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Shooting, Explosions, and a Hostage Situation, in Paris

Last posted Nov 20, 2015 at 05:51PM EST. Added Nov 13, 2015 at 04:55PM EST
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lisalombs wrote:

{ The First thing, is that the Muslim community should be extremely vocal about denouncing the actions of ISIS and other radical Islamists. The reason for this is two-fold. }

We hear all sorts of condemnations from the people who aren't committing the atrocities. First world Muslim groups, our allies in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and the UAE. Just as these people are using social media to condemn, there are Iranians and others on social media celebrating en masse. { “The extent of the celebration far exceeded past online rallying by I.S. supporters,” SITE said in an analysis. } Vice is compiling tweets but they're quickly being deleted. They don't get quite as much coverage in the mainstream, not very PC to bring up. Even still, they don't even compare to the number celebrating out on the streets, these kind of people tend not to be the kind who update facebook about their lunches after all.


Russian state media "accidentally" leaked pics of a nuclear submarine that Russia has, I would not be so sure Putin wouldn't be willing to just bomb the place and be done with it if this terror shit keeps up. I know you guys think he's a funny meme but he's fucking crazy.

well judging by what Putin did in Ukraine, it wouldn't surprise me that he would just bombs the place right now

Black Graphic T wrote:

Really? I would have gone with "Radioactive Trade Winds", or "Massive Nuclear Fallout" or "Airborne Rad Dust".

Airborne Rad Dust sounds like what a 90's version of Peter Pan uses to fly.

Someone on instagram posted footage of the terrorists arriving at the Bataclan theater. The video is short and it's difficult to see anything, but you can hear the gunshots. Nothing graphic, but it's extremely disturbing to watch/listen to. Again, watch at your own risk.

This made me feel pretty sick again. Every time I check the news the reports of the attack are just worse than before. Ugh.


There will probably be more detailed videos of the attacks in the future, although please don't post anything graphic on the site. Videos like the one above are the limit.


On a happier note, here's a video of a dude smoking a bong for Paris.

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Evilthing wrote:

For some reasons, I feel these attacks are like 9/11 all over again. Is it just me or not? I wonder what the aftermath will be though.

The reaction feels eerily similar. From Imgur to Reddit to even KYM, the internet seems to have collectively decided that Europe needs to full-on invade the Middle East. We can only imagine right now what the thoughts of the general offline populace must be – it should become clear in the coming weeks with surveys. Expect a spike in support for interventionist policies.

This does indeed feel like how Americans felt immediately after 9/11. This same sentiment allowed Bush to launch two wars. Judging from Hollande's reaction, French boots on the ground are basically guaranteed now. One can only hope that we don't come to regret this later.

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lol, half of the people who were sreenshotted posting that bullshit about mizzou deleted their twitter accounts. Fucking pussies, don't even have the balls to own up to what they said.

TripleA9000 wrote:

lol, half of the people who were sreenshotted posting that bullshit about mizzou deleted their twitter accounts. Fucking pussies, don't even have the balls to own up to what they said.

Remember that they are all cry babies, they just yell and do not think about what they are saying.

Particle Mare wrote:

The reaction feels eerily similar. From Imgur to Reddit to even KYM, the internet seems to have collectively decided that Europe needs to full-on invade the Middle East. We can only imagine right now what the thoughts of the general offline populace must be – it should become clear in the coming weeks with surveys. Expect a spike in support for interventionist policies.

This does indeed feel like how Americans felt immediately after 9/11. This same sentiment allowed Bush to launch two wars. Judging from Hollande's reaction, French boots on the ground are basically guaranteed now. One can only hope that we don't come to regret this later.

Oh for fuck's sake, humanity never fucking learns.

TripleA9000 wrote:

lol, half of the people who were sreenshotted posting that bullshit about mizzou deleted their twitter accounts. Fucking pussies, don't even have the balls to own up to what they said.

Well, I don't think anybody wants to put up with a barrage of death threats and pubescent rage from an anonymous Twitter army.

Some updates:

An expanded manhunt is underway as French police search for 8th attacker who was able to flee.

Flashback: ISIS announces in September they have smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe


Europe has finally noticed the interview Obama gave Friday morning and he is now under fire in the EU media for declaring ISIS "contained".


