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Policing viewpoints

Last posted Nov 10, 2013 at 01:17AM EST. Added Nov 09, 2013 at 03:17PM EST
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So a bit random, but it’s a topic that I’ve had on my mind for a while, and wanted your opinions on.
On a great many number of sites, the topic of policing viewpoints (or lack thereof) is a subject that has had much attention. I’m sure it’s probably obvious, but the subject of policing people’s opinions is a delicate topic. I mean, it can be pretty much impossible to go about it without upsetting somebody.
Take this scenario for example, someone comes along and makes a post saying that ‘Sometimes rape is acceptable’ or ‘People choose to be gay’. Both of these statements are obviously very controversial and offensive to many people, but on the flipside, they’re also viewpoints many people agree with. It’s at times like these where the problem occurs, do we police the viewpoints in order to help prevent offending those of whom the statements might apply to? Or do we allow people to post these viewpoints so they can are able to express their viewpoints? Either way, someone is put at a loss.
That’s why I made this discussion thread. If you were posed with this situation (putting aside personal beliefs), would you choose to allow the comments or ban them? As you guys are generally really good at discussions on what can be touchy subject matters, I’m curious about hearing your opinions.

I think one of the touchiest subjects is pedophilia. Just to make it clear, I think that people molesting a child and exploiting them should be dealt with as such things can ruin children’s lives. However, I think that child molesters are just a tiny part of pedophiles and even those who just look at real life pornography starring young, are just the tip of an iceberg. Somehow I think that at least most people have at least some tendency of finding children and early teenagers attractive, whether they accept it or not. Of course, most of them don’t even look at anything from the Internet.

I’ve seen many websites outright banning to discuss that topic which I find extremely suspicious. If you aren’t outright bashing child molesters or pedophilia and just try to give your reasons why these things happen and question on how prevalent it is, you are automatically labeled as “pedophile apologist” “pedophile” or even “child molester”. For some reason, I think that some people who label them as so, have a bit stronger tendencies to this and use every opportunity to prove that they don’t. In the same manner, I interpret “You know he/she’s <18 years old” as “I find him/her attractive but I don’t want to sound like a pedophile”. I have noticed though that due to double standards, women are more willing to admit their crush on young people at least when it comes to fictional characters.

The reason why people don’t admit such things is very clear. First, they know that child molestation and exploitation is harmful to children. Second, they don’t want to catch the attention of authorities. Finally, they don’t want to lose their reputation from their family and friends.

However, I also find it suspicious that it’s more taboo topic than things that doing are as bad or even worse to other people (such as people admitting they would kill someone).

I also think that pure pedophilia (people who are only attracted to children) is rare. I think most people who have such tendencies still find adults attractive or more commonly even prefer adults over children (analogue of Kinsey scale). It’s actually very scary to see people suddenly get angry, blush or cut off your topic in real life if you bring up that subject (and yes, both sexes are guilty), like they’re in denial that they had such thoughts (sometimes if you blame them).

I think that in addition to catching child molesters, we should also allow more open topics about things like this to understand why pedophilia happens, how common it actually is and how we can we lower negative effects of that thing to children.

I would be happy if I’d catch someone admitting this thing to me to prove how they lie to others about this.

Last edited Nov 09, 2013 at 03:57PM EST

It is like the root of all social problems on the internet. Opinions will always have conflict as they are indeed opinions: not everybody agrees while many may agree anyway and I believe with certain controversial topics the point is that people have a different viewpoint on the topic based on their experience about it. Not to mention facts about said things get tossed around too, with no certainty about what is truly correct.

To answer your question, I hate it when people play the ‘free speech’ card but at the same time, I don’t think we should really be suppressing certain controversial viewpoints as in some situations, they can be half right or maybe just have a good point. So I’d just keep it as it is, allowing comments (that don’t go too far of course).

“Somehow I think that at least most people have at least some tendency of finding children and early teenagers attractive, whether they accept it or not.”

U wot? People don’t become attractive till after puberty. Why don’t you take a seat?

Dr. Coolface wrote:

“Somehow I think that at least most people have at least some tendency of finding children and early teenagers attractive, whether they accept it or not.”

U wot? People don’t become attractive till after puberty. Why don’t you take a seat?

