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Shooting, Explosions, and a Hostage Situation, in Paris

Last posted Nov 20, 2015 at 05:51PM EST. Added Nov 13, 2015 at 04:55PM EST
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Canadian Muslim attacked while picking up her children from school
Anti-Muslim graffiti sprayed across the hall from Muslim woman's appartment
Mosque burned down as retaliation for Paris attacks

All these just from Canada. There's a reason that people are quick to condemn Islamophobia after terrorist attacks and that's because it has very real consequences.

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lisalombs wrote:

Do you have a transcript? Just going off the title, I don't think the tens of thousands of people executed by ISIS and the millions fleeing think they're very weak. Thinking ISIS is a weak JV squad is how this ongoing situation was allowed to happen.

But I can't watch the vid atm.


Police confirm an emergency vehicle outside of the stadium is being checked for explosives.

Unconfirmed reports one arrest made.


England v France under way at Wembley.


Hannover police close a section of the city railway as another device has been found inside the train system.

Not sure if you saw it yet or not, but the reason he calls them week is because they, and I quote "could be destroyed if they met a proper army on a real battlefield"

{ Not sure if you saw it yet or not, but the reason he calls them week is because they, and I quote “could be destroyed if they met a proper army on a real battlefield” }

Well that brings up a whole separate set of issues completely.

(it's the Telegraph, this has been getting widely discussed since being published): The world's determination to defeat Isil is a myth None of the countries fighting Isil actually want to defeat it or think they will

Good read if anyone wants to give it a go and discuss here.


>it has very real consequences

So does Islam, but nobody is quick to condemn that.

The media is incredibly one-sided on coverage when incidents like this happen. We're shown report after report of "retaliation" but the sexist and violent daily practices of "normal Muslims" in Western countries, as well as the ME, go ignored as always. Condemning "Islamophobia" means about as much to "Islamophobics" as condemning terror means to terrorists, and does just as much to not actually solve any problems while being very useful terms to immediately silence anyone with a dissenting opinion.


{ Around 43,000 people are part of Islamist circles in Germany and around 420 are considered potentially dangerous, the president of the German Federal Criminal Police Office (or BKA) has said.

According to data from the BKA, more than 750 Islamists have left Germany bound for Iraq and Syria and there is information about 70 people who have returned after receiving military training or combat experience. }

More terrorists in training to put on watch lists full of people who aren't actually being watched at all.


{ Barack Obama is in the Philippines but found time to ridicule Republicans who want to bar Syrian refugees from entering the US after the Paris attacks.

"Apparently they're scared of widows and orphans coming into the United States of America," he said. }

Yeah, widows and orphans, and your own FBI Director who says we have absolutely no comprehensive way of screening Syrian refugees at all.

Blood's on his hands. What a disgusting excuse for the leader of a country.

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With all of the talk about terrorists amongst the refugees, I'm surprised no one's talking about how few of the terrorists were actually passing as refugees. Here's the nationalities of some of the attackers:

In addition, one of the attackers was carrying a passport that identified him as a Syrian refugee, but his passport was revealed to very likely be a forgery.

While this doesn't rule out the fact that some terrorists may have through Syria as refugees, it certainly seems much less likely than originally thought. On top of that, what is absolutely certain is that there were terrorists both within the country and within other European countries before the refugee crisis even started. Shutting out the refugees might have slowed the attack, but it certainly would not have stopped it.

Last edited Nov 17, 2015 at 11:34PM EST
Blood’s on his hands. What a disgusting excuse for the leader of a country.

I wonder if there has ever been a leader of a country that didn't have blood on their hands. Barring of course 12 year old monarchs and people who died within weeks of taking office.

Black Graphic T wrote:

So we're heading into the ethnic cleansing talk right on time.

Sorry, is someone prescribing genocide? Or are people finally done playing PC with matters of national security? Let's not be so histrionic.


{ Shutting out the refugees might have slowed the attack, but it certainly would not have stopped it. }

But increasing the security process now may prevent further attacks in the future, as more and more migrants are resettled across Europe and the USA. I don't think any of you realize how few refugees from Syria any country has actually taken in thus far besides Germany and Sweden, of the main EU. The terrorists in training who could not get papers or fit in with Western society are being shown an open door. The terrorist cells could be counting on a sudden influx to put bigger plans than Paris into place. All anyone is calling for is some badly needed caution where their very obviously has not been any.


