Joined Aug 28, 2011 at 09:06PM EDT
The best girl finally gets her own entry :’)
I agree, but what you’re asking for seems far too reasonable. GGers are convinced (at least, this is what I got out of lurking 8chan, which isn’t even low-hanging fruit anymore) that image does not matter, because the evil feminists and SJWs control the media to make them look bad (hmm this theory sounds really familiar). The problem with trying to generalize feminism is that
1. It’s as varied as environmentalism. There are so many strains that to try to denigrate it holistically is nearly impossible.
2. You would be hard pressed to find any supporter of GG who actually would identify different strains of feminism. Hell, much of what is called “third-wave” is second-wave, because
3. The one communicator who GGers trust is Sommers, who throws aside academic integrity to pander to GGers and satisfy the institute that publishes her vidoes (hint, they constantly crank out anything from anti-feminist and even MRA literature, climate change denial, and even the occasional article blaming government involvement in the economy for cosplay. Yes. Cosplay.
Second and third-wave are still progressing simultaneously. GG is so unpopular at this point that many of those who stuck around were people looking for a new conspiracy theory, to the point that GG posts are no different than what you find on /pol/. The fact that Sarkeesian and Wu are not, by any stretch, the only reasons why GG became unpopular.
So why exactly is this flagged for deadpool? Is it because it’s not notable (it’s posted around frequently, so I’m going with no on this) or because it depicts Gamergate in a way that KYM’s userbase doesn’t like? The latter seems like a poor way to manage what gets deadpooled.
Self important? Have you ever made a decision based on what you personally wanted? If you have then congrats, you’re a self-important SJW! At least, you are by that standard. Nobody owes anything to an internet forum. That’s ridiculous.
What other dirt is there to dig up? Think about what you’re defending here. Why does somebody who took down her own video, completely within her rights, deserve the internet’s unrelenting wrath?
Somebody didn’t read the OP. Trying to instigate a campaign to dig up dirt on people is not a mature response to, well, anything really.
“Let’s all dox this person because she’s an SJW” promotes doing the exact thing that skeptics claim SJWs do to themselves to victimize themselves. Not only does this support the notion that the internet is a hateful place, but it justifies the claims that “SJWs” make. What the hell kind of impetulant child calls on his personal army to try to ruin the life of somebody who happens to have a disagreeable opinion?
This is the kind of idiocy that makes the internet look bad. Congrats on doing your best to prove the evil SJWs right.
This. It’s easy to call anybody an SJW for literally anything. You can go on 4chan, say “black people are human beings”, and be called an SJW (or worse). It’s a lazy form of disparagement that’s making a serious problem out of something as asinine as other people having opinions. Yeah, there are some people who self-aggrandize over social issues, but most of the time that SJW is thrown around that’s not what it’s responding to.
For some who still haven’t given up on it or are simply using it as a platform to delve into other social issues (see: complaining about feminism and social justice), yes. That’s really it though.
There’s a difference between being anti-GG and thinking “Kotaku rated it higher than Civ5”. There’s also a difference between acknowledging that the hate that SVU tried to depict does manifest itself on the internet and painting all of gaming with only that single stroke. There probably is some other way that SVU could have made the anti-GG case and not alienate the anti-GG crowd, but that wasn’t their (Criminal) intent anyways.
Not necessarily out of touch with reality. Out of touch with gaming, definitely, but this is how most non-gamers and non-forum posters understand internet phenomena such as Gamergate and swatting.
What is this big conference? It’s certainly couldn’t be the one in the video, if you knew anything about the group responsible for it.
Not holistically, obviously, but the inescapable SJW-paranoia here was nothing like this two years ago. It’s gotten pretty obnoxious.
That all, of course, could be the result of my own bias. It’s hard to tell what’s really genuine when disingenuous videos and trolling defines the discussion.
Conservatives didn’t give Gamergate fair attention out of coincidence. They realized that there’s a strong base of skepticism in the Gamergate community and they rushed to exploit it. The American Enterprise Institute and other collections of conservative thinkers quickly drew parallels between Gamergate and other “liberal schemes” (look at James Delingpole, who has a large audience that is separate from the gaming community). Is it any wonder that the American Enterprise Institute paid Christina Hoff Sommers to tell skeptics what they wanted to hear with an air of scientific authenticity and obvious pandering? I disagree that it’s to spite liberals, in fact it is specifically to inject their broader narratives into online discussions, which seems to be a booming market. As for IGN, I just meant to use it as an example of a website that stopped caring about the content in its discussions, which of course descended from “I disagree with X and here is why” to “blacks kill everything they touch and the Jews had it coming”.
Perhaps the vocal minority of Gamergate is as small and loud as the vocal minority in feminism, but I have trouble believing that because I have never heard anybody say “die cis-scum”, “check your privilege” or “its the patriarchy’s fault” unironically .-.
Thank you for your thoughtful posts. I wouldn’t entirely agree that the chans are left-libertarian at there core, because that overlooks the insidious base of authoritarianism that flocks to them because few other places on the internet will put up with their bullshit (think /pol/harbor), but maybe that too is a vocal minority. Gamergate isn’t only conflated with anti-feminism because conservative writers were willing to hear them out, but because some supporters feel the need to raise the issue of the “SJWs” and “feminazis” at every turn.
The problem with that is that any single possible derivative gets slapped with the label “Social Justice Warrior”, because it’s far easier to call somebody an “SJW” and pretend that one has the moral high-ground than it is to engage an idea that one might not entirely agree with. Social justice gets very heavily conflated with liberalism and progressivism and there’s a very serious lack of respect for any of that in this corner of the internet. It’s gotten so bad that it’s driven many users away from websites like 4chan and IGN, and we all know how dense 4chan has gotten with anti-Semitism. Very few people out there are interested in shaming anybody, and that’s not how the term is typically used in practice. Sure, there are some radical tumblr users and feminists out there but so what? They make up a tiny minority of feminism and yet they’re brought up every single time a gender issue arises. It’s basically an obsession.
According to who, Anne Guss? I’m no fan of tumblr but common sentiments are overlooked because people are so preoccupied with what dozen deranged radicals think (or what trolls pretend to think) that they delude themselves into believing that anybody actually wants anything remotely like this. I know that the whole illiterate “I’m not a feminist I’m a humanist” meme is all the rage on this corner of the internet but you’re being played as a fool.