It’s one of the few Biblical stories that seems to directly contradict our current scientific understanding.
That’s why most Christians don’t accept it as literal fact.
Let’s face it. It’s a parable. The story was never made to make logical sense. It was made so that ancient minds could grasp a basic idea with their ancient brains. Not so that people tens of thousands of years in the future could have a perfect account of everything that happened for their records
It’s impossible to defend the Genisis story on logical grounds and try to make it sound plausible. It was never written so that it should be. Attempting to rationalize the story presents a ton of logical problems and questions that just aren’t even worth rationalizing. It’s so bad that if the Genisis story were true, it would present even more problems for the religion than solutions. That’s why you’ve heard all these questions that nobody has provided an answer towards. There are no answers. Trying to answer for it is a complete waste of time for Christians, they have better things to do.
As I said: it doesn’t even matter. The religion is not dependent upon it being true. Christians don’t need to rationalize it. For most of the Christians I know; how the universe was created doesn’t take away who made it for them, so they’re happy to accept any other theory that makes more scientific sense. They’ll just say “that’s probably how God did it instead”
So it’s better to just accept it for what it is: a story that was thrown together over the course of centuries by different people, all who gave their best ancient guess based on sparse information passed down to them from parent to parent which nobody even recorded (because the idea of recording history didn’t exist until that point). Trying to debate how it does or doesn’t make sense serves as little more than a distraction from the real concepts we should be grasping.
On that note: Why are people still arguing over it?
Our current understanding of morality, along with the concepts of ‘good’ and ‘evil’ is just an extension of that sort of behaviour which developed along with our increasing intelligence and greater reliance on complex social structures.
I agree. This I why I’m more partial to the idea that there is no “good god, bad devil.”. Instead there’s just a neutral god. No devil. Because good and evil are not forces of the universe. They’re social constructs that we invented to define behavior in ourselves that we do and do not find supportive.
If there’s a devil. He’s us. He’s our instincts that may lead to harm.
easily answered if you take the stance that God’s omniscience does not imply that the universe is a completely deterministic place, and that even God doesn’t know exactly how the future will play out.
I’m of the opinion that God…if we assume one on the biblical sense…is not omnipotent and does not know the future. Because that’s all the bible stories show. I’m not sure where the whole omnipotence idea comes from to be honest
What if a god created evolution? What if a god created the Big Bang?
I may sound crazy, but what if our universe is extremely small, and it is just an experiment in a laboratory in a bigger universe? We could just be a big experiment, where our physical, mental, and emotional differences as humans are just controls and variables in an experiment set up by a greater scientist who’s hypothesis was that people would fight if they were different, because in the greater universe, everyone is the same
Sanest thing I’ve heard so far
@Chickenhound and Mangy arguing over what counts as an insult and what doesn’t
That’s enough you guys. You’re both going around in circles with this.
Mangy, what don’t you seem to understand? Calling his religion a fairy tale is tactless mockery. I think he pointed that out to you more than once.
You are stirring trouble right now. You’re threatening to derail this discussion into a pointless banter between yourself and chickenhound. Also you are responsible for the impact your words make. If you don’t see the vibe coming from anyone, that’s because it’s coming from you. And arguments don’t have to be courteous, but neither do they need to be spiteful and your discourtesy is uncalled for
Now…I don’t need you to respect religion. I don’t care if you find it idiotic. But right here in this thread, I demand order and that we stay on topic. That means keeping the snark to a minimum.