{ I wonder if there has ever been a leader of a country that didn’t have blood on their hands. }

How many have willingly imported the assailants of their own accord? Despite leading members of our own intelligence community advising otherwise? Despite supposedly the best national security in the world?

But increasing the security process now may prevent further attacks in the future, as more and more migrants are resettled across Europe and the USA. I don’t think any of you realize how few refugees from Syria any country has actually taken in thus far besides Germany and Sweden, of the main EU. The terrorists in training who could not get papers or fit in with Western society are being shown an open door. The terrorist cells could be counting on a sudden influx to put bigger plans than Paris into place. All anyone is calling for is some badly needed caution where their very obviously has not been any.

I can certainly agree that more security is needed. The fact that Hadfi had left Belgium to fight with ISIS and was let back in to roam freely speaks volumes. But to blame everything on the refugees, or to claim that shutting them all out would solve the problem, is a dire oversimplification at best. Potential terrorists exist everywhere, not just within the refugees.

Several countries have already promised to deliver whatever aid they can to France. Surely some of their vast pooled resources can be put towards scrutinizing refugees more thoroughly, or at least putting a dent in ISIS's propaganda machine to stop them from recruiting as easily as they are.

{ but to blame everything on the refugees, or to claim that shutting them all out would solve the problem }

Nobody has done this. Every governor in the US and European country that has temporarily increased border controls and PC-questionable security measures (of which there have been quite a few so far) has attached that "until there's better security" to the end of their statements. Most of the EU is demanding some kind of outer border control at the very least. People just want a response to a situation that has clearly changed. We haven't responded at all to the various new threats posed by an evolving ISIS.

A shit ton of countries have offered various means of aid to France and Syria and the various forces fighting in Syria. What nobody wants to offer is ground troops. See: that article I linked above about the world's determination to defeat ISIS. It really is a good read.

Some countries have even suggested setting up mass refugee camps in Middle Eastern countries that neighbor Syria so there isn't as much travel cost/death or culture conflict. But none of the Middle Eastern countries are down for it. As always. As the US and Europe are being called to distribute refugees around our countries, do you see Middle Eastern countries offering? & when they do, like Turkey, the "refugees" continue on because they don't want to stop in Turkey, they want to be in Europe. That's another factor of this crisis, we need a screening process to sort who is actually a refugee and who is an economic migrant. Europe is on the familiar road to 11 million DREAMers pushing for amnesty and full entitlements.


Police operation taking place in north Paris suburb, suspects being confronted.

{ Many bursts of gunfire have been heard in the the northern Paris suburb of Saint Denis where counter-terrorist police are trying to arrest a suspect in Friday’s attacks.

Several officers have been wounded, French media reported. Police advised local residents to remain at home as the operation is ongoing.

The deputy mayor of Saint Denis, Stéphane Peu, said exchanges of fire were taking place in the area of the Rue de la République. He said police were sealing off the area.

Police sources said suspects were firing at police from a flat but did not confirm the reports of police casualties. The pre-dawn operation began at 4-30am local time. }

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New post for active situation:

2-3 suspects have barricaded themselves inside an apartment in north Paris. Multiple officers have been injured after exchanging fire with the suspects from a window, and multiple ambulances are now on scene.


Three arrested alive, 2 officers injured, local MP says situation is not over.

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>it has very real consequences
"So does Islam, but nobody is quick to condemn that."

Oh boy here we go.

Has anyone here ever read the entirety of the Christian, Jewish and Islamic holy texts? Or does anyone have a PhD involving religious history or philosophy or even psychology? Its hard to talk about these subjects with nothing to base my opinions on but hear-say and unfounded reasoning.

The problem isn't Islam, the problem is people. People who are able to believe they are right and are willing to die and murder because of it. People who are NOT willing to CHANGE. If it were reversed and Islam is the majority in the west and Christianity the majority in the mideast but all of history were the same; would the western muslims come to the mideast and bomb us? I find that impossible. Why do so few if any terrorists come from Indonesia? Why do all these terrorists come from poor and/or lawless states. Because they were born and raised in such conditions.
Honestly though I've been sitting here… thinking about all the possible reasons and I can't keep my thoughts straight now. Is Islam a factor of it, yes. But if you think that when you read the Quran and bang you're a jihadist, then you need to go do some real research.

