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At times it seems that users don't always agree with the removal of images by the mods, believing they do not break the Site Rules and aren't too NC but should be allowed within the NSFW guidelines.

If you have issues with how NSFW and NC is dealt with on this site, share it here and give examples if possible. Perhaps we can answer you or make the vague line between NC and NSFW more clear.

why would you try to find porn on a site that documents memes?

Seriously, they are tons of other sites to get your fix. Sure, nice to see some fine anime and cartoon tiddies that's trending, but I can easily get my daily porn fix by just googling it or going on certain sites. Tumblr is a huge example.

We already heard that one a billion times. And although I can agree, in the end it's a poor excuse and not an argument.

Next.

Apologies if this is slightly off-topic, but on either side of the discussion, please don't attack other users for their opinions. It's against site rules, as well as making you look like a goddamn idiot. If you think this is funny, you aren't funny. That is all.

IMO, I would like to have a medium between using the galleries for it's intentional purpose, as well as keep the community it has. R34 stuff is good in most cases (it shows that there is an active fanbase), however when it gets to NC content that's where it gets a bit in the grey zone. The rule I personally use is that if you can wear the outfit to a day on the beach, then it passes. Obviously this is not an official rule, so don't take it seriously, but that's where I think the line should be.

KYM does compile sources of art from all over the Internet. Some sites do this already such as a lot of Boorus. But many of them still aren't very comprehensive. KYM, in that sense, has a breadth of art (and sourcing more recently) that other sites don't have or encourage/enforce. Still, I agree, that's just a reason and not an excuse.
 
I think one thing that could be clarified is whether or not stuff like "pokies" and "cameltoes" are just NSFW or NC. How defined does the outline need to be? Or does it just need to be known that "Yes, that's the vulva" or "Yes, that's a nipple?"

Maybe some examples (or examples of 1) SFW, 2) NSFW, and then saying "3) anything beyond the NSFW example regarding X is NC" would help make clear guidelines.

Not all users are just looking for porn. If it is related to the entry in question, it should be there to be as representative of the entry as a whole as possible. Take, for example, a bowl of M&Ms. If you take all the green ones out, it's still a bowl of M&Ms, but it's incomplete regardless.

As far as bias goes, since it does exist and is clearly a prominent issue:

I'm tired of people (users and mods) covering up their bias with insults and strawmen, never actually getting to the point at hand. Whenever anyone say anything that goes against a general consensus, no matter how wrong that general consensus is, they get immediately downvote-bombed and their point is ignored like some kind of joke, and the offenders just hide behind their wall of condescending sarcasm until the problem goes away. It's utterly ridiculous how often this happens. I'm totally fine with everyone having their own opinions, but those opinions should never affect image judgement, or user hate, which a different issue entirely.

As far as NSFW goes, the current rulings in the Rules and Guidelines are fine as long as they are obeyed and the mods respect what is and isn't allowed by them, but that tolerance seems to be quickly growing thinner for no apparent reason.

I don't really know what else to say, other than I honestly doubt this thread will actually cause any change in rules or behaviors.

There are too many variables to consider.

NC and NSFW content should be up to mod discretion/mod consensus.

Why is it such an issue to upload just fun images? I know ecchi pictures can be a big part of a fandom, sure, some examples could be uploaded, but flooding the gallery with just pictures of this nature is plain ridiculous, the site is supposed to document memes and that's about it, it's getting out of hand, how's a bunny showing it's a*s to the screen any relevant to Pokemon? There might be bias, but some of the users earned it

My solution? Lock the galleries with this problem and just let certain users upload relevant images, also clean the humongous NSFW quantities of images this is not r34

I don’t really know what else to say, other than I honestly doubt this thread will actually cause any change in rules or behaviors.

This is up to how active this thread becomes and how many people are willing to step forward. It's not uncommon to see people complain about the mods, but it's a rarity to see people step forward and take a stand.

