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every two Night Phases, these roles will receive a somewhat vague hint with which they can use to attempt to determine the identities of the Infiltrators. Other than that they are glorified

A mostly useless role until the respective Night Phase. For now, it's still too early. And the fun of Mafia is to try and keep your role to yourself.

@Crimeariver
You make an interesting point. Well, I think I will vote for Chowzburger, we need some results.

Here is the list for reference of how is considered "suspicious". Please refer to my full post in the previous page for full understanding, this is simply for reference reading.

LeBron James
Natsuru Springfield
Minty
Chowzburgers
CrowTheMagician No reason for suspicion
Cecaelia Girlie
Sergeant Arch Dornan
Twisty
RandomMan – Deceased – Villager
Laud Piestrings No reason for suspicion
Gary The Stromtrooper No reason for suspicion
Crimea
Lord Starscream Cleared from NON
NON – Deceased – Don
madcat (<3)
You Are Reading This
justThisFool
Sam
Risette
Stalemate
Freelancer – Deceased – Villager
unusedusername – Inactive initially, dismissed of suspicion
Mad Science No reason for suspicion
Kaguya
Hackenbacker – Inactive initially, dismissed of suspicion

Well, darn. I guess that makes the loss of our Don even more devastating.

People are bound to die. His death was not in vain, gave a very large hint that allowed me to compile the list. It is unfortunate he died early on, but we can manage through careful reading and a clear mind.

Not voting off some rando at this point would force one of the safe roles (doc, lefty, righty, etc.) to reveal, which would be even worse than getting rid of a villager. The infiltrators would instantly kill them once the doctor is gone.

@Crimeariver
Chowz seems like an acceptable target in rational terms, so I'll back the votes.

I suppose so. If anyone has any reason against Chowz, then tell us. I'd also like to hear his defense claim.

Chowzburgers

We don't really have anyone to accuse at this point, so I'll just jump the gun and say chowzburger

Make chowz kill because peer pressure.

chowz it is the, I guess.

Agreed.

And I suppose I'll cast my vote for chowzburgerz as well.

I was gonna join the bandwagon… But I'm changing it to Gary. Why?

He's taking too much control. >_>

Those that speak too much are often the ones hiding too much, I vote Gary as well.

I'm with Cecaelia, for all we know Gary could be an infiltrator leading suspicion off his own members.
I'll vote him.

Well, if this is it, old boy, I hope you don't mind if I go out speaking the King's.

Go ahead. You're losing one of the only people that's making progress. There really is no reason to vote against me, but fine.

Regret it later.

Entertain me. Give me a solid, good, reinforced reason to vote against me. Chowzburger might not be the most suspicious, but I'm someone that's actually helping. Can't say that for most people.

However, this brings up an interesting point. Because I am the one making progress here, it would precisely be the idea of an infiltrator to vote against those that are solving this case. I change my vote to Cecaelia Girlie.

Is he taking too much control or are you an infiltrator wanting to get rid of our major source of help?

Gary must go away.

I'm voting Cacaelia. But we definitely need to keep our eye on Gary.

Girlie and Hackenbacker have a good point, I retract my previous vote on Chowz and back the vote on Gary.

im voting for girlie because gary has been helpful

I also vote for Gary, because he seems to know a lot about the situation and there isn't much to go off of

I change my vote from Chowz to Cecaelia Girlie

Yeah, but if an infiltrator were to get accused,wouldn't it also be precisely be the idea of an infiltrator to try to shift the suspicion to the one who was accusing him?

Yes but wouldn't an infiltrator also try to get rid of anyone who would be remotely helpful to the villagers? That's why I say your the real infiltrator. Infact I bet the real reason Gary is helping us is not because he's a infiltrator but because his either lefty or righty.

I know the situation because I use logic and my brain. Not because I'm an infiltrator. Mindless accusations are being thrown about, under what premises?

Oh, no, in fact, pardon me for attempting to solve the murders. Go ahead, execute your best chance for finding these infiltrators, you'll be dead within the week.

[throws down cigar]

Make up your minds. And choose wisely.

@Cecaelia

wouldn’t it also be precisely be the idea of an infiltrator to try to shift the suspicion to the one who was accusing him?