Yes, I have read all of the holy books of the Abrahamic religions (and the Christian ones in Latin too) over a long history of RE and an interest I pursued in college though ultimately went for a minor that was actually useful. :)

{ Why do all these terrorists come from poor and/or lawless states. Because they were born and raised in such conditions. }

Almost all of the terrorists in this situation were children of immigrants who came to Europe long ago. They were born and raised in the West. They were radicalized by Islam. The extremists spreading propaganda and converting people to Islam before they join ISIS come from Islamic countries ruled by various interpretations and intensities of Sharia law.

Have you read the Quran? Do you genuinely know what kinds of laws and traditions are prescribed to Muslims and forced on everyone else because they're ruled by Islamic governments? Do you know the actual laws that people there are currently living under, which have nothing to do with ISIS or terror?


No updates in awhile. I'm heading to bed.
Hopefully they get some good info out of these guys.

{ Operation continues

Just to reiterate, the operation continues. Roads are still closed in Saint Denis, while police vans and fire appliances descend on the area. We will try to find out more information about the arrests as the morning progresses. }

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>Have you read the Quran? Do you genuinely know what kinds of laws and traditions are prescribed to Muslims and forced on everyone else because they’re ruled by Islamic governments? Do you know the actual laws that people there are currently living under, which have nothing to do with ISIS or terror?
Should I just assume you do?

And if we are going to ask lots of questions. How about:
Do you know why? For everything? How it all started? Why did they chose to radicalize? Why did other Muslims radicalize them? Why were those people radicals? Why they bomb and murder their own people? Why war plagues the mideast and strife across the Islamic world? Why now? Why not sooner?

Genocide isn't an interchangeable term with ethnic cleansing. One is the murder of a people, the other is doing everything to cleanse the world of a people or their culture. You know, like the little purge-all-of-islam song and dance your doing with your "average moderate islam" garbage above that you damn well know is full of shit. It's like pointing to the dumbass social media posts after any tragedy as "average moderate american" or pointing to the dumbest crowds of any political gathering and going "average person who I disagree ideologically with".

"How many have willingly imported the assailants of their own accord? "

In the US? At least 12. In history of human race? Hundreds. I mean, in the history of the US we've brought over tons of people from the middle east and africa, russia and chinese defectors, Vietnamese refugees, Italians, All the south american convicts being held in Cuba that Castro lied about being asylum seekers, Former Soviets, Literally Members of the Nazi Party, and that's not counting the dictators we've harbored.

Honestly less then 100,000 refugees is a drop in the bucket of people we've brought over even last year alone from abroad. Some form of screening process would be good, but you have to question the reliability of a screening process. Outside of the papers they have on them, it's not likr the Syrian Government is gonna hand over these people's records no demands raised.

All I'm going to say, is that I think it would probably be a good idea for countries to cut down on refugee acceptance until an in depth review on the subject is performed, if only to alleviate the concerns of their citizens.

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{ One is the murder of a people, the other is doing everything to cleanse the world of a people or their culture. }

Not every culture deserves respect, not every culture is a beautiful remnant of history that should be preserved at all costs. Nobody is suggesting any cultures or people be killed off or cleansed from the world. What many people are suggesting is that an oppressive religion that has more than become a political ideology no longer has a place in this world and should be willfully abandoned. Its own practitioners are fleeing its rule and abandoning the traits of the religion that make it any different than Christianity.

What exactly are you defending here? There are hundreds of studies and surveys out there, the most prominent of which I've linked to frequently, that show 60-80% of the "non-radicalized, normal" Muslims in the Middle East is in favor of implementing Sharia in full and approval for various other "extremist" measures. Do we need to review what Sharia allows? Our own ally countries are full of people who regularly sell their ten year old daughters off to old men to settle debts, and that is a completely legal transaction in the Islamic Republic countries.

Why don't you tell me what you think Islam is and why exactly it should continue to exist?


{ Honestly less then 100,000 refugees is a drop in the bucket of people we’ve brought over even last year alone from abroad. }

We have brought in less than 3,000 total from Syria. There are less than 3,000 Syrian refugees total in this country right now. ISIS has only been on the rise for the last four years. The migrant crisis that they admittedly abuse has been taking place over an even shorter period of time than that. The terrorist cells lying in wait around the first world could be looking for an opportunity exactly like this to get a large number of future walking bombs into Europe who had no way in before.

