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Last posted Jul 17, 2014 at 10:04AM EDT. Added Jun 06, 2014 at 02:20PM EDT
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Maybe this idea has been tossed around before but I wanted to see if I could get some opinions on it and if anyone had suggestions.

For example lately I’ve seen some people expressing their disdain for forum games burrying other JFF threads, and I think a good place to start would be with a seprate forum game board.

Moving forum games to their own board would grant other threads in JFF much more staying power and it would surely see alot of use with the popularity of forum games.

However the addition of any new boards would obviously mean more work for the mods (there’d probably be more thread moving going on) but I thought this could atleast be worth discussing in it’s own thread. I realize we have a much smaller active community than forums with lots of seprate boards but threads come and go pretty quickly in JFF and General sometimes and they might get more of a chance with more popular reoccurring topics kept in their own boards.

What do you guys think?

Jun 06, 2014 at 02:20PM EDT
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It seems people complain more about the forum games not being all that fun rather than drowning out other threads in JFF. Forum games have always been a part of the JFF section of the forums on just about any board you go on, but I’ve noticed users complain that there’s not all that much variety in the games and I have to say I agree. Though that’s not a problem for the mods to fix, that’s a problem for the users to fix. If people have a problem with the games being repetitive and boring and saying other forums have more fun and interesting games then they should make their own forum games or even copy fun games they’ve seen on other boards.

I personally haven’t seen a problem of games drowning out other JFF threads, though, nor have I seen this complaint made before. So no, I don’t think a separate section should be made for just games.

Jun 06, 2014 at 02:34PM EDT
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I think this is a good idea, but I’m waiting for more opinions before I decide, particularly the opinion of the forum mods.

@Crimson

The games do drown out more creative threads in my opinion. The threads at the top are almost always “user above you” threads. If anyone tries to make a thread that’s about creative, fun discussion, it lasts a max of 20 minutes before being buried by the same, repetitive games and being instantly forgotten about.

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Jun 06, 2014 at 02:34PM EDT
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@Iamslow
@Crimson

I really haven’t seen anyone but me complain about this. It seems like too much work and isn’t very logical because of how much manpower it is to write a new system down and move all those threads. It also would be incredibly confusing if JFF was not accepting games anymore and games being moved into a separate entity, or vise versa.

Like I said, there are more than 7 ‘user above you’ but that doesn’t stop people being people who just want to have fun. Even if it is repetitive and mildly angering. Also, it seems that those types of threads are happening to die out, so it isn’t a huge deal now.

Jun 06, 2014 at 03:47PM EDT
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I don’t believe it is particularly necessary. When Just For Fun was originally suggested/created, it was to keep the same game threads from clogging up the general discussion area. The board is kind of intended to be messy, as it’s where the threads with less-focused topics end up.

If you want fewer of the “User above you” threads, or threads that generally don’t have a whole lot of originality/creativity, then that’s something for the general userbase to work toward. Make your own fun with more fun topics. Splitting the board into “Serious Just for Fun” and “Shitpost Just for Fun” won’t solve much if the users don’t put much effort into the posts either way.

Jun 06, 2014 at 03:48PM EDT
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Alright, I’ve taken a look at the subject, and even though these game threads can be obnoxious, I think they should stay in JFF.

Jun 06, 2014 at 07:51PM EDT
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We need more boards ffs

ideas:
- video games board
- relaxed rules board (think a kym /b/)
- boards for other website discussion (tumblr, 4chan and reddit for example)
- hell give people in the dumbass fandoms a board (ponies, homestuck, i don’t care as long as i don’t have to see it)
- a sports board ( i guess users on this site like sports?)
- a movie board
- a creativity board (drawing threads whatever)
- just forum games board (sure, why not)

honestly, there are literally NO downsides to more boards and detractors are just sticks in the mud. Considering I’m the only active moderator who was a moderator at the time we first broke up the boards I can say

1) Moving threads is easy as hell especially since we have like fucking 20 forum mods
2) When we split the boards up the community was a fraction of the size we have today so the appeal to tradition falls flat

the worst case scenario is no one posts in the new boards a.k.a. a non-issue, so if anyone has any REAL issues for more boards I’d love to see them.

I’ve wanted more boards for years now so I might as well make it my raison d’être.