What manner of logic is this? You do realize you are directing the blame away from yourself this very moment with that message? Besides, any sane man facing death would want to defend themselves. Here this, I will not sit idly by as innocents are murdered and false justice is delivered.

All this worthless arguing, this alone is a death sentence for me, as you are only attracting the attention of the infiltrators. Simply not joining the bandwagon has caused quite a stir. Pause for a moment, think about what I have done, about the logic of both sides, and then determine your actions. I find that there is nothing to blame me for. You may go ahead and list the nonexistent reasons.

He was the one who crossed out his own name on the list, saying he wasn't suspicious. Vanity or protection? Hard to figure out. Then again, he has helped us. Must have had lots of experience about this before. That and I'm sacred he's going to hunt me next. I'm conflicted!

Unless he's the Lefty or Righty, he has no true advantage here, he's just the one taking initiative. Anyone could take the leadership role if they decide to.

Plus, take a look at his list, I just noticed something. He crossed off his own name, saying "there's no reason for suspicion." Don't you think that's a little odd that he deciding for himself whether or not he's suspicious?
Edit: Oh hey, guess I wasn't the only one who noticed that!

@Gary: Infiltrator or not, no need to get so mad! I'm just going off the few clues I have, okay?

Well of course I'm taking the blame off myself, we both are, neither of us want to die!

He does cause he was in the last few games before this one like me.

I think I'm changing my vote to Gary

- He has random people crossed off as "not suspicious" but why?
- Trying to kill Chowz for some unknown reason i know i jumped on the bandwagon but forgive me ;_;
- Has support from a lot of people
- Has a bit too much sway in the conversation

Also, If I had to guess who the infiltrators are based off what's been said so far, and his list , I'd say it's Crow , Mad Science , himself , and some other two guys, maybe Hackenbacker and Crimea?

I might be grasping at straws, and taking out a helpful member, but he's still pretty suspicious in my opinion.

That's it, I'm more scared of Gary then anyone else here! I change my vote! Sorry, Girlie, I do this out of fear of that man alone…

Has no one been paying attention? I wrote not suspicious precisely because they are not suspicious. Need I justify this? Refer to page two, on the bottom area. They are not suspicious because they have done nothing against NON.

Lord strike me down if I am an infiltrator. You're actions are only provoked through empty lies and incoherent thinking. Is it really wrong to analyze all this?

I crossed my own name off for a reason. The list is based off of those who opposed NON. No one openly did. Which clears the people crossed out. Those that are not crossed out are people suspicious. Must I explain this like a pre-school teacher? What do you not understand?

@Cecaelia
Clues? What clues. List. Them. Out.

I advise everyone this. Do not vote for no reason. Have a justifiable, concrete evidence that backs your claim. I have done this. Those voting to kill me have not.

Well wouldn't you cross out your own name if you made a list like that? I'm going off on a hunch that most of the people who are voting Gary out are infiltrators cause when I was an infiltrator in a previous game my group did the same thing. You know if we had a hunter hear we could have used him or her to find out whether Gary is innocent or not, or better yet a seer.

>Openly admitting to taking out a helpful member.

This early in the game, and you want to remove me. Later, if I prove guilty, fine, but now? When we are given scarcely a clue? If the villagers wish to survive, then we need members that are willing to analyze each clue.

The evidence is all here, anyone can talk about it. It's not like we have to rely on one person to analyze all the clues. Why are you trying to boost your importance all of a sudden? And you said that you would need concrete evidence to vote against someone, yet vote against Chowz for no reason other then to advance the plot. I don't want to remove you, I'm just a little suspicious, and there are no other suspects at the moment.

Gary, lad, I changed my vote to someone else, but you need to calm down. Put down the whiskey and ease up. Not even Freelancer defended himself this much, calm down. Make the scene at your execution if it comes to it.

"Empty lies"
What lies? I'm serious, please tell me the things I have said that you think is a lie.

Clues:
1.Playing the Leadership role.
2.Like Lebron/Roarshack says you keep emphasizing your importance as if you are the only one who can do this job. And either that's the words of an infiltrator desperately trying to stay in, or a person who's being a little arrogant right now. Or is just taking this too seriously.

I'm changing my vote from Chowz to Girlie.

Ok, here we go.

@LeBron
I already stated why I voted for Chowz. No need for me to bring it up again. My importance is, if you will, my security. Otherwise, I'm just an unnoteworthy individual. If you don't want to remove me, then withdraw your vote. I can't make sense with you if your words are conflicting your actions.

