Joined Aug 23, 2011 at 06:31PM EDT
Let’s not resort to excuses like being human, it has no place here. Anyone on the web might do it and they’re rightly labelled as a whiner and ignored. Sarkesian has to be professional because she’s not some nobody writing on a forum, she’s trying to do it professionally.
She seems to be perfectly alright with men getting killed, butchered, humiliated as she never mentions what happens to them in those games she shows. It’s very much relevant. Women aren’t in a vacuum there, they’re part of a game world and are subject to its own conventions.
If something isn’t perceived as being to both men and women, then you cannot say “it’s wrong because it’s being done to women”. The correct word to be used would be ‘people’. But then Sarkesian couldn’t use it in her video. Oh well..
When you complain about women, scantily clad or not, dying or getting beaten in a game which men also can be subjected to the same abuse, the only thing to be done is either making women invulnerable or removing women from the game. This I know because it’s actively being done for children in the games nowadays.
This discussion is taking much time that I don’t have right now so I’ll excuse myself. Have a good day.
Sarkesian isn’t even a critic and she doesn’t do it professionally. Those developers mostly are content with game critics pounding on their game due to gameplay or related reasons. But when somebody takes parts of their games, makes accusations that they’re causing RL violence, that’s a whole different issue. It’s the same thing media does whenever a college shooting happens, blaming deaths on games and developers. Sarkesian is blaming rape and abuse on them. A whole different ball game.
Not something I made up, re-watch her videos like how Sarkesian watches games and you’ll see what’s going on. She’s crystal clear.
Yet she is demonizing devs when she blames them with causing RL suffering. Maybe she’s doing that ‘unintentionally’ as well.
It’s not a singular sentence or paragraph but the whole book that has the message. That kind of meaning isn’t told explicitly but interpreted from the whole work.
A game that includes real world places or imitations of them will sooner or later include a strip club as they are present, on this world that we live in. Maybe she should start a campaign to close them down to prevent this eventuality.
Because one arises from the objective of searching for material to be used as a means to further an agenda, even if taken out of context, other one undeniably there, present in its context.
You’re talking about good so that would also require bad to be on the spectrum, while there’s no good or bad in this issue. What is ‘better alternatives’ anyway? Are those sterile places that wouldn’t offend Sarkesian? Why is an artist required to be bound with such a consideration?
People cannot be critical of anything if they’re using double standards, in that case we call it as ‘whining’ in Net terminology. Taking incidents out of context and ignoring how they’re in relation to the other parts of it sure is doing just that. On many occasions, she ignores the simple truth that women in those games can be treated the same way as men. But that doesn’t fuel her agenda so she needs to display only what can be done to women.
The source for my conclusion is the myriad of Sarkesian’s videos that she has released so far.
And there has been ‘other places’ as it’s ONE place that she found in a series with many games, it’s safe to assume that it’s one place among dozens of other ‘shady’ places. One could say that’s the very definition of nitpicking and a ‘deal with it’ is required instead of criticizing it like a game that’s so bug-ridden that it became notorious.
So they’re to be considered ‘bad’ artists if the content in their games somehow offends Sarkesian’s ultra-sensitive offense detectors. Naming and shaming sure can stop people from doing what they would do as they’re operating a business and bad publicity is a way to prevent them, which is what Sarkesian has been doing.
Sarkesian has been advocating that those same games are causing worse treatment of women in RL, those game developers are essentially portrayed as delivering ‘goods’ to men. I guess you could say I’m very receptive to offenses like Sarkesian to get an ‘underlying meaning’ there.
Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, doesn’t mean they didn’t comprehend the purpose behind it. I came to the conclusion that she wants positive discrimination, not the removal of discrimination.
And why wouldn’t there be? If a game is about a hitman, it might take place in much more shady places anyway. Should we remove strip clubs from the movies as well? It’s not like those places don’t exist in RL.
If the game took place solely in such a place, then I could agree but there will be many different places in these games and if you nitpick, you can find some place that offends someone in everything. A good old dose of ‘deal with it’ is in order. If it’s really bothering that much, don’t buy it, don’t play it.
The question here is, why cannot they make that choice? Why should there be an ‘authority’ that will pass judgment on what is allowed and what is not and if deemed unworthy, those developers are publicly shamed as people akin to human trafficking mafia?
Why cannot be scantily clad people in games and why cannot those people die? If someone can die shitting on a toilet on prime-time TV, scantily-clad people can also die in games. If you don’t want to kill those people as a player, then don’t do that. It’s your choice and the game even penalizes you for doing it. How much hand-holding and censoring is required before Sarkesian is content?
I liked the story of how he came up with the name. Kinda like one of those Eureka! moments.
Going through them once was demanding by itself, I paid enough attention.
She was upset about the player being able to kill strippers in a night club when the player was able to kill anybody around. Why would the strippers be immune to aggression? Why wouldn’t there be a strip club in the game?
Yeah, she’d request that if she thought it’d happen. Because she nitpicks about pretty much every situation where a scantily-clad woman is killed, harmed or abused in some way. If you can go on a killing spree in the game, I don’t see why prostitutes, strippers or any other person should be invulnerable or be excluded from the game altogether.
I watched them all. Men die in much, much worse ways than women in fiction, always. Games are no different. There’s already positive discrimination and a strong bias towards making women die more ‘normally’ and games which portray violent deaths oftentimes don’t even have females in them. She expects every woman’s death to be a hero’s death with dignity and nitpicks whenever they die in a way that any male has been dying since eternity in fiction: casually, without consequence and undignified.
Apple bringing back the shackles that ‘dumbphones’ removed, sigh..
She never asked for this.
My bandwidth just died.
Good thing somebody didn’t do this..
Whoa, ZQ wouldn’t be worth even the trimming of a fingernail of her.
Carolyn Petit previously of Gamespot choosing that tLoU DLC as the best game of the month instead of Bravely Default speaks volumes. Good thing GS finally fired her just before GG kicked in.
If he has that much respect for ISIS and gamers bother him more, he should volunteer to be exchanged with a real journalist kept hostage by them.
I’d say it’d be like Equilibrium, nobody is allowed to have any feelings because it might lead to misogyny eventually!
GIVE THEM NOTHING! BUT TAKE FROM THEM! EVERYTHING!
In any case, this is a good opportunity to go against the media looking down on people whose interests go against the ‘accepted norm’ since media is just taking turns.
People over there are paranoid enough to attack and kill aid workers and some idiots actually start another hoax about it.
Great fucking job..
10 years already.. Still stood better against the test of time than most others.
It’s like the movie Equilibrium.
Yeah, you should have noticed from the eyes!