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Are you telling me we might possibly have the Grass/Fire type I've been waiting for so long?
That would be the most absolutely brutal sun sweeper we've ever seen if it has even decent Sp. Atk. Sun-boosted STAB Flamethrower/Fire Blast and instant STAB Solarbeam gets it neutral coverage against anything but Fire and Dragon, and extremely high damage to back it up. That typing also give it potential for inflicting burn, along with the other Grass-type status shenanigans like Grasswhistle and Worry Seed to cancel abilities. And if it gets Solar Power or Chlorophyll too… oh lawd.

It would be truly amazing, wouldn't it?

So who's going to make me a Team Mystic hat for me to wear around?

Pokemon GO says my Android isn't compatible, but I have a 5.1, a gyroscope, and GPS, what's the deal? :(

Pop your battery out, I have an S5 and it didn't work even after I restarted a couple times.

Star your fav pkmn you've caught so far and then sort them by favorite and post a pic. It will list the rest of them by CP. oh and explain nicknames if you nickname them.

I love nicking my pkmn. Larimar, or Stefilia's stone, one of my fav minerals. Dolore is the ablative form of dolor which is Latin for sorrow/grief so it means "from sorrow". Byxmo, from Bombyx mori. And Thelxe, from the Greek siren Thelxepeia meaning 'soothing words'.

Also now a new trailer. Shows some footage along with what appear to be a whole lot of Jojo poses to trigger the rumoured "synchro move" mechanic.

Looks as if no new Eevee forms. Pokémon Amie appears to be back though!

Also riding shows Lapras, Sharpedo and Tauros as well.

The backgrounds continue to look really nice.

Also looks as if hats will be removable; yay?

Pokémon Amie appears to be back though!

ゴゴゴ

Nothing I think.
It doesn't affect gameplay.
You can defend and train at your team's gyms.
I'm Valor too but the game doesn't work here.

Why do pokemon keep appearing in my bathroom ._.

Well this is now happening. Says that nothing's set in stone though.

Protip: Don't bother with Pokemon Go if you live in the arsehole of fucking nowhere. There is NOTHING here. No stops, no gyms, NOTHING.

Ehh I have woods and a pond/lake registered on the GPS, so I can still get some goodies. Just be careful you don't make too little noise walking in the woods, lest hunters think you're a deer.

dangit googel

It's out in the Netherlands officially now (although literally everyone already had it).

How's the rest of Europe doing?

Not that great in my case. My phone decides not to check which area i'm in.

I read that they got hacked idk.

I WANT ALL THE BOUNSWEETS
GIVE ME
ALL
OF
THEM

Bewear is bigger than i expected.

First of all, HELL YES: Hyper Training might allow Lv100s to improve their IVs

Lots of new abilities and cutemons here, I really like!

Wimpod is Bug/Water, hope it stays this way if it evolves since currently only Surskit also has this typing and loses it on evolution. Wimp Out is interesting because although the trailer shows it running away, the site says it can use it to switch as well. Maybe this will be based on whether facing a trainer or a wild mon.

Bounsweet is pure Grass and is teh cutes. Hopefully it stays cute when evolving. Not much else to say, seems like a fairly standard Grass type.

Comfey is pure Fairy and very cute. Again, flowers on a non-Grass so we could be looking at a neo-Florges of sorts. What's interesting is the new ability Triage which _gives priority to the user's healing moves*. Awesome.

Mudsdale has a funny name and is a pure Ground. It has the useful-in-game-but-not-much-online Own Tempo, or new ability Stamina, which raises its defence when it takes damage. The trailer makes it clear that this thing will be pretty bulky. It's pretty big at 8' 02" so I reckon fully-evolved or non-evolving.

Kiteruguma is now known as Bewear, which is kind of funny. The Fluffy ability makes it take half damage from contact moves but also gives it a Fire weakness (so that's how they make up for the awesome typing).