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Jun 06, 2014 at 09:37PM EDT
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Captain Blubber wrote:

We need more boards ffs

ideas:
- video games board
- relaxed rules board (think a kym /b/)
- boards for other website discussion (tumblr, 4chan and reddit for example)
- hell give people in the dumbass fandoms a board (ponies, homestuck, i don’t care as long as i don’t have to see it)
- a sports board ( i guess users on this site like sports?)
- a movie board
- a creativity board (drawing threads whatever)
- just forum games board (sure, why not)

honestly, there are literally NO downsides to more boards and detractors are just sticks in the mud. Considering I’m the only active moderator who was a moderator at the time we first broke up the boards I can say

1) Moving threads is easy as hell especially since we have like fucking 20 forum mods
2) When we split the boards up the community was a fraction of the size we have today so the appeal to tradition falls flat

the worst case scenario is no one posts in the new boards a.k.a. a non-issue, so if anyone has any REAL issues for more boards I’d love to see them.

I’ve wanted more boards for years now so I might as well make it my raison d’être.

I agree with all this, especially the relaxed rules board. Putting all that nasty shit in its own nasty corner at the bottom of the page will do wonders for the site, so long as it doesn’t devolve into sharing porn. It could also be an interesting experiment to see how many will jump to adopt it.

Let’s face it, people: segregation is a terrific solution that always works wonders on a community. Except for that one time in the South. And that other time in Germany.

Jun 06, 2014 at 10:24PM EDT
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Captain Blubber wrote:

We need more boards ffs

ideas:
- video games board
- relaxed rules board (think a kym /b/)
- boards for other website discussion (tumblr, 4chan and reddit for example)
- hell give people in the dumbass fandoms a board (ponies, homestuck, i don’t care as long as i don’t have to see it)
- a sports board ( i guess users on this site like sports?)
- a movie board
- a creativity board (drawing threads whatever)
- just forum games board (sure, why not)

honestly, there are literally NO downsides to more boards and detractors are just sticks in the mud. Considering I’m the only active moderator who was a moderator at the time we first broke up the boards I can say

1) Moving threads is easy as hell especially since we have like fucking 20 forum mods
2) When we split the boards up the community was a fraction of the size we have today so the appeal to tradition falls flat

the worst case scenario is no one posts in the new boards a.k.a. a non-issue, so if anyone has any REAL issues for more boards I’d love to see them.

I’ve wanted more boards for years now so I might as well make it my raison d’être.

I love and support all of this.

Jun 06, 2014 at 11:03PM EDT
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Not actually certain if the forums get enough traffic to warrant more boards. However, I think we could split up Just For Fun to divide up Forum Games and Non-Forum Games at the very least. Though 10 completely new boards seems massively overkill to me and seems to be a bit too much of a micromanaging game from my viewpoint.

Not to mention, I kinda like the 4 board system. It keeps the forum community unified.

Jun 07, 2014 at 01:03AM EDT
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As long as there is a board where furry porn can be posted with reckless abandon, I will be content.

Jun 07, 2014 at 01:08AM EDT
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I like this idea. I agree with Captain Blubbers plans

I don’t believe that traffic is a factor to be concerned about. As the saying goes: Build it and they will come. In my forum experience, I have always found that when you expand the boards and categories for discussion, forums only get bigger. You show to people that there’s more to do and discuss. The only people who will freak out and leave the forum over it are the people who just hate change

People don’t looks at a the number of threads to determine activity, they look at the most recent post date. I’m sure that wont change

Besides, if we get more boards, I’ll pre-populate them by sorting threads

There really is no downside to this. It will just make the forum more organised and less chaotic. It will give people more options to filter out threads they don’t want to see. It will reduce the effects of threads getting buried too fast.

Having all our threads clustered under one board makes for a chaotic and messy forum, not necessarily one that people will enjoy more. I say give it a shot

But we do need to spend more time deciding what those sub directories would be

Jun 07, 2014 at 01:31AM EDT
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We could do trial periods to test how active each board would be, if anyone was concerned about.

Jun 07, 2014 at 01:43AM EDT
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Was talking with Bob about this, which I kinda reoganized my thoughts on this:

I still don’t think we absolutely need to make more boards, but if we do I would much rather have them be divided up by Activity Type rather than Media or Medium Type.

For Example, instead of Film, Video Game, and Book, etc sections like Blubber is suggesting; we could divide them up into Discussion, Forum Game, and Participatory Project, etc sections.

This will give the chance to keep the different fandoms mingled while also keeping practical multi-use sections apart. (And so that we don’t have to immediately launch with an insanely high number of new boards to cover each of the bases)

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Jun 07, 2014 at 01:55AM EDT
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I think that if we do end up dividing the boards then the way Natsuru mentioned is the way to go. I personally like the ease of fandom mingling and I feel it will keep the boards a little more focused.

