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Redirecting from here. A small debate has sprung up recently regarding loli art that is sexualized. A few of our mods have been considering allowing less of that, as sexualized art for prepubescent characters tends to cast a bad light on any site. Others have argued that loli art is okay on the site, for one reason for another – whether it's because "It's not really bad" or "there's not a good way to stop it that I see", there have been arguments made.

Eglamore said this on the issue:

On a second note, and I wish to direct this at all users, since this is the “Report Problems” forum: the word “lolicon” is wasei-eigo (Japanese portmanteaus made from English words) for “Lolita Complex”. This has no other meaning than being a """polite""" term for one who is attracted to strongly childlike physicality i.e. a paedophile. Although it is euphemism, it still carries this meaning and this meaning alone. Any notion that it is “just an artstyle” is apologism and should be ignored. There is no “less bad” loli art. Attempting to quantify it is again, apologism.

I think we should ban all such art from the galleries, with zero exceptions. People like Miyazaki have spoken at length about this shit. We have an entry that describes what it is and its presence on the internet. That is all that is required here on this site. There are other places you could go on the net if you really needed to see such things. The End.

Mameme, in response, had this to say:

Ok but where should we make it not be Lolicon? The age of consent in the USA and UK which are the countries that have the most people around here (I’m assuming, if someone from the Mod team could correct me) has the age of consent of 16 to 18. So 16 up fictional characters allowed?
The only problem I see with this is stuff like Yoko Littner which is stated to be 14 and is already sexualized by the show itself.

So, what do the rest of you think? I want to hear what the userbase thinks we should do.

Should Mameme happen to read this:

Lolicon refers to, to use the word Rivers used, those who are attracted to "prepubescent" traits. "Pre" meaning "before". 14 – 16 ish is not "pre"pubescent, that is pubescent. The character you are describing is pubescent. Prepubescence would be obvious, even by anime standards.

Prepubescence refers very clearly and specifically to children rather than teenagers. However, attempting to define an absolute cutoff is probably an exercise in futility, since anyone can claim than a drawn image's subject is above such an age. That said, the character you gave as an example still identifies as beneath 16 and therefore beneath the age of consent. There is no ambiguity. If it were me, I would ban any sexualised artwork of her, completely. Unless an artwork explicitly states that it shows her as older or something.

I'm not actually sure what should be done other than a very straightforward ban on all such ambiguous images, to be utilised at the moderators' discretion.

On another note, the point of "Already sexualised by the show itself" does not work as any kind of excuse. To go back to the very original example of Lolita, just because Humbert views Dolores as sexual, does not mean the sexualisation of Dolores by either Humbert himself or other people is okay, nor does it mean the author, Nabokov, was condoing it either (in fact he certainly was not). A story or artwork showing things as happening is not necessarily condoning that thing. A Song of Ice and Fire contains copious amounts of rape; that does not mean that rape is okay, or that the author condones rape, or that all the characters within the story do either.

And I sincerely hope that no one mischaracterises my point here. I'm not even saying such things should be banned from the internet altogether. I'm saying that we don't need them here on a meme/humour site, and there are other places you can go if you really desperately absolutely must view such content.

Edited for typos.

But if we ban Yoko Littner fan art from here we are effectively banning her completely on here because of what she wears and I just don't think that's right. She's an important character in the story and there is fanart of her wearing the same stuff in the anime that isn't meant to be overly sexualised despite it's revealing nature. I feel like we have to have rules here for lolicon. It has to be Lolicon where the show has to be over PG-13 and shows the little girl being sexy or just very sexy artwork because of stuff like Yoko. Gurren Lagann is mostly PG-13 except for that bath episode, removing a character from that all because she's slightly underage would be stupid. There's also the whole argument of Yoko possibly being 18 due to the whole sun time thing in the show and there's also the Time Skip sequence. To make a Lolicon artwork be banned would cause many problems, also how many pedo's actually browse this site to fap too. People say they fap to it but most of it is just for a witty joke. Plus we have a Boku No Pico entry.
Maybe something similar to the 5P Content Policy on TVTropes?

also how many pedo’s actually browse this site to fap too. People say they fap to it but most of it is just for a witty joke.