Mimikyu loses a K but essentially has the same name. Disguise allows it to nullify the first attack it takes in a battle, which is awesome.

Too late to edit previous post

Further looking at the trailer shows two trivial but interesting things:

1) Trainer IDs will be 6 digits instead of 5 now. This will probably affect things like secret ID and shiny breeding.

2) You know how "Gen VI natives" had the little blue pentagon? Gen VII natives will have a black plus thing instead, it seems, judging by the Pikachu profile in the trailer.

Edit: Also something I've been doing as of late is going through the videos and calculating the Base Stats we've seen so far. Need to do that with this video, I might post the results here, seeing how I have found some interesting results.

Lucario in Gen IV, Darmanitan and Zoroark in Gen V, and Noivern in Gen VI were all revealed a long time before their unevolved forms, just saying. I think it's equally likely that the horsie is a standalone, but that isn't to say there's no precedent for the other scenario.

Perhaps a dumb question, but how do you close the Pokemon GO app? I try it with the 'back' button on my Android, but it doesn't work. All I have for now is to press the 'activated apps' button and forcefully close it. Or do I have to sign out and then forcefully close it?

Perhaps a dumb question, but how do you close the Pokemon GO app? I try it with the 'back' button on my Android, but it doesn't work. All I have for now is to press the 'activated apps' button and forcefully close it. Or do I have to sign out and then forcefully close it?

Go to options, then press exit

I looked for it at Settings in the 'Pokéball menu' (can't find Options), but the closest I get is a Sign Out button. I can't find any other button that may look like that.

I'd just like to post a few things I found regarding the new mon.

First: Mudsdale is fucking heavy. It weighs 920 kg, making it the fourth heaviest Pokemon yet known, only outclassed by Mega Metagross, and Groudon/Primal Groudon. Not counting form changes, it's the second heaviest Pokemon. Bulk, thy name is Mudsdale.

Second: Wimpod is based off of Giant Isopods, native to Hawaii, which can actually get as big as Wimpod is.

Also, those stat calculations I did up

Okay, may just be skimming… But here's a thought I'm not sure if its occurred to anyone… With this new Hyper Training, this will allow something normally impossible under normal circumstances.

Getting a Legendary with Maxed out IVs.

Heck, its already difficult enough to get a Legendary with the "right" maxed out IVs it comes with. So this will be a great boon for those wanting to play Uber Tiers and aren't absolute obsessive compulsive players.

Also I can't help but want to compare this to DBZ's take on strength, as much as everyone assumes its only Saiyans that it works for, its pretty much a case of "as long as you keep training, you can push yourself beyond the limits you were born with".

The only difference between this and that is…Despite this meaning that Pokémon can surpass their Personal Limits, there are still Absolute Limits. Because, I don't think IVs or EVs are going to go beyond the limits established for them any time soon.

I also want to say "YAY!" because I have little patience for breeding. When you've caught all the Pokemon, Wonder Trading the rejects isn't very satisfying.

@Luna I didn't think about that, now you only have to soft reset for nature.

Also a few corrections on my earlier post, I didn't read that Triage puts healing moves on the highest prioroty, not just one higher, so it isn't a lighter version of Prankster. That could make it a very useful healer if it gets Healing Pulse. With enough bulk investment, it could pull off a very effective Toxic stall, as sweepers can't just KO it before it heals. It looks frail, but so did Klefki (although Klefki has God-tier typing to thank)

This image made me mad and made me think a lot about Hyper Training

I was giving Verlisfy a chance, I know he's not particularly liked in the Pokemon community, but I didn't understand why, but then this video came out and now he's lost me. I don't understand how a guy whose entire channel is devoted to helping people with competitive Pokemon can dislike a feature meant to do that. And his logic is stupid. "They made getting perfect IVs easier so more people will hack because they can get away with it" Excuse me, what? People hacked perfect IVs because doing it legit was so time consuming, and they got away with it because there was no way to tell who did it legit and who injected.