Complaining behind our backs is easy, but won't change a thing and only get more people mad in the end. We're just mods, not gods. We won't suspend people for voicing their issues with the moderation on this site.

But I guess I will start with something I did notice a couple of time and can see if it can be made more clear: Possible mod bias over NSFW Furry and Pokefurry.

You see, NSFW and NC guidelines are commonly based on general opinion and general consensus. General opinion simply is harsher towards furry content than non-furry content. I understand, this may seem vague and unfair if you are a person who likes furry content and doesn't differ between furry and non-furry.

To give an example: In the past we had a guy who was REALLY into the diaper fetish. Spammed the MLP gallery quite a bit with it. He was hated for it and when the mods removed his stuff we were applauded for it. But in the end, his content was just as fine by the NSFW Guidelines as the standard furry stuff we get uploaded (even milder perhaps). But his fetish was simply one that people look at more harshly and don't generally accept that easily.

That's the case with Furry NSFW. Furry is generally more accepted than most disturbing fetishes, but remember that it is generally still not as accepted as regular NSFW content. By asking us to give NSFW furry the same treatment as regular NSFW, you are basically telling us to give the entire Paraphilia gallery an OK and making all the Pokemon stuff in there fine to upload to the Pokemon gallery.

It might appear unfair if you like the stuff, but general opinion simply expects from us that we treat furry stuff different than regular stuff. It's more accepted than most weird stuff, but still not accepted as 'normal' in the end.

To prevent any issues, either make all of it (within the confines of the guidelines) OK to post, or none of it. Because blocking certain images is discriminatory. If you only block certain pictures rather than none or all, users will complain about other images that should be blocked, and pretty soon the media mods will have a large clean up on their hands.

Like I just said in my previous post: You are asking us here to give the same treatment to Inflation, Vore, Diaper, Mpreg, Guro, Scat, or any other type of weird/disturbing fetish you can come up with, as regular standard human NSFW/NC.

There will always be differences, and you are simply gonna keep some discriminatories. This is impossible to prevent.

You bring up good points, though I'd like to bring up some other trends I've noticed.

I have a hard time believing that the Pokemon NSFW is as widely hated as, say, the diaper fetish incident. The reason I say this is because while the majority of votes on fetish images outside the Paraphilia gallery are almost universally negative, I see mostly positive votes on these, indicating that the ones complaining against them are a vocal minority rather than actually representative of the general consensus. I don't know if this is relevant or not, considering we DO have a Furry gallery that would likely be more suitable, but I don't think general thoughts on the images is the problem. I'm open to suggestion, and agree that while the particular images in question DO fit in the Pokemon gallery, the Furry gallery would likely be better.

I disagree that any one type of image should be treated differently than the next, regardless of what the userbase requests, however. As long as an image is relevant, it should be judged just like any other, in accordance to the Rules and Guidelines as closely as possible.

EDIT: This includes moving images to the appropriate gallery, or, alerting the uploader that their image has been removed, and that they should post it in "______" gallery instead, for example. I'm fine with images being removed, moved, or whatever, as long as the reasoning is sound and as objective as reasonably possible.

Since I caused some of the backlash I might as well put my two cents in:
Honestly this may not be a valid argument but really it still is true that we are a meme documentation site, not a porn site. I've seen many many users on the site (even me to be fair) dump their personal fap folder and favorites into gallerys for only themselves. Its a really annoying thing because as said before we are a MEME SITE not your cloud program for storing your porn. If your post is not relevant to the gallery (I.E is just porn) it shouldn't be posted.

One argument is that it is relevant if it shows an example of the material of the gallery. This is only true on some cases, but really ask yourself this question: what are you documenting by posting this porn? There's probably already an artwork showing of this character near naked in the gallery, we only need one, not every single porn you can find of it.

