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It's rather arbitrary, but this video is a rant about the Star Citizen controversy. There's a mention of the article by The Escapist and Derek Smart:

I am totally sure FullMcIntosh believe this.

^ He'd believe anything that supports the narrative

1. Yes, that's what I figured, but still, I have my doubts about him. Particularly because we've spent 3 class sessions on this already. More than any other subject so far. I agree with you on not becoming what I hate. I am not out to ban anything. It is a major thing in the industry, and it would be foolish not to address it. However, I still don't think it was necessary to watch all three FF "Damsel" videos, which he even pointed out are very much like cult indoctrination videos.

2. I already have my sources for the review. I haven't needed them yet, but still. What I was wanting was something in case the review or me standing up for GG in general would come back to bite me. I already do have a dossier, it's KYM. However, I don't think someone would take a meme news site seriously, even if the community on here are such sticklers for facts, sources, citations and logic.
DeepFreeze doesn't strike me as enough either. Really, I think what I'd have to do is just comb through all the stuff on here and the copy links and sources, save images, print out stuff, etc.

Thank you, though.

@Dioxin Jimmy

If he pointed out that Anita's videos are the feminist equivalent of We Stand Tall then he'll almost certainly be fine.

Is this real life?
Did Elementary did a Gamer Gate episode?

First time posting in this forum, and I've got news of some social-justice related vidya censorship:

I'm much more concerned about the latter change than the former (sexualisng minors is not something I agree with, obviously), but what do you guys think?

@MexPirateRed
No, the episode wasn't about or relative to GamerGate.
If the episode of Elementary was about it, Dr. Sarkeesian would have had to have been a woman, been subjected to relentless harassment, or killed by an extremely misogynistic person because said killer touched a game controller once and doesn't entirely agree with Dr. Sarkeesian's opinions.

So, The Game Awards noms have been announced. Will you guys be angry if Her Story wins an award like Best Indie? Also, if you did meet a SJW, what would you do?

I have nothing against Her Story or its developers, as I don't think they are antis. Also I've heard a lot of good things about that game.

If I met an SJW (I assume you mean IRL), I would probably try to avoid any topic of conversation that was social justice related, but if I had to talk about that, I would try to debate them calmly (what else would I do?).

No offence dude, but those are kind of silly questions. Do you expect us to say we would bomb a hospital if either happened?

Okay, thanks for answering. Anyways, here's the list of the jury and advisors of The Game Awards. Which names are you most suspicious about? Which names are you most confident about?

http://thegameawards.com/jury-and-advisors/

Well, it's just some users' comments towards SJW have been a little radical, but I want to believe that the KYM faction of GG would fall under the response you mentioned.

Is there any corruption (missing money, promotion by journo friends without proper disclosure, it only got in due to connections) around Her Story I should know about?

Given the reactions Undertale would be a better candidate, but who knows?

If I met an SJW I'd just point out the flaws with their claims/actions and laugh in their face as they rage.

Unless it's some more heinous actions then I'd say "what the fuck are you doing you sick monster?"

And if it's a mob intent on violence (as seen at Mizzou) I'd stay calm, get the evidence, and then press charges (like the student did).

As for judges, Chris Grant is a big red flag. He hasn't done much personally but as EiC of Polygon everything done there is his responsibility (excluding the incidents from before he got in).

And Keith Stuart is a standard SJW prude.

For good we have Richard Lewis who regardless of being a dick knows his stuff, and isn't going to censor himself for politics.

A Real Libertarian:

Yeah, I too think that if the Best Indie award came down to Her Story and Undertale, Undertale wins by a landslide. Not to take anything away from Her Story, but it just hasn't had the same kind of phenomenal impact that Undertale has. I don't think there's any way Undertale doesn't win that award.

Now, about the Zoe Quinn movie:

It was only optioned to be produced into a movie. That doesn't mean it'll actually get made.

Hollywood is littered with the corpses of movies never made. Some of them would've probably been good, but some are just awful (look up the unmade rough draft for the Watchmen movie from 1989. It's fucking hilarious).