Jun 07, 2014 at 02:31AM EDT
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Okay, I have re-reconsidered my opinion, and now I’m all for splitting them up with the Natsuru-method, not the Blubber method. If you divide it by fandoms and keep people with different views, interests, and opinions apart, that will only create a divide in the site’s users and escalate interpersonal tensions. Splitting things up into dozens of isolated boards is what makes Reddit such a hell-hole and only enhances the echo-chamber effect. Mingling of different kinds of people is good, even if you don’t like lots of those people. I think it should stay simple and not be split up into 15 boards all at once. It should be a few, but it should allow mingling and exist for organization purposes only and to make sure good threads aren’t buried by lazy ones so quickly whole allowing people to still access said lazily-made threads.

Jun 07, 2014 at 02:47AM EDT
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@Weasel

Now that I think about it I may have misinterpreted some people’s thoughts on forum games; I thought at least a handful of people didn’t like them taking up room in JFF. My bad.

But in the scenario that forum games did get their own board I don’t think a whole lot of forum game threads would have to be moved – probably just the ones that were active at the time of the new board opening. (at least I’d imagine).

@Captain Blubber

Those are some really great suggestions (even considered suggesting a videogame board myself) and points imo.

@Natsuru

I don’t think media or medium type boards will really divide the userbase much but I could see some people being more in favor activity type additions. Interesting idea.

Either way would definitely allow for things to be more organized. Maybe we don’t absolutely need more boards but like others have said I don’t think it could hurt either.

Jun 07, 2014 at 11:52AM EDT
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I disagree with Natsuru (cue suprised looks)

quote: “For Example, instead of Film, Video Game, and Book, etc sections like Blubber is suggesting; we could divide them up into Discussion, Forum Game, and Participatory Project, etc sections. This will give the chance to keep the different fandoms mingled while also keeping practical multi-use sections apart.”

my disagreements with this statement specifically are thus:

1) Having a “discussion” forum is pretty much what we have now in General, and I’m looking at it now and 13 of the threads are “generals” and 8 have the word general in the name.

Generals are not especially well liked by most forums and we should add ourselves to the list
(hell, /v/ got a new board for them)

Generals are: bulky, difficult to navigate, hard to read if you aren’t caught up, often containing things that could serve their own thread and if say, something bad happens in one of them, unless someone reports it or a mod actively reads it, we could let things get worse than they should.

So we HAVE to get rid of generals.

“But Blubber,” your feeble nerd voice whines, “it’s called general, what are we supposed to do?”

Well, general should be just for casual discussion for really, anything not research related. For some reason, there are plenty of threads that would be appropriate for general sitting in JFF being drowned by “user above you” threads.

For example, we have a couple video game generals which would probably fit fine as a few individual threads on a video game board. but we don’t have that so we have a clogged up general.

2) A forum game is a participatory project with a lot less effort. So, unlike dividing boards by the topic, people won’t think “what is my thread about” but “what is my thread” which means a lot more dumb rules. And we have too many of those already.

3) Dividing by the type of thread is an interesting idea, but that means the mod squad (eugh) will have to wrack our brains about how many kinds of threads there are (which natsuru has saved himself the effort of with a convenient etc.) while media is way simpler for the knuckleheads who moderate to figure out what we should have.

4) the “keep different fandoms together” part. last time i checked, people can like more than one thing, has this changed?

as much as I’d LOVE a quarantine forums for bronies that they were not allowed to post outside of, that’s not reasonable and would be difficult to enforce.

Natsuru seems to mistake cluttered for “unified”, when really, if someone refuses to post inside a forum they have no interest in, the community is unchanged, because if someone posts in a thread they aren’t interested in, they are usually being an idiot.


In summary, I disagree with 100% of my heart.


Know Your Meme has a growing userbase with disappointingly stagnant forums. It has been long overdue for more boards, especially since I know of forums that have multiple boards with even less users than us (like the ED forums for instance) that work just fine with them.

If nothing else:

WHAT IN THE NAME OF JESUS, JOSEPH AND MARY COULD IT FUCKING HURT? NOTHING.

We need more boards.

Jun 07, 2014 at 08:32PM EDT
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@Captain Blubber

STOP CHANGING MY MIND ON THINGS!