Also no, not allowing all NC content is not discriminatory, again we're a meme site, not a porn site, what use is allowing porn when it would just annoy and disgust users causing them to leave, also if that were to happen the galleries would be chaotic. Think about it, if we allowed that the galleries would just be filled with NSFW banners everywhere and nothing important would get documented, we just turn into e621 having obscure and disgusting tags everywhere, do you really want that?

What's the "red line" and.or definition when it comes to gore? Does the content have to feature viscera or is large amounts of blood enough to qualify? What if the gore is in black and white?

Is edited porn okay?

What about written NC content as opposed to graphical?

What are the exact rules for linking to other sites? Not just with regard to obvious sites which may be off limits, but with regards to linking to sites like Tumblr where linking to one item that isn't NSFW may lead to NSFW.

I"ve also always been curious if the NSFW rules are in place due to advertising issues (sites with lax restrictions tend to get less dosh) or if it was strictly an admin decision.

NC content:

Mmmm…. Well, IMHO, even if some people are just using this site to give people fap material or to make their own personal fap folder by uploading these images, it still has it's place on KYM. Every fandom has it's R34, and as long as it follows the guidelines people have the right to post it…

Yes but like I said we only need ONE rule 34 example, not thousands upon thousands.
Unless said porn is infamous in the community, it doesn't need to be documented

Why doesn't this apply to other images, then? What makes the NSFW/R34 any different? We have thousands of images depicting the same things, just look at the image macro entries. By that logic, we should have no repeating subject matter on the site. Only one picture of Link would be allowed on the LoZ galley, only one picture of Mario, etc etc. There are going to be similar images on the site, and naturally some of those are going to be NSFW.

The difference between one SFW Link and one NSFW Link is that the SFW isn't generally objectionable. NSFW, by definition, isn't something you can't look at without it being objectionable to a sizeable portion of people. That's why there are spoilers.

In addition, some entries are going to have more porn than others based on the memetic phenomenon. But if you attempted to document it in proportion to the reputation for the porn or NSFW images, you'd end up with a gallery that's mostly spoiler images anyway. It defeats the purpose of the gallery after a while.
 
In this subdebate, I'm not taking a side, because there's merit to both "sides." But to bring it back around to guidelines, is there a consensus on how to handle the amount of NSFW images in a gallery? And how do you "enforce" it?

One idea is to leave NSFW images to Media Moderators, but there are only so many mods, and they don't upload images to every single gallery. Then again, I don't know if KYM suffers in its documentation without NSFW images in non-NSFW galleries.

Another is to simply set a "guideline" for uploaders to not focus on NSFW images.

Another is to not worry one way or another. Just spoiler NSFW and let the gallery look as it will.

I asked this before and I'll ask it again: What are you documenting with this porn? No seriously, what is it that you're documenting? Sure one porn is representing the rule 34 of the entry that's fine, but every single one is documenting nothing. A ton of pictures of link is fine because theres so many variations with it, but a NSFW link there's so little you can show without breaking the NC rules that you're really documenting the same thing over and over. Even with the NC rules you're still just documenting what not much people want to remember.
I'll admit I love a good NSFW pic every so often but even I have to admit I could go elsewhere for that, not here where I'd just be embarrassing myself. We don't need much them unless they show spread, and really how does porn show spread? Yeah a few porn pics show the spread of sexual love but that's enough, after that you're not documenting memes, you're trying to make one. If you are going to upload NSFW content at least check the views or likes of it to see if its popular enough to warrent an upload.

I don't know about porn, but I do see a lot of fetish-related stuff in KYM… which isn't as bad as porn though.

Wel if you're just gonna repeat yourself, then I guess I'll just repeat what was said by Milotic in my own words:

In what way is a SFW image "documenting" more than a NSFW image of the same category?

There is a ton of NSFW stuff of every fandom out there, of that there is no doubt. By entirely ignoring NSFW and keeping it limited to how you're proposing it, one image, you're deliberately ignoring the NSFW involvement in a fandom.

