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The Myth of Batman v Superman Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:53:12 No.69555175 View Reply Original Report Quoted By: >>69555194 >>69557510 >>69562486>>69567558 >>69573287 >69577518>>69578926 >>69580385 >>69584524 Umberto Eco (Eco, 1972)analyzed the Superman myth in a very important article that makes several assertions about the 569KiB, 3378x612, 132473473482993.jpg Google iqdb SauceNAO Superman mythos and comic books in general. In this instance we will inspect and understand this treatise's connection with Snyder's Superman depicted in Man of Steel and in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:53:48 No.69555194 Quoted By >>69555240 >69573287 69577518 >69578926 Report >>69555175 For pragmatic purposes, here is a brief summary of Eco's essay: Superman Arrived on Earth from planet Krypton Unlimited strength, speed, and sight Can break speed of light and able to time travel Battles the forces of Evi Because of these traits, Superman becomes hard to identify with. Possible due to dual-identity of Superman Lives among men as journalist Clark Kent >He is timid, awkward, and submissive 거n a sense, Clark represents-average readers' (not a critical or Model Reader) Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:54:49 No.69555240 Report Quoted By>>69555276>>69573287 >>69577518>>69578926 Superman Umberto Eco Superman, however, does not share all the same qualities as mythical figures >Mythical figures are defined by a previous complex story or labor >Superman-monthly subscriptions touch on previous subscriptions and not on complex story >Religious/Mythical figures have predetermined fate Superman does not Issue with Superman -1 weakness: Kryptonite. This limits narrative theme: >As a result, scriptwriters must create intriguing obstacles due to character's flatness >Consumption of Superman: cannnot consume himself since he is a myth (which Eco says are inconsumable BECAUSE they are already consumed by some exemplary action- often upholding some law such as valor or rebirth) >> Even if he just flies around for an hour of action, he moves closer to death and gets older >> Remains "both" since he is a mythical creature existing in a normal world (Earth) Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:55:50 No.69555276 Quoted By69555337 69573287 6957751869678926 Report >69555240 Consequently, the character has made a gesture which is inscribed in his past and which weighs on his future. He has taken a step toward death, he has gotten older, if only an hour, his storehouse of personal experiences has irreversibly enlarged. To act, then, for Superman as for any other character (or each of us), means to Time in Superman Comics >Time is broken down due to serialization - what is the time that connects one story to the next? If each week's story took on where last one left off, Superman would be moving closer to death and older (i.e. consuming himself) Scriptwriters develop an "oneiric climate the connection is hazy on purpose to distract readers from time issue between stories: the reader, without realizing it, of course, loses the notion of temporal progression" (Eco 115) Report Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:57:19 No.69555337 Quoted By >>69555372 >>69573287 >>69577518 > 69578926 >69555276 Reader likes (and expects) redundancy - seen in stock characters and in small habits of even complex characters (Holmes' recurring tic) Roots come from feuilleton-founded in triumph of information and having messages loaded with redundancy and focus of tradition (doesn't want to upset norms). The character is "required to 'consume' himself through to death" (Eco 120) Civic and Political Consciousness Superman is most powerful and represents the conglomerate of all superheroes (he is the forerunner of superheroes and most carefully sketched and sought after) >Why limit the use of their powers? They usually fight bank robbers and mail-truck robbers (Superman now connotes "fights only for human property" - he chooses not to fight for world peace or take over the government and enforce strict morals to improve humanity Furthermore, Superman wastes time and raising money for charity events (see above connotation), when he could be using his energy to create sustainable energy for the entire world >>Leads Eco to conclusion about Superman's pervasive theme: good is represented only as charity Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:58:23 No.69555372 Quoted By >>69555413 > 69573287 >>69577518 >>69578926 Report >69555337 It's clear that some aspects of Eco's essay require to be updated - seeing as his knowledge of the character's development stops in the 70's. Superman no longer strays away from political dilemmas and state issues His prime villains have changed with the times: the attacks of them solely on private property (possibly correlated to the population's mindset during the Cold War) warped to attacks that pose global threats His once-sacred no-kill rule has been broken several times, opening the door to morality discussions More importance has been given to continuity, both in comics and their direct logical extensions: Cinematic Universes are Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 13:59:27 No.69555413 Report Quoted By:>>69555454 >69564366 >>69573287 >>69577518>>69578926 Snyder's intention isn't to provide the definitive version of Superman. As Eco declares, this is impossible seeing as this would make the figure consume itself. Snyder intends simply to provide the character with another intriguing obstacle: that of a modern, hyperreal, cynical society. The hyperrealism of Zack Snyder's latest films has come to be one of the most defining traits of them. The context of these superhero movies is very much a parallel to our real world, working as a mirror to it, where post 9/11 paranoia is still real, race relations are shaky with tensions at an all time high, and an honest, yet cynical view of the fervent religious fervor that captures a significant sect of our population. While Snyder aims to give us a what if" situation of how these heroes would be received, exist and live in our own world, he at the same time refuses to stop there. He still adheres to the comic book aesthetic, perhaps more so than any other director. He refuses to apologize for the look of these heroes, forgoing the usual "functional armor" look that many cinema superheroes are chained too. No, these heroes look AND act as if they leaped from the pages of a graphic novel, and the world they leaped into is our own. By imbuing the DCEU with the most uncompromising comic book influence there is, while not disregarding the mythical traits of these characters, and at the same time grounding the characterization of these heroes within the context of our world, Zack has created one of the most hyperreal cinema concepts perhaps ever executed. The reaction of the public to these stories validates this thesis. And in a genius meta-infused gesture is depicted in the film itself as the urine jar in the Capitol hearing. View Same Google SauceNAO 凼 Pi55-Christ-by-Serrano Andres(1 ( )jpg, 11KB,261x382 qb Anonymous Sun 15 May 2016 14:00:41 No.695S5454 Quoted By 69573287 6957751869578926 >69555413 Report Piss Christis a 1987 photograph by the American artist and photographer Andres Serrano. It depicts a small plastic crucifix submerged in a glass of the artist's urine Lex Luthor's sabotage of Superman's will to serve humanity was highlighted by his seemingly ultra-petty humiliation of Senator Finch. Yet the two unrelated schemes have this artful connection. >Sister Wendy Beckett, an art critic and Catholic nun, stated in a television interview with Bill Moyers that she regarded the work as not blasphemous but a statement on what we have done to Christ": that is, the way contemporary society has come to regard Christ and the values he represents. The entire idea behind the Congressional Hearing was Piss Christ. The idea of the movie in itself is Piss Christ. Snyder is completely aware of all the themes at work here, including that of a "realistic" take on Superman being detrimental to the character, moving him closer to death. Placing Superman in a real world setting -that of cynics, corruption, and apathy-is the same as placing Jesus in a jar of piss that is our contemporary society. This doubles down on the prediction that Superman's miracle of resurrection will usher in a new era for this world free from the cynicisim and 'realism' where Superman can live up to his potential. >Catholic Archbishop of Melbourne,George Pell, sought an injunction from the Supreme Court of Victoriato restrain the National Gallery of Victoria from publicly displaying Piss Christ, which was not granted. Some days later, one patron attempted to remove the work from the gallery wall, and two teenagers later attacked it with a hammer Snyder was even genius enough to predict the movie's hatred, from prominent critics and especially from passionate youths desperate for the pure symbol promised to them in their sunday schools and bedtime stories (comics and cartoons). Justice League, as the final part of the Superman trilogy, will reveal all.

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