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Last posted Nov 01, 2011 at 07:44PM EDT. Added Oct 06, 2011 at 09:41PM EDT
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Well, I was wondering: Do you think that there will be an episode that shows exactly what happened beetwen Celestia and Luna before she’s sent to the moon? In the style, Twilight asks Pricess Celestia for the truth behind their fight and the episode is a whole flashback of the happening?

I don't see why the e/i requirement for educational content prevents this concept. All you'd need is something like where Fluttershy and Rarity used, explained, and gave an example of "biting off more than you can chew" (a dead obvious teaching moment.) Also, there might be a lesson in leaving people who you know are a bad influence on you (banishment). We're no longer talking about 5 or 6 year old girls. Some of these may be 10, 11, or older. That's about the time where kids make difficult decisions about who they hang out with. It could make sense.

And then the viewer in me loves back story.

Oh, Connor? Not all furries are sexual in their activities, much like Bronies. I'd answer your previous questions, but it'd be too long. And you wouldn't want to read all of that, now would you?

Ric Te$l@ wrote:

Well ima go to bed but me and Karnage are gonna play some extreme tag remember Karnage..

Who says I have to hide?

Ok, so now that you've all had a good seven pages to totally forget about my comic I'm still looking for some real critique here. I need constructive criticism and ways to improve my methods, and I still need advice for what I should do next.

I'm kinda swinging in the wind here, I got too many ideas and not enough input to commit myself to any one of them. I don't know what the public would like and how I could go about making it happen. Could somepony please help me out?

Sparty the Spaceship wrote:

So am I to understand that there's been a 'Towelie Ban'?

I believe Yemen-tioned something about that, but this is all too Sudan for me. If you'd Kuwait a minute while Iran it through Google, I'll think of a good response. Syria then!

Last edited Oct 13, 2011 at 10:27PM EDT

Gigatoast wrote:

Ok, so now that you've all had a good seven pages to totally forget about my comic I'm still looking for some real critique here. I need constructive criticism and ways to improve my methods, and I still need advice for what I should do next.

I'm kinda swinging in the wind here, I got too many ideas and not enough input to commit myself to any one of them. I don't know what the public would like and how I could go about making it happen. Could somepony please help me out?

…what comic? Mind linking it again for me, please?

Dr. Gregory Horse The Pony Medic wrote:

Oh boy, let me tell you: everybody sure loves my posts

EDIT: new avatar: Now I'm Dr. Gregory Horse

Nobody ever mentions my posts.

Verbose wrote:

Well, I was wondering: Do you think that there will be an episode that shows exactly what happened beetwen Celestia and Luna before she’s sent to the moon? In the style, Twilight asks Pricess Celestia for the truth behind their fight and the episode is a whole flashback of the happening?

I don't see why the e/i requirement for educational content prevents this concept. All you'd need is something like where Fluttershy and Rarity used, explained, and gave an example of "biting off more than you can chew" (a dead obvious teaching moment.) Also, there might be a lesson in leaving people who you know are a bad influence on you (banishment). We're no longer talking about 5 or 6 year old girls. Some of these may be 10, 11, or older. That's about the time where kids make difficult decisions about who they hang out with. It could make sense.

And then the viewer in me loves back story.

Oh, Connor? Not all furries are sexual in their activities, much like Bronies. I'd answer your previous questions, but it'd be too long. And you wouldn't want to read all of that, now would you?

Amendment:
Now I feel like a yiffer. And i dont give a buck. i will read anything to get away from este espanol.

Gigatoast wrote:

Ok, so now that you've all had a good seven pages to totally forget about my comic I'm still looking for some real critique here. I need constructive criticism and ways to improve my methods, and I still need advice for what I should do next.

I'm kinda swinging in the wind here, I got too many ideas and not enough input to commit myself to any one of them. I don't know what the public would like and how I could go about making it happen. Could somepony please help me out?

I wasn't here for your comic? Aw man.

@Random

I kinda like your posts.

Sparty the Spaceship wrote:

…what comic? Mind linking it again for me, please?

Oh come on, this is what happens when the thread goes all image board on us! I don't even feel like making a hyperlink.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1849/gfpep1p1.jpg

Ric Te$l@ wrote:

Well ima go to bed but me and Karnage are gonna play some extreme tag remember Karnage..

Speaking of Cupcakes. That is what is being served at my birthday party.

You should read Rocket to Insanity, moar graphic murder with less talking.

Gigatoast wrote:

Oh come on, this is what happens when the thread goes all image board on us! I don't even feel like making a hyperlink.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1849/gfpep1p1.jpg

Read it.