As long as NSFW isn't dominating SFW more than necessary, being that users don't focus their uploads around it like soms sex deprived nerd, it's should be fine imo as long as the rules allow it and they don't whine each time one image gets removed.

As long as NSFW isn’t dominating SFW more than necessary, being that users don’t focus their uploads around it like some sex deprived nerd, it’s should be fine imo as long as the rules allow it and they don’t whine each time one image gets removed.

I think we can work with that. It's very rare that any one image is needed for documentation NSFW or otherwise (the first known instance or notable instances are ex. So if one is removed for being irrelevant, potentially NC, a potential duplicate, etc., then there shouldn't be much issue.

And there shouldn't be any problem as long spoilers aren't dominating most of a SFW entry.
 
…are you saying there's something wrong with being a sex-deprived nerd?

Pretty much, and I agree on that last bit. As long as it's not flood-levels of NSFW (Which it really hasn't gotten to, and warnings could always be sent to those who come close to flooding anyway), it should be allowed as long as it's relevant to the entry and follows the rules, since it IS valid documentation as part of the subculture/meme entry.

This could work, but that would take us back to where we started. So if you wanna end this that way thats fine just don't be suprised if this happens again.

Only if mods don't follow up on warnings, suspensions, and bans.

Warnings will inform users that something is wrong.
A suspension inform and temporarily stop the problem of flooding.
A ban will stop the problem altogether.

It was never my intention with this thread to 'stop' NSFW. It was my intention to give users a place to have their concerns and questions regarding NSFW or removed images answered.

You specifiacally said that you are willing to take a step foward if this thread is popular enough. I'm not saying we have to change anything I'm just saying if you want to end the discussion with "well, we're not really going to change anything but thanks for your input" then thats fine.

The main concern wasn't that NSFW should be "stopped". The problem was unnecessary discrimination between the various kind of NSFW. I believe that all NSFW images should be handled the same way; fine as long as they don't break rules and aren't flooding, but it appeared that others felt differently.

Yea, the problem was that there were complications with moderators and NSFW content, I thought we were here to discuss that as well and see if we can come to a compromise with the mods to see how we and them can handle NSFW, were we not?

Well for one thing I feel there should be something specifically mentioning barf because of all the loopholes and chaos that resulted as that being "technically allowed".

I don't like it myself, as it will turn my stomach much sooner than urine and even feces. But I think if those aren't allowed, then vomit shouldn't be either.

I believe that all NSFW images should be handled the same way

Some time ago, on the IRC, RM asked me about an image from the inflation gallery and if it was part of the fetish or not. The image was not inflation per se but more of the "fat/obese" fetish.

After that, we took a look through the gallery and moved/deleted a few more images that we're not part of the fetish. While we were doing that, it came to my mind that image about e621 with the dog saying "You have to do what you have to do" and a next to him there was a huge list with tags like "guro, scat, feces, rape, fat, etc".

In that moment and right there I said, "Fuck no. We're a not e621. We don't care about any of this, we only care about the documentation of said fetish on the internet. Whatever people upload into this gallery is not our problem. Moderating "fetish" images is not our job."

Of course, my idea to stop it was pretty much insane (to some people). We lock each gallery and we stop caring about it. Since our part is to confirm said subculture on the internet, with a few images on the gallery and a few examples on the article is enough. We don't care about any of that beyond that point.

What you're saying is that we should apply the NSFW guidelines (which, by the way, were intended and meant for more "normal" stuff) to images that are not conventional porn. It's like that game for babies where you have to put the cube on the square and the ball on the circle. Right now we're trying to put the cube inside the circle, and I am not going to lie you, it's super frustating.

Technically, you didn't do anything wrong. However, the way you use this site and your mindset is not the correct one. Or at least it's not how we expect users to use this website: as a database / some sort of wikipedia.

as long as they don’t break rules and aren’t flooding

¿What is flooding to you? ¿In what point you say that a certain gallery is getting flooded with certain kind of images?