Douglas Adams said that the process of Hollywood film-making was "like trying to grill a steak by having a succession of people coming into the room and breathing on it". If it does get made, it'll probably be after the shitstorm passes (and, hopefully, millions of rewrites) before reaching its final fate of late-night filler on cable and 45% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Or becoming forgotten, then rediscovered as the gamer version of Reefer Madness.

It's difficult to say, this is more down to keeping the game at a teen rating rather than caving to SJW pressure

I doubt it.

Off the top of my head, other Teen rated games with bust sliders and/or equally skimpy clothing include:

Soul Calibur V, Star Trek Online, The Sims 3.

As for whether it was "SJW Pressure", I can't say, could just be NOA's standard puritanical BS.

The only character the skimpy clothing is censored for is Lin, who is stated to be 13 years old, the changes do not apply to the other female characters, including the PC, the ESRB are very strict when it comes to underage characters. as for the removal of the boob slider, that could be chalked up to cultral differnces

Lin's censoring is at least somewhat understandable, so fair enough on that point.

As for the bust slider and it being "cultural differences", note that 2 of the 3 games I listed were developed in the US, so I don't think that's a valid excuse either.

Fair enough, I guess the boob slider was removed for the reason you said, just NOA being overly cautious

So in closing, the whole Xenoblade issue was down to ESRB guidelines (and by extension, cultural differences).

Doubleposted, whoops!

Do we have an official message from ESRB saying this is the case or is this another case of unnecessary self-censorship ala Mugen Souls from ghostlight?

For those of you who don't know, Ghostlight removed the ecchi minigames from their game even though ESRB didn't seem to care about it. The end result is the resources that you would normally use to engage in those minigames are there but the minigame just gets skipped if you ever use them.

I can understand that ESRB wouldn't want underaged minors being sexualized but that boob slider is another issue entirely. And even then the underaged minors thingie tends to be blurry when ESRB has let underaged minors be in rather risque costumes before.
http://xenosaga.wikia.com/wiki/File:MOMOcostume.png

Mr. Male Trope is awesome.

There have been cases where games have had to self censor in order to keep within ERSB guidelines, such as Kasumi's & Ayane's ages kept secret in Dead or Alive in the western release and I've even heard rumors that Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 almost got an AO rating because of certain scenes involving Rom, Ram & CFW Trick.

So whilst there has been no offical statment regarding the matter, it is more than likely the case

Is ERSB still necessary? At this point people who have played violent video games have grown up and should exactly know how those games affected them.

ESRB is supposed to be for parents to make judgement calls on what games they will let their children play.

However, they don't even use it, calling into question its effectiveness.

Danger Dolan's latest gaming relating countdown puts GamerGate as a whole as #2 on "Most Embarrassing Moments in Gaming." (at 6:32)

For anyone who doesn't want to click the video for some reason: he takes the middle road by saying he thinks both sides of the argument acted immature to him, comparing the whole thing to a schoolyard squabble where both sides can't come to any agreement and are basically throwing a hissy fit.

Ms Fortune:

Not surprised. That's become a popular stance for people who don't want to get involved, but still want to think they are better than everyone else. It's just a way for someone to feel better about their lack of action or interest.

I've stopped taking people like that seriously. The SXSW convention was different because they were getting harrassment, and just wanted to be excluded from the issue. They didn't do any of that "I'm right, you guys are all idiots" bullshit, like this guy is.

Also, how is Gamergate embarrassing? We've accomplished so much so far to stamp out incompetant journalism, and we're embarassing? GTFO. The guy needs his head examined.

You have to admit the amount of drama and vitriol over stating what everyone knew, that Video Game Journalists are unreliable and biased, is pretty embarrassing.

Evilthing said:

Is ERSB still necessary?

Absolutely. Without them, it'd be full-on government controlled ratings. That was the whole reason they were created in the first place. The ESA realized Congress was getting ready to hop on the Mortal Kombat moral panic and nipped things in the bud before we could go full Australia.

It also played a role in Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, where SCOTUS determined it was a sufficient method of safeguarding children and that "filling the remaining modest gap in concerned-parents' control can hardly be a compelling state interest."

@Ms Fortune

"Blah, blah, both sides are dumb. Blah, blah, look at how mature I am. Blah, blah."

