Joined Aug 23, 2011 at 06:31PM EDT
A Fistful of Zeni
For a Few Zeni More
Or it will bounce off and kill you instead.
The truth is that Israel and Egypt are both blocking all the exits and then telling the people to run away from bombardment in one of the most overcrowded territories in the world. Not many places you can hide in when Israel is even hitting UN shelters. As much as Hamas are nutcase extremists, Israeli blockade is making the people of Gaza suffer, so yeah, unconditional cease-fire equals to going back to the poverty and lack of goods which Israel wants.
Imagine the city you’re living in being blockaded and you aren’t being let out, basic needs being only let in at the blockaders’ whim as they please. Unemployment through the roof. Getting bombed for weeks wherever you try to hide whenever some guys decide to strike back. Would you be fine with that?
As if Nick was having trouble deciding between quality shows to give airtime.
The example I gave was regarding how pretty much every US citizen has an ancestry in the Old World, everyone except Native Americans. Everybody carried over their culture and heritage with them and even with all the amalgamation, many people still have strong ties. If that wasn’t the case, you wouldn’t see Texans dying in IDF today.
It was hypocritical and selfish as an intention still, because they wanted to get rid of all those Jew refugees chased by Nazis. And they did that at no cost them while at immense cost to another land’s people they had invaded. It’s not humanitarian if you’re not the one sacrificing for the cause but making another forcefully sacrifice.
As for the wars, there was no Palestine state to speak of that can wage war. Those involved were other Arab countries. Those occupied Palestinian lands are unrecognized by UN and deemed unlawful occupation in international community anyway. Israel is holding onto them through force of arms. Those are not war reparations.
By that mindset, we should hand over Europe, Asia and Africa over to the USA because whole American heritage and culture were carried over from those continents, across practically whole Old World. Ancient heritage don’t give anyone the right to claim land. In fact, European Jews had much more in common with Europeans than Jews of the Middle East, do some research on how they couldn’t get along when Israel was first created.
Brits did as they pleased and left a cesspool of violence and instability. We can thank them and France for most of the ongoing conflicts still going across the world today. What Brits did in this case was giving in to the scheme Zionists started in 19th century. This is a historical fact, you can look it up.
They gave about half of Palestine to Israel originally. As I proposed earlier, US could give, say, New Mexico to the Jewish people to start up a state if their plight was so concerning. It certainly wouldn’t have as much impact as cutting Palestine in half. But as I recall, they didn’t even accept Jews escaping Hitler’s meat grinder back then, so.. It’s rather hypocritical of US government to ask a third party to give away their homeland and be okay with it.
The integration of Texas was the precursor to Israel and Crimean annexation of Russia. Send in settlers, claim the land.
Not really, many Jews were accepted and settled by Ottoman Empire in the Middle East when they were persecuted in Spain by the Inquisition. More followed after they escaped pogroms in Tsarist Russia. Up until the last century, there was a lengthy period of peace for hundreds of years in the region.
The big majority of Israel’s population didn’t have a heritage or history there. Check out how the population figures change after WWI, numbers are there on the Net. A very small minority is multiplied several times over. And we’re talking about a claim based on a state that existed, hang on- 3000 years ago. Or their holy book, whichever you prefer as more legit. They were carried from all over the world after European Zionists set the plan in motion to ferry over people and take over the land for themselves.
Now one may think me as an anti-Semite but on the contrary, I agree that Jewish people are deserving a homeland and a state somewhere. But their claim here was forged over practically nothing. If we’re okay with this, we could as well be okay with Mexicans claiming half of USA because: The land was originally theirs and they’re a significant population in those same areas. I guess Americans wouldn’t be okay with that so why would Palestinians be when they’re the major residents for over millennia?
US & EU governments support Israel and Ukraine, that’s the reason why they won’t talk about Gaza but will talk about Malaysian flight.
They’re sending in ground troops to destroy those tunnels used for infiltration attacks and they explicitly state that. If anything, public support in Israel for the operation wavers when news of IDF casualties arrive. Israeli government couldn’t care less how many Palestinian civilians die because US and EU offers unconditional support short of nuking Gaza. But they need those tunnels shut down still, hence they’ll trade IDF lives for that goal.
The situation would be the same if UN proposed giving half of USA to Mexican refugees just because they immigrated over decades and reached a certain percentage in population.
1- You’re missing the part before WWII, the grand scheme to found the state of Israel. It’s a fact that there wasn’t enough native Jews there to warrant a new nation of their own. Think of refugees pouring over decades and claiming your country of their own after they reach a certain percentage. That’s not okay, if we’re to believe 2014 consensus of Western civilization that went crazy over Crimea.
2- You’re using the word “anti-Semitic” too liberally. You don’t need to be anti-anything for resisting against occupation. If anything, the state of long peace in the area before WWI proves that local Arabs didn’t have unprovoked hatred against Jews.
3- Organizations on the extremes like Hamas can only flourish in places where people are the end of the rope. Israel nurtured that powder keg and are now acting all innocent. If you check those map borders changing since 1947, it’s easy to understand how nutcases like Hamas came forth.