Sorry for repeating myself but, for example, I consider that right now the pokemon gallery is past beyond of being "flooded".

Take the "Neko/Catgirl" gallery. Another potential dump for nsfw crap. And like I explained on the comments, "NSFW. A little bit? Yes. Much more on the future? No thanks". Either we stop it now or we'll end up complaining like little kids about how users ignore everything and, finally, a temporary lock on the gallery.

There are a lot of SFW examples out there, why there this urge to constantly upload NSFW stuff? Nobody is forcing you to do it and it's not the main point of this website. We don't need all the different types of NSFW fanart there is on the internet. Three, four, ten examples are more than enough.

My stand on this is the following: NSFW shit? Yeah, why not. NSFW fanart/whatever helps to prove the spread and how active a certain fandom is. Having a few examples doesn't hurt anyone and it shows the other side of the fandom. Always on moderate amounts.

Now, constant upload of NSFW images, to the point where you can call it "flooding". Yeah, no. Whatever is your reason (upvotes, attention, affection, whatever) to do it, it doesn't go with the idea and concept behind this site.

What to see furry porn? Go to e621. We only document memes and internet phenomena here. I am Loli Desu and vote for me.

Loli basically said my opinion on the NSFW images in a way I could never word it coherently. Thank you Loli. To the point where if you go to the Pokemon gallery and only like 1 out of every 10 images is SFW I would call flooding. Having so much Fennekin porn that it takes up the entire newest slot that shows up on the entry I would call flooding.

Just because I'm defending the rights of the users to upload NSFW according to the Rules and Guidelines doesn't mean I'm the one uploading it. Believe it or not, I don't actually consider myself a furry OR only come here "for the porn", nor have I ever uploaded an NSFW image at all. So saying "the way I use this site is wrong", and that users "only upload NSFW for the attention", as if you actually KNOW how I use this site, is just as frustrating for me as this apparently is for you.

I completely understand not wanting the site to be drowning in NSFW at all times, that's not what I'm vouching for and certainly not what I think this site should become. However, I DO think your proposed solution of locking galleries and restricting all NSFW post to ~10 images is absurd like you said. Believe it or not, this site actually does have a community behind it, and said community's desire to share things like images and comments and such is a huge reason, if not the biggest, reason people come to this site in the first place. There is no reason to crack down on NSFW to the point of effectively destroying the community, especially if it's not against the rules.

I really think people exaggerate how severe the NSFW really is. The stuff I tend to see, be it any gallery, is usually pretty tame compared to the vast majority of the internet. Even calling it "porn" in the first place is pretty big stretch in most cases. As for why people upload it in the first place, I can't say, since I don't know, but with the current rules it's in their right to do so as long as too many aren't uploaded at once (You wanted a number, so I would say a "flood" is 15+ similar images in a short time, as a rough estimate.)

Just as a side note (Not really part of the debate, but it crossed my mind and is somewhat relevant): If people really have a problem with people that "insist on uploading NSFW", why do they insist on clicking the links in the first place if it bugs them so much? And if they want more SFW, why aren't they uploading it themselves?

EDIT: While it is relevant to the Pokemon gallery since that does get a lot of NSFW traffic as is likely the biggest example of the topic at hand, that isn't specifically what this thread is about. Just FYI since I don't want this to become an argument over the Pokemon gallery rather than the handling of NSFW moderation as a whole.

I'm with Loli here as well. Even RandomMan has said that the point of the site is the articles, and that technically, the only images we really need are the ones referenced in the actual article (though Loli and RM have very different philosophies on what this means)

Many of the mods agree that NSFW images should be more about stuff that has value other then just basically porn. Some of use have tried to change the rules to reflect this (with discussions of about it of course) to reflect this, but never got very far, despite multiple attempts to do so.