He still has to follow the FTC's new regulations unless he wants his shit fucked up.

@Multiscoop, great guy

#SavePoint is back on exactly as it was before AntiGamer pitched a fit.

I wonder if they're going to call the President-Elect of the Society of Professional Journalists a "rando-at-best" again?

@Black Graphic T

It's also disturbing as hell when AntiGamer decided to defend this in the name of "Social Justice".

Although some of the drama is better then Pay-per-View, like the continuing death spiral of Gawker, (this just happened for example).

And of course everyone knowing they're corrupt and there being enough evidence to nail them for their corruption are very different things.

Before they knew not to publicly brag about payola, but with the rise of social media, the corruption becoming widespread enough to cause issues with gaming industries profitability, and SJWs getting in on the racket it was only a matter of time before everything came tumbling down.

I personally think it went pretty well, all of SOCJUS ran to back up AntiGamer and got hit with the backlash, the MSM stumbled into exposing their corruption/incompetence to the world, and GamerGate just. won't. stop. going.

The description.
With the recent news about Linkle for Hyrule Warriors Legends, I thought I'd do a video on a hypothetical Legend of Zelda game by the Feminist Frequency crew Jonathan McIntosh and Anita Sarkeesian.

I'm gonna assume he's talking about both sides, but I think he's talking about how both sides are acting. Your opposition is making big deals out of nothing not to mention harassing some of your supporters while you guys, at least through my eyes, have done absolutely nothing in the past month. You guys for the most part have done your job, now all you have to do is just be a reactionary media watchdog, pointing out any unethical conduct when it happens, but no, you need to go after the "SJWs" as well, so you still need to stay relevant, which in my opinion is just not worth it. Keep in mind, I still support this movement, but not with the attitude I had more than a year ago. And frankly I think he made a good point comparing this to a big schoolyard squabble, because it kind of is.

I'm most likely going to get downvoted for this, but these are just my thoughts.

This kind of thing is exactly why I was opposed to the 'big bad SJW menace' being under Gamergate's umbrella: there are far too many anti-social justice radicals out there, they're all cavorting around in the GG hashtag making us look like a bunch of tools.

I disagree with our purpose being finished, in the sense that almost all of the corrupt journalists are still employed and have sway in the industry to some degree. I think a huge milestone in Gamergate will be if we can get to the point where all of the journalists who contributed to the 'Gamers are dead' articles are gone. That will be an enormous achievement, but it's one we need to get to be a true success.

TotalBiscuit said early on in GG that we needed to keep our focus on just the ethics argument, which I am totally on board with. Ethics in games journalism involves them not pushing agendas in reviews, which has something to do with SJ. But at the same time, far too many people are extending their reach to ALL of social justice, trying to attack both issues at the same time under one hashtag, which I fear is a bad move.

On one hand, if we split up the hashtag, we can push forward our ethics crusade without the baggage of going after social justice and all of its modern day shortcomings.

On the other hand, if we do that, I don't know if that second movement will get very far. Gamergate has come pretty far for a loose band of gamers held together only by their mutual passion for this industry and a desire to protect it, but a movement against social justice and political correctness? I don't know… it's far easier to paint it as the boogeyman who hates minorities and women, and just be over and done with it. Sure, they did the same thing with GG, but we had neutrals turncoating by the dozen because we were all gamers, and people they can relate to. It STARTED with the ethics, it lives and dies by ethics. People can do their digging and realize what GG is truly about. Not so with an anti-SJ movement, because that at its core would be about driving out political correctness.

From a neutral perspective, you can see where that might get taken the wrong way.

An anti-social justice movement would, more or less, be held together more out of an intense dislike of the PC attitude, and not out of love for the hobby or the industry. Hate is a much more fragile alliance than love.

The Kunkel Awards were announced, Eron's legal precedent case is continuing, the SXSW panel made AntiGamer throw a week long tantrum in front of any potential business partners before it ended up being put back on the original way.

And that's just GamerGate alone, now with other people we've got Breitbart Tech being launched and the whole Mizzou & Yale situations resulting in SJWs getting serious mainstream condemnation.

And that's just the highlight reel.