Six of the French national's relatives have been detained for questioning.
Other relatives have said he had no contact with the family after a falling-out years ago.

Quote from neighbor" { Mr. Mostefaï was the middle of five children born to an Algerian father and a Portuguese mother, and he worked in a bakery. “He played with my children,” the neighbor said. “He never spoke about religion. He was normal. He had a joie de vivre. He laughed a lot.”

But then Mr. Mostefaï changed. “It was in 2010, that’s when he started to become radicalized,” the neighbor said. “We don’t understand what happened.” }


Quote from President of the European Commission: { “Those who organized, who perpetrated the attacks are the very same people who the refugees are fleeing and not the opposite,” Agence-France Presse quoted Mr. Juncker as saying. “And so there is no need for an overall review of the European policy on refugees.” }


There are pics going around of bodies inside the Bataclan, please don't post them here even under spoilers, they're really graphic, and be careful clicking links if you're someone who doesn't want to see that. I'll lyk if I link to a page with graphic pics on display.

If anything, it's Russia's intervention that will eventually lead to WW3. Even if we all go in together and exterminate ISIS and the other terrorist groups, we've got Russia/Iran/China who want to keep Assad in power (as he barrel bombs 230k+ of his own citizens out of this world) and the rest of the modern world which does not, including our Middle Eastern allies. We've been trying to talk our way around the situation for four years, if everyone's already there equipped for battle anyway…

Well, at least I'm on the other side of the globe. GL Europe!

Evilthing wrote:

For some reasons, I feel these attacks are like 9/11 all over again. Is it just me or not? I wonder what the aftermath will be though.

well if 3000 people died than yes but imo no this isn't quite like 9/11. its the worst since though. but… (maybe as an American) its not the same.

New bits of information for the article, if it's deemed relevant.
Tonight, during local marches in the streets of Paris to pay tribute to the victims, small explosions were heard, resulting in a chaotic mob rush and some light wounds. According to the French media, it was a false alarm from a street lightbulb that broke.

According to the latest reports, the death toll from Friday's attacks reached 132 people killed.

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lmfao someone had a rocket launcher in the middle of France? 23 people and 31 weapons? This whole open borders thing is going GREAT! Good thing only 8 of 23+ participated Friday, since they're apparently suspicious enough to warrant searches and arrests. I sure hope they weren't holding off because it would look racist to arrest a bunch of French Muslims before a terror attack….

No, they weren't holding off not to look racist, ( the French Police is not obsessed with PR like others polices, or at least other medias,since our police does a good job in general, at least they don't make the news every two days for a scandal), they just weren't sure the terrorist cell ( of which the arrested persons are a part of, as I heard ) was an active cell.
And to be honest, when you know the right persons, it's not difficult to get a hold of weapons. And I'm not " just saying that ".

When you know the right person, it's super easy to get a rocket launcher!
They sell that shit over at Walmart in France!

Waiting to confirm a terrorist cell is active instead of immediately obtaining the warrants needed to make sure ROCKET LAUNCHERS aren't being prepped in basements is holding off so as to not look racist. We arrest and convict 99 year old Holocaust guards but we hold off on suspected terrorists in capital cities of first world countries?! Hey, 130 dead people later, confirmation achieved! Looks like all our security is working.

" not difficult " =/= " super easy "

Come on, let's not be that antagonistic and let's not use hyperboles at every turn of phrase.

" is holding off so as to not look racist. "
Why would you think that instead of " as to be lawful " ?

Because it's completely lawful to get a warrant and search homes if you have reason to believe someone inside it might be part of a terrorist cell.

I'm more than willing to say ignoring that suspicion and gambling with lives while you wait and see what happens is what we should be examining as unlawful here. I have to strip down at airports like a suspected criminal but actual suspected criminals are put on some list and ignored until they kill people?? What world are we living in?

Now they're paying real close attention to that list, and it's turning out rather fruitful. What the fuck kind of body count would we be discussing right now if they'd managed to put that rocket launcher into action in the middle of Paris?