It takes me an hour to get a 5IV pokemon now, because I found a guy trading cloned 6 IV dittos and I collected and armada of dittos with all the useful natures and I have a 0 Speed IV pokemon to breed as well. I am set up to get whatever pokemon I like, because I usually breed mon while watching Youtube or listening to podcasts. I also only level them up to level 50 because it's easier. So unless I'm doing it for a shiny I bred (I got like four still that I didn't trade away) or a legendary, I have little incentive to use this feature.

However, I used to be that guy who loved Pokemon but never got into the meta scene at all just because of how alienating IV breeding was. If I didn't get that 6IV ditto and have a bunch of free time, I still wouldn't have actually bothered, and I fucking LOVE Pokemon. This feature is a great compromise between those who already spent the time IV breeding and used 0 IVs, and those who are just alienated from the meta scene by IVs and stop playing pokemon after the story because they don't have the time or the ditto armada to breed perfect IVs.

So it makes no sense to me why anyone who loves Pokemon and wants it last and flourish to decry this feature as it only helps those who were too alienated actually enter the meta now. It doesn't "make competitive easier, thus ruining it" it just makes it more accessible and less of a tedious nightmare. And hackers will always hack the game if it is easier to do so, so making perfect IVs easier to obtain will only, can only, make people less likely to hack their perfect mon.

I actually want to know, is there anyone in this thread that has not entered the meta game, or at least, not bred for perfect IVs who will actually do so in SM now that Hyper Training is a thing?

I don't think he's mad because it makes competitive battling more accessible, it's because it makes competitive battling more accessible by making it incredibly easy to breed/train that perfect PKMN now, which actually makes the competitive scene more bland. What took a good understanding of the game's mechanics, special items, and breeding now takes a mini-game. You had to put in that effort to climb to the top on wifi, not everybody had a 6IV, perfect EV spread, perfect moveset with egg bred moves Charizard. Now everybody can have that perfect Charizard really easily.

Wifi will be 6IV perfect PKMN vs 6IV perfect PKMN. What now distinguishes PKMN from each other when battling? It will come down to luck based on the RNG when two of the exact same PKMN with the exact same perfect Speed IV come up against each other. But hey, you know, everybody can participate now, so we can all spin the RNG wheel of fortune together~

Bike simulator is not effort. Bike simulator is not skill. Bike simulator is not understanding the games mechanics. Bike simulator is not challenge. Bike Simulator is not a skill gate. Bike simulator is not a passion gate. Bike simulator is just rewarding whoever has the most free time on their hands. You still need to understand the game and how it works in order to win, but now people have the chance to play on an even playing field. This feature does not affect items, does not affect egg moves, does not affect EVs, it just makes it so people who don't have dozens of hours to play Bike simulator now aren't locked out of the meta.

Wifi will be 6IV perfect PKMN vs 6IV perfect PKMN.

Lisa, it's been that for over a decade now, it's just now people who don't have hours to spend playing Bike simulator can still play without getting destroyed because their Pokemon lost the RNG. You complain about RNG, but what is more RNG than the match being decided by randomly determined stats and not the skill of the player? A strategy game is not good unless everyone is on the same playing field. If people are seriously putting the same pokemon against each other, or staying in on the same speed tier and dice rolling, they aren't playing the game right.

And there is still the effort of getting the right egg moves, nature and ability on a pokemon, properly EV training them, and then leveling them up to level 100, then do whatever you have to do to get bottlecaps.

IVs have been a wedge splitting and, to be frank, hurting the Pokemon community for a while now. This feature is the best compromise I can think of, allowing players who actually play the same and level their mon to 100 to actually stand on the same playing field as others, and allow the games to be determined by team building, planning and skill rather than the genetics of the pokemon you have.