"GamerGate is about ethical journalism, not SJWs" is as dumb as "America in WWII is at war with Japan, not Germany" (yes, yes, "Godwin's Law!", moving on). SJWs decided to attack us, we fought back, now they're dying.

You can't have ethical journalism when journalism is infested with people who regard lying in the name of The Cause™ to be a moral obligation and they have a bunch of non-journalists willing to help them. Right now that's SJWs.

Ah yes, "schoolyard squabble" just like every other person who thinks they're so above it all.

Danger Dolan can think whatever he wants, he still has to follow the regulations we got implemented.

There's 3 options here:

1. He doesn't know who was responsible for those new FTC regulations, and thus is too ignorant to have his opinion taken seriously.
2. He knows but can't understand how that's important, and thus is too arrogant to have his opinion taken seriously (getting FTC regulations in your favor is something Fortune 500 companies spend millions trying to achieve, and more then a few would literally kill for if they thought they could get away with it).
3. He knows but is too scared of media hit-pieces/SJW mobs to say what he thinks, in which case he's not saying his real opinion and thus what he says can't be taken seriously.

In the real world law enforcement isn't going to accept "But GlabityGable! Muh hurt-ass-ment! I was just being edgy!" when someone gets busted for corruption/tax fraud/child porn distribution.

If you get downvoted it's probably because you are factually speaking wrong, and still haven't provided that list of criticism you have of GamerGate despite how some have been waiting since May.

I wouldn't know because I didn't downvote you.

@Multiscoop, great guy

I'm telling you right now, ""fuck SJWs, fuck censorship, go free speech" is a lot more popular rallying cry then "ethical journalism".

"This article violates multiple sections of the SPJ's code" is generally going to get a reception of "so what?"

"This blue-haired landwhale says your favorite game/movie/book is offensive to xem and needs to be banned" generally gets a reception of "fuck that asshole".

Plus, I don't want to fill GamerGate with people who only care about ethical journalism until they get called a bigot and then they'll endorse Leigh Alexander's greatest hits in order to signal how Progressive™ they are.

SJWs will always call anyone who makes the tiniest sign of defiance to them "rapist-racist-cisist-misogynterrorists!", and they have a large number of media outlets who will regurgitate their lies with no fact-checking whatsoever (like how Brianna Wu is still used as a source for anything).

Plus, political correctness isn't popular. Obama has just denounced it yet again. And when Obama throws SJWs under the bus you know they've lost political credibility.

Don't worry too much about their lies, the world is waking up at an increasing pace.

Honestly Danger Dolan's not a bad person, I certainly feel he's one of the better "Top Whatever" list makers on YouTube (he even knew when to trim back on the amount of sub channels because the "movie specific" channel was just one too much even for him, the only reason his gaming channel stays separate is because that IS his original channel, the "general top whatevers" channel came second, and in the case of Planet Dolan that channel is focused primarily on animations meant for a younger audience). But I will grant, can he get clickbaity at times? Sure, but he's never really been very obnoxious, and his videos are harmless. You certainly don't have to agree with what he puts on his lists, and I've yet to see him being a jerk towards people who disagree with him.

But enough about the silly Australian whose username borrows from the Dolan meme.

I'm honestly just annoyed at how it's more confirmed how much Sarkeesian and McIntosh are hypocrites. A new female protagonist added to Zelda that's a strong and capable character who just so happens to resemble the main character? Cool, and hey isn't that something they wanted? Apparently not anymore because now they're just making up whatever excuse they can to act like Linkle is actually "problematic." This is why no one should try and cater to the likes of Sarkeesian and McIntosh, they will NEVER be satisfied.

There's no point in being mad at him (Someone is wrong on the internet! That's completely unheard of!), it's not like he's going to change anything and he hasn't done anything wrong I've heard of.

As for Josh & Anita, what they really want is to continue with their influence which requires them to constantly switch their positions in order to remain offended while maintaining the proper amount of attention (too little and they don't get money & power, too much and all their horrible words, deeds, and stances come marching out of the closet like the skeleton war just went nuclear).

So they have to complain about this because if they stop complaining about things they don't like they have nothing to do but praising the things they do like and then the whole Three-card Monte is revealed.