Telegraph headline: My suicide bomber son blew himself up because of stress, says Ibrahim Abdeslam's mother sub: Mother of three brothers linked to Paris attacks gives extraordinary interview in which she says her suicide bomber son did not intend to kill

{ Another family member said he would not have wanted to become a suicide bomber. "Maybe the explosives went off prematurely by accident. Maybe it was stress.

"We even saw him two days before the attacks. There were no signs that they had plans to do anything violent.

The family admitted he had spent "a long time" in Syria.

"We were really surprised that Salah was involved. Ibrahim was different. We did see that he had been radicalised, at least in part. But not so much that we ever thought he would commit an atrocity like this". }

like what the actual fuck. This is an absolute breakdown in security because terrorists took advantage of every single thing conservative politicians said they would, as liberal politicians replied they were too xenophobic and a little racist too.

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They are not put on a list "until they kill people ". They are put on a list and are heavily scrutinized, until we have proof that can take out the whole cell.

It's just like the mob, we kind of know which people belong in the mob, but we can't just arrest them all because of a suspicion, although I get the reasonning.
The mother's full of shit, just like when Merah attacked these jewish schools, but I'd give her the benefice of the doubt.

Please be descent and don't wonder what the kill ratio could have been.

The mob isn't known for blowing themselves up in the middle of crowded places… one requires more vigilance and much more prompt response.

The fact remains that they had at least 23 people on a list that they were very sure they could detain/search on suspicion of terrorism but they didn't and now those listed people have gone on to……. commit terrorism. Not just commit terrorism, but to plan out an entire multi-front massacre and import the weapons and bombs necessary to do it. Isn't that at least literally what the list is there to stop? These people were supposedly being monitored while they plotted this.

We have to wonder what it could have been. How are we supposed to respond if we don't acknowledge what we're fighting against? It's just like Hillary Clinton refusing to say "radical Islam", you'd rather hush hush and go on with your life pretending it never happened and wont again.

Please, stop putting words in my mouth, I perfectly know radical islam is at fault.
I'd rather we didn't spent more time saying " oh I wonder how many people could have been killed with that ", but more time thinking about the families of the deceased, and taking action against radicalization.
Everybody knows it could have been worse, my friend in Paris know it could have been them, the thing is to try and be decent about it. I will never forget what happened, and neither will the people of France, we want to carry on, not " pretend it never happened ". The discourse in France right now pretty much is " we know there will be more ", Manuel Valls (prime minister) said it while is role should be to reassure people. We know there are more attacks coming our way.

The discourse in France right now is to blatantly disobey police, who are telling people to remain inside their homes, while a major manhunt for the 8th attacker is taking place. Instead there was a stampede at a memorial site (set up in less than 12 hours) when someone set off some firecrackers. :|

I haven't said anything indecent. If you're still too sensitive to talk about what happened, don't come into discussion threads. This isn't a memorial.


France to call for effective suspension of Schengen open borders
France will call for Europe to reinstate emergency internal border controls at a summit on Friday, the Telegraph can confirm
Hollande will extend the state of emergency to 3 months.

also a Telegraph link, sorry to anyone who has run out of free article views. :/ "Journalists" charge for news now.

Suspect on the run as terror raids end in failure – latest news
Raid to arrest Salah Abdeslam in Molenbeek ends in failure, after French police launch pre-dawn raids across country

Let's all gather in big groups in open public spaces tho….

Brother of attacker makes statement after being released by police with no charges (he was the one who called the police to make them aware of his family): { "My family and I had no idea that they were in Paris. My parents are truly shocked. It was terrible for them", he said. "I have never had any problems with the justice system. I just want to be left in peace". }

Meanwhile Obama is criticizing anyone who wants to start screening refugees more critically because "they're the people fleeing ISIS u guys, dont b racist".

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<3 John Oliver.

By the way, new trending hashtag on the rise: #JeSuisEnTerrasse.
Similar to #JeSuisCharlie, this one is mixed with photographs of people being sitted at bars' outdoor tables in Paris to show the world that Parisians still go to bars and that life goes on.

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French government officials announce French citizens returning from Syria may be automatically placed under house arrest until their actions can be investigated.


Abdelhamid Abaaoud, leader of the terrorist cell, mastermind behind Paris attack, still on the run, is also thought to be the mastermind behind the attempted terrorist attack on the train that was stopped by 3 Americans.