If you think the ability to have fun battling online needs to be locked behind a wall of tedious tasks only the uber crazy fans, or hackers, bother to cross, then you are an elitist, and elitists are always the poison that kills communities and the games they believe belongs to them and not everybody.

Getting on your bike and riding around in a circle is not the only thing you have to do to breed perfect PKMN. You have to understand how the Destiny Knot and Everstone work and chain breed using them, you have to breed certain PKMN with other species to obtain egg moves that PKMN wouldn't normally have, you then had to actually play the game and train against PKMN in the wild to get your EVs right but they nerfed that too.

{ it’s been that for over a decade now }

It's been that way between people who achieved the max they could achieve through the research and effort required to reach that point. You had to strive to get there. It was an accomplishment. It is now widely seen as too much of an inconvenience for people who want to play at that level but don't want to put in the effort to do so.

If shortcuts are nbd and don't matter, why did they remove shiny IDs? Now the only people who can have shinies are those who can afford to put in hours and hours and hours and hours as a slave to the RNG and it's sooooooo unfair!

I wouldn't bother breeding if it took six hours, it's never been easier and it only continues to get even more mindless. You can put 1000+ hours into every other game you play on Steam, but god fucking forbid you have to grind a few hours in a PKMN game.

This argument is honestly crap. Like why do you even play games at all then? Why do we even have to collect 8 gym badges before we get to the E4? Who the fuck has time to walk all over a region and get their PKMN up to scratch to beat the Champion besides obsessed losers? For that matter, why do we start at level 1 in RPGs, clearly the only people who have time to get to lvl 100 are those uber nerds with no lives. & how about Mario Kart, huh? They think everybody has time to waste getting 3 stars against those cheating ass computers who always seem to have a red shell right before the goal line just to unlock all the characters and kart parts? I BOUGHT THE GAME, what more do you want from me?!

You can put 1000+ hours into every other game you play on Steam, but god fucking forbid you have to grind a few hours in a PKMN game.

Fun fact, people are more willing to spend time actually doing something fun than hitting two directions on a control pad every 15 seconds for hours on end until RNGsus decides to bless them.

Also, literally everyone on the highest tiers uses hacked perfect 'mon anyway.

Like why do you even play games at all then? Why do we even have to collect 8 gym badges before we get to the E4? Who the fuck has time to walk all over a region and get their PKMN up to scratch to beat the Champion besides obsessed losers? For that matter, why do we start at level 1 in RPGs, clearly the only people who have time to get to lvl 100 are those uber nerds with no lives. & how about Mario Kart, huh? They think everybody has time to waste getting 3 stars against those cheating ass computers who always seem to have a red shell right before the goal line just to unlock all the characters and kart parts? I BOUGHT THE GAME, what more do you want from me?!

Lombs chill mate haha XD This is slippery slope right here.

Nothing wrong with this change at all. It's still quite grindy because you can only improve the IVs at Lv100, so you still have to spend time. The only difference is the luck element seems to have largely gone, so it's just a change from "given enough time, I might be able to breed a 5IV mon" to "given enough time, I will get a 5IV mon".

"Time = guaranteed return" is an overall better & more rewarding game experience than "Time + Luck = possible return". But investment is still required.

I think it's a great compromise between the people who wanted IVs outright gone and those who wanted them to stay.

Wow, I missed that fun conversation on IVs. Oddly enough (not really,) I agree that breeding is easier now. But the biggest thing that determines skill is what you team you choose and your ability to execute your repertoire at the right time based on your opponent.

Breeding correctly is simply a matter of learning it. Once you know that an Everstone passes the Nature of the Pokémon parent holding it to the child, a Destiny Knot passes 5 of the 12 IVs to the child, that Egg Moves are passed down in a certain order, it takes no skill to breed. It's simply knowing and doing.

Skill comes in making a team that can beat a large (although still tier-based) variety of other teams more often than not, and being smart enough to get a lot of different situations and be able to handle them with your team.

