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Here on KYM, we're supposed to provide objective, unbiased research and reporting on internet memes and events, and if it weren't obvious already, the GamerGate article fails utterly to do that:

-Article refers to moot/janitors removing GG threads on /v/ "censorship" without presenting their reasoning
-Gallery is filed with baseless slander towards anti-GGs, even more baseless anon claims, and completely absurd conspiracy theories, plus a bunch of images that belong in the White Knight or SJW galleries, and in general highlights anti-GG stupidity while ignoring pro-GG stupidity
-Most of the comments are spreading further baseless accusations, comparing anti-GGs to Nazis, etc.

As it is, the GamerGate article is so stupidly biased it's no better than any "gamers are dead" article Kotaku could come up with. At the very least, the gallery needs a massive cleanup to remove unsourced claims, personal attacks, and irrelevant images. Personally, I think the comments should be locked, too; if you want a place to put your conspiracy theories you can make a thread about it where it won't interfere with unbiased reporting.

We want to clean GG, oh god do we want to. I'm pretty sure if us mods had our way, GG's gallery would be purged and the entry locked down (getting past those of us who are using the entry as a means of entertainment). However, there are a few problems:
a) The admins have explictely said that we aren't to touch GG for now, at least not until things have died down, if that ever happens
b) 'censorship' is a touchy subject among GGers. Regardless of whether we're actually censoring them or not, they would play hell up if we touched their precious 'evidence'.

As long as those two reasons stand, I don't think we're in a position to start cleaning and fixing that entry.

@21

Even though it is a biased cringe-fest, I don't think it deserves to be locked at all. You basically want to go against half of the userbase. Also, it's not like rules are being broken in the comments. They're comments. They have the right to be as biased as they want to. The gallery as well since it depends on user uploads. The only thing that needs to be clear of bias if we are to be considered a reliable database is the article itself which can be easily cleaned since it's already pretty unbiased from what I've seen. The comments shouldn't be regulated at all aside from spam like any other entry, Ignore it. The image gallery is difficult because you need to fact-check things to see if any "evidence" is legit. That's the hardest part of this really. Overall though, I say leave it alone and if you don't personally like it, that's your problem because in terms of site rules most people are doing nothig wrong. Don't know why you'd want to see it locked so much.

Regardless of whatever problems may legitimately need to be addressed, they're not going to listen to any kind of reason if you don't get rid of the attitude of superiority and the condescending tone. Reading those comments, I don't see a bunch of fanatical lunatics- the vast majority are actually quite logical and coolheaded with regards to objections as long as they're stated with a decent level of respect. If you just mock them and say they're a bunch if babies, then no shit they're going to get pissed off.

@Sam
The Cringeworthy article got locked, even though people didn't like it, because it was being almost entirely used for personal attacks. Why should the GamerGate article be any exception?

@0.999
Did I mention that over 140 of them upvoted a comment comparing the anti-GGs to Nazis? They're not going to listen to reason no matter how we put it. They don't want "journalistic integrity," they want a giant echo chamber of their own views.

I will admit, that the GG Article is seemingly biased for pro GG. But, most info that users are getting from GG itself is pro GG supporters. Most anti GG info is being reported on, and users are documenting and posting claims and arguments from Anti-GG members, like articles, tweets, and chat logs which users generally dislike. I also see why people with anon claims are posting for many reasons. They could get banned, lose thier jobs for reporting or even get personally harassed for what they say. I do agree with cleaning irrelevant images and personal attacks. I don't blame the editors because they get the info that they have to add in the article. All I'm saying is that users have reported on images, both for and against, and we need to come to middle ground on what users and mods can say and not say things about this issue in my opinion.

The only anti-GG arguments that are getting posted are cherrypicked to be the worst ones. It's deceptive, because anti-GG people are made to look like ineffectual idiots while stupid pro-GG arguments get swept under the rug.

Just because someone could potentially face repercussions for posting something doesn't mean they're automatically trustworthy. I'm inclined to doubt an anon saying moot was fucking half the anti-GG leadership, for example.

I still don't really know what to think about Gamergate, or our entry. The only reason I'm an editor on that entry is because user edits tend to be biased. Anything that puts the anti-GG side in a bad spotlight is written as fact without any sources or external references to back this up, or written in extreme detail with pointless info.

a) The admins have explictely said that we aren’t to touch GG for now, at least not until things have died down, if that ever happens

But that is towards the entry like with locking certain sections, not individual images. If it's clear that a certain image doesn't belong in that gallery for whatever reason, it can be moved or removed like any other image.

