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Deletion of deadpool entires

Last posted Dec 09, 2011 at 12:26PM EST. Added Nov 18, 2011 at 11:08PM EST
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We have a lot of blatantly forced and badly written entries in the deadpool that are just taking up space in search results. I suggest that these entries should be deleted. These entries are so bad that it would be best for someone to simply create a new entry should the “meme” need one. Normal deadpool entries with at least a gram of effort given to them should not be deleted as someone could probably save them if it ever became memetic or trending.

The kind of entries I’m talking about:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-feel-great-face
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/brorangutan-approves
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/twilight-confrontational
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bring-it-on

Nov 18, 2011 at 11:08PM EST
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The problem with this is that the creator has to become aware that he failed, so he (hopefully) won’t try it again. If we instantly hide them, they might think KYM derped somewhere and probably create a new article.

But a simple time period before hiding can probably solve this.

Last edited Nov 18, 2011 at 11:57PM EST
Nov 18, 2011 at 11:51PM EST
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Perhaps have it so entries must have at least 200 characters in the description before you can submit it. Then after that it must have at least 1000 or else it will auto-hide after 72 hours. That should make people put a bit of thought into creating the entry and give other users enough time to see it and apply for an editorship if needed.

Nov 18, 2011 at 11:57PM EST
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Hub entries would be impossible with a minimum character limit.

Why not make it so that deadpooled entries will autodelete after X days/weeks/months unless overruled by a mod? (So that we can keep the lulzy ones, like Standing or Chevy Sonic.)

Nov 19, 2011 at 01:05AM EST
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I wouled agree with this, but… I think it shouled all be done manually. It’s just one of those things that doesn’t seem like a good idea to happen automatically.

Also, haveing written a HUB/Subculture entry before, I know it’s easy to gather enough info to reach 1000 letters. “Lol, all Youtube stuff goes here! I will wright the whole thing later, brb!” is not a good HUB entry. I managed 1/4 of Super Smash Brothers in one sitting!.

Also, as I said in the suggestion thread, new entries shouled come with an auto generated (but editable) template for newfags to use. (Includeing an “About, Origin, Spread, Intrest over time, Examples” etc.) Because most of them don’t know what they have to include or even how to use a textile.

Also, I agree on the 200 letter limit, even if 3 Youtube Videos/6 pictures can meet that requirement. (But granted, that is enough evidence to get started).

And one more thing: “Brand New Members” shouled not be allowed to create entries or forum threads. It takes 5 posts to lose that title, so in those 5 posts they can learn the rules. Also, it wouled keep Spambots from posting threads.

Nov 19, 2011 at 02:19AM EST
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Oh you Natsuru and your irritating “shouled”.
Anyway, “hub entry” doesn’t mean that it should be 1 line long. There is still a bit of introduction to do about anything we wrote as an entry, that’s why being forced to wrote something of at least 200 characters is actually a great idea I think.

Nov 19, 2011 at 07:45AM EST
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I would say just to keep them simply because they provide me with laughs.

Nov 19, 2011 at 10:23AM EST
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I, personally, would rather have the entry up and the idea given than have an arbitrary character count.

For example, what if some new member joined and saw a new meme and wanted to submit an entry on it but didn’t know a ton about it so they didn’t have a lot to write about?

Whoops, looks like they can’t submit it and we’ll never have any idea what it is, which means we now can’t look into it.

Even if it is a few lines, it really isn’t hard to look into entries based on their name, whatever description is given, and the main picture in the entry.

I’d rather have more entries than fewer, given that it allows a higher possibility that everything notable is covered.

Edit: Also, entries are never ‘deleted,’ they are just hidden and only accessible to moderators.

Last edited Nov 19, 2011 at 11:55AM EST
Nov 19, 2011 at 11:54AM EST

My only problem with deleting all of these articles is that we’d be further destroying the habitat of the endangered Super Robo Jesus.

Nov 19, 2011 at 12:26PM EST
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Other suggestion: How about not letting deadpooled entries show up on the first page of search and the 4 that comes down with the suggestion bar?