Breeding isn't a skill. No one who is competitive is better at breeding than anyone else. But if you don't have the IVs, you're boned.

So it's ultimately good that the mechanics of getting IVs, Natures, moves, and Abilities have gotten easier and more efficient. The skill will show up in who you have in your party and how well you battle.

Not because you have the time to breed.

Not why I posted though:

Look at how regal Blanche is.

Look at how powerful Candela is.

Look at how much glue Spark has probably eaten as a child.

Also, quick note, it has been confirmed that the next batch of SM info will be on the site August 1st at 9:00 am EDT. Seems like they are doing a "First of the month, and little after Corocoro" schedule when releasing info.

New trailer:

I WANT THAT FUCKING VULPIX SO BAD
also solar blade is some anime level shit

ALSO

WE JOJO NOW, LADS

Copying my "Info Summary" comment from the Reddit megathread:

https://youtu.be/Iaav6J6XzFs Japanese trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZHowhxM0U English trailer

- "Z moves" and "Alola Forms" which seem to be "regional variations" of some sort.
- Exeggutor has an Alola form, changes to Grass/Dragon and has a much longer neck.
- Vulpix and Ninetales have Alola forms. Vulpix is Ice and Ninetales is Ice/Fairy. Both have Snow Cloak as their ability. They are very beautiful, wow!
- Sandshrew and Sandslash have Alola forms becoming Ice/Steel and again with Snow Cloak. Hail getting buffed?

New Pokémon

- Oricorio is a bird with regional variations. This confirms a recent leak that talked about this. Baile Style is Fire/Flying, Pom-Pom Style is Electric/Flying, Pa'u Style is Psychic/Flying, Sensu Style is Ghost/Flying. They resemble various kinds of dancer. They all have different cries, nice! Revelation Dance is a move that "matches Oricorio's type" (the non-Flying one it seems). Its Ability "Dancer" automatically copies any dance move such as Quiver Dance or Swords Dance when an opponent uses one.
- Minior, a Rock/Flying type with the ability "Shields Down" where the rock armour breaks off when it's attacked. It has different cores inside, but no elaboration on what they do. It is observed using what appears to be Power Gem.
- Yungoos' evolution revealed to be Gumshoos (Gum Shoes??), a Normal-type with Stakeout or Strong Jaw. Looks even more like Trump tbh!
- Fomantis, a Grass-type with Leaf Guard, which evolves into Lurantis, with same type and ability. Lots of "Weather Protection" type abilities cropping up this time. Lurantis can learn the new move "Solar Blade", which looks like Solar Beam … but a blade version! They look quite nice.
- Mudsdale has a pre-evolution! Mudbray, Ground-type, with Own Tempo or Stamina like its grown-up form.

Ride Pokémon

Well this feature has been hinted at in previous trailers and looks pretty cool. You can ride Tauros, Mudsdale, Sharpedo, or FLY ON FRIGGIN CHARIZARD. This looks like it might well be replacing HMs but that is unconfirmed. The Japanese trailer also shows Lapras and Stoutland as rideable.

Island Challenge

The dialogue shown by Kukui suggests that this is what exists in Alola rather than a Pokémon League. You're still aiming to be the strongest trainer though. The trailer describes it as a "rite of passage". Again this seems to confirm a recent leak which said there would not be a league or gym leaders because there are instead "Trial Captains":

- Mallow, a girl who specialises in Grass-type in some place called the "Lush Jungle"
- Lana, who specialises in Water-type. Gender ambiguous? Might be a boy? IDK. Lana is a female name though from what I know.
- Sophocles, a boy who specialises in Electric-type.
- Kiawe, a man who specialises in Fire-type.

The "Totem Pokémon" await at the end of each trial. "Totem Gumshoos" is a thing. Not clear if it's actually different from a regular Gumshoos. It has a weird aura, and it … acts like a trainer as well as a Pokémon. As in, it sends other Pokémon to battle you as well. Looks like some kind of handicap match in the trailer. The Japanese trailer shows that there is also a Totem Lurantis.