But likewise to Sam, I don't see why it needs a complete lock tbh.

But yeah, the image gallery needs a cleanup to remove anything irrelevant to the content of the article. And as far as I'm aware, we are still in the green to remove individual irrelvant images.

Reading those comments, I don’t see a bunch of fanatical lunatics- the vast majority are actually quite logical and coolheaded with regards to objections as long as they’re stated with a decent level of respect. If you just mock them and say they’re a bunch if babies, then no shit they’re going to get pissed off.

I don't really care if they're making sense or we're just dealing with zealots here (probably both). At the end of the day, the content of the comments isn't there to measure the content of the entry. As OP wrote as well, articles have to be written from an objective and unbiased point of view. Our comment section is biased, but our entry shouldn't be.

-Gallery is filed with baseless slander towards anti-GGs, even more baseless anon claims, and completely absurd conspiracy theories, plus a bunch of images that belong in the White Knight or SJW galleries, and in general highlights anti-GG stupidity while ignoring pro-GG stupidity

You can report those in the Image Report thread, and we can move them to their respective galleries. The Gamergate gallery isn't there to serve as an echo chamber to whore for upvotes. If they don't belong in that gallery, then they don't belong there.

What was the comment itself, and what was the context in which it was made? These things are necessary to know before I can attempt to make any kind of "impartial" judgement. I would hope that this is something that everyone would understand.
Look- I don't really care too much about GG- for one, I don't consider myself a "gamer" unless you really stretch the term out. There is some legitimate bullshit in the way websites are handling criticism that some people could reasonably get angry, but there's so much more out there relating to much bigger issues.
But the way I see some users treating this new… thing (I guess you could technically call it a "cummunity" within KYM) just kind of rubs me the wrong way. If you refuse to let these users defend themselves, or to listen and give them at least of a bit of the benefit of the doubt when they do so, then it seems to me that you're being about as unreasonable as you claim that they are.
But then again, that's just my take.

I don't think Pro GG supporters are trying to make Anti GG people look like idiots. But Most stupid Anti GG arguments are being used by the majority of the people who are against GG, not all. I will admit that people comparing SJWs to Nazis are a little insane.

As for the anon claims, this argument goes two ways. Just because completely anonymous sources stating suspicious claims doesn't mean they are automatically false, like the GameJournoPros leak, for example.

All the pro-GG people here have done to "defend themselves" is downvote and insult me. When they actually argue, their arguments are weak at best (i.e. "well they MIGHT have hacked into archive.org to censor things!!!")

As for the comment I made, it's SuperSonic096's top comment on the article right now. It says "Remember what I said about Social Justice Warriors becoming modern Nazis?", links to one of the aforementioned unsourced (and easily shopped, i might add) images, and has 145 upvotes as of this comment.

@unusedusername (got ninja'd)

It doesn't matter if they're deliberately doing it or not. Making one side look like idiots and putting the other on a pedestal is not unbiased reporting.

The problem with the anon posts is that they're being presented as hard facts when that's just not the case. Any completely unverifiable post is no better than conjecture.

Like I said in this thread, I agree with your points on biased reporting and other gobbledygook.
As a token of kindness, want some tea?

(BTW What does ninja'd mean?)

1. I would have to see those comments you made to determine who was in the wrong.
2. Not sure where you're looking, but I've seen arguments a hundred times better than that.
3. Okay, yes, that's an overreaction (in regards to the comment, not the image). But you can't use that one thing to waive off everything they have to say..

and where is your completely verified evidence of that image being shopped?

(No really, I'm actually curious).

@0.999
1. Here is Platus getting downvoted (and me getting insulted as usual) for questioning Op Disrespectful Nod methods, here is me getting downvoted for questioning the validity of a post (and getting "well it MIGHT be happening" as a response), and here are several users getting insulted and downvoted for questioning the absurd claim that the SJWs are going to raid KYM. And that's just what concerns me personally; just looking through the gallery and comments will net you several more examples.
2. I'll admit I've seen some people who have actual points, but they're unfortunately outnumbered by those who think "ur a faget" or the like will win them debates. Even in the above links, you'll see pro-GGs responding to arguments with one-sentence insults (one of which literally uses the word "faggot") or reaction images.
3. Did I mention that no less than 145 GG supporters upvoted that comment, and thus agree that the anti-GGs are equivalent to Nazis?