It has also been revealed that Iraq warned France twice about impending terrorist plots and Turkey warned France once of this guy specifically.

Disgusting lapse in security, gambling with lives, etc etc see my posts ^ from six hours ago.


Obama seems to be the only one convinced we're not going to take ISIS seriously now, as John Kerry has just spoken in Paris representing the US and sounded very much like Hollande himself saying, "These terrorists have declared war on all civilizations".

Obama has called for an increase in the number of Syrian refugees the USA takes (to 100k) and has told the media that the politicians criticizing him just want to "pop off" and give their opinion but don't have any actual plans. He says there is no need to review refugee screening policies because the refugees are the people trying to get away from ISIS.

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Farm Zombie wrote:

Let's allow mass unregulated immigration from countries infested with violent radicals. What could possibly go wrong?

25 Republican governors and 1 Democrat so far have said their states will fight against accepting Syrian refugees. Most of them include "until an actual screening process is put in place" despite the liberal media conveniently leaving that part out.

{ New Hampshire Gov. Maggie Hassan was the first Democrat to express support for stopping the flow of Syrian refugees into her state. }

On exceptions for Christian refugees:


Sick taunts of the Paris mastermind: Jihadist boasts of freely crossing Europe's borders and mocks police who had him in their clutches

{ The mastermind of the Paris massacres has bragged of travelling across Europe at will to plot murder and mayhem.

Despite being on wanted lists, Abdelhamid Abaaoud has shuttled between Syria and Europe, exploiting the migrant crisis on EU borders. }

He did it multiple times.
While on at least one national watch list.

If you don't want to be mad at Islam, you should sure as fuck be mad at the liberal policies that allowed this to happen. If refugees were actually being screened, if borders were actually being controlled, if first world countries actually took their own watch lists seriously, this would not have been able to happen period. It becomes more and more obviously clear as more failures like this are revealed.

& we have a President that wants to increase the number of and rate at which we let "refugees" into the country in light of all this.

He's even done interviews and photoshoots for ISIS' propaganda magazine.

{ Abaaoud told an IS propaganda magazine he was arrested in Europe in January preparing a mission to kill civilians and behead policemen. Incredibly, he claims he was not detained.

'My name and picture were all over the news yet I was able to stay in their homeland, plan operations against them and leave safely when doing so became necessary,' he said. }

Glossy!!

This is bullshit.

I won't bother reading through this thread at the current moment but that won't stop me from dumping in an opinion:

I hate this tragedy a lot. Not just because of what happened but because of people using it for various purposes. From companies pretending that they care to people pretending that they care it's just a big messy internet slacktivism circle-jerk for the most part and what I've seen. It's basically 9/11 all over again including people using it to fund irrational wars. Think about it, war started this. Russia in Afghanistan, the US in Afghanistan, US in Iran, US in Iraq, France bombing ISIS (which ISIS actually claimed is what incited this), everyone bombing ISIS, it's just a fucking cycle of pain over there.

And from what I've heard France out of just pressure and passion bombed ISIS again and apparently killed many civilians in the process, but no one cares about Middle Eastern civilians amirite especially if a few terrorists die in the process. It's not like ISIS is like fucking smoke and is literally just an ideal for people. People will join the ideal. Cut off one head two more grow back. Every one you kill becomes a martyr for them. Just look at that magazine lisa posted above me these people are war heroes to them and they're gathering more with every success, every attack on them legitimizing their cause and their threat, and every martyr dying in the name of their "jihad".

I don't understand how anyone could be so ignorant to culture and history to think that war is peace. Violence breeds violence.

So? Give 1 good reasons why we should let ISIS execute children and burn people alive for not converting to their ways? And no, not Islam, they kill fellow members of the faith faster then any airstrike could. I mean loyalty to ISIS, as in you so much as look at the funny and they'll be carrying your eyes around in a jar while they whittle your arms down to points and make you write an apology in your own blood.

Tell me why we should show them mercy? And tell me, more importantly, when showing a group like this mercy has ever worked? When has turning a blind eye and letting an active force that seeks to kill or at least fight everyone and anyone who doesn't fall in line for them.