We are now being told to take in 100,000 from Syria with no way of screening them. You'd have to be fucking retarded to think that will end well.

Last edited Nov 18, 2015 at 02:03AM EST

A woman is confirmed to have blown herself up with a suicide belt during the raid in north Paris. Seven explosions were reported. Including her, one other terrorist is thought to be dead and one bystander has been injured.

wahhhh who are you afraid of, widows and orphans??

ed: French military has been deployed to the area. Still one terrorist left inside.

Last edited Nov 18, 2015 at 02:14AM EST

>Why don’t you tell me what you think Islam is and why exactly it should continue to exist?

And there it is.
You know Lisa, if its what you really believe there is nothing wrong with being an “Islamophobic”. It does make some sense even if you base it more on opinion than fact. I mean what do the facts do for us? Not much really. Its just guess work in the simplest terms. People can lie after all and all we have are opinion polls and loose number data. The fact is only a tiny percent of the Muslim population are active-terrorists. The rest are split between supporting these terrorists and condemning them. Statistically there are a lot of them so it is certainly justifiable to fear them. Fearing something different is human nature.

The most thorough solution (imo) would be a total war policy and strict monitoring of Muslims. In the Syria and the rest of the Middle East kill anyone that resists and arrest everyone that doesn't. Throw them in camps, interrogate them, maybe let them go, and in the power vacuum install puppet govts with strong financial support. These states follow our laws not the archaic ones of Islam. Effectively police states. Then rebuild the infrastructure, industry and raise the quality of life. Would they be free, no but it would be stable.
BUT thats not the world we live and thats not what we as a civilized people represent or wish to be responsible for. So until a solution can be reached or (more importantly) accepted, people will die and suffer. That has always been human nature and until people are willing to change for the greater good of the whole and the individual than this cycle will only repeat itself.

SO once again Islam is not the problem it is the people who are willing to follow it to the point of insanity and delusion. They are the problem. People who are more willing to dedicate their lives to a book than to their own lives or to a humanity. They are the problem. They can't accept change. And for over a thousand years they haven't changed but the rest of the world has. So Lisa I can understand your fear, but I don't agree. As humans we should strive to be more than what we are. More than just smart animals. We have a choice; the high road paved with our suffering, or the low road paved with their blood. Both could lead to a better tomorrow, but which could we live with.

My point was that if we don't know how the past unfolded how could we possibly make the right decisions for the future.

Alright Lisa, simple question here. What do you think should happen to people who don't choose to abandon Islam or it's teachings? Or people who refuse to stop referring or identifying as followers of Islam, or as Muslims?

What's your big solution for the people who will refuse your desired goal of seeing them abandon their faith and belief? I'm actually curious here, since you like to put people on the spot so much, how you'd handle the problem your presenting to everyone else?

And no, I wasn't talking about Syrians only, Lisa. I was talking about all the immigrants who come to the united states each year. Tell me if the syrians added into the millions of people who already show up to the US is so drastically plentiful.

But here's another question for you to answer. Why don't you tell everyone here about what screening processes you'd like to see implemented? And how you would actually have them enforced, seeing as how you won't have Syria to collaborate the refugee's stories to rely on. What's your big solution to the screening question that'll solve it all that everyone else just isn't seeing?

Islam isn't a race, genius, and the KKK were Protestants hence their hatred of Catholics.
I didn't say all Muslims are terrorists either, I said all Muslims are radical because Islam is radical.
Or do you think cultures where men can and do sell their daughters as soon as they turn 10 are moderate?


First, some updates.

Eight ISIS suspects arrested at Istanbul airport claiming to be refugees on their way to Germany.

A bill being voted on at the end of the week in France includes a measure to shut down mosques and community centers where it's determined terrorism is glorified.

David Cameron has said he is willing to go against public opinion and take action against ISIS without a UN mandate.


Diesel the police dog is the only confirmed death during the raid. He was killed in the explosion created by the woman's suicide vest detonating.

Abdelhamid Abaaoud was not among those arrested in the flat. Unknown if he is among the dead.

The female suicide bomber in the flat was his cousin.

Inside the flat were explosives, suicide vests, and plans for another attack on a commercial district in Paris.

The train line that closed down in Hannover after an unattended package was spotted is back open, police say the package was an extremely well made dummy bomb.