Yeah, I now side with Blubber on how the forums should be divvied. Anyone else?

Jun 07, 2014 at 08:51PM EDT
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@Blubber
I like generals
Anyway, my only real fear is that no one posts in the new boards, I mean, it doesn’t look good if we have 7 or so boards with barely any threads on them, the forum community isn’t exactly big as it is. It’s not harming anyone the way it is now, it’s not like there’s restrictions which would be removed through the implementation of other boards, so what’s the point. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to quarantine those boring forum games to their own board, so I could actually have fun in JFF again, but I don’t see why this is a thing you’re all so passionate about. When you get down to it though, it’s not like I have strong opinions one way or the other.

Jun 07, 2014 at 09:17PM EDT
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Random 21 wrote:

@Blubber
I like generals
Anyway, my only real fear is that no one posts in the new boards, I mean, it doesn’t look good if we have 7 or so boards with barely any threads on them, the forum community isn’t exactly big as it is. It’s not harming anyone the way it is now, it’s not like there’s restrictions which would be removed through the implementation of other boards, so what’s the point. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to quarantine those boring forum games to their own board, so I could actually have fun in JFF again, but I don’t see why this is a thing you’re all so passionate about. When you get down to it though, it’s not like I have strong opinions one way or the other.

Look, you said 7 boards (which i assume was arbitrary but still) so I will give 7 boards that will guaranteed not be low on threads

- Video games
- Forum games
- Movie board
- TV board
- Other sites board (tumblrs, twitters, whatevs)
- Creativity board (look what I made, drawing threads, etc)
- A KYM Hall of Fame (for locked epic ftw threads of epic pwnage)

Also, you mentioned twice how ambivalent you are to the whole thing, so why bother posting? This kinda “well it’s not so bad, let’s leave it be” is detrimental to the quality of the forums. If we don’t as moderators let the users know that low-effort, low-content threads are not what we want for our forums then they will eventually become the norm.

All I want is know your meme to be fun, interesting and readable for both committed users and casual browsers alike. I’ve had enough of this “well KYM was always bad” bullshit. It’s fun to say when someone says KYM sucks now, but it should hardly be a forums philosophy.

I swear to fuck I will Oldboy Hammer Fight all you anti-new forums nerds itt.

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Jun 07, 2014 at 10:10PM EDT
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We’re entitled to have opinions too, I don’t appreciate your ’I’m the only one with the site’s best interests in mind’ attitude. My post wasn’t a detriment, it got out my opinion on the matter, so what does it matter. I even gave an argument regarding the case at hand. You’re acting as if we all don’t care, and I don’t think that we’d make very good mods if we didn’t. We just don’t think it’s a decision that makes sense, therefore we will argue against it if we so wish

Jun 07, 2014 at 10:17PM EDT
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you said you didn’t care, twice.

if i went to a thread and was like, “Uh…i don’t really care” I’d get my comment buried.

But yeah, it’s cool to just sit around and let bad posters keep making bad threads, but yeah it’s all in the name of being nice. It’s cool to shoot down improvement ideas too. Nothing is wrong nothing can get better we’re doomed to be always bad. And one more thing, you guys aren’t gonna like this haha.

I am implying you guys aren’t very good mods
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Jun 07, 2014 at 10:35PM EDT
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You’re an ass you know that? It’s not like i just said “I don’t care” and left, I said things that were still relevant to the thread, contributing to the topic. If we don’t think it’s an improvement, then we’ll knock the idea down. Get off your fucking high horse

Jun 07, 2014 at 10:41PM EDT
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at the end of the day, my aggresion towards the other moderators and whatnot aside. None of this can go through without actual coding, which is up to the (very small) staff. This thread is great to get our ideas (and my poorly withheld animosity) out. But if the staff are too busy with other things we will just have to sit and twiddle our thumbs.

Namaste.

Jun 07, 2014 at 10:49PM EDT
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I actually posted the thread in our mod mail, so we could get an admin opinion on this and maybe help boost the case for you (I was impartial after all), but then you just turned around said I was shit, so I regret that now. I do ask that we keep the animosity out of this thread though, it’s just as bad as my so-called off topic post.

Jun 07, 2014 at 10:54PM EDT
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Woah woah! Take it easy there Blubber. I still like your ideas, but there’s no need to post libel about all the other mods. I didn’t see Random do anything particularly bad. He was just participating in the discussion and then you bash his reputation and throw away his opinions. What gives?