@iamslow
The facts that A) there is no actual proof of that happening, B) putting text or images onto a screen in a picture would be easy to convincingly shop, and C) the image is completely ludicrous. "INDEPENDENCE IS A MYTH"? Really?
You're shifting the burden of proof here. Pro-GGs originally made the claim that this is a real image, and thus pro-GGs must provide proof or substantial evidence that it is not a fake.

I wan't to see it locked because I'm sick of the same 5 – 10 people causing the entry to trend with their constant updates on LISTS OF SAFE SITES and updates on twitter posts. The way the obsess over it is almost as bad as the guys on r/atheism who claim they don't let religion control their life and then focus on it all day.

True. You'd think with it trending non-stop it would be a lot of people, and while it is, 90% of the comments are the same ten people. It's the reason I stopped even bothering to go on there. Nearly every single post is just a bunch of links. They don't even hyperlink it or use textile to make it show up if it's an image even though most of them have been taught how. It gets dull and it's unnecessary. I don't think it warrants a lock though. I think a viable solution for this is a "less GamerGate" option sort of like the "less pones" option. It doesn't seem like this is going to stop in ages and that article has been hogging the trending bar and the trending images box for ages. I think it's better for people who don't want it shoved in their faces all the time to have an option not to have it everywhere. Maybe it's too much work, but it's an option at least.

Overall guys, I still don't think it needs locking. Maybe a little bit of muscle-flexing and warnings, but I don't think it should ever come to locking anything over there. I don't know how exactly you'd get them to listen if you tell them to tone it down because they usually don't, but it's the best way outside of locking it which should not happen.

Just a note that I did tell people to toned it down, learn to textile and everything. It is not my fault that people doesn't seemed to be able to do it. But i'm willing to stress that again if it needed to be.

And yes, even though there are a handful of people posting comments there, the traffics and the amount of votes showed that a lot of people, not just 10 people alone are using the page as a sort of info hub on #gamergate. They just happen to not comment on it. The page views alone should indicated how much traffics it had getting. I'm sure the 10 people alone cannot gather near 500K views.

And yes, I know that it is not what you guys wanted, and I apologize for using it as such, but considering the censorship that have been happening all over the place we literally have a number of options to discuss/update about it on one hand.

And lastly, we welcome dissenters as long as they actually have an well worded opinion. It makes the place less of an echo chamber, but the amount of people coming in with good arguments and all can again, count in one hand. But i digress because it is an issue for another time.

What about the people who just post that 1 same comment like every day, regardless if it's still on the page?

Does it get deleted?

@Doh

That's good to hear. Just keep it orderly in there alright? It'd be nice if insiders like you try and keep things running smoothly instead of having angry mods coming in telling people to shut up. And yes I know the page is really popular along with the image gallery, I'm just saying it's mostly 10 people commenting everyday.

Well I am trying. My opinion is pretty respected in there. But sometimes i can only rein in so far.

Snickerway (D-Day in 245 days) said:

…without presenting their reasoning…

On September 19th, 4chan founder Christopher Poole posted an announcement explaining why all GamerGate threads were being removed from the site, claiming that many were violating the site’s global “no personal information / raids / calls to invasion” rule (shown below).

It took me 15 seconds to click on the article and scroll down to the relevant section.

Gallery is filed with x

Please point me to the relevant rule that says posting "false" images or conspiracy theories is banned. As long as images are related to the gallery in question and don't violate NSFW rules, they're clear.

Most of the comments are spreading further baseless accusations, comparing anti-GGs to Nazis, etc.

Again, please cite the rule that says Godwin's Law or "baseless accusations" are banned because I'm not seeing it.

…downvoted…

To the best of my knowledge, people are free to up/downvote as they see fit.

-It covers the second sentence of moot's explanation, and that's it. Remember that most of the people reading the article are here for general GG information they expect to be unbiased, so they're probably going to tl;dr moot's post (if they don't just read the heading and tl;dr the whole section) and assume he dug up an old rule for a bullshit justification for removing GG threads.

