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Salamencite is now banned to Ubers Discussion in OverUsed started by Haunter, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:43 AM Thread Status: Not open for further replies After a month of testing, taking into account both our personal experience as players and the community input from this thread, the OU Council has unanimously decided that Mega Salamence should be immediately placed in Ubers The ORAS OU ladder and, starting from last week, the Standard OU ladder on Pokémon Showdown have led us to believe that Mega Salamence is simply too much for the OU tier and that its presence is actually hindering the development of the ORAS metagame Mega Salamence's unhealthy presence in the metagame can be summed up in 3 points Haunter 100% avocado 1) Incredible physical bulk By sheer stats, Mega Salamence is one of the sturdiest offensive Pokémon in the game. 95 130 90 defenses are exceptional for a sweeper and give Mega Salamence the possiblity to set up with impunity on a plethora of defensive anc offensive Pokémon. Combine this with Intimidate and the fact that people often opt to invest in a lot of bulk (as Salamence does not need significant Attack investment to sweep against offense at +1) and it becomes immediately clear that both killing M-Salamence on the turn it comes in and revenge killing it after it has fainted an opposing Pokémc is no easy feat. In fact, Mega Salamence's physical defense is comparable to that of Skarmory or a sweeper i netment to n and revenge le to that of Ska fat Defensive damage calculations said: 252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 260-308 (78.3-92.7%) 252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 270-328 (81.3-98.7%) 252 + Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 187-222 (56.3-66.8%) 252 + Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 192-229 (57.8-68.9%) -1 252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 210-248 (63.2-74.6%) 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 265-312 (79.8-93.9%) 252 + Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 118-139 (35.5-41.8%) As the above damage calculations prove, taking down M-Salamence is incredibly hard, even if it opts to not invest in bull 2) Stupidly powerful offensive presence Mega Salamence receives a significant boost in both its offensive stats and Speed. With 145 120 offenses combined with Aerilate, 120 base Speed and an extremely large movepool, Mega Salamence is one of the most unpredictable and hard hitting sweepers in the game. No Pokémon outside of Eviolite Porygon-2 can safely switch into Mega Salamence A few damage calculations will show how easy it is for Mega Salamence to p/wallbreak against the OU me t Offensive damage calculations said: 2 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 159-187 (45.1-53.1%) 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 283-334 (71.1-83.9%) 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 248 HP/ 116 Def Mega Scizor: 160-190 (46.6-55.3%) 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew : 237-279 (58.6-6996) Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 0 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 0 Atk Salamence Def Mega Charizard X Def Mega Gyarados SpA Salamence Fire Blast vs. SpD Skarmory: Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. Def Hippowdon its mo i st comm oost Dra Dance/ Re stance, Me Dr Roos mence ca f that, Me Dr Rotom. On mence ca ets atta atta atta Dr iable. While they are not equally as effective as the most common set, offensive OU pow is means that there is no surefire counter to Me alamence, While th me can be sai e same combina offe sa Salamenc the Ove wor the above two par mence, Th and niche counters rs order to deal with the threat that Mega Salamence represents. On top of that, none of these Pokémon are exactly viable on offensive teams, meaning that said teams are either forced to run gimmicks such as Choice Scarf Greninja in order to kill Mega Salamenc 4th Gener Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame little effort notice how Mega Salamence perfectly fits t Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set substantially easier for other pokemon situation in which it ma handl so ca above, the OU Council has Ubers with imm Haunter, Nov 28 Swagodile, PowerStyler, GiraGoomy and 226 others like this