Jun 07, 2014 at 11:09PM EDT
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lol okay, if it means we get this thread back on track then I apologize for derailing it and trying to get random 21 mad (honestly he’s an entry mod blaming him for anything doesn’t make sense.)

Done? Can we talk about new forums ideas or what?

Jun 07, 2014 at 11:49PM EDT
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@Blubber

Take it easy, bro. Be nice to Random21. He is not a bad mod.


@Random21

It’s not harming anyone the way it is now, it’s not like there’s restrictions which would be removed through the implementation of other boards, so what’s the point. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to quarantine those boring forum games to their own board, so I could actually have fun in JFF again, but I don’t see why this is a thing you’re all so passionate about.

Please let me explain to you why you lost me on this. And this is probably the reason you lost Blubber on it too but I’ll try and be more reasonable

We’re passionate about this because it actually is harming people the way it is now. You said it yourself. You don’t enjoy JFF anymore because there’s content overwhelming it which you would rather have moved elsewhere. So you’re pretty much your own example of what we want to see changed.

We just don’t see why you are expressing a “Why bother with it” attitude. It’s not up to you to decide if the job will be too much work for us to implement or even trial. Especially when you don’t seem to care either way.

My understanding of the scope of the project is this:

  • An admin clicks the New forum button. That’s all it is. A button. There’s NO CODE INVOLVED and gives it a name.
  • Then forum mods like me, do a bit of organizing in General and JFF, moving stuff to appropriate boards to begin with
  • If the idea doesn’t work out, we can also have an admin click the Delete forum button or the Rename forum button. I stress again there’s NO CODE INVOLVED
  • The users will get the hint quickly on their own and use the right boards for the right topic

So you do not need to worry if this is going to tax our time and resources beyond the worth, if that is your concern. I know you are also worrying about a board being empty being a bad look. As I said before: the forum mods can pre-populate boards, but it really doesn’t matter if a board gets little activity.

In smaller forums with more boards than we have; I have never seen anyone complain about “too many boards”, so I don’t see why anyone would suddenly care about it here. Traffic is a moot concern. We don’t require boards to have heavy use in order to have a point in existing. Site Related is a testament to that. And furthermore, we see it working for other forums and we therefore want to see it work here too.


@Blubber again

Okay now, lets really discuss new forum ideas.

I think Natsuru has merit in his point in that we don’t need too many boards. We can probably get away with adding a few new boards rather than adding a whole bunch at once and/or changing existing ones. Basically we are talking about starting small and proceeding bit-by-bit rather than doing it all in a major overhaul.

If adding new forums wouldn’t hurt, then playing it safe and changing forums slowly, especially wouldn’t hurt. So I’m sure you wont disagree. I think it would be safe if we just added these 4 for beginners:

  • Video games
  • Forum games
  • Media board (Film, TV, Music)
  • Creativity board (look what I made, drawing threads, etc)

General and JFF remain as is, despite these additions but wont have the content that goes in the new boards

Why start off like this? I’ll tell you. You will find your vision will get more approval and less fear if we use a gradual progression of adding new boards before discontinuing current ones and testing things as we go.

Baby steps, my friend. Baby steps.

Once people are comfortable with the new boards, then we can consider adding others or replacing forums entirely. Sound good?

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Jun 08, 2014 at 06:13AM EDT
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Fine, it doesn’t matter then. It’s ultimately up to the admins anyway. Besides, my real point is “Will people post in them”, which I’m still not sold on, the other one was just more of a side comment. I think the way BSoD suggested would make it more likely for all the boards to be active, so I can get behind that suggestion.

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Jun 08, 2014 at 07:18AM EDT
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Not Caramel wrote:

As long as there is a board where furry porn can be posted with reckless abandon, I will be content.

I thought I talked to you about shitposting in Meme-Research and Site Related.


Also, may I remind you all that we’re still an internet phenomena encyclopedia (just ‘memes’ won’t cover it nowadays).

So what is a core function of a site like that? Covering internet phenomena.

So what is a secondary part of a site like that? Things like forums.

I understand the love for a bit more dividing in the forums. And giving some types of content a seperate place to keep the original sections more organised can be good.

But I rather see the staff spend time on stuff that is, you know, actually related to KYM’s function.

Executing an idea like this properly WILL require staff involvement. If you divide it into a lot of sub-forums, you will need a lot of staff and mod discussions on what to do. Which will require time, time not all of us (and especially the staff) actually have.

So in order to execute this well, you need to get there slowly. Start with one to three new sub-forums, consider expanding if it works.