We have had 49 image searches today for "loli".

Plus we have a Boku No Pico entry.

Documentation. It's not because we want shota on the site, it's because it has a strong online showing.

Maybe something similar to the 5P Content Policy on TVTropes?

On an only tangentially related note, I've liked the idea of groups with authority in certain areas, like the 5P has over lewd/pedo stuff. Not sure we have enough mods to actually pull that off well though.

Link to stuff about 5P

"We have had 49 image searches today for "loli"

I actually didn't think we would have that many. Shitposting a side though I still believe the banning of a character from a PG-13 show is stupid just because they're underage and sexualized and I feel like a system like the 5P is the only thing that could stop that happening.

Put this on because it's gonna be a long one.

Seeing as I was the one who initially reported all this absolute shit in here to Triplez – the first image I came across was posted by none other than a supposed Media Mod, you'd assume they'd be able to discern between actual images meant for internet memes etc and that of pedo porn. Instead our good friend Eye Sack (i don't give a shit about pointing fingers) posted a very very veeery obvious picture of some kid from pokemon in a swimsuit w/ a camel toe (very classy my dude).

You can go check with bob and ZZZ cus I hounded him for about an hour afterwards with a bunch of links to pictures which were loli bullshit. I mean just look at this shit:

This is the kind of content being left to fester on the site – there are plenty of users capable of using their given media powers to catch these images and remove them – and you can't possible tell me that those images are directly meme related because then you're delusional like some of the rest of these idiots (shoutout to my boi mameme and chc you're both faggots).

THOSE ARE NOT PG. THEY ARE NOT MEME RELATED. THEY ARE PART OF THESE DIPSHITS "PORN" COLLECTIONS, THEY HAVE NO REASON TO BE ON THE SITE AND THE SAME GOES FOR THE USERS INVOLVED.

I'm all good with seeing nsfw content on MEME entries such as Piccolos dose and shit. The problem is that we have users abusing their privileges in the image galleries. Stricter rules should apply – this is a memesite, not a fanart site, not a "safebooru" etc etc. – the site catalogues INTERNET MEMES and VIRAL MEDIA and last time i checked some fat bitch cartoon character in a swimsuit w/ cameltoe is not included in either of those categories.

Users such as Ms. Fortune, Gaben and CHC are the first ones that come to mind when I hear of shit content on the image galleries, they've overstayed their welcome there and are quite obviously abusing it (lol gabens gonna get me banned hehe xd) they should have their image posting privileges removed or better yet their user status (ban the fuckers).

back to the original image by our good friend Eye Sack or whatever the fuck – he should just be removed from the mod team, not reprimanded or anything lesser than that – the image has been removed by triplez but it was very evident and by it I mean the cameltoe – he saw it and he knew it was there, but he posted it regardless.

tl;dr ban these idiots, demote eyesack, meme site for actual memes not fanart and movie entries. and eglamore is bae for being on the same page.

(This was mostly supposed to posted as the second post in the thread, but I took too long)

So, one point that was brought up in mod chat which I want to point out is, "looks under aged". If they look less than twelve, but are really a legal loli who is 900 years old, then it still qualifies as lolicon, even if they are are "Legal Lolis" in source material. Same goes for older characters (say like, Lusamine who is listed on Bulbapedia as being 41+) who are drawn to look under aged.

Yuko Littner is an interesting case because she's not drawn like a loli, and Mameme does bring up a point that depending on which part of the series it's in, her and the rest of the cast are 7 years older, despite looking nearly the same. There are other characters in other things who could fit this definition of looking older than they really are and still being under aged, but this one is probably one of the more notable ones.