It should also be clear that the mods who think this don't think everything NSFW is bad. As Loli sad, more "normal" stuff, or in other words, stuff that has value other than just sexual fanservice. Kill la Kill Metroid crossover is good. Source material means it kinda has to be NSFW, and the image has value more than just "Omg, look at the boobs/ butt". All things considered (especially looking at other images in the Metroid gallery) it's fine. Images that are literally just a butt or things that are functionally porn are not the kinda stuff we really want and many of us would love to get rid of it. This stuff helps flag the site as a public unfriendly place, which may lead to having the site being blocked to people who access the site through public channels.

Edit: @MiloticExalted

"And if they want more SFW, why aren’t they uploading it themselves?"

You seem to be suggesting that this doesn't happen.

"-crack down on NSFW to the point of effectively destroying the community, especially if it’s not against the rules."

How would this destroy the community exactly? If sharing images is what you really want, you can easily still do this via PM or IRC. You all came here for memes, otherwise you wouldn't be on KnowYourMeme. Again, we want to avoid having the site flagged as a publicly unfriendly place. Sure, if it in nessciacry to fill the basic goals of the site (ie, notable example or entire meme is NSFW) then we have no issues with stuff that seems to push this a bit. Stuff that is basically just porn and serves not goals other than that which porn would serve is not what we want.

Then my question is this: How does ANY image have more "value" than another? Especially when it comes to similar subject matter, why does it matter if it's SFW, or NSFW, or what kind of NSFW, or whatever? It's still relevant to the gallery, and as long as it's not a repost, contributes something new that wasn't there before. As it stands, the rules say nothing about "certain kinds" of NSFW being bad, or even discouraged (Barring obvious things like ACTUAL porn, or gore). But hey, you guys are the ones with the ability to change the Rules and Guidelines, not me.

I mentioned this before, but I still find it hard to believe that NSFW posts make KYM seem like an unfriendly place. Judging by how most of the NSFW has overwhelmingly positive votes (I hate to use the vote system as evidence, but there isn't really another way to judge the overall effect something has on the average user), I can't possibly believe the claim that they make the site seems unfriendly. I'd love to see evidence, if you have some that I might have missed.

If we're talking about the Internet as whole, and how people outside the site see us, that will always boil down to their personal views in the end. That being said, while it's true we CAN technically change the site's reputation by changing the rules on what can/can't be posted, I doubt the results will be drastic enough to warrant the change in the first place. As far as public internet services blocking sites for NSFW content, those will generally make their decision based solely on whether a site has NSFW or not; truth be told, I don't think most public channels will care about "how much" NSFW is on the site or even how severe it is, just that it has NSFW at all. It's most likes a "Yes/No" situation than a detailed analysis of the site. Of course, this is all speculation, and as I already said, all of that comes down to the public channels themselves, and there isn't a lot we can do about that.

As for what I meant on destroying the community, that was directed at the suggestion to lock all the confirmed galleries.

@Milotic
A SFW picture has more value becuase it most likely has something of value to the meme (I.E a funny joke from an anime or a cool fanart), a NSFW picture most of the time just shows a character with ass or titties or both with no real meaning to it other than "Man dats so HAWT!". Also you have to remember: we don't make memes, we document them. An image getting a ton of upvotes really means nothing, in fact if an NSFW image gets a lot of up otes that more or less shows the internet that we are like what RM said "a bunch of sex deprived nerds" and do you really want that?

The only images/instances that have real meaning are ones pivotal to documentation. For example, Daily Dose has a very NC gif, because the original instance…is anal rape. But it being the source instance is why KYM documents it.

Most instances don't have that sort of importance in documentation. SFW or NSFW. The only other examples are notable mutations, highly shared instances, ones shared by popular people, and the like.

As for community, the userbase here is very, very small compared to other measures. Views (for the most part) And Facebook likes are probably better measures. The active userbase may be 1,000. The number of Facebook likes, the people who come to galleries from the Facebook page, is over 500,000.