Cause I can only think of 1, and it's north korea. And hate to break it to you, but just because North Korea doesn't have the means to attack people outside of its nation, doesn't make it any better then it was when we first turned our backs on the crazy regime looking to install a cult-of-personality to their own ideals and spitting hate against every other nation.

" And from what I’ve heard France out of just pressure and passion bombed ISIS again and apparently killed many civilians in the process, but no one cares about Middle Eastern civilians amirite especially if a few terrorists die in the process."

So, some info for you. France proceeded on attacks decided weeks before the attacks. France is attacking ISIS strongholds, not the state of Syria, like the US did with Irak, a war, i have to recall, France was strongly opposed to and denounced in the UN as a " lawless war ".
Who said we don't care about Middle Eastern civilians ? Do you have sources for those many civilians ?

"It’s not like ISIS is like fucking smoke and is literally just an ideal for people."
I'll use your words to counter your opinion : " I don’t understand how anyone could be so ignorant to culture and history" because that's not an ideal, that's a "proto-state". Have you ever read anything out of the doctrine of these people ? They are not an ideal, they are a military organization dedicated to nihilistic pursuits and the clash of civilizations. They have bases, recruitments centers, press centers and destroying these is the key to stopping their rise to power.
Nobody is saying they don't care about civilians in danger, I won't even suppose the people of raqqâ are supporters of the islamic state, but attacking strongholds ( and with aviation I migh add ) is the safest way to deal with ISIS, with the fewest lives lost ( be it ISIS members or civilian )

{ And no, not Islam, they kill fellow members of the faith }

They don't consider them fellow Muslims because they're not fundamental enough, they're killing apostates not Muslims. Yes, we are fighting fundamental Islamism, and we would do well to fight the "moderate" Muslims who joyously partake in vast human rights violations in the name of their religion, just as ISIS joyously partakes in aggressive vast human rights violations in the name of their religion. There is hardly a separation between the two, unless you're the PC Police who know that the Middle East is just like the USA except turbans and stuff~!

{ but attacking strongholds ( and with aviation I migh add ) is the safest way to deal with ISIS, with the fewest lives lost ( be it ISIS members or civilian ) }

Airstrikes are the way to lose the fewest lives, but that doesn't make it the most effective or safest way to deal with ISIS. They've changed their strategy in response to our airstrikes and we…… continue airstriking to no avail.


David Cameron goes to Commons to seek a vote on military intervention in Syria.

Second suspect possibly on the run:

{ French police are reportedly investigating whether a second man is on the run after the Paris attacks along with Salah Abdeslam, the man named by police as a key suspect.

Several witnesses have told police that they saw a third man in the car used by the attackers to drive from café to café in the east of Paris and open fire on customers, Le Monde reports.

Salah Abdeslam and his brother Brahim are known to have been in the car but now police think there may have been a third man. }

Salah Abdeslam is believed to have crossed the border into Belgium.

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ooh here's a good one for anyone defending "moderate" Islam: a 2011 survey of actual Muslim women living in the suburbs of Paris found ~75% admit to wearing their veils/coverings out of a fear of violence, not free choice. :|


Russian and French navy will meet for a liaison as France reaches the Mediterranean in the hopes of forming an alliance in the region.

Germany will not participate in airstrikes against ISIS, but will provide the Kurds weapons and other military equipment.

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Slutty Sam wrote:

I won't bother reading through this thread at the current moment but that won't stop me from dumping in an opinion:

I hate this tragedy a lot. Not just because of what happened but because of people using it for various purposes. From companies pretending that they care to people pretending that they care it's just a big messy internet slacktivism circle-jerk for the most part and what I've seen. It's basically 9/11 all over again including people using it to fund irrational wars. Think about it, war started this. Russia in Afghanistan, the US in Afghanistan, US in Iran, US in Iraq, France bombing ISIS (which ISIS actually claimed is what incited this), everyone bombing ISIS, it's just a fucking cycle of pain over there.

And from what I've heard France out of just pressure and passion bombed ISIS again and apparently killed many civilians in the process, but no one cares about Middle Eastern civilians amirite especially if a few terrorists die in the process. It's not like ISIS is like fucking smoke and is literally just an ideal for people. People will join the ideal. Cut off one head two more grow back. Every one you kill becomes a martyr for them. Just look at that magazine lisa posted above me these people are war heroes to them and they're gathering more with every success, every attack on them legitimizing their cause and their threat, and every martyr dying in the name of their "jihad".