I'm inclined to say that characters who are made to look like adults (there are plenty of both fanart and in canon examples of both characters who are adults drawn to look young, and young characters drawn to look old) and it's obvious, then it should fall under the regular NSFW rules. However, many of the images were are talking about are already on pretty thin ice as is even without factoring in age. Either way, there are still plenty of Yuko images that I would say would still be fine even under the most extreme interpretation of rules (and yes, those include those of her standard outfit in the desert).

That having been said, you kinda undermine your post when you say this:

To make a Lolicon artwork be banned would cause many problems, also how many pedo’s actually browse this site to fap too. People say they fap to it but most of it is just for a witty joke. Plus we have a Boku No Pico entry.

If people aren't browsing the site for lolicon material, just posting "witty jokes" then removing it would have almost zero effect on the site. If they are browsing for actual lolicon stuff, then it would mean they are likely to leave, and fewer people who want this kind of material would be on the site. I'm trying to see what the problem with either of these two situations would be exactly.

Saying we have entry for "Boku No Pico" is about as valid as a claim of "We have entry for Meat Spin, Lemon Party, and Blue Waffle, therefore actual hard core porn should be on the site" Boku No Pico has an entry for it's use on the internet "Boco No Pico is a good anime, you should watch it" similar to, "Don't like the Democratic or Republican Party, go with the this new independent group, Lemon Party" or "I love eating delicious Blue Waffles for breakfast. Look for them online to see how you can enjoy Blue Waffles too."

EDIT: Meesh, please keep a respectful tone out of Riff Raff. I personally would like a large portion of those images gone too, but just calling out people and thinking users who do make actual contributions outside of just images uploads should just leave based on your opinions isn't actually going to solve anything.

Lusamine still looks at least over 18 though so she can get a pass. It's stuff like Lana from Pokemon where we're talking about.
Also on that note here's another interesting example

Sexy artwork of her should follow same old NSFW rules because she isn't 11, she has to be on the upper scale. Also there's characters who's age aren't mentioned at all but depending on the entertainment the artstyle can be very different. Take for example Lisia from Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire. In the overworld section she looks like a 10 year old thanks to her cutesy artstyle but in the official art done by Ken Sugimori she looks 16.

Banning lolicon would have to create a whole lot of complicated rules. Is getting rid of some pedophiles who may or may not have an account be worth it for the sake of making the NSFW rules more complicated?

Plus we have a Boku No Pico entry.

I already made it abundantly clear that such logic is extremely flawed i.e. the notion that "just because the site has entry X, gallery-onlys should be free to post content Y". We have an entry on it, yes. But this does not mean that copious amounts of art featuring minors in sexual scenarios should be uploaded.

We also have an entry on Piccolo Dick. But that doesn't mean that one can just post images of giant throbbing cocks all over the site.

The two things are separate concepts and separate issues, you understand?

"Sexy artwork of her should follow same old NSFW rules because she isn’t 11"

Why do we even need "Sexy artwork of her" on the site in the first place??? It's not in anyway related to an internet meme. – you just want to post softcore porn.

>complicating nsfw rules to get rid of pedos

It's not complicated to just not post this garbage on the site. If you have a problem with a website lacking your softcore loli porn – be my guest and leave.

You need to define: A) what loli actually entails. Japan's got a thing for making adult women look like they're 12. If it's "no sexualization of characters >16 years old" than what about those that look younger than they actually are? Doesn't the actual image mean more than technical definitions in the eyes of the mythical Adsense God? At the same time, banning images based on un-objective standards like "they look too young" is a terrible thing that's bound to result in endless debate and arguing.

B) you need to define "sexualization." Is blushing sexual? What about a suggestive screenshot from a G-rated program? What about clothing? Again, you have the objectivity problem. The standard NSFW "summer day" definition doesn't work too well since loli is very rarely blatant CP, but you still run into complicated issues about canon depictions of characters.