@Hacken
This is a result of you all accusing me.

@Cecaelia

He’s taking too much control. >_>

wouldn’t it also be precisely be the idea of an infiltrator to try to shift the suspicion to the one who was accusing him?

Unless he’s the Lefty or Righty, he has no true advantage here, he’s just the one taking initiative. Anyone could take the leadership role if they decide to.

Look, all of what you're saying that's directed against me can be explained.
Taking control, this may be suspicious, but I'm not the one leading the votes. Here's my role: analyzing the clues and concluding with logical inferences. This does not equate to leadership.

Now, I'm not the only one, it's just others have simply failed to take notice of the clues. This does not mean others are incapable, nor does it mean I am stopping them. It means I am the first, and so far only, to thoroughly dissect the clues. My claim is to say this, I have interpreted the clues to help us with a mystery. This was my original intention. Not to assume control.

Arrogance is a funny word, you can label me it, sure, but in the end, I'm not wrong.

Your "lies" are accusing me as infiltrator. Arrogance + leadership ≠ Infiltrator. Perhaps not the best choice of words, but
OOC: I'm tired as hell, had a bad day, and when I originally stayed calm and defended myself people don't understand my points. I can't hold everyone's hands and explain myself. Read carefully, and think carefully. Simple as that.

tbh, at this point i feel like taking down someone other than the most helpful member would be better this early in game and would benefit us, even if gary has been rather suspicious

if girlie turns out girlie was innocent then maybe we can start considering gary to not be so helpful, not like it matters since this is probly gonna be my last round

Woah everyone, Cecaelia is not an infiltrator. I cast my vote on girlie because I myself was accused as an infiltrator.

Refer back to the last. See the 14 names? 5 are infiltrators. 9 are innocents. Presumably, if that list is correct, as it is based on the NON incident.

Any of them has the potential to be an infiltrator or villager. All suspects are innocent until proven guilty.

@Garry OOC:
It's ok bro, I've had a rough day too. Sorry they all accused you, but it is a game, and I bet there will be a time when we all kick and scream when the eyes are cast upon us as well. I probably will as well. Get some rest, and it's going to be fine. I'm probably going to be dead soon as well, I don't look good in the eyes of my peers for some odd reason, but we all gotta work together, even if it means a few of us die in the end.

If I am ruining the game for anyone, I will gladly step out.

I'm not angry, just agitated. Cast your votes, if I die, so be it.

OOC: Woah, woah, no worries, you're not ruining anything.

Okay, now I'm pretty conflicted now.

Twisty does have a point that even if he's suspicious, he's helping us out… But we're risking ourselves if he's an infiltrator. Is it worth it?

Gary seems to be sincere, and in a way is trying to shift blame away from me, but is it an elaborate act?
And I'm not really sure how accusing someone as an infiltrator is a lie….

You're not ruining the game. Each one should have it's outspoken member. I'm thinking more and more that you are involved, but trying to help us. Ease up, lad. I don't want to give back the laundry of a dead innocent man like I had to do to Freelancer.

If Gary is an infiltrator then he would only lead us to innocents, if he leads us to an infiltrator he's probably innocent. If by some chance he is an infiltrator and leads us to another one to remove suspicion, then I would expect the other infiltrators to gang up on him to remove the traitor.

OOC: Boy I'm having flashbacks to the time Bob accused me of being a werewolf.

I say to test out if Gary is innocent or not is to see if his original target of "Chowz* is true. If Chowz is indeed an infiltrator than Gary is on to something if Chowz is i not than either we are playing to the hands of infiltrator or he messed up.

Sounds reasonable. Anything to keep Mr. Stormtrooper from hunting me down. You're saying we all vote for Chowz now?

Chowz is still a wild card. Note my list is prone to flaws. It was a risky move, but I gamble occasionally.

Remember, we voted for Chowz because he hasn't really spoken up. He has yet to defend himself. It's suspicious, but it doesn't mean he is an infiltrator. My list should be a guiding tool, not a holy book to follow by.

Erm, I'm just gonna choose Hackenbacker, 'cause I don't know what's going on ;_;

Gary has some fair points, which was really all I needed, so I will change my vote to Chowz