I don't understand how anyone could be so ignorant to culture and history to think that war is peace. Violence breeds violence.

-Attacking a city of unarmed people is not tragedy. The word tragedy implies a lack of intention, which is clearly not the case in this situation. It was an atrocity. I really wish people were better at articulating the distinction between the two. There is a difference and it is significant.

-Agree about internet activism. This is opinion seems to be spreading, so maybe we're moving past the point where it is taken seriously.

-You're being a bit selective with your history. Setting aside the millennia of cultural and religious conflict in the Middle East, you fail to catalog a long list of recent conflicts that were not started by western nations, particularly the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s (in which the western powers hands were not clean) and the Iraq invasion of Kuwait in 1991. There's plenty of accountability to go around for the mid-east violence, and is not solely the fault of western interventionism.

-In the first wave of airstrikes, France dropped a total of 20 bombs on Raqqa, targeting a command center, a recruitment center, a training camp, and a munitions depot. According to activists inside Syria, there have been no civilian deaths as a result of these strikes. A second airstrike was just carried out, so I'm open to any sources you have which states differently.

-I disagree with the notion that war is never the answer as strongly as I disagree with the the notion that war is always the answer. It's not an either-or proposition. Setting aside why or how ISIS came into being, let's look at some facts at how it is acting. In the last three weeks it has killed over 400 people in terrorist attacks outside its territory, and probably multiples of that within its controls. According to the numbers I could find, nearly 90,000 people have died in the Syrian Civil War. Not all these are ISIS caused, but the point is a lot of people are dying. As a sad and pathetic a commentary on human nature as it is, there are times when violence can only be stopped with more violence. Just as humanity had to confront the irrational barbarity of imperialism and fascism in the 20th century, it is facing an irrational barbarity fueled religious revanchism in the 21st. Defeating it may not require the carpet bombings and other horrific acts of the world wars, but it might require doing things we consider repugnant.

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Germany-Netherlands match in Hannover cancelled, Merkel quickly led away. Reports of a unattended suitcase were cleared by the police yet the match has still been cancelled, police are ordering fans to leave immediately, and there is a growing cop presence outside of the stadium.

A concert in Hannover in the TUI-Arena has also been cancelled, is being evacuated, and there is heavy police presence outside. No reason is being given atm.


Police at stadium say after gates opened they received a serious tip about an explosive threat.

Local media is reporting an ambulance full of explosives was found outside of the stadium, but Telegraph is not able to confirm at this time.

Last edited Nov 17, 2015 at 02:32PM EST

BREAKING: Chief police of Hannover: They was a serious plan of explosion in the stadium during the game.

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Do you have a transcript? Just going off the title, I don't think the tens of thousands of people executed by ISIS and the millions fleeing think they're very weak. Thinking ISIS is a weak JV squad is how this ongoing situation was allowed to happen.

But I can't watch the vid atm.


Police confirm an emergency vehicle outside of the stadium is being checked for explosives.

Unconfirmed reports one arrest made.


England v France under way at Wembley.


Hannover police close a section of the city railway as another device has been found inside the train system.

Last edited Nov 17, 2015 at 03:30PM EST

lisalombs wrote:

Do you have a transcript? Just going off the title, I don't think the tens of thousands of people executed by ISIS and the millions fleeing think they're very weak. Thinking ISIS is a weak JV squad is how this ongoing situation was allowed to happen.

But I can't watch the vid atm.


Police confirm an emergency vehicle outside of the stadium is being checked for explosives.

Unconfirmed reports one arrest made.


England v France under way at Wembley.


Hannover police close a section of the city railway as another device has been found inside the train system.

His argument is that ISIS wants to provoke hostility toward Muslims to the point that they have no supports but ISIS, and that hostility towards Muslims helps ISIS, in their own view, achieve the goal of their attacks.

Railway station was a "suspicious package" type of deal, which happens weekly but is never a bomb or anything close to it.

Being Dutch, the cancelled match is pretty big in the news here atm. The important stuff was already posted; anything else I could share were interviews with various people who visited the match (shitton of police and people going home went fairly peacefully).