Blubber’s idea is too demanding, it’s wanting too much at once, and knowing the flow of mod and staff discussions it will take months before we maybe have some basic idea of what we’re going to launch. Right now, it simply is not executable.

Natsuru’s idea is more executable, requires less discussion, and is a good place to start. Once it works, it can be discussed to move more towards Blubber’s idea.


BSoD wrote:

* Video games
* Forum games
* Media board (Film, TV, Music)
* Creativity board (look what I made, drawing threads, etc)

^This basically. Start small, expand if it turns out it works.


Blubber wrote:

I am implying you guys aren’t very good mods

And I’m just saying you’re a bad one. You’re the most unprofessional mod we have, you abuse your powers like it’s nothing, the arguments you pull to defend your actions are just worthless, and your respect towards the users and especially the mods is below zero (which you have once again proven here).

Why you still are one is beyond my understanding. You’d hope someone with so little respect for the mods wouldn’t want to be among their ranks anymore.

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Jun 08, 2014 at 09:53AM EDT
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Regarding the actual effort involved in coding new forums we are all essentially grasping at straws. Way back when the forums were split up there was a cool button that said “Make a new forum” if it’s that easy then we don’t have anything to worry about. I genuinely like the staff and since they are a small team we can’t really dog them out too hard since they do have jobs advertising Chevrolet Sonics™ Sponsor of all memes, but only the good ones. Haha. But yeah, once an admin says “oh yeah sure” or “holy moly no way” we can really get into the nuts and bolts, but for now, discussing ideas is just as fun.

Spoilered to not detract from the thread but yeah, so much for saying on topic Randomman buddy. couldn’t help yourself i suppose. I know i don’t post in pony general enough to earn this position as mod but hey, c’est la vie.
Jun 08, 2014 at 07:57PM EDT
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@RM

More expansive forum = more diverse discussion

More diverse discussion = more interest and participation

More interest and participation = more community

More community = more community input

More community input = more meme research

More meme research = KYM’s function

But yes, we need to start small.

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Jun 10, 2014 at 03:59AM EDT
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I don’t quite understand why everyone thinks we need to start small, I mean, we’re not having the forums raise a baby, it’s just more forums.

I’m not suggesting we drop like 20 at once, but what’s the point of just adding 1 or 2? I’d say we could use at least 4 right off the bat.

Jun 10, 2014 at 06:01AM EDT
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Because it’s common sense.

People are more comfortable with small gradual changes over shocking massive overhauls. You know how human beings are. We hate change. Don’t think rearranging the whole face of the forum wont go without some drama.

If you want to avoid the same shitstorms that occur when Facebook updates, then introduce changes in an non-intrusive way.

Suggesting we break the plan up into small phases isn’t saying ‘no’ to your idea. It’s simply going about it more carefully. It pays more respect to the existing userbase and minimizes the risks that people have discussed so far (such as shitstorms, taxing admin time, or the whole thing going underutilized).

I assure you it will go down much better

Jun 10, 2014 at 06:15AM EDT
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lol at you saying you weren’t saying no. because, i guess the assumption is if i hear no i go into full flame war mode haha.

I guess you have a point, but i think it’s not quite the same as say a facebook update, we’re not replacing anything, just adding things.

Jun 10, 2014 at 06:41AM EDT
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Captain Blubber wrote:

We need more boards ffs

ideas:
- video games board
- relaxed rules board (think a kym /b/)
- boards for other website discussion (tumblr, 4chan and reddit for example)
- hell give people in the dumbass fandoms a board (ponies, homestuck, i don’t care as long as i don’t have to see it)
- a sports board ( i guess users on this site like sports?)
- a movie board
- a creativity board (drawing threads whatever)
- just forum games board (sure, why not)

honestly, there are literally NO downsides to more boards and detractors are just sticks in the mud. Considering I’m the only active moderator who was a moderator at the time we first broke up the boards I can say

1) Moving threads is easy as hell especially since we have like fucking 20 forum mods
2) When we split the boards up the community was a fraction of the size we have today so the appeal to tradition falls flat

the worst case scenario is no one posts in the new boards a.k.a. a non-issue, so if anyone has any REAL issues for more boards I’d love to see them.

I’ve wanted more boards for years now so I might as well make it my raison d’être.

This is sagacious. Most posts are in JFF anyway, might as well split it up.