-Remember when Cringeworthy was locked because people were only using it for personal attacks? Yeah, that. "Relevance" does not give you the right to use a gallery to attack people.

-No, they're not. We've been over this dozens of times. Downvoting is for use on spam and trolling; that's why a comment with enough downvotes gets spoilerboxed (so it'll cover up shock images/autoplay earrape videos/etc.). Ask literally any mod about this and they'll affirm it. Hell, ask Random21 about it and you'll likely get a multi-paragraph rant.

The gallery is now full of #Gamergate propaganda and the Anti#Gamergate propaganda was donwvoted and mark NSFW by this user

That user have missuses his edit power and a very hypocrite move if I may add.

I digged through a week of media edits and the only edit that user you linked made was on that image you linked. That's not really worrysome yet tbh.

(Also, images like that are just retarded. Thanks Loli for moving it out of the gallery.)

I've talked with the user Generaalucas in the #GamerGate channel, on the IRC, and realised that their mindset is far away from what KYM does, which is documentation.

In their own words, they "collect evidence"; regardless if the content they upload is relevant or not to the entry. We are like a hosting site to them. Is obvious that not everyone thinks like that, but the constant warnings for uploading unrelated stuff to the gallery proves that some users think we are the ultimate safe place against the SJWs, Anti-GG, etc etc.

Personally, I don't give two shits about GamerGate. I don't mind people posting "recap of safe places", in fact, I find those comments funny.

Maybe letting them know that we are here to document rather than being a "safe image-dump" would be good.

Well, I was about to post some texts to defend us but i'm kind of tired of baby sitting people. So i direct this page to Lucas instead so that he can smooth things over. The only thing i can really say to you is that please don't use his own opinion to broad stroke us as a whole.

You wot, mate? I've said: "We're collecting and documenting all evidence that happens within GamerGate, like tweets, videos, comments and whatnot." You're cherry-picking and taking things out of context. Shame on you.

Also, yes, we are here on KYM because we believe it to be one of the last places we can freely speak, without fear of shadowbanning (Reddit) or just being silenced (4Chan). Everything that happens get documented. Everything that is off-topic gets removed. That is how that works. And I don't think the things I've uploaded are off-topic here. The only warning I got was for something I actually asked consent for, and got from two mods.

The only problem right now is a lot of mods who have been attacking us over the last couple of days. First they go into small raids in which they criticize our work, then they go and troll and take over our IRC, and now this bullcrap. If it wasn't for Don not allowing you, you would have taken down the entire page and cleaned up the entire image gallery. Please; go pester someone else.

Damn it lucas, you got first. Yes; I am the founder of the channel, I got Doh and General in as ops because I thought they were competent, and they are. I can get why the article is not neutral and that the gallery is bloated with propaganda. I can get that our channel is used to organise pro-GamerGate operations while us still being related to KYM, and that doesn't make you happy. But for fuck's sake, apart from what lucas has said, I also got brute forced (16 times, not much) and threatened. If you don't care, prove it.

I was the one came up with the idea of an IRC channel dammit :P

what does that have to do with the entry

It is a joke.

You gamergaters talk about "journalistic integrity" all the time, but when unbiased journalism suddenly isn't entirely to your advantage, you do a 180. You react to an attempt to write an article from a neutral point of view with wild accusations of conspiracies and corruption? You don't want "journalistic integrity;" you want journalism that suits your views and only your views. All you want is a massive echo chamber.

KYM is not your personal echo chamber or propaganda machine. We are a site dedicated to unbiased coverage of Internet memes, culture, and events. Our purpose is to never take sides, and if the "journalistic integrity" you want doesn't turn out to be as favorable to you as you'd wanted, you can choke on it.

Lay off him TripleA, no harm in trying to lighten the mood. I tried to go in and smooth things over the other day after the whole raid incident, and I was pleasantly surprised at how nice you guys all were, you guys in the very least are pretty open to debate, and there were a few of you I enjoyed talking with.

This doesn't change my stance on things, however. Getting past my thoughts on GG in general and my opinion on the users involved, be it positive or negative, I still feel the way the entry is being handled is not working, especially the images. Lots of long text info dumps which would probably take me longer to read than the Bible, and kinda just clog up the gallery. I appreciate the effort guys went to to try and equal out the bias, but it's just not the point. We are not another image uploading site, we are not here to store evidence, we are a research site, and our image galleries should not be a dumping ground for article screencaps, vaguely related tweets from random people, circlejerk meta images and fifty-billion biased 'catch ups' of the whole situation.