Personally, I think it's unnecessary to ban or restrict it given how complicated things get. You get very little real benefit out of banning it (other than users leaving, which seems far more like a downside given the stagnation the site already has), piss of a lot of people, add another layer to the headache of image uploading, and trigger endless debates over rules that can never really have an objective standard mods and users can look to.

I ain't a pedo though. I don't search this stuff up, it just happens on this site. Also in terms of "Should we have sexy artwork of anyone" are you a prude? Like are you complaining about NSFW rules in general or lolicon? I can't tell. Sounds like you're going "Ban NSFW art from this place completely" rather than being on-topic. It's about loli-con. Also Rule 34 exists (Mild or not) and to ban even the mild parts of it is stupid. It's not garbage to everyone you know, we'll lose a lot of shit on the site that people may like and everyone has a deep sexual fetish and wants to see soft core porn at times. Cleaning NSFW for good wouldn't do anything. People should be allowed to post what they want as long as it's not full on porn or lolicon of a obviously underaged girl.

I'm against lolicon unless it's very softcore but I can see it in two ways rather than just be a prude and say "Ban it all completely, it's garbage". Also there's the vague age thing again.
You're getting downvoted karma for a reason my friend.
TL;DR I do agree there should be standards though but not just censorship and getting rid of everything sexual. We're not 4Kids we're a meme site. I can use that argument as well you know.

yes trust the brony with the top quality image content:

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/712678-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/710583-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1154517-my-little-pony-friendship-is-magic

please take a look at the quality tags – especially that first one:

"fetish, rainbow dash, nsfw?, probably a repost, melting pony, melting fetish, pixiv's really shitty, artist:yajima, i can understand this fetish, i had to sign up to pixiv just so i could view the artist's gallery. what the fuck?"

:::mameme::: >>not even bothering to read that i want anyone that posts that garbage out of the galleries. i even said im fine with nsfw content like piccolos dick n shit – but the shit you okes post is not in the least bit related to KYM's mission goal.

Your diving into dangerous territory with this idea. There are many questions that need to be asked before going forth with this idea.

So what would be the standard used, given age or visual age? Yoko may have a given age of 14 but she looks nothing like a child and I highly doubt people who do fap to her do it for "loli" factor or that people unfamiliar with the series will look at an image of her and think "pedophilia"

Meanwhile, Lucky star characters can be 16-18 but look 10 and when sexualized, screams pedophilia, even if the given age is legal. Hell, we have an entry specifically for this loophole called "legal loli" Do half-naked characters with the body of a ten year old but a canon age of 200 get a free pass?

What about art of underaged characters "aged-up"? Do pictures of the Pokemon protagonist get through if the artist has given her an adult body? What about Mallow? Most NSFW art I see of her here gives her a body you wouldn't assume belongs to anyone under 16, does any lewd picture of her or the protag fall under loli even if they look like Yoko?

If you do decide to go the visual age route and ban based on how old the character looks opposed to how old the character is canonically, who is the judge of what counts and what doesn't? Lucky Star characters are easy but what about legitimate adult looking characters that only look young to some due to a flat chest and short stature? How do we avoid a "Australia bans porn of flat women due to looking like children" type of situation?

These are the questions you need to answer before implementing a loli ban

It's not complicated whatsoever – if it's content only related to the show and not content from the show related to the meme – then it has no business being on the site in the first place. If it's part of a well known meme then how would it at all be a problem?

You pretty much stated my thoughts on it with a much more clear way of writing it.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again. WE ARE NOT FOR KIDS. NSFW should be allowed for documentation I agree with that but it should be allowed elsewhere as well as long as it's not too strong.