Nov 19, 2011 at 03:19PM EST
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I know this sounds harsh, but if someone creates a really derpy meme entry, either ban for a week or perma-ban. Then we can keep random shit off here.

Dec 02, 2011 at 04:08AM EST

Nikolaki8 wrote:

I know this sounds harsh, but if someone creates a really derpy meme entry, either ban for a week or perma-ban. Then we can keep random shit off here.

No point.

If someone just came to the site to make an entry as a joke, they probably aren’t going to come back because they already got their ‘lol i trol u’ factor.

So we just deadpool their entry and move along.

The only time we have to have a ban take place with these people is if:

1. they are spambots
2. they are making entries filled with porn or gore just for the sake of porn and gore
3. they are spamming many bad entries in a short period.

It would be a bad rule to have for just any small bad entry as it would discourage lurkers from participating because of the chance of being banned, which is a much worse event than a couple bad entries a day (which literally take 5 seconds to remove from submissions).

Dec 02, 2011 at 07:11AM EST

Ban seems a bit harsh for not understanding the websites standards. Which is the main problem when to comes to deadpooled entries, so I feel if we can have the new users learn the standards ASAP we wouled be better off.

A easily accessable instructional video and autogenerated html/textile style template for new entries wouled help achive this.

Dec 02, 2011 at 01:53PM EST
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I’m with Natsuru.

If the new users making a new entry were forced to sit through an instructional video, that will either deter their desire to make such a bad entry and move on, or will make their original idea better, which would do this site a world of good for everyone, and legit new users won’t feel the full sting of shitstorms and hate.

Last edited Dec 02, 2011 at 02:02PM EST
Dec 02, 2011 at 01:59PM EST
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We could have the rules auto-display in some form of pop-up whenever a user begins to create an entry for the first time. That probably wouldn’t stop many of them but it might help.

Dec 02, 2011 at 02:17PM EST
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Suiseiseki’s pop-up suggestion is one of the best I’ve heard. Since pretty much the beginning, we’ve been trying to deal with the problem of n00bs and trolls making bad entries, and in the end, there’s no fail-proof method we’re ever going to find. Trolls will be trolls, and like Abra said, you might as well just let them have their lulz and move on when they get bored. For well-intentioned n00bs on the other hand, I think the sidebar gives sufficient information, so I believe what is really needed is some method to force them to at least notice the info is there. If we put in a pop-up that simply and politely stated something like,

Thanks for you interest in adding an entry to the KYM database! While any user is allowed to make entries, we would like to stress that you should take the time to look over the “How to Write a Meme Entry” guidelines on the right-hand sidebar before you start. Also, feel free to visit the Meme Research forum for help and feedback!

It could be even simpler than that (and simpler is probably better), but just putting some message like that with a need to click “OK” before starting to write would probably make a huge difference in quality.

Oh, and as to the original point of the thread, I don’t think deadpooled entries should be deleted/hidden, but making them come up last in search results would probably be nice. I’m thinking that the only reason I’d support completely dumping an entry is if it’s a duplicate of one that’s much better-written.

Dec 02, 2011 at 07:55PM EST
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I agree about the Popup Window. The act of agreeing by pressing “okay” wouled get them to read the sidebar (The users who intend good anyway, it won’t have any effect on trolls).

Dec 04, 2011 at 02:17AM EST
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I dunno if it would work. people would still come over to either promote their own memes or just post instances of memes. they don’t realize, they’re supposed to make articles about existing memes.

Dec 04, 2011 at 05:43AM EST
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What if that pop-up was on a timer? They’d have to sit through it before being able to actually press OK. That might get them to read it while it’s winding down.

Dec 04, 2011 at 09:00PM EST
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Hmmm… the timer may work, if the thing they are supposed to read is 1-3 lines long… “Thanks for contributeing to our database, please take a moment to read the tips in the sidebar before you begin!” … witch takes roughly 10 seconds to read for me, so after 5 seconds the “okay” button appears and they can start editing.

Dec 04, 2011 at 09:39PM EST
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Also, in the pop-up should be that we DOCUMENT memes, not create them. It’s in the sidebar, yes, but it deserves to be said again. And again. And again.

Dec 04, 2011 at 09:52PM EST
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Itiz is right.