Remember the one time they decided to give an example of a "positive female character" they ended up with the Scythian from Sword & Sworcery EP? And how many people had fun listing all the ways she broke the FemFreq rules?

That's why they are always complaining, and that's why they're complete hypocritical. Because when the only stance someone has is "what's popular right now is wrong" they're always going to contradict themselves.

Not even Todd could handle their lies

@A Real Libertarian

I think adding "Fuck Corruption" to the rallying cry would be a good idea.

@Jellopy

Well, there are consequences for your actions. Kotaku is experiencing karma.

No, it should not be added. Profanity laced rally cries and other such things is for SJWs and feminists. Remember "F-H8" and how well that went over? How about "F-PhotoShop?" It died almost as soon as it was conceived.

It's part of what separates us from them. They swear instead of using adjectives and conjunctions. We are not out to offend everyone within earshot before we even really say anything. We have to make ourselves approachable by anyone.

We have to be professional, and answer to a higher standard.

And don't forget, their movements are almost always formed out of hate for something. Ours are out of love for this industry.

That is one of the biggest reasons we are still going after a year and a half, and they can't keep a trend longer than a week.

@Jellopy

Yes Kotaku, after spending years supporting censorship crusades & falsely accusing random devs of being rapists & launching smear campaigns on anyone who stood up to you, you're totally the victim when studios and publishers decide to cut ties with you.

Totally.

@Lenny Guy

And fuck corruption too.

@Dioxin Jimmy

No, what separates us from AntiGamer is our intellectual honesty, our humility, and our genuine friendliness.

We might not instantly change positions when better info comes along or false info is debunked, but we adapt very quickly; while AntiGamer will continue to stand on fake BS long after it's turned into a millstone around their neck.

We can make "We're so awesome!" art but we still maintain the knowledge we might be wrong; while AntiGamer is so full of themselves they will continue to double-down on a retarded idea rather then think "time for Plan B".

And while we may be boisterous we are friendly to people who approach us in good faith and even some people who approach us in bad faith and are extraordinarily forgiving to those who can admit they were wrong (like with Ian Cheong); while AntiGamer is all friendly as long as you don't disagree with them, but if you do that? Instant ban/excommunication.

Compare Anita to AlphaOmegaSin, which one is "angrier"? Now which one has better sources/facts/ethical standards?

Same with that "Angry Jack" series, they can't argue on the facts so they argue about emotions instead.

Don't buy into that "if you're angry you're wrong" tone-policing bullshit, it rots your brain.

Being an incoherent screaming lunatic makes it hard for anyone to take you seriously, but calmly & meekly claiming something doesn't make that thing true. Con artists have known that for a long time.

@Multiscoop, great guy

If you truly love something, and it doesn't matter whether it's gaming, free speech, or anything else, you're going to hate anyone who wants to destroy it out of spite & arrogance.

That's fine, just don't let the hate control you because when you let your hate control you, you make a lot more mistakes then if you control your hate.

This "hate vs. love" idea is just another false dichotomy like "ethics vs. SJWs", by far the most common answer is "both" and that's perfectly fine.

Hello everyone I just want to know how is GamerGate is doing so far?

Great!

SOCJUS is on the edge of forcing the mainstream into active opposition, AntiGamer is burning bridges with everyone who isn't already on their side, Gawker is collapsing, and the SPJ is getting more active.

A Real Libertarian:

What I mean is that alliances that are formed from just mutual hatred of something tend to sink faster because they don't have anything to push for once the enemy they are after is gone.

It's not a false dichotomy, it's just that what I'm saying is that antis are held together only by their inexplicable hatred of gamers (which is why they turn on each other so often), and we are held together because we are passionate about games and want to repair this broken journalism system. Regardless of how you feel about the 'SJW' side of things, that is what GG was formed for, and is at least part of what it still is today.

You may have misunderstood my intent with those posts. I'm just saying the reasons for our actions are more compelling than their's. Gamergate sticks together like honey and duct tape, the antis stick together like twigs and tapwater.

That's a tough question. Depends on which pro-GG you ask.