This is a Family Friendly site, not a kids only site with certain adult sections. We're not G we're PG-13. Get that into your head.
Also how about a rule like this

I'm slightly getting aggrevated now, I'll take a break from this thread.

your logical fallacy is ad-hominem

Seriously, if your only response to a persons argument is to attack their image uploads, you need to vacate the thread. Seriously, we are discussing whether or not to ban lolicon, not all NSFW. Making such a radical change just because of lolis or "it's not needed" would be setting the site on fire.

haahahahha :DDDDDD

They are part of the problem – they should be called out, if you have a problem with the content, take it up with the culprits. They are part of that so why shouldn't I :^))?? Frankly as far as I see it – the problem shouldn't be a part of the solution, they are the problem and their solution is to keep the porn and put in place unneeded "complicated rules".

Why not just post shit that's related to the sites stated goal? This site states that its intent is to catalogue internet memes and viral media content – last time i checked, and i've stated this before, their fetish media is not in anyway related to that goal.

Content such as Piccolos dick which yet again, i've mentioned already – is related to a meme and tagged as such, it has a place on the site – their porn does not.

"yes trust the brony with the top quality image content:"

You are not calling anyone out, you are deflecting a persons arguments based on their image uploads, not their argument, thus not contributing to the thread topic. Even if they are pedophiles, their arguments should be heard, and if disagreed with, refuted, not kicked under the rug with a "your a pedo, your arguments don't matter" There is a reason this fallacy has a name attached to it. It's a faulty arguing tactic that aims to win the argument without addressing your opponents side of it. It doesn't add anything to the thread or help your argument, it just makes you look emotional and petty.

Again, banning all NSFW is not the topic of this thread. If you want to propose that idea, make another thread and try to convince the mods to do it while deflecting the arguments of anyone with a saucy image in their gallery, I would love to see that. At this point, continuing this discussion with you is just going to derail the thread so I would like to get back on topic.

Just because it's not related to the goal shouldn't mean it's not allowed. If the main goal is still being achieved which btw it is that doesn't mean we should ban stuff just because it's not helping.

Are you just trying to bait people and we all fell for it or are your arguments just that dumb?
I'll like to get back to the main topic now please.

????

If it's not related to the sites goal it has no reason to be on the site in the first place – do you own a harddrive? Surely you do, use it instead of wasting server space instead of wasting KYM's – I'm not sure whether or not you've hosted servers before but space is expensive and these people are wasting it.

As for >top quality content – I don't feel as if people that are part of the cause should have any part in the discussion, it's already been made obvious they're only going to be in here to defend their useless image posts. The site is made for internet memes and viral media, if you still don't understand that then I can't help you boet. If it's not related to a meme it shouldn't be on the site, if it's not related to viral media it shouldn't be on the site – this is not related to a meme and it's breaking image rules.

The title of the thread should be changed so that the problem as a whole can be discussed instead of having okes coming here nitpicking just so they can save their favourite softcore pics just because it isn't "Lolicon". Mame and Borik are nit picking for the self same reason I've stated above. Quite convenient, no?