I can argue the same for the comment section, that entry has been trending non-stop for like, a month now. The comment section is really too impractical for conversation, and personally, I would much rather users use the forums for that shit. The forums are way more efficient for conversation, and it would also help stop the entry from trending so much.

Overall, my leanings within the whole GG situation isn't what's leading to my decisions, it's that I don't feel that you guys are really using the site in the way that you should. But I would never think of censoring any of you, you deserve a say as much as anyone else.

Also whoever threatened Shiny Rice, not cool

Everything that happens get documented. Everything that is off-topic gets removed. That is how that works.

That's all I need to know really.

If it wasn’t for Don not allowing you, you would have taken down the entire page and cleaned up the entire image gallery. Please; go pester someone else.

We're here to document, and taking down entire pages would go exactly against that. So you're kinda over exaggerating with that statement.

Point is that we're an objective site. We don't want to choose a side, we don't want to be an 'ally'. It's ok to document, or to 'collect evidence' as you'd like to call it, but please don't use KYM as a medium to push your personal agenda. That is all really.

As for the mod attacks you mentioned. The mods in question were probably just fooling around, there's no need to take it personal haha.

Okay, gonna toss my 2 cents into the discussion and argue some points.

I don't know how to make multiple quotes in a forum post, so I'll just quote each individual statement manually as I go through them.

"The only anti-GG arguments that are getting posted are cherrypicked to be the worst ones. It’s deceptive, because anti-GG people are made to look like ineffectual idiots while stupid pro-GG arguments get swept under the rug."

If you feel that the image gallery is biased towards the side of pro-GG because it doesn't feature enough non-GG arguments, why not simply help contribute yourself? You are entirely capable of doing your own research and presenting examples of GG being the bad ones.

I won't deny, I'm sure there's plenty of GG-aligned people out there that have harassed, and said bad things. The difference to GG is that the people against us have a professional obligation to not be like that, and yet still we see executives and journalists comparing gamers to ISIS.

If you're talking about the KYM article itself, I don't see many 'arguments' in it at all. It talks about the events taking place and why people are doing the things they are, not which side is 'right'.

"All the pro-GG people here have done to “defend themselves” is downvote and insult me. When they actually argue, their arguments are weak at best (i.e. “well they MIGHT have hacked into archive.org to censor things!!!”)"

So… getting downvoted because you comment from a viewpoint that is contrary to the majority, means that the comment section should be locked? That's like saying the MLP article's comments should have been locked because trolls got downvoted into oblivion for making negative remarks.

I don't see how you could honestly expect otherwise. If you walk into a space with a certain alignment, and play devil's advocate, you shouldn't be surprised that those people will downvote you. It's not like it matters, downvotes on comments don't contribute towards your Karma or anything.

"As for the comment I made, it’s SuperSonic096’s top comment on the article right now. It says “Remember what I said about Social Justice Warriors becoming modern Nazis?”, links to one of the aforementioned unsourced (and easily shopped, i might add) images, and has 145 upvotes as of this comment."

Wait wait wait. Just a couple quotes ago you said their arguments were weak, "well they MIGHT have hacked into archive.org to censor things!!!", but just now you question the validity of a photo because it could have been shopped? But you don't have any proof of these shops…

You're making blatant double standards here. Your arguments are as shaky as theirs supposedly is. What it comes down to, is that the article is biased towards the side you don't agree with, and that's why you want to shut it down.

"Did I mention that no less than 145 GG supporters upvoted that comment, and thus agree that the anti-GGs are equivalent to Nazis?"

Not really. the sentence was "becoming modern Nazis". He didn't say they were, and 145 people simply agree that the SJW's actions (the hate-mongering, the mob mentality, the 'with us or against us' propaganda) resemble that of the Nazi party.

"The facts that A) there is no actual proof of that happening, B) putting text or images onto a screen in a picture would be easy to convincingly shop, and C) the image is completely ludicrous. “INDEPENDENCE IS A MYTH”? Really?"