Jun 10, 2014 at 12:28PM EDT
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Not gonna let this die

- an advice subforum
- a tech talk subforum
- a “troll” subforum (for all the mean posters to go and be mean)
- a moderator sub-forum (for secret mod-only memes)
- a news subforum

these are just ideas but if you don’t like them i will flame u

(also i really want a board for mean posters because they are the funniest)

Jun 12, 2014 at 10:37PM EDT
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Blubber, I’m trying my best to try and get the Admins to check this thread out, but they aren’t noticing anything I ask them. I’ve sent Brad a PM and asked him in the mod mail, and he’s yet to reply to either

Jun 13, 2014 at 02:17AM EDT
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I completely agree with a mod forum. It would be easier to stay on topic and see all replies clearly unlike the mod mail. But others are pretty unnecessary IMO. They can just easily go under with JFF and other forums. If there was demand, KYM would supply. We simply don’t need those because no one will use them for real. Like RM said, we are a documentation site.. Duh.. Not forum site.

But seriously, i support the mod forum %100. Mod mail sucks so bad.


@BSOD

There is not such demand like i said. Even that tiny. No one even uses our exist forums that much.. I am sure you know that
Forum boost may increase the site popularity. But i still doubt.
For example, cringeworthy. If the cringeworthy wasn’t against our site rules, it wouldn’t be that bad idea to open a seperate forum just for cringeworthy. The cringeworhty section may seperate with “fetishes”, “fandoms”, “facebook” exc… Do you understand what i mean?
And lets check our most active thread on this site: pony general. Why don’t we have a forum totally based on pony? Because that would be similar as /mlp/ including tons of shitpost. No one wants that.
Maybe drawing forum doesn’t seem so bad, but will it boost forum usage? Maybe.. Doubt as hell.

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Jun 13, 2014 at 06:04AM EDT
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Oh yeah, that’s a good point you two. FUCK YES TO THE MOD FORUM Mercer’s a new mod and he already knows it sucks, that’s how bad it is people. As long as we could get mod (and admin) interaction there, then I’m all for it

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Jun 13, 2014 at 08:46AM EDT
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JFF is fine as is, but yeah, I’m up for a bit of change. Adding a couple more boards by activity is also a good idea.

Tho I rarely do this, allow me to state some ideas.

It could Possibly go like this:



    • JFF will stay as Forum Games and the “fun” stuff.

    • I also feel like some Site Related stuff should go onto a new Advice board, for helpful advice site related or not.

    • The Mod Forum because I heard Mod Mail isn’t all too efficient.

    • Possibly change General into Discussion, since that it’s major function these days.

    • An Art Board for all the Artist, and the people who enjoy the art.
    • Garbage, for those threads that have no discussion value what so ever, but still seem to get posts that is not a forum game, or rather a Miscellaneous for those threads that don’t belong anywhere else.
    • A News Board, for well… News

    These are just some of my humble ideas, and opinions on this situation. Feel free to constructively criticize them, and,or comment on them.


    The JFF has been suffering from the lack of creative content, and repeated threads. Even tho there countless gems on the JFF, they just don’t appeal to everyone, and a lot of them are inside jokes. Some people get tired of the repetitive nature of the JFF, and the good amount of shitposting that goes on in there. So I’m all up for some additions to the Forums.

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Jun 13, 2014 at 09:11AM EDT
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I like Ann’s suggestions. Concise, efficient, a bit of the old and a bit of the new. Not too big of a change, but just enough. The advice board is a great idea instead of restricting BNM questions or even questions veterans want answered to one “Q&A Thread” or constantly having the Site-Related be spammed with questions.

Also, about the mod board, how would that work? Is it restricted to only mod posts like the mail already is or is it open to everyone but the discussion has to be mod/admin related? I’m assuming the first one, but. i just want to clarify this. Not sure what use a mod board would be if anyone could post.

Jun 13, 2014 at 03:32PM EDT
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A few things [puts internet warrior flame leather gloves on]

1) The " we are a documentation site [..] Not [a] forum site" idea is completely ridiculous, adding more forums does not make us a “forums site” you can have a main function for a website plus an extended amount of forums (see, tvtropes, ED, every webcomic, etc) so the idea forums will take away from the database in any way is b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

2) the mod forum is a bit different than the other boards because there will have to be special permissions (and lol at how everyone hates modmail) so there would have to be some sort of tinkering involved (we can have users finding out what we say about them behind their backs)

3) Still not seeing how everyone thinks slow forums are such a detriment to the site, 4chan has slow boards, and no one really fusses about it, why should we?