No, the reason why it is about Lolicon is because we had a discussion about it and Rivers wants to create a discussion. Also here are the image rules just to remind yourself.
NC (Not Cool)
Images, videos, forum posts and comments that fall within any of the following criteria are strictly prohibited and will be promptly removed. When in doubt, inquire an administrator or moderator about the image or video in question to determine its status before uploading it to the site.
Pornography or nudity, including photographic, illustrated, censored and cropped instances
Gore or shock media, including photographic, illustrated, censored and cropped instances
Any content that is unwarrantedly racist, sexist and homophobic or transphobic in nature
Any content that discloses personally identifiable information of a private individual and / or minor
The spirit of the law takes priority over the letter of the law. Finding loopholes in the wording when it’s known what is meant won’t be tolerated. In case of a disagreement over the type of content, an admin or moderator can make the final call. For inquiries, refer to the KYM Forum: NSFW Guidelines.
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Images, videos, forum posts and comments that do not fall within the NC classification but are vital to the documentation and meet any of the following criteria must be properly labeled as not safe for work (NSFW) when uploading, including external links in the Notes section. Please be advised that examples cited in this section contain NSFW content.
Partial nudity, including photographic, illustrated, censored and cropped instances (ex #1 / ex #2)
Sexually explicit language, gestures and expressions (ex #1 / ex #2)
Sexually suggestive content that adheres to the common sense and the principle of “I Know It When I See It”
Obscene content of racist, sexist or homophobic nature that is absolutely essential to the documentation
Gross, fetish or shock content that does not fall within the NC criteria and stands essential to the documentation (ex)
Other miscellaneous content that is deemed inappropriate or offensive by the editor or staff administrator
Exeptions to the rules exist and there are cases where NSFW images can be upload without the tag; depending on the nature of the entry or the status of the gallery. Clarifications can be found at the KYM Forum: NSFW Guidelines.
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Images and videos that explicitly fall within the following criteria are exempt from NSFW labeling. Please be advised that any deliberate attempt at uploading NC content using the rules of SFW exemption as loopholes is a bannable offense.
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Forgot to mention but Amanda is literally portrayed as a stripper doing pole dancing. Mine is just a slightly sexier version of what she does in the movie and anime.

Also because that one was a long comment as it is these are the Media Classification rules
Alright, due to recent problems concerning the Image Galleries, we’ve decided to create a set of Guidelines for the users to follow to avoid other problems occurring again:
These Rules apply to ALL galleries
No Porn/Gore
No posting of Porn and Gore images to image galleries, unless the gallery requires such material (e.g. Oh God What Have I Done? or Daily Dose/Piccolo Dick), in which we ask that you contact a mod or admin so that we may decide the best course of action. Anything outside of these galleries must be marked as NSFW (Not Safe For Work). Image Editors who come across unmarked NSFW content are to mark the images accordingly. Consistent failure to comply will lead to suspensions and eventually bans. For more information about the site’s rules on NSFW content, please check the NSFW Guidelines.
No Spam
Spam content is forbidden within galleries, such as advertising and trollbait. Using the gallery in order to advertise your own generated content will lead to possible suspensions, whereas trollbait will lead to suspensions, with bans being enforced due to consistent failure to comply. We also ask that users report any duplicate images, so that they may be dealt with accordingly.
Meta Content
Any Meta Content directly relating to the site (Such as NSFW Thumbnail Parodies) should be uploaded to our KnowYourMeme Entry Gallery. Content containing popular in-jokes (Such as The Goat) or user parodies (Such as this) should not be uploaded to any gallery, and should be tagged with Kymtheon. Site screenshots (such as images showing image gallery view counts and trending bar arrangements) must not be uploaded under any condition, and will be deleted. Likewise, images related to the content or state of the entry (such as Marvel’s Deadpool) are unrelated to the entry and therefore will be removed.
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Nowhere does it state that NSFW content is banned, just hardcore porn. Softcore porn is okay.

It's pretty obvious that for non-documentation entries you are a prude. I highly suggest you leave this thread because you could get it locked for doing no actual fucking purpose other than to start a Flame War.

First off, regarding the image – Which meme is it related to, why is it specifically referring to said meme, how is it referring to said meme.

>>>Sexually suggestive content that adheres to the common sense and the principle of “I Know It When I See It”

now i don't know how experienced you are with the female anatomy but that's screaming somethin to me, hopefully it's screaming the same thing to you.

It's not related to any internet memes or viral media – it's softcore porn of a character from a show. It needn't be on the website.

Everyone be respectful and get back on topic. Only time I'm going to say this.

Discuss the idea of restrictions on loli content on KYM here. That is the whole purpose and theme of this thread. If you wish to discuss the larger aspects of having NSFW content on KYM that isn't necessary for documentation, please make a new thread.

@Ryumaru

Visual. That seems to be the leaning of the mod team when we brushed over the topic. We haven't really devoted much discussion that I've seen to the idea. But, it came up in public, so I figured "eh why not make a thread".