4- History tells us that calls of “don’t resist us and just allow us to annex your land and assimilate you” generally doesn’t work on everyone. I’m all for a state of Israel somewhere on the world but they apparently chose the wrong place for it and aren’t helping themselves when they leave just a tiny strip of land to fill in all those people they displaced.
6- I very much doubt that if Israel came and claimed your country, you’d define that as a government change. If Arabs did something wrong, it’s supporting Britain against OE during WWI with false hopes of independence. Still, that doesn’t change the fact that Britain handed reins over to a third party that didn’t belong there in the first place.
7- It was their land to begin with and no British colony was handed over to third parties so why would they put up with it? Would India put up with it if they gave Indian government to Jews and named it Israel just because people were transported there and settled?
8- All Hitler wanted to do was switch government of Britain from English to German rule, why wouldn’t they be okay with it? I’ll never understand..
It’d be nice if they did that but that country couldn’t be called Israel with only the Star of David and with 100% Jewish in charge, Palestinians wouldn’t settle for that and I cannot blame them. After all, that would mean that all it takes for a people to annex a country is moving over till you have 32% and then plant your flag. Now think of how the world map would look like if that was normally accepted.
1- It’s not like Israel will leave their Merkavas, nukes and stuff there.
2- It’s stealing land if you carry boatloads of people, then plant your flag saying the land is yours. West just lost their minds when Russia did it in Ukraine so I guess it’s not okay in their book.
3- Because they have been carrying over boatloads of people for decades. Again, not okay if you’ll use it as an excuse.
4- Britain invaded Ottoman Empire, Ottoman Empire was dismantled by Britain. Then they managed to screw up 400-year long peace of the Palestine region in a mere three decades, bail out when they got exhausted. If it wasn’t for Britain, there would be peace as usual because OE would continue to govern the area as before.
5- Britain got overextended after WWII and couldn’t make a proper plan and enforce it, they crumbled on their own (unlike Ottomans) and bailed out. It’s like how USA is messing up with their wars and bailing out with unfinished situations, resulting in messed up countries all around the world. Jews and Arabs both didn’t care for sharing but the difference is that one side was carried from overseas as part of a scheme to annex land. I have no long lost love for Arabs but that’s the hard truth.
You might want to check some older pages here on KYM and see the absolute bias of its members, start with this one: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/operation-israel
Pretty much like a Roadrunner vs Wile E Coyote episode.
The difference is that in one case you’re branded “anti-Semite” and treated like a Nazi, in the other case however, nobody else calls you out for your hate speech bullshit because current consensus dictates that every Muslim is a suicide bomber hell-bent on destroying the Western Civilization or supporter of them while every Jew is someone who survived Auschwitz and trying to survive against a second holocaust, so has to supported in whatever they do.
It’s wrong to hate a whole people but it’s alright to criticize a state or call them out for their wrongdoings and injustice without getting branded a racist and denounced for it. People aren’t getting that so the lines are getting blurred, causing hatred this time because right of speech is curbed via hate speech excuse.
How about US giving one of their 50 states to the people of Israel if they’re so considerate about their well-being? Any desert state would do I guess. No power vacuum, no nothing, Palestine would get the land left.
It’s this “I’ll decide in your name” bullshit that Middle East was thrown into chaos by the British and “THIS IS OUR LAND” crap was the exact reason how Jewish people migrated there from all over the world, claimed the land for themselves and started the conflict. Just because a holy book dictated that it’s theirs even though their ancestors haven’t been there for dozens of generations.
So yeah, how about they give up their claims and live as equal citizens of Palestine? No? Then the least they could do is giving up the land they invaded, go back to the original borders that UN proposed and stop with land conquering through force of arms in the 21st century.
I agree that the people of Israel can demand a state of their own somewhere on the world but that should have been done at the expense of people who wronged them. Instead, Allies gave German lands to Poland and Polish lands to Stalin, then gave Arab lands to Jewish people. Arabs didn’t need to pay any reparations in this equation.
It’s not that they forgot it but they use it as a defensive shield whenever their state is criticized and they use it as an excuse to persecute third parties and invade their land.
Try criticizing their current actions and you get hit by the “anti-semite” brand like how Nazis marked Jews to invalidate your argument.
Being an independent people and state requires you to be held accountable for your own actions and attitude, they need to understand that and stop playing the “if you criticize us, you’re an enemy of our race and a madman” card.
This was the only song I ever needed in NV, so..
It’s a fact based on real situations. Same thing happened with tanks in WWII, shells were deflected from turret or glacis plate into the turret ring, having the crew getting killed from a ‘defeated’ threat. A spear deflected into the chest plate would have the same result.
I’m all for including more females in prominent roles in fiction but why gender-change an established character? Why not bring someone like Valkyrie into the spotlight instead? Or just create another character, Scandinavian mythos has enough females to draw upon.
Has science gone too far??!!!