4) I want to reiterate the idea of a place to highlight locked good threads so you know where to go for good thread inspiration

Jun 13, 2014 at 08:27PM EDT
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Also maybe a place for serious discussion with strict rules and debate and one for casual discussion

Jun 13, 2014 at 11:08PM EDT
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@Alex

They can just easily go under with JFF and other forums. If there was demand, KYM would supply.

If that were true, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. It doesn’t seem to be that easy when we’re having endless disputes over what content is good for where and dozens of gripes over how the forum sucks

We simply don’t need those because no one will use them for real.

How do you know? You may not have a use for additional boards, but other people very well might. There seems to be plenty of people who express a need for a wider and cleaner categorization of our discussion topics and are willing to use them. I don’t accept an excuse that we shouldn’t try something just because we “doubt it” without having any first hand evidence for doubt

I say put things into practice and see what evidently happens. If we can see it not working, then you can say it doesn’t work and execute the easy method of undoing what was done

we are a documentation site

Adding new forums will not change this in the slightest

There is not such demand like i said. Even that tiny. No one even uses our exist forums that much.. I am sure you know that

And I already said that traffic is NOT a concern. I don’t care if only 5 people use this forum. There’s still reason to categorize our discussion for as long as those discussion branches exist.

I don’t care if 75% of all KYMs don’t use the forum when the remaining 25% still discuss absolutely every topic under the sun and that 25% has complained time and time again about how the layout of the forum pisses them off

Look, I’ve been in forums smaller than KYM with more discussion boards than we do and that was never, ever a problem! Those websites had unique purposes just like KYM. They were modding sites, game network sites, webcomics. Their purposes weren’t to be forum boards. But they had a wide category of boards for every topic imaginable anyway, and it worked!

And lets check our most active thread on this site: pony general. Why don’t we have a forum totally based on pony? Because that would be similar as /mlp/ including tons of shitpost

No, it’s because the last generation mods hated the idea of dedicating any one part of the site to a single fandom, not out of necessity but out of sheer spite and retribution.

If such a forum were made, no it would not be full of shitposts and /mlp/ faggotry. It would have precisely the same content that the Pony thread already has. Why? Because we’re not /mlp/! The bronies who post here are a different breed from the ones that post in /mlp/ and what they post is exactly what you see in that thread; which is less shitposts and more or less on-topic content

Not that I advocate an MLP board right now because at this time, the pony discussion has decreased to a point where all the pony talk is manageable in the thread anyway

[everything else you said]

You want me to believe that this forum “doesn’t need” more boards, or that more boards will be “not worth the trouble”. or "distract from our goals, or “be nothing but full of shitposts”

Sorry but I don’t make decisions based on uncertain fears. I make decisions based on EVIDENCE.

I’m looking at every other online forum and not seeing a shred of evidence that more boards pose a huge problem. All I see are people utilizing resources. Meanwhile I look back at this forum and see this one only having issues because we cant separate our draw thread from our game threads

Make these boards, and if they turn to shit, then you can say you are right, but until then I don’t see one solid reason why we shouldn’t try


@Blubber

General is already our serious discussion board…sort of

Unless we decide we can move all serious topics to a debate forum, like how other boards do it. General will then be left a news a site rules board.

I also like the idea of a “Hall of Fame” or a “Hall of Shame” board which showcase good and back locked threads respectively. Other forums have this and Hall of Shame forums are hilarious


@Mod forum to replace mod mail

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES

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Jun 14, 2014 at 04:58AM EDT
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Fine, you have beaten my concerns. I got nothing. You win.. My all doubts were based on traffic and popularity but guess they are not that important than quality categorizing..

Jun 14, 2014 at 03:02PM EDT
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Oh god yes, we need a mod forum. I’ve thought about that since forever ago; mod mail is inefficient and jumbled, and important things get lost too easily. We really need this.

Jun 14, 2014 at 03:07PM EDT
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I really want this Hall of Fame/Shame thing. Sounds great! Well, has anyone gotten the admins to look at this at all? If not, this is all for nothing. I think you guys have a pretty decent list established already and the overall decision on this thread is “more boards”. Is this a good list?

- General
- News
- Meme Research
- JFF
- Games
- Art/Creativity
- Site-Related
- Q&A/Advice
- Hall of Fame/Shame
- Mod Forum
- (possibly) junk board/lax rules/KYM /b/

Jun 14, 2014 at 03:39PM EDT
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