If you do decide to go the visual age route and ban based on how old the character looks opposed to how old the character is canonically, who is the judge of what counts and what doesn’t?… How do we avoid a “Australia bans porn of flat women due to looking like children” type of situation?

Well, the mods, as always. Possibly with some admin direction. If necessary, we could make it standard to go with "err on the side of leaving the image up", like I try to do.

Shall we have a PM discussing that image so this thread can be back on topic?

The thread should be expanded upon, you can't just nitpick – deal with the problem as a whole rather than stepping around certain issues as you choose. GIGO Garbage in Garbage out, why complicate things.

What difference is loli softcore to normal softcore – both have no reason being on the site, both should be dealt with as a whole. Instead you want to deal with them as if they were seperate issues. The site wouldn't have as many issues if okes would just man up and simplify the issues – If it's not related to the sites mission goal, it has no reason to be on the site. If users have a problem with that, they should start their own site with their own rules.

@Rivers The problem with "just leave it up to the mods" is everyone has subjective opinions on what counts and what doesn't, which will inevitably end with mod v. uploader arguments. I'd at least try to make some guidelines so it's clearer to the uploaders what the mods will allow.

Except child porn is way worse than normal porn. Child porn is quite frankly illegal and disgusting. Normal porn isn't and is therefore allowed. Pointless except for horny teenagers maybe but just because it's pointless doesn't mean it's instantly bad. Also it's called "What to do about Loli Art"
Not "What to do about NSFW art". Think before you type.
EDIT: Funny how your top commented image is NSFW, hypocrite.

You're trying to deflect the fact that they're both part of the same problem, frankly i don't even know what my top commented image is – the last time i ever posted images on the site was 2 years ago and it was because i was being instructed by ZZZ – frankly if it's against rules remove it idc, i only reactivated this account so i could point out the real issue. From what you've said you're only pointing out that you want softcore porn and the likes to be allowed on the site. lol.

Yet again I repeat, if it's not related to an internet meme or some form of viral media, it shouldn't be on the site – you posting your personal porn gallery doesn't fall in with that.

The mods seem quite content on only dealing with issues when they're brought up rather than nipping them in the bud – I brought up the loli porn content with triplez and bob 4 days ago, then rm mentioned it and now it's mentioned here – It's part of the greater problem, which is unrelated content and unrelated softcore content being on the site. It should be dealt with as a whole, rather than leaving it for another day.

As for the fact that the mods have quite conveniently glanced over the fact that one of their own MEDIA MODS posted obvious NC content – ey I can't do much in that regard but you okes outta sort it out or that's some piss poor work on top of the already piss poor gallery work.

Alright this is becoming a blatant circle jerk. Let's talk about the problems with lolicon and what kind of guidelines that need to be set up. I'll be asleep now anyway as where I live it's almost midnight.

I'm just going to peek my head in and voice my support for allowing mods discretion at removing sexually suggestive art if it meets the following criteria:

1. The sexualized character appear to be pre-pubescent (Yoko is safe, Lucky Star is not).
2. The sexualization is not relevant to the documentation (Boku no Pico remains).

I'd be fine with it if the loli in question was just moved to the Lolicon/Legal Loli galleries; it fits documentation, and the people who like Lolis will go there. Most new Loli art is in Pokemon Sun and Moon, and--yeah, it's fanart and it fits the entry, but I go there to view Sun and Moon content/memes, not for lolicon. And it's what strikes me as odd, because that's what gets the most views and votes, NSFW Pokemon loli. There would be some separation if we moved the loli art to the Lolicon gallery where it belongs. And some people "forget" to add the NSFW filter.

Basically my stance is "okay, but do it over there". I don't like the idea of forbidding art from being uploaded. They can just view it in a gallery that's more specific to that genre.

Since the tread is largely a mess, with the majority of the posts in it not actually having much discussion about the topic, we're going to try this again over here