{ What do you think should happen to people who don’t choose to abandon Islam or it’s teachings? }

Nothing? Please read more carefully: { What many people are suggesting is that an oppressive religion that has more than become a political ideology no longer has a place in this world and should be willfully abandoned. }


{ And no, I wasn’t talking about Syrians only, Lisa. I was talking about all the immigrants who come to the united states each year. }

You're saying look at all the immigrants that we've taken in that aren't terrorists. I'm telling you that we've only been accepting refugees from countries where terrorism is active (and they have an active plan for abusing said refugee system) for an extremely short amount of time. Now we're being told our President plans to allow a significant number of specifically Syrian refugees into the country with no preventative screening measures despite everything we've learned over the past few days.

The total number of refugees is not the concern, it's the number of terrorists hiding among them that we currently have no way to identify that concerns people.


{ And how you would actually have them enforced, seeing as how you won’t have Syria to collaborate the refugee’s stories to rely on. }

If Syria and other Islamic Republic countries do not want to share information with us, we don't take in their refugees. Period. They can all go back to Syria, where they claim to be coming from, and Syria can deal with them.

This is Australia's everyday border policy. Any boats full of migrants that have come ashore they've turned around and sent back out, no exceptions. Any migrants trying to cross any European border should be turned around and sent back to the UN reception center in Turkey, no exceptions.

The UN has HUGE refugee operations running in Turkey, why don't they stay there? They're only leaving UN refugee centers because they want to be in Europe, which is reason enough to examine them on a much more stringent level. The only people who have a reason to leave the UN's spaces are people who specifically want to be in Europe for a job or terrorism. Economic migrants will not have their refugee applications accepted and would be deported anyway (part of the crisis now is that there are so many migrants who don't qualify for asylum Europe can't figure out what to do with all of them until they can be deported), and terrorists should obviously be stopped at the earliest point.

Instead of calling for any third world migrant in the world to come en masse, they need to be stopped in Turkey and vetted/registered there. Genuine refugees who have passed the screen and been granted asylum can then be resettled in European countries. One main point where they all have to go through instead of tens of thousands walking in from god knows where.


{ The fact is only a tiny percent of the Muslim population are active-terrorists. }

Yes, if you read the Quran you will only find loose prescriptions for terrorism, but why are you drawing the line there? This is apparently where I've confused you. I do not think all Muslims are terrorists. They are all radicals. "Islam is not terrorism" but Islam is still incredibly sexist and violent and rules politically over an entire region. "Islam is not terrorism" but Islam is selling your daughter to settle a debt. "Islam is not terrorism" but Islam is being legally owned by your 13 year old son because you're a woman and you have no independence. "Islam is not terrorism" but Islam is being lashed 1,000 times for blogging your criticism of the religion.

But hey, as long as it's not terrorism, right guys!?!

{ In all, French police have carried out 414 raids and made 60 arrests while seizing 75 weapons since Friday.

The captured armory includes 11 military-style firearms, 33 rifles and 31 handguns. In addition to dozens of arrests, 118 more people have been placed under house arrest in another of the new powers permitted under France's state of emergency. }

It just makes me more mad that they're finding all of this stuff in all of these houses they knew about the whole time but never made a move, because nobody was "positive" they were really going to plan terrorism attacks, best just keep an eye and wait for something to happen. That's the logic of our national security, this has been their approach. It's not like these people are put on a list just for being Arabs, these are people who have been put on a list specifically for terrorism suspicions and then are allowed to keep on keeping on like you and me.


Same magazine that hosted our on-the-run "mastermind's" interview and photospread.

UPDATE: { Russian investigators now believe that the bomb was planted in the passenger cabin, not in the hold.

Investigators from the Federal Security Service, Russia’s internal security agency, said analysis of the wreckage showed that a small high-explosive device was probably planted underneath a passenger’s seat near the rear of the cabin. }


You guys think I have a problem, the French-Canadians are REALLY taking this personally.

Man in Joker mask threatens to kill ‘1 Arab a week’ in Canada

Every instance of physical retaliation thus far has been in Canada.
Here we've mostly got graffiti and menacing phone calls going on.

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Let's review before we go over the next update.

All of the terrorists, besides the migrant suicide bombers, were French or Belgian nationals whose parents fled the Middle East 40 years ago, who were radicalized shortly after ISIS' rise.

They have been admittedly taking advantage of Europe's open borders policy (even more recently the migrant crisis but that is not what this post is about) to go from Syria to Europe and back and forth to plot/fund/equip terror operations.