If you’d only know. I think people who got caught through that virtual girl trick were just a tiny portion of them. Although I don’t look at my relatives (like parents) the same way again.

I came to that conclusion when comparing the amount of people who have punched a child to the amount of people who have had at least once wished they could punch a child.

Anyway, I’d like to know what controversial viewpoints others think there are which people don’t want to discuss about.

Last edited Nov 09, 2013 at 05:30PM EST

@Random
Wait isn’t that what you do as a mod? Police what you think is appropriate and ban what you feel isn’t? So ask yourself “Why am I banning this, when I’m known for posting the same content”.
Aren’t you just part of the same policing of viewpoints?
I’ve even seen you and other mods tell others your view is right and theirs is wrong.
prove me wrong.

Last edited Nov 09, 2013 at 06:18PM EST

Derpy Vazquez wrote:

@Random
Wait isn’t that what you do as a mod? Police what you think is appropriate and ban what you feel isn’t? So ask yourself “Why am I banning this, when I’m known for posting the same content”.
Aren’t you just part of the same policing of viewpoints?
I’ve even seen you and other mods tell others your view is right and theirs is wrong.
prove me wrong.

My current viewpoint is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no one is inherently wrong, and I certainly wouldn’t straight up tell them that. For example, I would never say someone who is homophobic is wrong, despite being gay myself, it’s just their opinion. If I’ve ever said someone’s opinion is wrong in the past (which tbh I don’t remember doing), then I can say my opinions have changed since then (I was talking about this same topic in the Kill La Kill entry a few days ago). Back on topic though, Althoigh I don’t have banning powers myself, I guess you could say that this thread is somewhat related to the fact that I am in that position of power, where I do have to make those kinds of decisions. “Should I really be policing this?” And “should I be restricting people’s opinions?” Are questions we as mods have to consider when making these decisions. The purpose of this thread is to ask what you guys would do if you were put in the same position. I have my own opinions on the matter, as I’m sure the fellow mods do, I’m just curious as to what our community feels on the matter.

I already know what I would do in these situations, but I want to know about you guys.

Last edited Nov 09, 2013 at 06:48PM EST

Evilthing wrote:

If you’d only know. I think people who got caught through that virtual girl trick were just a tiny portion of them. Although I don’t look at my relatives (like parents) the same way again.

I came to that conclusion when comparing the amount of people who have punched a child to the amount of people who have had at least once wished they could punch a child.

Anyway, I’d like to know what controversial viewpoints others think there are which people don’t want to discuss about.

So you think people are attracted to children because some people wished they could get away with punching one?

Viewpoints are already policed through ridicule and objection anyway.

I’d be against of any kind of solid moderation being applied to opinions alone, that is if you are talking about moderation of public websites.

It’s unnecessary, overly-complicated, too subjective and difficult to manage. The logistics of agreeing on what viewpoints are valid to express in public and what ones should be policed would be a bitch to go through and can easily go wrong by picking wrong targets and subduing a lot of valid free thinking…or worse being abused to suppress reality

If people want to drivel on about how wrong they think gay marriage is or how right they think rape is, then that’s their right to their opinion. But we also retain the right to retort against viewpoints that we find wrong or unjust.

I’d much rather see people express their offensive/incorrect viewpoints and have them argued against until the truth is drawn, as opposed to having all arguable matter covered up completely along with the real truth. How are people to understand what is truly wrong if they cannot say what is wrong/see who is wrong and receive arguments that explain why it’s wrong?

If you were posed with this situation (putting aside personal beliefs), would you choose to allow the comments or ban them? As you guys are generally really good at discussions on what can be touchy subject matters, I’m curious about hearing your opinions.

Say we had someone here trying to say the earth was flat. As a moderator I would permit this discussion. And only take banning measures against anyone that got too heated/angry/abusive for the discussion.

I wouldn’t have anything nice to say about the OP and only arguments against everything he says, but he’s totally allowed to say it. In fact, I would thoroughly enjoy such a debate.

We’ve had debates on touchy matters plenty of times on this forum before. I know we can handle it without getting too insane. Right guys? Right?

Last edited Nov 09, 2013 at 11:55PM EST

The sad truth is this, you won’t have your opinion policed, matter of fact you will actually go to a site highly relevant to what your obscene subject is and be out circlejerked by one user who hits the frontpage every two days with the most basic and pointless comments ever.

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