If we beat it into their brains well enough, they may be discouraged from doing so.

The ones who violate that rule will DEFINITELY justify the coming of the shitstorm.

I’m in support of a pop-up on a timer that ALSO says “Do NOT make or promote your own memes on this site. Know Your Meme is about documenting, and self-promotion will result in an immediate Deadpool”

Dec 04, 2011 at 09:58PM EST
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Natsuru Springfield wrote:

I wouled agree with this, but… I think it shouled all be done manually. It’s just one of those things that doesn’t seem like a good idea to happen automatically.

Also, haveing written a HUB/Subculture entry before, I know it’s easy to gather enough info to reach 1000 letters. “Lol, all Youtube stuff goes here! I will wright the whole thing later, brb!” is not a good HUB entry. I managed 1/4 of Super Smash Brothers in one sitting!.

Also, as I said in the suggestion thread, new entries shouled come with an auto generated (but editable) template for newfags to use. (Includeing an “About, Origin, Spread, Intrest over time, Examples” etc.) Because most of them don’t know what they have to include or even how to use a textile.

Also, I agree on the 200 letter limit, even if 3 Youtube Videos/6 pictures can meet that requirement. (But granted, that is enough evidence to get started).

And one more thing: “Brand New Members” shouled not be allowed to create entries or forum threads. It takes 5 posts to lose that title, so in those 5 posts they can learn the rules. Also, it wouled keep Spambots from posting threads.

I agree with everything you said, but that last part is kinda harsh.

On KYM, you are encouraged to document memes. This might never happen, but what if, at some point, 75% of KYM users are Brand New Members? The speed of entries being added would slow down by an unimaginable amount!

But that part about the spambots.. why not just make a system that automatically deletes the thread, and every other post in existence that user has made?

Last edited Dec 06, 2011 at 06:20PM EST
Dec 06, 2011 at 06:20PM EST
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Memefanatic28 wrote:

I agree with everything you said, but that last part is kinda harsh.

On KYM, you are encouraged to document memes. This might never happen, but what if, at some point, 75% of KYM users are Brand New Members? The speed of entries being added would slow down by an unimaginable amount!

But that part about the spambots.. why not just make a system that automatically deletes the thread, and every other post in existence that user has made?

@Spambot suggestion

I suggest we include captcha to forum posting and thread creation.

It’ll befuddle the bots right from the start, denying them access, AND allow us to communicate with Inglip.

Last edited Dec 06, 2011 at 06:26PM EST
Dec 06, 2011 at 06:25PM EST
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To quickly correct myself about the Title thing, I looked back into it and as it turns out it takes 10 posts or comments to lose the Brand New Member title. However I think it use to be 5 back when the system counted total contributions.

However, I still stand by my opinion. Creating 10 posts or comments requires you to go to 10 different entries or threads, see what other people are posting or how an entry is constructed, and post based on the implied guidelines. And once they reach 10 posts they will and can most likely know at least the general rules and the standards for a confirmed entry.

Last edited Dec 06, 2011 at 07:34PM EST
Dec 06, 2011 at 07:33PM EST
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Colmei wrote:

Also, in the pop-up should be that we DOCUMENT memes, not create them. It’s in the sidebar, yes, but it deserves to be said again. And again. And again.

God I wish there was a real thing where people actually read pop ups before clicking okay.

Dec 07, 2011 at 02:12PM EST
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Entries should only be hidden if they are gore, porn, spam and duplicate entries. Everything else should go into the deadpool so other users can find it and improve upon it if necessary. As far as search results go, you can search through just submissions or confirmed by adding the syntax “status:submission” or “status:confirmed”.

Dec 07, 2011 at 02:20PM EST
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Don wrote:

Entries should only be hidden if they are gore, porn, spam and duplicate entries. Everything else should go into the deadpool so other users can find it and improve upon it if necessary. As far as search results go, you can search through just submissions or confirmed by adding the syntax “status:submission” or “status:confirmed”.

What should we do with entries in the case of, “Lol I thought this picture would be funny and I posted it here help me make it a meme xD”?

