of people have created their own systems for animating ponies and these guys should have no problem on this front (well, besides the standard copyright/trademark stuff for the characters themselves), but, because Hasbro knows that their stuff is out there, they may want to take closer looks at fan projects.

I had never really noticed it before, but that little weirdness in the eye vector has shown up frequently in the show and is clearly an element of these puppets.
If some new animator popped on to the scene with very accurate puppets that also just so happened to have this glitch in them, it would be pretty obvious that they are using Hasbro’s materials.

Wait…
I think I lost my train of thought in here…
I’ll leave it because it’s late and I still like what I said, even if it wasn’t on the exact topic I was going for.
Okay, my real point was supposed to be about the idea of ‘trade secrets’ in this situation.
The Flash puppets function as a sort of production blueprint for the animators.
They are specially-made tools created specifically for DHX’s employees to do their jobs, creating these pony animations.
The specific methods that they use to achieve this could be considered a ‘trade secret’ of sorts, in a similar way that a food company’s ‘secret recipe’ could be.
Knowing the ingredients is fine (they write most of them on the packaging anyway), but the exact way they are mixed together is the unique element that really makes the final product what it is.

And that’s part of why it is so murky.
For example, Coca-Cola’s exact recipe is a very closely guarded secret, however, all of their raw ingredients are obviously available to the public.
It is plausible that someone could come along and mix all that stuff together in just the right way that they create something chemically identical to Coke.
Because they made it themselves, they could then sell their drink under some other name, but it would taste exactly like Coke.
But, if someone at Coke gets wind of this, they are going to want to know how this guy could just ‘stumble upon’ one of their secrets.
If they had some easy way to prove that he did not, in fact, come up with his drink on his own, but stole it from Coke somehow, there would be trouble.
Again, I’m no legal expert so I don’t know exactly what statute it would fall under, but it would be pretty clearly a case of stealing.

That’s the kind of argument being made with these puppets.
They are DHX’s ‘recipe’ for making their product (episodes) and if they can show that someone is using that recipe, obtained without permission of its creators, they could likely have a case against that person.

Does that make a little more sense?
It’s certainly a bit of a grey area, but there are definitely some legs for Hasbro to stand on.


Speaking of copying stuff:

Yeah, someone recreated a bunch of Fluffle Puff animations using Zelda characters.
I… don’t even know…
(They do link to the original videos in the description so this is meant to be parody, not plagiarism, I believe. Just very odd…)


And ponies invade another game:

The Orbital Friendship Cannon is Online!

Jun 16, 2014 at 05:46AM EDT
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xTSGx said:

Is this a legit DHX employee or one of those “I work at DHX and can confirm the finale’s shit” employees?

Don’t worry, she’s legit. I’ve worked with her on Smash Ponies for a year and a half now, since well before the leaks actually happened. So trust me when I say I trust her.

That’s the thing I’m scratching my head over. What exactly would Hasbro sue them for? If a court rules it a “trade secret,” the copyright/trademark suit goes out the window as neither can be counted as a “trade secret.” It’s not exactly a secret if the thing’s publicly registered. It just doesn’t seem to me that something used in the animation process can be counted as failing under copyright and it’s absurd to think it falls under trademark.

There’s a part of me that wants someone to take on Hasbro and force their hand just to see what kind of a lawsuit they’d file and how the courts would handle it, and then there’s a much larger part of me that doesn’t want that to happen because the US court system’s shit and would most likely rule drawings in Flash that were quadrupedal fall under Hasbro’s IP.

I was talking about this with Fifths last night and I actually used the exact same Coke analogy as DeadParrot (but like five hours earlier, chump! I suspect my analogies may have been the target of a recent leak). The issue with the build leaks is that now everyone with even the slightest amount of animation talent can make show quality animation. It’s very easy to get an idea of someone’s animation techniques and processes just by looking at their builds. Looking at mine you would quickly figure out I’m lazy and unprofessional and I run Flash on a piece of shit computer. Prior to the leaks, the only people who could visually emulate the show were really good animators and they usually did so respectfully. Not the case anymore.

So Hasbro’s basic motivation is to stop the spread of the builds. The only way to do that, since there’s no way the entirety of the Internet can be convinced to delete them from their computers, is to punish the people who use them.

I doubt any of this actually goes to court, unless the person having their videos taken down decides to sue or something dumb. Hasbro more or less already has the right to take down any pony video they like; now they just have a reason to do it more often. As much as we like to think this is bullshit it’s entirely reasonable. Hasbro needs to be able to protect both its intellectual property (the nebulous concept of “our little ponies”) and the actual means by which it produces the show (the Flash builds). While we’re mostly free to do as we please under fair use and such, actually using their Flash assets is an immediate red line. It’s pretty cut-and-dry illegal at that point.

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