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![File: Capture png (178 KB, 368x299) O Anonymous 01/02/16(Sat)22:39:49 No.322422040 » Top Smash 4 player Esam released a vid today explaining how the Smash community has gotten more toxic lately. A lot of people bullied for stupid things like their character choice even, a la DaBuz for playing Rosa. So much so that some players are actually quitting because of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v-AuPJ_ApYooQ [Embed] Thoughts? Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)00:59:52 No.322436617322437141 Toxicity is good, especially in a fighting game. It's another flame in the crucible that separates the wheat from the chaff and ensures that only those who can succeed while weathering the abuse stick around, which ensures a strong community We don't do that and a game starts to suffer from hand-holding and casualization, which is the last thing you want. Especially in fighting games, which are the endpoint that all gamers should aspire to reach if they're even remotely serious about true skill-based play Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:04:58 No. 322437141 2> RTS is the real endpoint though Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:21:46 No.322438779 322439457 2> Point is that getting to eSports is the entire point of gaming and these communities didn't grow to their current prestige by people being nice Toxicity acts as a filter to help wash out the weaker elements so that only worthwhile players remain. We're not going to find out who actually is truly the best by coddling people. You need to EARN your way in to gaming, and for the best results we make that process as stringent as possible Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:29:06 No.322439457322440071 2> how can you honestly think that the best way to see who is 'truly the best' involves alienating people? you would want to be as inclusive as possible Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:34:50 No. 322440071- 322440468 322439457 Alienating? It's no different from losing in a tournament and falling off the bracket. You didn't make it and dropped out of the running eSports ARE inclusive. We welcome everyone, but we also subject them all to the same scrutiny. Those that are actually serious will endure and new blood will always come to replace the losers. That's been proven time and time again Someone get their feelings hurt? That's just the nature of the ring, son. If that turns you into a quitter, there's two more willing competitors ready to take your place Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:38:28 No.322440468322441327 >322440071 how can you say esports are welcoming when we do s--- like this? Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:47:00 No.322441327322441742 2> Just another criteria you're judged by. If it didn't work, eSports wouldn't be bigger than ever and still growing. Look at MOBAs. Some of the most viciously toxic communities in the entire eSpots scene and yet Dota 2 is the most-played game on Steam and the International is one of the biggest gaming events of the year The community set its standards that much higher with its toxicity, so that the players who made it are those who endured an even greater challenge than otherwise and are therefore that much more a cut above the rest. You say you don't understand how this could be a good way to see who is truly the best. But really, it's actually that much more exacting than if we were to play nice Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:51:22 No.322441742322442882 >>322441 you cant honestly say that the toxicity is what makes games like LoL or Dota popular esports, such a thing would be nearly impossible to prove Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:02:57 No.322442882322442989 2> What MADE them popular is the wrong question to ask. It's a naturally-forming curation process that produces better players, which means better top-tier matches, which make the games more popular. And yes, part of the popularity is the dream of making it through that gauntlet and emerging on the world stage yourself Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:04:16 No.322442989 322443637 2> how does it make better players? Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:11:20 No.322443637322444426 >322442989 Come on, we've been over this. It's because they've been subjected to a greater challenge and emerged better for it. Plus, it simply results in better players on average because it weeds out weak-willed players and therefore less of them are there to drag down the rankings Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:20:08 No.322444426 322445051 >>322443 we have been over this but you still haven't explained why you feel that this will make someone better at a videogame just because you keep saying it, doesnt make it true Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:27:31 No.322445051 2> Better at the game alone, specifically speaking, isn't what I was getting at. And it won't, not directly. But for serious gamers who have the right competitive mindset, it acts as an extra motivation for them to improve at all costs, more than they otherwise would have And it'll keep those with less drive out of the scene, which means everyone's focus can remain on the best players. The players on improving to beat each other and the spectators on the competitors that matter. The losers are just a distraction](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/001/060/573/f6a.png)