Dec 07, 2011 at 03:34PM EST

Trace them somehow and punch them in the faces.
@Christmas the Pimp Abra

Dec 07, 2011 at 05:27PM EST
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Chris wrote:

What should we do with entries in the case of, “Lol I thought this picture would be funny and I posted it here help me make it a meme xD”?

Those shouled be beheaded and displayed by our front gate, as warning to future offenders.
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In all seriousness, make a blog post for Top 10 Worst Made Entres of All Time.

Last edited Dec 07, 2011 at 08:21PM EST
Dec 07, 2011 at 08:15PM EST
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It would be nice if the deadpooled entries didn’t auto-fill in the search bar. They tend to hide the confirmed entries and submissions.

Dec 07, 2011 at 08:19PM EST
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And shit like this:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/lolzxzxzxzx

All the OP wrote in the entry description was “LOL

One-word entries just piss me off. What do they think they’re gaining by doing this?

Then they leave it there, possibly never coming back, and force the actual users of KYM to clean up after them.

Last edited Dec 07, 2011 at 08:22PM EST
Dec 07, 2011 at 08:20PM EST
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The scenario I am aiming for, minus New Member Restrictions:

-User opens up new account.
-BAM! They are encouraged to fill out their profile.
-Ignoreing it or not, they derp their way to the “Create Entry” Button.
-BAM! “Thank for conributeing to the database! Please take a moment to read the tip box in the right!”
-After the estimated time it takes to read that, the “Continue” button appears and the user clicks on it.
-He is presented with the current setup we have.
-Maybe going to the side to read the first two or three rules. “Do Not promote your own work!!” should be the first one he reads.
-After filling out the name and image upload, he scrolls down to find sections to fill out. “h2. About, h2. Orgin, h2. Spread, etc.” With a triple space below each title.
-Unless the user has a large ego, they wouled be inclined to fill out all the sections they are given.
-User submits, all proud for himself.
-BAM! “Please feel free to return and add onto the entry! The edit button is located at the top of the page! If you require assistance, please go to the forums!” With ‘forums’ being hyperlinked to Meme Research.
>Implying we want him to stick around an finish the entry.
-Will he stay? Will he continue? FIND OUT NEXT EPISODE!
-If he leaves to never return, at least he has left us enough info to continue working or deadpool asap.
-If the entry was deadpooled, send him an email! Make him feel the sting! If the entry was confirmed, send him an email! Make him feel proud!
-The end?

Dec 07, 2011 at 10:36PM EST
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Natsuru Springfield wrote:

The scenario I am aiming for, minus New Member Restrictions:

-User opens up new account.
-BAM! They are encouraged to fill out their profile.
-Ignoreing it or not, they derp their way to the “Create Entry” Button.
-BAM! “Thank for conributeing to the database! Please take a moment to read the tip box in the right!”
-After the estimated time it takes to read that, the “Continue” button appears and the user clicks on it.
-He is presented with the current setup we have.
-Maybe going to the side to read the first two or three rules. “Do Not promote your own work!!” should be the first one he reads.
-After filling out the name and image upload, he scrolls down to find sections to fill out. “h2. About, h2. Orgin, h2. Spread, etc.” With a triple space below each title.
-Unless the user has a large ego, they wouled be inclined to fill out all the sections they are given.
-User submits, all proud for himself.
-BAM! “Please feel free to return and add onto the entry! The edit button is located at the top of the page! If you require assistance, please go to the forums!” With ‘forums’ being hyperlinked to Meme Research.
>Implying we want him to stick around an finish the entry.
-Will he stay? Will he continue? FIND OUT NEXT EPISODE!
-If he leaves to never return, at least he has left us enough info to continue working or deadpool asap.
-If the entry was deadpooled, send him an email! Make him feel the sting! If the entry was confirmed, send him an email! Make him feel proud!
-The end?

Why has this not been done?

Dec 08, 2011 at 06:22PM EST
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Colmei wrote:

Why has this not been done?

Because the website has one coder and I’m sure he’s already working on stuff.

Not saying it won’t ever get done, that’s just why all this stuff that gets suggested doesn’t get put in right away.

Dec 09, 2011 at 12:26PM EST
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