You can think of it this way: KYM survives pretty easily without without any NSFW media. But having too much of it presents problems.

Believe it or not, this site actually does have a community behind it, and said community’s desire to share things like images and comments and such is a huge reason, if not the biggest, reason people come to this site in the first place.

And again, we're not a social site, a furry site or whatever the "community" thinks we are. We are a wikipedia…sort of, period.

Also, do you have any proof that the social part of this site is what keeps this website going on? If you do then I'm willing to rethink my point of view and deactivate afterwards.

There is no reason to crack down on NSFW to the point of effectively destroying the community, especially if it’s not against the rules.

So if people suddenly starts asking about allowing pornographic content, ¿we should allow it? ¿Just because a bunch of people asked for it? ¿Even though it completely defies the idea of documenting internet phenomena?

You seem to have your priorites backwards. What the community wants =/= not our main objective.

Of course, we do listen to the community most of the times. Many of the features we got on the last on the last months were thanks to that.

@NON:
So basically, everyone's either a conceited asshole or a sex-deprived nerd. I thought everyone knew that already.

@josie:
I understand why things are and aren't documented as entries, but said entries are going to have related NSFW almost invariably. How much of it shows up is directly tied to how prevalent it is in relation to said entry. We've already gone over why we shouldn't remove all NSFW.

@Loli:
I completely understand that this site was originally made to document and inform with the help of the contributing community, but it's apparent that it's become more than that. Why do you think we even have comments sections, or forums, or walls, or IRC? I never said you have to listen to everything the community says, but as the only people that users can ask these things about, it's probably a good idea. The example of allowing pornography by popular request would never go through, since it's against the rules, but if someone suggests something reasonable, you should listen.

As for people staying here for the community, Yes, I actually do have proof.
I quote:

I have fun interacting with you people

Actually, what I’ve discovered in my experience with you guys is a way to interact with creative people that give me with inspiring ideas

People.
Lots of people here make me smile and laugh. Nothing more is needed

@Milotic
That thread is 3 years old. Perhaps something more recent would be better evidence.

@Milotic

It's actually quite surreal that you'd link to my post of all things. Hahaha.

Anyway, down to business.

Have you forgotten that this site is meant to be a SFW site? Yes, we allow some images to edge close to non-family friendly material, but we always make sure the content avoids being too risque to be viewed in public.

Other than that, the community thing is a poor argument. First off, the community is far different than it was back then. Second, a community does not change the aims and goals of the site. Various sites contain vast, active communities. That doesn't make them change the ideals or guidelines the site itself was built on. Try not to overstep your importance to the site, be glad you're even able to chat to other community members.

Most of the people that posted on that thread are still active today, so I doubt their views would spontaneously change, but I suppose it's technically possible.

Anyway, this discussion has gotten pretty out of hand for a fairly simple request, and since my moderate depression from last year is starting to come back, I don't think it would be healthy for me to keep up with this argument that clearly isn't going anywhere at this rate, since it's honestly pretty stressful. That being said, I'm gonna try and wrap up the whole point here and now, then probably take a break for awhile…

This whole debate started because some people I know, and a few I don't, have been threatened with suspension over the time I've been here for uploading things that, while within the rules, the mods weren't happy about for their own reasons not specified in said rules. It's a basic principle of law that all people that set laws (rules, in this case) for others, must also follow and respect them themselves; to do otherwise makes you a hypocrite. This should not be up for debate. Thus, the mods that made these rules in the first place, or became mods/staff under these rules, are morally obligated to tolerate and allow anything that follows them. This includes any exceptions and flaws in said rules, and anything that you guys see as "loopholes" that may arise from them, regardless of any personal views you may have toward them. You can't just punish people because you don't agree with their post being on the site. If you want something to change, collaborate and change the rules to accommodate that instead of going with your intuition, because to the rest of us that are less informed of what goes on between you guys, it looks like you're just making up rules that aren't there. I'm not trying to argue what the site is for, or how its used, or any of that. I just want the rules to be respected by everyone, and I'm really confused as to why this is such a hard point to grasp. Right at the bottom of the Rules and Guidelines, it says:

Should a disagreement arise over any specific submission present in the rules and/or guidelines presented on the page, it will be settled by the Know Your Meme Staff and Cheezburger’s Community Manager.