![File: Capture png (178 KB, 368x299) O Anonymous 01/02/16(Sat)22:39:49 No.322422040 » Top Smash 4 player Esam released a vid today explaining how the Smash community has gotten more toxic lately. A lot of people bullied for stupid things like their character choice even, a la DaBuz for playing Rosa. So much so that some players are actually quitting because of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v-AuPJ_ApYooQ [Embed] Thoughts? Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)00:59:52 No.322436617322437141 Toxicity is good, especially in a fighting game. It's another flame in the crucible that separates the wheat from the chaff and ensures that only those who can succeed while weathering the abuse stick around, which ensures a strong community We don't do that and a game starts to suffer from hand-holding and casualization, which is the last thing you want. Especially in fighting games, which are the endpoint that all gamers should aspire to reach if they're even remotely serious about true skill-based play Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:04:58 No. 322437141 2> RTS is the real endpoint though Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:21:46 No.322438779 322439457 2> Point is that getting to eSports is the entire point of gaming and these communities didn't grow to their current prestige by people being nice Toxicity acts as a filter to help wash out the weaker elements so that only worthwhile players remain. We're not going to find out who actually is truly the best by coddling people. You need to EARN your way in to gaming, and for the best results we make that process as stringent as possible Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:29:06 No.322439457322440071 2> how can you honestly think that the best way to see who is 'truly the best' involves alienating people? you would want to be as inclusive as possible Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:34:50 No. 322440071- 322440468 322439457 Alienating? It's no different from losing in a tournament and falling off the bracket. You didn't make it and dropped out of the running eSports ARE inclusive. We welcome everyone, but we also subject them all to the same scrutiny. Those that are actually serious will endure and new blood will always come to replace the losers. That's been proven time and time again Someone get their feelings hurt? That's just the nature of the ring, son. If that turns you into a quitter, there's two more willing competitors ready to take your place Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:38:28 No.322440468322441327 >322440071 how can you say esports are welcoming when we do s--- like this? Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:47:00 No.322441327322441742 2> Just another criteria you're judged by. If it didn't work, eSports wouldn't be bigger than ever and still growing. Look at MOBAs. Some of the most viciously toxic communities in the entire eSpots scene and yet Dota 2 is the most-played game on Steam and the International is one of the biggest gaming events of the year The community set its standards that much higher with its toxicity, so that the players who made it are those who endured an even greater challenge than otherwise and are therefore that much more a cut above the rest. You say you don't understand how this could be a good way to see who is truly the best. But really, it's actually that much more exacting than if we were to play nice Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)01:51:22 No.322441742322442882 >>322441 you cant honestly say that the toxicity is what makes games like LoL or Dota popular esports, such a thing would be nearly impossible to prove Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:02:57 No.322442882322442989 2> What MADE them popular is the wrong question to ask. It's a naturally-forming curation process that produces better players, which means better top-tier matches, which make the games more popular. And yes, part of the popularity is the dream of making it through that gauntlet and emerging on the world stage yourself Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:04:16 No.322442989 322443637 2> how does it make better players? Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:11:20 No.322443637322444426 >322442989 Come on, we've been over this. It's because they've been subjected to a greater challenge and emerged better for it. Plus, it simply results in better players on average because it weeds out weak-willed players and therefore less of them are there to drag down the rankings Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:20:08 No.322444426 322445051 >>322443 we have been over this but you still haven't explained why you feel that this will make someone better at a videogame just because you keep saying it, doesnt make it true Anonymous 01/03/16(Sun)02:27:31 No.322445051 2> Better at the game alone, specifically speaking, isn't what I was getting at. And it won't, not directly. But for serious gamers who have the right competitive mindset, it acts as an extra motivation for them to improve at all costs, more than they otherwise would have And it'll keep those with less drive out of the scene, which means everyone's focus can remain on the best players. The players on improving to beat each other and the spectators on the competitors that matter. The losers are just a distraction](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/060/573/f6a.png)
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