Please read: Argument from Incredulity
Also, if you look at the lighting from all the different images (particularly that yellow shine coming from the bottom of the screen), as well as any images retweeted by Feminist Frequency on Twitter, you can see that they look exactly the same. As in, if they're shopped, they're basically perfect shops. You can argue their validity all you want, but Occam's Razor makes it pretty likely that they're real pictures. Now, we still lack context for what's on screen, and I'll give you that, but the pictures almost certainly are at least real.

Personally, I think the mods should continue with what they've been doing. Warn people if they cross any actual lines, and remove/relocate any images that aren't relevant to the entry.

Need I remind everyone that the MLP:FIM entry stayed in the trending bar for almost three solid years without being locked or purged? I don't see how two months is such a big deal to you.

"If you feel that the image gallery is biased towards the side of pro-GG because it doesn’t feature enough non-GG arguments, why not simply help contribute yourself? You are entirely capable of doing your own research and presenting examples of GG being the bad ones."

I can't outweigh the ten or so people working around the clock to find stupid anti-GG posts on my own. The issue is that there are too many people making pro-GG uploads and edits and not enough people making anti-GG uploads and edits.

"I won’t deny, I’m sure there’s plenty of GG-aligned people out there that have harassed, and said bad things. The difference to GG is that the people against us have a professional obligation to not be like that, and yet still we see executives and journalists comparing gamers to ISIS."

What makes a small minority of anti-GGs comparing GG to ISIS different from a small minority of pro-GGs comparing the anti-GGs to Nazis?

"So… getting downvoted because you comment from a viewpoint that is contrary to the majority, means that the comment section should be locked? That’s like saying the MLP article’s comments should have been locked because trolls got downvoted into oblivion for making negative remarks."

We have been over this dozens and dozens of times and I'm sick of explaining this.

DOWNVOTES ARE SPECIFICALLY MEANT TO BURY TROLL POSTS. DOWNVOTES ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR PUTTING DISSENTING OPINIONS WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE THEM. THE MODS WILL CORROBORATE ME ON THIS.

"Wait wait wait. Just a couple quotes ago you said their arguments were weak, “well they MIGHT have hacked into archive.org to censor things!!!”, but just now you question the validity of a photo because it could have been shopped? But you don’t have any proof of these shops…"

You're shifting the burden of proof here. My argument is the same in both cases; it is simply a request for proof of a claim. If your claim is true, it would be much easier for you to prove yourself right than it would for me to prove your claim false (which in many cases would be literally impossible; for example, to disprove the claim that GG supporters are hacking archiving websites, I would have to individually investigate every archiving website in existence to determine whether or not things were being censored).

"Not really. the sentence was “becoming modern Nazis”. He didn’t say they were, and 145 people simply agree that the SJW’s actions (the hate-mongering, the mob mentality, the ‘with us or against us’ propaganda) resemble that of the Nazi party."

By that logic, GG supporters "resemble" ISIS because a small minority of them threaten opposing journalists with physical violence and attempt to suppress information.

"Please read: Argument from Incredulity"

I'm not asserting the pictures are absolutely fake, I'm asserting that it is very unlikely that they are real. You're the one here that's saying that they must be real.

"Also, if you look at the lighting from all the different images (particularly that yellow shine coming from the bottom of the screen), as well as any images retweeted by Feminist Frequency on Twitter, you can see that they look exactly the same. As in, if they’re shopped, they’re basically perfect shops. You can argue their validity all you want, but Occam’s Razor makes it pretty likely that they’re real pictures. Now, we still lack context for what’s on screen, and I’ll give you that, but the pictures almost certainly are at least real."

Can you link to the pictures that you cay support your claim?

Also, I'd say Occam's Razor is in my side here. What's less simple: anti-GGs engaging in some sort of mass brainwashing plot, or some guy photoshopping some pictures?

"Need I remind everyone that the MLP:FIM entry stayed in the trending bar for almost three solid years without being locked or purged? I don’t see how two months is such a big deal to you."

The problem is not that the GamerGate article is trending; the problem is that the article is biased towards pro-GGs. If the MLP article amounted to "HURR BRONIES ARE ALL AUTISTIC FAGETS" you'd bet there'd be an uproar about it.

Here's a couple tweets I found with pictures from XOXO Fest, the convention in September that the pictures are from:
#1
#2
Both of these were retweeted by FemFreq, which is as good a validation as any that they're legit.