Some will tell you it is going splendid, and we are marching forward without pause. Some will tell you its gotten too many assholes who've let "the big bad SJW" problem get to their heads.

I'm probably firmly in the middle, but Gamergate is going pretty well for the moment. There will always be bumps on the road.

That nice to know. Say is there some people on KYM that hate gamergate or just think it a dead movement now?(Just wondering is all.)

I agree with most of that.

Thing is SJWs are the biggest threat to gaming because they're the ones supporting censorship, and smears, and corrupt journos/practices.

Hell, some of the non-SJW corrupt journos are cutting back on the corruption because they realize that corruption has grown to the point it's become a threat to the industry and they don't want the industry to die because how are they going to get money after that?

It's also why the SOCJUS economy is decoupling from the regular economy, because SJWs are absolutely horrible at budgeting, getting things done on time, and salesmanship.

Before the big money people could justify paying protection money with "this will make us more money from new customers" or "it's a small cost to avoid PR issues" but now it's being more & more clear to them that SJWs will keep demanding more & more money no matter what, demand changes that alienate current customers in return for attracting no new customers, and are becoming hated by the mainstream.

Intel's $300 mil boondoggle showed that very well, give all that money to "diversity", replace it with cuts to basic research & PR contests, shove the CEO who thought it up under the bus.

There will be some rich cucks (like Joss Whedon) who give them money anyways but those cucks will either cut them off or be drained dry (like Joss Whedon).

And the more SOCJUS is cut off from funding, the more the infighting over victimbux will get brutal.

Parasites can only live with a host to suck blood from, cut them off and they'll suck each other's blood until they die.

@HelmslockTheCarnageSeeker

Yeah, it's pretty much confined to the more circle-jerky parts of the forum, the parts that say "SJW is really just a strawman term" and are more interested acting superior to others then doing stuff of their own.

The average person on this site doesn't give much care about GamerGate in their daily lives but if put on the spot will have kinda similar views.

The people on the "GamerGate is dead! GamerGate is irrelevant! GamerGate is stupid!" bandwagon are just butthurt because if they actually thought that they wouldn't pop up every couple days to tell everyone GamerGate is dumb & dead.

It's honestly quite pathetic how they have a thread dedicated to feeling superior to a "irrelevant & stupid" group.

"They have done so in apparent retaliation for the fact that we did our jobs as reporters and as critics."

Uh no you didn't.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3thw5b/former_cod_dev_one_time_i_killed_a_dog_ingame_for/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3lpt7f/ethics_consentacle_an_alien_tentacle_sex_card/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2k1f2s/september_last_year_kotaku_australia_pulled_a_bad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/34c2yo/kotaku_article_doxxes_a_pizza_joint_after_a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3nih23/industry_kotakus_jason_schreier_says_that_kotaku/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3npogs/kotaku_fails_to_credit_a_level_maker_in_a_fluff/

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2o9dk8/in_may_2013_a_man_baited_stephen_totilo_via_email/

And while these are from a technically biased source, this doesn't change the fact that you (kotaku) are the publication that routinely bumps points off a game's score (i.e dragon's crown) for trivial and damn near subjective reasons that aren't truly justified. You're the same guys who don't understand what a boycott is or how contacting advertisers doesn't count as stifling free speech. You couldn't even tell the difference between industrial sabotage and proper reporting especially considering how you think leaking critical details of a product way before the product is even finished counts as good reporting. That was the kind of crap that got Half-life 2 delayed!

http://www.gamezone.com/originals/opinion-no-kotaku-you-weren-t-blacklisted-for-speaking-the-truth-jxh2

Tl;DR Kotaku fails as a journalists and as critics.

Also good find Jellopy.

GamerGate is dead. GamerGate doesn't have to be your audience.

Bioware employee
https://archive.is/IvowH

http://kukuruyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/gamergate-64.png

I don't think anyone is falling for kotaku's bullshit then again its kinda hard to give them any sympathy when they so innocently describe how they perform industrial sabotage.

@Lenny Guy
You forgot to advertise your patreon for victimbux and then two posts later say you're going bankrupt and its everyone else's fault that they don't care about art and the future of the industry to pay you money you never earned and wouldn't really help the industry anyway.