Try writing down all your ideas and deciding which one you want to do first.

Unlike Applejack, I got it.

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Gigatoast wrote:

Oh come on, this is what happens when the thread goes all image board on us! I don't even feel like making a hyperlink.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1849/gfpep1p1.jpg

lol, rainbow dash.

I noticed a strange lack of pinkie pie in that page giga, i'm a bit concerned.

But srsly, what exactly do you what from us (criticism, help with ideas, tips, etc.)?

And once again the forum died. Goodnight everypony. I look forward to a long night tomorrow.

>implying that you need to hang out with him because he has no life whatsoever.

Last edited Oct 13, 2011 at 11:05PM EDT

@Gigatoast I'm not great at developing fictional concepts. I'll say that although the comic was based very much on characters in the show and exactly how they'd interact with each other, but it was something to just read. I can't say I'd read a full fanfiction based on this unless it was fleshed out more. A lot of what could carry this set-up in the show (i.e., voice acting, animation, sound/bgm) isn't present here, so some more conflict (e.g., Zecora getting madder with RD or something) needs to occur.

On that point, I'd say that a lot of that would be remedied if the story simply continued to its completion. As it is, it just seems like a clip of a storyboard, but it'd be sweet if it continued to an end. You said there'd be a little more conflict, but I don't have any good suggestions for how to create that. I'd suggest making a joke at about the same frequency as if the comic continued as is (i.e., You set up the situation and made a joke at the end in this comic. Develop things for as long as you did in the first comic for the next comic/fanfiction and make another joke somewhere in that span. And so forth…just keep the funny in there at the current comic's pace as if it was lengthened.)

If you're not relying on mindless cuteness (I'm not knocking it, by the way,) you'd need a pretty cool story (which it may develop into by its completion,) and/or a good bit of clever humor throughout the rest of it. I'm looking forward to consuming the rest of it.

supermonday wrote:

lol, rainbow dash.

I noticed a strange lack of pinkie pie in that page giga, i'm a bit concerned.

But srsly, what exactly do you what from us (criticism, help with ideas, tips, etc.)?

I just need some direction, virtually all the feedback I've gotten so far has been "cool comic bro", though shallow praise can make me feel nice in the end I'm left kinda empty. To me that comic was just practice, an attempt to hone my drawing and page composition skills.

What should I work on next, and what should I do differently when I do it? I'm not asking you to tell me what to do, but I need more input if I'm going to progress in a direction I con commit to.

I could continue this particular story (it would take a very long time), I could work on a comic characterizing an FC (people don't take too kindly to fan characters and I'd prefer to have some sort of following before I pulled something like that), or I could do a short one-off with a minor character (which I doubt would be very rewarding). In the end I want to have some sort of ongoing series.

EDIT: Thank you Verbose. There is a lot more to this story that I'd really love to flesh out, it's just hard to keep up the same level of commitment all the way through. It took me a painfully long time to get this far so on one hand the thought of continuing is daunting, but on the other I don't want to have done all this for one lame punchline.

Last edited Oct 13, 2011 at 11:24PM EDT

@Connor Never have I felt such widely varying emotions towards a user's posts. You have my goat on lock.

What were those questions again…

  • Best R34?
    • The Berry Pnuch (no typo) tumblr. No doubt. It's definitely Rule 34, but I follow it because some of the responses to the requests are terribly clever and hilarious.(link to an individual tumblr post…not Rule 34 in this question)
  • Worst R34
    • Megasweet mixes of pony and human. It's awkward enough for me to see actually cartoon pony Rule 34. Human and pony mixing it up is just too much.
  • Oh God Why Rule 34
    • Same. I don't remember anything in particular. I know oral and fingering was going on, but I never could look for long. I did intentionally go to look once (for the reason below), but…I was truly disturbed.
  • That I've clopped to?
    • Megasweet. I really do like the humanization quality by themselves. It's right up there with thelivingmachine which I'd strongly suggest. because it's R34 free and gets the expressions down cold. However, the experience was still too weird even avoiding the mixing of pony and human, and I've never gone looking since. I had to move on to non-Pony related stuff for the rest of my session.

Now go do your homework, and stop avoiding the Spanish. They're good people, and you know it.

but on the other I don’t want to have done all this for one lame punchline.

I liked that punchline, thank you very much. But I know what you're trying to get at. Simply, with your knowledge of fiction (you seem to have a good grasp of what something should be to be of high quality,) I can imagine the entire story to be at least somewhat enjoyable for readers and probably more than that in terms of fulfillment in reading a comic. Just keep the funny in there and keep the story moving along, and I would read it and I think I'd enjoy it.