Once you've cleared an island's trial you can battle the island's "Kahuna" which appears to be like the elder. The old guy from previous trailers, Hala, is Melemele's Kahuna.

"Z-Moves"

This appears to be the "Synchro move" thing from last time. ONLY USABLE ONCE PER BATTLE. Pikachu uses a Z-Move called "Gigavolt Havoc" (Wow). There's one for every type, so it seems that Gigavolt Havoc will be a general "Electric-type Z-Move".

- Gigavolt Havoc (Electric)
- Bloom Doom (Grass)
- Inferno Overdrive (Fire)
- Hydro Vortex (Water)

And that is the mammoth bombshell from the trailers. Wew lad!

I am really very excited for this now. I want a Ninetales. Will it still be evolved via Fire Stone? How do I get it? Can you change between them? So many questions that I have?

Also this is a cool way to update some old mons and give a feeling of regional differences. I love it.

New Exeggutor form scares living shit out of me. Other two new forms are good.
I prefer the sandslash one.

Onto the new pokes. My fave of them all is Lurantis. It looks so cute and appealing to me. Oricorio's looks interesting. Not sure if I like Minior. It looks too simplistic.

Also holy shit Gumshoos couldn't be more Donald Trump like even if it tried not to.
I like the dunkey pokemon. Also holy shit you can ride pokemon for longer time and it's much more diverse.

Holy shit there so much new things. I love it.

The website has bios on all the new "Trial Captains". The Fire-type guy Kiawe is said to have a close relationship with his Marowak. Could be the case that while it hasn't been revealed, Marowak might have a Fire-type Alola form.

almost spit all over my screen, Gumshoos has to be intentional.

I especially appreciate the ecology going on in this game, it makes sense for a bunch of fire pkmn living on a volcano to adapt to snow when it goes dormant. It makes sense for a bird adapted to each island to have a unique dance or display. This is starting to give me a new fav gen vibe.

I wasn't so keen on the new Pokemon game before, because it seemed so repetitive to the others (also i cant find my 3ds rofl), but this trailer actually convinced me of the hype a little bit more.

Also thank you based Exeggutor.

Damn, I was gonna give a break down but looks like I was beat to the punch.

It does seem like Alola will be radically different from other regions in more ways than landscape. Something other than the gym challenge certainly is a welcome change, and those ride pokemon could spell the end of HMs (but to be honest, I still want my surfing ability)

Minior is like an alien and I love it. It has an ability like Zen Mode, only in a useful order.

Looks like Mudsdale is a evolution after all. Donkey is a little wonky though.

Oricorio looks to be a shit-mon battle wise if it only has one move. Even if that thing has 150 BP and a killer side effect, one move on a mon spells PU tier. neat concept though, and maybe it evolves into something that learns other moves? Could it be like Wormadon in that it locks into a form upon evolution?

Lurantis not being part bug is both a blessing and a bit weird. Seems like it's niche is a physical Solar Beam, which will probably be given to other mon in a gen anyway.

I guess the Alolan forms are what they meant by "Galapagos Island" feel. Exeggutor looks so bad it's kind of endearing, 35 foot long neck, holy hell. Sandslash being part steel means that it isn't completely shit on by it's Ice typing, seeing how Ice is the shittest type defensively and not something you want on a slow physical defensive mon like Sandslash.

Alolan Ninetales is amazing, Ice Kitsune! It also gets fairy type (I guess GF realizes how shit Ice type is and gave the Alolan forms beast defensive types to not make them shit) Ninetales being a fast attacker though means it's typing won't hurt it that much, and hears to hoping its HA will be Snow Warning so I don't have to rely on two of the worst typings for my snow team (as much as I love Aurorus)

Damn, I did a fucking break down anyway, oh well…