According to this, the staff can change the rules with the Community Manager's permission. If you have a problem with them, take it up with the Manager instead of trying to stretch the current rules on the users that aren't doing anything wrong to their knowledge.

To sum up, you cannot expect users to follow standards that aren't set, so set them if you want them to be obeyed. Otherwise, things are not going to change, and you can't expect them to. With that, I'll probably be leaving this discussion for awhile. I hope I've at least given a good viewpoint to consider.

For starters, you rambled on about how the mods are being hypocrites and not following the things they're arguing for which I don't know where you got that from. The mods aren't constantly uploading super risque porn that and flooding galleries with them. If you could show me that happening recently with the mods who are arguing against it in this thread I'd love to see it.

Secondly, they're not arguing rules, they're arguing the core purpose of this site. The core purpose is to document memes and they're saying no amount of user petitioning or spamming of galleries would change that. They're saying spamming NSFW images violates the very purpose of this site which is to be a wiki of sorts. Flooding a gallery with near NC content goes against this as well as the fact that this site is supposed to be seen as a more clean SFW site which much of the NSFW content uploaded violates. Like lil b said, the idea is things that would be seen on a summer day.

Lastly, there is no community manager at the moment so that is void, and as I said this isn't an argument about details and rules, it's about the site's purpose which cannot be changed as long as it remains Knowyourmeme. Understand yet?

I am here to offer a possible solution to the NSFW content vs. documentary content dispute.
As the point has been stated, this site is very much in the borders of SFW, and is more or less a big wiki for Internet culture. Here is my suggestion; why not go for a kinda of "Chat Room" setup? I know we already have the IRC, but that area is not only somewhat unknown to a decent portion of the userbase, but it also is more an all-accessible hub, so sharing things like NSFW content there is… Subjective to say the least.
This Chat Room can be a place where users share all the content they want, but isn't accessible to say, a wandering person on the Internet. Perhaps we could have sectors of sorts to suit preferences. So say, people like me playing competetive games can discuss all sorts of whatnot In one room while not crowding up the image gallery nor comments with it instead. Furries could gather together and share what they like without causing another incident like the one a couple months ago where I went full-retard, Riff-Raff users have an anarchic playground, et cetera. In a sense this can weed out what isn't needed in the galleries and comments and instead those can be dedicated to documentation, which is the entire purpose of the site to begin with.
I know it is actually a really tall order. I don't know how long that could take, and I know nothing of coding, so this could be rendered moot.
Alternatives could be password/questionnaire locked forums or simply promoting the IRC more and reminding users that they can create their own rooms there. That might be a proper solution.
Any thoughts? Rebuttals? All I know is that this could sort of lessen the divide between documentation and personal preferences here. An imperfect solution, but it is a solution nonetheless.

@Dragon Master Trollanort

If you want to make a suggestion, take it here.

Also; we have something like that, it's called #OMGKYM. Right now nobody uses it anymore because it got removed from the auto-join of the chat, but everyone is more than welcome to post in there since it's still active and fuctional. You might find slimecap in there sometimes.

Riff-Raff users have an anarchic playground

This already exists. It's called #knowyourmeme.

I feel like this idea has probably been brought up before, but wouldn't it be possible to implement a filter that completely hides NSFW and/or spoiler images at users' discretion? That way, users who don't want to see NSFW images in the gallery could hide them, and other users could still see them. Maybe it could even be set to hide NSFWs by default, so you have to log in and deliberately change the setting if you want to see them.