I'll let you decide whether you want to put in the work to draw to its completion. But should you, let me see it, yo.

@badsitrep You want I should post a photo of myself for her?

If this doesn't encourage anyone to swing by, then it's just not happening.

Verbose wrote:

but on the other I don’t want to have done all this for one lame punchline.

I liked that punchline, thank you very much. But I know what you're trying to get at. Simply, with your knowledge of fiction (you seem to have a good grasp of what something should be to be of high quality,) I can imagine the entire story to be at least somewhat enjoyable for readers and probably more than that in terms of fulfillment in reading a comic. Just keep the funny in there and keep the story moving along, and I would read it and I think I'd enjoy it.

I'll let you decide whether you want to put in the work to draw to its completion. But should you, let me see it, yo.

@badsitrep You want I should post a photo of myself for her?

If this doesn't encourage anyone to swing by, then it's just not happening.

Come again?

Compiling new list of things:

Obstacles to overcome to become a true brony.

Admittance of being a brony.
Use of pony vocabulary.
Coming to terms with clopping (whether or not you do it yourself) and accepting it.
Loving and tolerating.
Not taking anything personally/seriously.

Add things. I'll make an infographic later and you will all be jelly.

Couldn't find that Nightmare Moon pic from the other page sadly… But I found something lulzy

I also give up on trying to find that super show accurate Twilight Sparkle plush… If anypony has any information on it, please give it to me. I've been obsessing over it for 2 months.

Last edited Oct 14, 2011 at 12:37AM EDT

Erin ◕ω◕ wrote:

Couldn't find that Nightmare Moon pic from the other page sadly… But I found something lulzy

I also give up on trying to find that super show accurate Twilight Sparkle plush… If anypony has any information on it, please give it to me. I've been obsessing over it for 2 months.

Rarity: Now all you need is a hat.

badsitrep wrote:

Come again?

I must have missed your comment on the R34 and gore. I wouldn't want to bring a new Brony, male or female, into this mess unless they're particularly thick-skinned or enjoy it all.

But I just phrased "Do you want me to show a picture of myself (my avatar, not me)?" awkwardly based on something a picked up from a Garfield comic ("Do you want I should burst into flame?") to entice her to come visit, implying that the teal deer picture is irresistible.

nukefire wrote:

So, i've finally got some time after a busy couple of weeks, anything of great interest/importance happen since the premiere?

  • Episode 2. Even after some time to let it settle, I think it is my favorite episode.
  • Weirdo told Lauren Faust about R34ing her alicorn.
  • Episode 4 confirmed for a special character focus (highlight below to see)
    • Luna "Halloween" and perhaps a scene focused on Derpy
  • Week gap between Episode 4 and 5.
  • New thread here. Welcome.
  • Lots of R34. Waiting for Mr. Banhammer to swing by.
  • Some gore. Mr. Banhammer will probably just scoff at it.
  • Lots of posts on the speed of the thread.
  • Kalmo trolling rapturjesus
  • rapturjesus getting week long ban for trolling the thread (and for months of trolling before)
  • Nintendork64 swung by and gave an account of his experience with the show.
  • Gigatoast gave us a cool comic. He's looking for some constructive critiques if you want to look back several pages and find it. He linked to it once and gave the URL more recently.
  • Had a discussion on personal experiences with R34, debating R34's place on the Web and on this thread (more specifically how to point people to it).
  • Cameron and Nathan are new to the thread. Cameron is quiet. Nathan is not. Both are welcome here.
  • Connor is Conversationalist now.
    • I'm jelly about that.
  • I used no words for a day only posting pictures.
  • I made a list of things occurring on this thread.
Last edited Oct 14, 2011 at 02:02AM EDT

Verbose wrote:

but on the other I don’t want to have done all this for one lame punchline.

I liked that punchline, thank you very much. But I know what you're trying to get at. Simply, with your knowledge of fiction (you seem to have a good grasp of what something should be to be of high quality,) I can imagine the entire story to be at least somewhat enjoyable for readers and probably more than that in terms of fulfillment in reading a comic. Just keep the funny in there and keep the story moving along, and I would read it and I think I'd enjoy it.

I'll let you decide whether you want to put in the work to draw to its completion. But should you, let me see it, yo.

@badsitrep You want I should post a photo of myself for her?

If this doesn't encourage anyone to swing by, then it's just not happening.

