What's Your Job on the Leftist Commune? - Comments


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ImperatorZor
ImperatorZor

Mining is a job which is best mechanized. Between 1821 and 2021, there has been a shift from large numbers of miners with pick axes and wheelbarrows to smaller numbers of highly trained professionals manning a set of excavation machine. Similarly the mass of valuable minerals extracted per man-hour has gone up significantly.

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MissMinutes
MissMinutes

I've been wondering if there is any form of economy that actually results in a surplus. In applied capitalism, wealthy corporatism control the distribution of resources, and in applied communism, government officials control the distribution of resources, so it's picking one form of elite over another.

Also, I can't think of any form of economy that actually increases one's buying power. Inflation is necessary to avoid stagnation, but it still devalues the currency. Raising wages to keep up with inflation also may drive inflation, or at least knee-jerk pricing gouging from corporations and vendors, so I'm not seeing any good answers.

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ringkun
ringkun

in reply to MissMinutes

>I've been wondering if there is any form of economy that actually results in a surplus

This might sound like a good thing, but an efficient economy wouldn't have surplus, surplus is excess and it isn't a good thing. A free market in theory can generate a shortage despite they're existing surplus because it's a matter of distribution. In theory, a market would naturally balance itself so supply and demand comes to an equilibrium, although albeit it's not instant. The consequence of the free market isn't that it will provide for everyone, it's to ideally have the supply match with the demand, having a surplus goes against that. But I suppose surplus is good because that would mean that you can give the good to a larger amount of people, however the inefficiency comes because you can only make good to all the surplus if people actually bothers to use the good, and because it's a surplus it would naturally not be used fully by everyone even if you give them to everyone for free.

Additionally, just because someone has a surplus of something, that doesn't mean they are making good out of it.

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RWallace514
RWallace514

in reply to MissMinutes

No. The key assumption of economics is that there is only a limited amount of goods to satisfy unlimited human desire. Even if you provide a surplus today, in about ten years, the people will have grown to encompass that surplus and then some.

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SufferScotch
SufferScotch

There's no easy way out of work, being in a leftist commune would only mean that the work would be more evenly distributed and leave more time for the previously full time laborers to follow their passions due to more of the work being given to those profiting off of work they didn't have to do. When you live in a community you need to work for the community to thrive yourself. Even in the goddamn garden of Eden they still needed to maintain crops and do manual labor.

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SicklyVivian
SicklyVivian

in reply to SufferScotch

As someone that took a class on Marx just to fill out a college schedule and get credits, my professor from that class and by extension the ghost of Marx and Engels would be laughing at these people. To quote my professor on this: in the commune, someone has to clean the toilets. The people who go on how they'll be doing a job in the commune should realize that the point of the commune at least is as you said: the work's more evenly distributed and there will still be manual labor because someone has to do things like farming, heavy lifting, and the like.

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Gumshoe
Gumshoe

in reply to SufferScotch

>more time for the previously full time laborers to follow their passions due to more of the work being given to those profiting off of work they didn't have to do

Eh, I think that's even a pretty dubious claim. Maybe in Marx's time things were different, but these days the amount of completely idle rich people is very low. If they all got put to work doing manual labour it would not have much of an impact on the amount of work everyone else needs to do. The super wealthy people these days are largely ones who own large shares of big companies, but they still also work pretty excessively long hours themselves. If you re-allocated Elon Musk from doing 60 hours or whatever he does in his current job as CEO to sweeping floors or working on an assembly line, it's not going to free up lots of time for the existing janitors or assembly-line workers.

If anything, if you followed a socialist model of worker-ownership, workers would probably have to give even more of their time to their jobs since they have the responsibility of making big decisions for the company and not just clocking out at the end of the day like most of us do now.

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Gumshoe
Gumshoe

This is basically just the far-left version of "what would you do if you won the lottery?" because these people genuinely think that communism is when everyone effectively wins the lottery. The other day on Twitter I saw someone defending Hasan's massive house by basically saying "there's nothing hypocritical about this, his goal is just that we can implement socialism so all people will have houses like his".

It's amazing the number of people on the left who think that things like demand and finite resources only exist because of capitalism, and if we managed to get past that it would be like Neo seeing through the matrix to be able to do bend the laws of physics and do anything we want.

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David "Garsedj" Touchdown
David "Garsedj" Touchdown

Communism doesn't work but it's always interesting to talk about it because it allows you to see what things that are unrelated to capitalism are being associated to it by capitalists.

Choosing a job you like? sorry bud, it's only under my system! Only the free market provides an endless number of comfortable jobs as tarot card readers and uniform designers.
Under any other system, there's no computer, no food, no electricity and no entertainment. Trust me.

What do you mean jobs under capitalism are tied to supply and demand, capital and skill level?

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Timelord420
Timelord420

in reply to Kenetic Kups

The guiding hand is revisionist history that isn’t even found in any of the volumes of Adam Smith’s the wealth of nations. Capitalism isn’t a system meant to bring happiness or common good, it’s merely to facilitate human action through voluntary means of exchange

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