Here's another picture of the Independence is a Myth slide.

I can't find any tweets of it, unfortunately, but you can see that it's a totally different angle than the picture on the GamerGate comment section. I tried looking for recordings of the talk, but couldn't find one. XOXO 2014 only seems to have two of their talks online, despite there being over a half-dozen shown on the schedule. Hopefully they'll get uploaded and we can get some confirmation. I'd like to see exactly what was said, myself.

In any case, I don't see why you find it hard to believe that a convention for Internet hipsters/ideologues would feature slides that sound like propaganda.

"The problem is not that the GamerGate article is trending; the problem is that the article is biased towards pro-GGs. If the MLP article amounted to “HURR BRONIES ARE ALL AUTISTIC FAGETS” you’d bet there’d be an uproar about it."
Show me one spot on the Gamergate article that makes inflammatory mention of SJWs or journalists.
Show me, please. As an editor on the article, I'll remove it myself. If you think something's wrong with the article, send me some decent revisions and we'll fix it.

Snickerway (D-Day in 244 days) said:

The issue is that there are too many people making pro-GG uploads and edits and not enough people making anti-GG uploads and edits.

I never realized image galleries had to contain exactly equal pro/con pics. It must be hidden in size one font in the rules. If you don't like the content of the gallery, you're more than free to post anti-GG content (so long as it's relevant).

DOWNVOTES ARE NOT TO BE USED FOR PUTTING DISSENTING OPINIONS WHERE YOU CAN’T SEE THEM. THE MODS WILL CORROBORATE ME ON THIS.

Regardless as to your or the mods desires, an up/downvote system will de facto be about upvoting content you agree with and downvoting that you don't. You have 57 downvotes against you, how much of that is due to you trolling or people simply disagreeing with you? In addition, if the mods want that to be the case, they need to put it in the rules. Otherwise, it becomes useless buried in the thousands of comments made.

And if I'm not mistaken, there's been a long running debate within the mod team and within the community at large over what role karma/voting should play in KYM.

Yeah, we have no reason to mandate balance from user uploads. We are only allowed to moderate from a non-biased set of rules. This means if our community leans heavily to one side of a debate, we have no actual way to stop them unless if it's unnecessarily inflammatory. (Long story short; We can't enforce anything not in the Rules, or else Don will yell at us again over Email.)

If you want Media Submissions to be balanced, contribute and urge others to contribute accordingly. Though just know the voting system can't be moderated, and also has absolutely no effect on your user score. (Though something may be introduced later that will alleviate the voting abuse problem. Maybe. Depends on what gets implemented first.)

On the other hand, the content of the entries themselves MUST be absolutely unbiased in order for an entry to be confirmed. In the case of an Event Entry, we must record the events of both sides opposing each-other.

If you have proof that the entry is missing information or is biased;

Show Us Some Evidence!

Edit:

The reply this gets I think will help decide what forum section this thread actually belongs under. If evidence is presented for Missing Content, I'll move this thread to Meme Research.

Like Natsuru Springfield just said, the entry language should remain as unbiased as possible but images in the gallery are not held to that standard. Like RandomMan said, if they are not relevant to the entry, they can be moved. If they are "biased" but are relevant to the entry and do not break our content guidelines, they stay.

I understand the need to make/keep the body of the article unbiased. The fact that I don't believe anybody here has mentioned, though, is that what would actually constitute it being unbiased is not inherently apparent. Rather, it's something up for debate. Where is the place for that debate? Here? The comments? Both? Neither? Should regular users have a say? (My position on that is obvious, of course.)

The one thing I would toss into the ring about the article is the larger (vertical) images in the image gallery, I'd like to see some of the longest ones pruned, not because I don't feel they should be seen, but they interfere with the loading code of the image gallery, it's not intentional, but it's disruptive for someone just trying to browse the dam thing.
P.S. put the long ones on imgur or cache them on your HD if you want to refer to them, but when the images get so large they make browsing the image gallery almost impossible, isn't there a line to be drawn?

The question of objectiveness and balance within the documentary works we are trying to produce is a site-wide question, and undefined within our rules.

It will mostly depend on what you want to do.

There are probably people who know the actual standards for this stuff so Q&A might be the location for that. If you want to push for a change to the website, start up a new thread in Suggest Ideas.