{ Dimitris Avramopoulos, the EU Commissioner for migration, insisted that no change is necessary to the current border code that says EU passport holders should be subject to the “minimum checks” when they enter Europe from the Middle East or elsewhere.

The Paris attacks and the apparent ease with which terrorists moved both too and from Syria and then from Belgium into France with weapons in their cars, has raised serious questions about the viability of the Schengen system – questions dismissed by Mr Avramopoulos.

“Schengen is not the problem. We are not intent to open a debate on Schengen's future. Schengen is the greatest achievement of European integration,” he said, “If we put Schengen into question, it is a back-track on European integration. We shall not permit it.” }

These people are nuts.


{ Henry Samuels writes: Hasna Aitboulahcen, reportedly the woman who blew herself up in a police raid in Saint-Denis on Wednesday, was known by French intelligence to have "offered her services to commit terrorist attacks in France", according to iTele citing police sources.

Aitboulahcen, a cousin of Abdelhami Abaaoud, the suspected mastermind of last Friday's Paris attacks, had been under "triple surveillance" from French intelligence, judges and the police for drugs running and terror probes. }

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Paris prosecutor holding a press conference.

  • Abdelhamid Abaaoud has been killed.
  • Molins states security forces found “a total war arsenal” including “assault rifles of the Kalashnikov model and explosive belts” in the Saint-Denis flat raided this morning.

{ "The investigation has considerably progressed. Another terrorist unit has been neutralised. Everything leads us to believe that givent their weaponry, and level of preparation that they were ready to act."

He described how Friday's attackers got to Paris:

"[There were] three coordinated commandos."

"Three vheicles, Polo, Seat, Clio all arrived in Paris in a convoy in 10-minute intervals from Belgium on Friday. All the cars were rented in Belgium." }


{ A senior Iranian cleric says the Paris terrorist attacks have been staged by European governments in a response to their "fear of growing support for Islam on the Continent". Ahdmed Vahdat reports:

"The growth of Islam in European countries has led to their governments' misleading attempts to resort to terrorist actions to defuse this trend", cleric Ali Saeedi, ayatollah Khamenei's representative in the Revolutionary Guards had been quoted by local press as saying.

Iran's ayatollah Khamenei has so far refrained from commenting on the Paris terrorist attacks.

At the height of the Arab Spring Khamenei had called the movement "Islamic awakening" and predicted its ramifications will reach the Western world. }

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CNN:

Honduran police Wednesday said they detained five Syrian men who traveled with fake passports to the Central American country's capital.

"These citizens will be taken away and will be investigated. We already have confirmation that they had passports that were stolen in Greece," said Aníbal Baca, a spokesman for Honduras' Police Investigation Unit.

"We suppose that they were going to illegally travel by land all the way to the United States," Baca told reporters. He did not provide details on why police believe the group was planning to go to the United States but said that investigators would do more digging in the coming hours to confirm the group's travel plans.

Greek authorities and Interpol were involved in Honduras detaining the men, Baca said. Before the men had arrived, they had traveled to Lebanon, Turkey, Brazil, Argentina and Costa Rica, he said.

Baca didn't specify why authorities had been tracking the men. They will be presented to prosecutors to be investigated on charges of falsification of documents, he said.

The arrests come amid increased international scrutiny of Syrian migrants amid concerns that one terrorist in last week's Paris attacks may have used the sea of refugees flooding into Europe as a cover for his travel.

Earlier this week, authorities in St. Maarten detained three people who they said were of Syrian descent and were traveling with false Greek passports, according to information provided by St. Maarten authorities to U.S. law enforcement, a U.S. official said.

None of the detentions have been tied to terrorism. Many migrants with no ties to terrorism travel on false documents around the world.

New U.S. effort to flag fake documents

It's unclear whether U.S. authorities played any role in the Honduras case.

But the United States is sharing information more widely from databases of false travel documents with countries in the region, the U.S. official said.

Partly in the wake of the Paris attacks, U.S. authorities are helping to coordinate a new effort to flag suspected fake passports and identity documents that terrorists could exploit to travel, the official said.

Intelligence and homeland security officials are increasingly alarmed at evidence that terrorist groups are using false passports to hide their travel, the official said.

Sharing information from the databases, the official said, can help prevent people from using migrant flows through Latin American countries to get into the United States. It's also part of renewed U.S. efforts to share more information with friendly countries so they can use it to enforce their own security, the official said.