Okokokok, I don't want to come across as desperate for attention so I'll try to keep from bothering you all about my problems too much.

But you're right, I've come too far to give up on the comic now. I'll attempt to start up the next part, hopefully I can do it more cleanly an efficiently so it's not as grueling of a process. And trust me when I say this first part was the absolute worst bit of writing in the script, past this it gets a lot better. (if you wanted to see the script I could PM you a sample, if that's what you meant)

Good, great, it feels good to have a heading again! Thank you… but first there's a contest on EqD I need to take part in. :D

And trust me when I say this first part was the absolute worst bit of writing in the script, past this it gets a lot better. (if you wanted to see the script I could PM you a sample, if that’s what you meant)

That's good to know, but by no means do I mean it's bad. If you have the script, then I can say whether or not I think it seems slow or if it seems entertaining (pending panels to go with it, but I can imagine those and guess at how it would work out.) If you send it, then I'll keep it quiet and message back some thoughts on it. If not, then I can wait for the finished product or the next step in the progress and comment on it altogether.

And I'm glad to help. Cute and…other attributes have their place, but it'll be nice to see some more good comics made in the spirit of the show. I'll keep an eye out for my wall (I saw the wall post, by the way) and my inbox either way. And good luck on that contest.

Last edited Oct 14, 2011 at 02:21AM EDT

@Verbose
Thanks dude, once again my faith in bronydom is restored, I don't think I'd find someone awesome as you in a different fandom.

I'll refine the script a bit, then I may just send you a copy to see what you think. Later though, I have to get ready for new ponies tomorrow.

Last edited Oct 14, 2011 at 02:32AM EDT

@Gigatoast:

Well you asked for criticism so by god you're going to get it. Be aware though that I do this because you asked. I found the original comic pretty great and loved the art and didn't really feel the need to critique it. so please don't take this criticism the wrong way, I'm kinda digging deep in my inner cynic. :(

Concerning art, I really can't help you there. I can barely draw stick figures but from what I've heard from people who do these kind of long term projects, you get exponentially better as time goes on and learn shortcuts to make your workflow more streamlined.

As for writing and panel placement, the writing is great and the punchline was clever ( a bit too clever for its own good really….)

As for panels, there's a lot of wasted panels here of ponies simply picking up retch root that you simply do not need to show over and over again. A reader is okay with it since he can just glance quickly over a panel with no text but it makes work much harder for you as an artist drawing all these unnecessary extra frames. Look at all this unnecessary work you gave yourself!

I do this because I love Giga. Don't hate me T__T

Gigatoast wrote:

I just need some direction, virtually all the feedback I've gotten so far has been "cool comic bro", though shallow praise can make me feel nice in the end I'm left kinda empty. To me that comic was just practice, an attempt to hone my drawing and page composition skills.

What should I work on next, and what should I do differently when I do it? I'm not asking you to tell me what to do, but I need more input if I'm going to progress in a direction I con commit to.

I could continue this particular story (it would take a very long time), I could work on a comic characterizing an FC (people don't take too kindly to fan characters and I'd prefer to have some sort of following before I pulled something like that), or I could do a short one-off with a minor character (which I doubt would be very rewarding). In the end I want to have some sort of ongoing series.

EDIT: Thank you Verbose. There is a lot more to this story that I'd really love to flesh out, it's just hard to keep up the same level of commitment all the way through. It took me a painfully long time to get this far so on one hand the thought of continuing is daunting, but on the other I don't want to have done all this for one lame punchline.

I wish i could give you some criticism but sadly, i am no art critic.
What i can do is talk about the writing and the layout.

I agree with phoneix that the end panels are a bit confusing, you may want to order the panels in a more uniform way. I also agree with a few of phoneix that some of those panels don't need to be there, if you think the story can continue without a panel it should (in most cases) be dropped.

With the story/plot itself i found only a few problems. The story seemed RD focused but you only gave the "background" ponies a slight mention before tossing them away (i'm surprised twilight, the master of friendship, only said one or two things before ignoring RD's unwillingness to help their friend zecora). I like how you made this end on a funny note instead of having it be a boring story about them helping zecora, having something sad happen, having it make no sense or having something horrible happen (comedy is best pony =P). I like they way you played each character, you didn't sway far from their canon personalities at all.

that's about it, i can write a better review of an actual strip when you start on the actual comic and not just a practice one.

Side Note: Zecora, i am dissapoint at how easily you fell into that.

You silly pegasus, her color is obvious,
and your attempts to trick me are quite humorous.

Skeletor-sm

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