In other news, I got family living and working in Brussel; they had a possible bomb car found 100 meters from where he works. That was odd to read in a text.

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Oh the "the West is pushing Muslims toward ISIS" argument.

Yeah, I mean, if you think all Muslims are such psychopaths by default that some increased paranoia over terrorism can drive them to leave their family, go to Syria, learn terrorism, and come back to wage terror, then sure, the West is totally pushing Muslims toward ISIS.

By that logic, it's a good thing Catholics aren't raping children en masse, because the West sure thinks they're all pedophiles and is moving away from Christianity as a whole.

Everybody's got a persecution complex.


{ German police called off the match after a tip-off from French intelligence, according to Bild newspaper.

There was information some 30 hours in advance that a group known as the "North Africans" were planning an attack on the match using automatic weapons and suicide bomb vests at the entrances to the stadium, the newspaper reported.

French intelligence subsequently alerted German security forces that an "Iraqi sleeper" was planning an attack on the game, and officials decided they had no choice but to call it off. }

30 hours in advance, but they waited until fans started entering the stadium to call the match off…


{ Investigators in Paris have told CNN that they have recovered a mobile phone that they believe belonged to one of the attackers. After days of very few leads, counterterrorism officials hope the phone could help unravel the plot and the networks behind it.

For now, all that has been made public is that the phone carried on it a now chilling text message to the effect of "OK, we're ready" }


{ No explosives found thus far in Hannover

Lower Saxony interior minister Boris Pistorius has shared some welcome news: despite threats received by police, no explosives have been found near Hannover stadium or elsewhere in the city. }

Investigation ongoing.

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{ Breaking: Video shows 'ninth Paris attacker'

After reports from earlier today that there was possibly another suspect on the run, police sources have told AFP that there is a video proving there was a ninth attacker in addition to the deceased suspects and Salah Abdeslam, the subject of an intense manhunt. }

I wonder when this is actually gonna be over. :/
It seems like every fifteen minutes there's a new significant update but no progress to show for it.

Good fucking god why? Why?

{ In US media parlance, John Kerry is America's top diplomat. But what a crass, misguided, undiplomatic statement this is. Speaking at the US embassy in Paris, he appears to be saying the attack on the journalists at Charlie Hebdo earlier this year was in some way understandable or justifiable…

"There's something different about what happened from Charlie Hebdo, and I think everybody would feel that. There was a sort of particularised focus and perhaps even a legitimacy in terms of – not a legitimacy, but a rationale that you could attach yourself to somehow and say, 'Okay, they're really angry because of this and that.' This Friday was absolutely indiscriminate." }

How fucking dumb do you have to be? Apparently it's a top-level Democrat kind of dumb.


This comes as the world/Democrats themselves moan over how terrible Obama's speaking has been throughout the incident.

{ President Obama is coming under criticism from some in his own party over his comments Monday about last week's terrorist attacks in Paris.

Influential liberal columnists and Democratic strategists say Obama came off as condescending and scornful during his press conference in Antalya, Turkey -- missing an opportunity to show strength and leadership in the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

Monday’s press conference was the latest of a string of comments from Obama that have sparked concern among his fellow Democrats -- including the president’s remark last week that ISIS has been geographically “contained.”

ISIS’s continued hold on large swaths of territory and its new ability to carry out a coordinated terror strike in a major European city should prompt a broader strategic reevaluation from Obama, some Democrats say.

“I read the intelligence faithfully. ISIL is not contained, ISIL is expanding,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, told MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell on Monday, using an alternate acronym for the group.

“I’d like to see more acknowledgement of that from him,” Jim Manley said. }

Stay classy Turkey.

{ A moment of silence for the victims of the Paris attacks was booed by Turkish fans Tuesday during a friendly game against Greece, Reuters reported.

Reuters reporter Ece Toksabay tweeted that the fans booed the minute of silence before breaking out into a chant of “Allah Akbar.”

99.8 percent of the Turkish population is Muslim, according to the CIA World Factbook. }

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Some more "moderate, everyday" Muslims for you.
Is the fundamental difference between the West and the Middle East becoming clear yet?

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