CNN's Catherine E. Shoichet contributed to this report.

Link

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{ Intelligence and homeland security officials are increasingly alarmed at evidence that terrorist groups are using false passports to hide their travel, the official said. }

Everybody but the President seems to be.

{ How did Europe's 'most wanted terrorist' slip into France from Syria unnoticed?

Gordon Rayner, Henry Samuel and Steven Swinford report on the fact that attack mastermind Abdelhamid Abaaoud, reportedly killed in the police raid earlier this morning, was apparently able to reach Paris undetected.

French and Belgian security services are facing difficult questions as to how one of Europe’s most wanted terrorists was able to slip back into the country from Syria and mastermind the Paris attacks from a flat in the city.

DNA tests are expected to confirm that Abdelhamid Abaaoud, the man named as the mastermind of last week’s massacre, was one of two Isil murderers killed in a fierce gun battle with police in Saint-Denis, little more than a mile from the area attacked on Friday. One of them was a female suicide bomber who blew herself up. }


Jewish Teacher in France Stabbed By 'IS Supporters'

{ Three people on two scooters approached the teacher in the street before showing him a picture of Mohamed Merah, who killed seven people in a series of attacks in southern France in 2012, on a phone.

"The three people insulted, threatened and then stabbed their victim in the arm and leg. They were interrupted by the arrival of a car and fled," prosecutor Brice Robin said. One of the attackers was wearing an Islamic State t-shirt, he added.

The victim suffered three knife wounds and was taken to hospital, but officials said his life was not in danger. }

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According to a new ComRes poll, 59% of the British public now supports sending ground troops to fight ISIS alongside the USA and France. It increases to 68% if it was the United Nations collectively sending troops. 79% support closing the borders between European countries.


Assad, president of Syria, despite the media and White House championing the cease-fire agreement including internationally moderated elections which is set to take place "within weeks", has now publicly said that timeline does not start until terrorism is defeated in the region. He now says after terrorism is defeated, within 1-2 years the country could have an election. The White House has not yet responded.


The force from the blast of the suicide bomber's vest was apparently so powerful her spine was found across the street.

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Reports that the last living terrorist from the attacks, Salah Abdeslam, was sighted in Brussels by police. The terror alert level was raised to 4 and snipers are camped out everywhere in case he turns up again.

There are also reports that ISIS is angry with him for not completing his tasks, and he allegedly told people who knew him in Brussels that he's worried ISIS will attack his family in retribution if he surrenders alive.

Terror part 2: Mali jihadists take entire Bamako hotel in Mali captive where many politicians are currently staying. The northern part of Mali was almost completely occupied by al-Q forces until a French-led intervention force drove them out in 2013.

3 dead (2 Malians, 1 French national)

80 Muslim hostages were freed after reciting Quran verses on demand, there are still ~90 left inside.

US and French special forces are currently trying to clear the hotel one floor at a time.

The president of neighboring Chad insists that this attack has nothing to do with religion.


ABC has a video of the moment the female suicide bomber blew herself up, including a chunk of her back flying out of the window. :|

Her former friends have been speaking out to the media.

{ In a statement, her brother Youssouf, said that he had never even see her open the Koran.

'She was living in her own world. She was not interested in studying her religion', he said. 'She was permanently on her phone, looking at Facebook or WhatsApp.

Another friend Mattius Jacques, 24, said: 'She was normal she wore Western clothes, she never wore hijab. She didn't go to mosque or pray. She never spoke about news or Palestine or anything.

'She wasn't religious at all. She was like you and me, she went out, she lived a free life, always out partying. }

{ She appears to have only become radicalised in the last month after abandoning her former lifestyle to join ISIS. }

Terrorists involved in this operation:

  • radicals who are a product of the war zone they were raised in, not normal people, hardened Arabs living under rocks in the desert, JV squad: 0
  • casual Muslims born and raised to immigrants of first world Western countries who suddenly see the light of fundamental Islam: 7 (all French or Belgium nationals)
Last edited Nov 20, 2015 at 09:42AM EST

This just in again.
French trending hashtag of the day: #21h20 (9:20 p.m), as the precise hour (GMT) the attacks started on Friday 13th. It's used as a tribute to the tragedy by featuring various music pieces as well as photographs of people lighting candles.

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