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Salamencite is now banned to Ubers Discussion in OverUsed started by Haunter, Nov 28, 2014 at 11:43 AM Thread Status: Not open for further replies After a month of testing, taking into account both our personal experience as players and the community input from this thread, the OU Council has unanimously decided that Mega Salamence should be immediately placed in Ubers The ORAS OU ladder and, starting from last week, the Standard OU ladder on Pokémon Showdown have led us to believe that Mega Salamence is simply too much for the OU tier and that its presence is actually hindering the development of the ORAS metagame Mega Salamence's unhealthy presence in the metagame can be summed up in 3 points Haunter 100% avocado 1) Incredible physical bulk By sheer stats, Mega Salamence is one of the sturdiest offensive Pokémon in the game. 95 130 90 defenses are exceptional for a sweeper and give Mega Salamence the possiblity to set up with impunity on a plethora of defensive anc offensive Pokémon. Combine this with Intimidate and the fact that people often opt to invest in a lot of bulk (as Salamence does not need significant Attack investment to sweep against offense at +1) and it becomes immediately clear that both killing M-Salamence on the turn it comes in and revenge killing it after it has fainted an opposing Pokémc is no easy feat. In fact, Mega Salamence's physical defense is comparable to that of Skarmory or a sweeper i netment to n and revenge le to that of Ska fat Defensive damage calculations said: 252 Atk Terrakion Stone Edge vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 260-308 (78.3-92.7%) 252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 270-328 (81.3-98.7%) 252 + Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 187-222 (56.3-66.8%) 252 + Atk Life Orb Mold Breaker Excadrill Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 192-229 (57.8-68.9%) -1 252 Atk Garchomp Outrage vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 210-248 (63.2-74.6%) 252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence : 265-312 (79.8-93.9%) 252 + Atk Choice Band Dragonite Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 118-139 (35.5-41.8%) As the above damage calculations prove, taking down M-Salamence is incredibly hard, even if it opts to not invest in bull 2) Stupidly powerful offensive presence Mega Salamence receives a significant boost in both its offensive stats and Speed. With 145 120 offenses combined with Aerilate, 120 base Speed and an extremely large movepool, Mega Salamence is one of the most unpredictable and hard hitting sweepers in the game. No Pokémon outside of Eviolite Porygon-2 can safely switch into Mega Salamence A few damage calculations will show how easy it is for Mega Salamence to p/wallbreak against the OU me t Offensive damage calculations said: 2 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 159-187 (45.1-53.1%) 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 228 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 283-334 (71.1-83.9%) 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 248 HP/ 116 Def Mega Scizor: 160-190 (46.6-55.3%) 252 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mew : 237-279 (58.6-6996) Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 0 Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. 0 Atk Salamence Def Mega Charizard X Def Mega Gyarados SpA Salamence Fire Blast vs. SpD Skarmory: Atk Aerilate Salamence Return vs. Def Hippowdon its mo i st comm oost Dra Dance/ Re stance, Me Dr Roos mence ca f that, Me Dr Rotom. On mence ca ets atta atta atta Dr iable. While they are not equally as effective as the most common set, offensive OU pow is means that there is no surefire counter to Me alamence, While th me can be sai e same combina offe sa Salamenc the Ove wor the above two par mence, Th and niche counters rs order to deal with the threat that Mega Salamence represents. On top of that, none of these Pokémon are exactly viable on offensive teams, meaning that said teams are either forced to run gimmicks such as Choice Scarf Greninja in order to kill Mega Salamenc 4th Gener Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it is capable of sweeping through a significant portion of teams in the metagame little effort notice how Mega Salamence perfectly fits t Pokémon is uber if, in common battle conditions, it can consistently set substantially easier for other pokemon situation in which it ma handl so ca above, the OU Council has Ubers with imm Haunter, Nov 28 Swagodile, PowerStyler, GiraGoomy and 226 others like this

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Mudkip Master

Mudkip Master

Nov 28, 2014 at 11:38PM EST

Aw man, Salamance is one of my favorite Pokemon, and now it’s mega is banned before I even get the game…

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Rad Dudesman

Rad Dudesman

Nov 28, 2014 at 10:53PM EST in reply to Tivictus (Zinnia is my Waifu)

But that's the thing

They've been testing Mega Salamence for a long time now, and it's insanely broken

It has base 145 Attack, base 130 Defense, and base 120 speed.

It's fast, strong, and too bulky to be killed by Ice Shard. It has no counters.

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