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Submission - a little bit more curious, you have a non-major figure" receiving alleged "harassment", but it's apparently worth noting. I'm pretty sure the people at Wizardchan have provided evidence that they didn't actually do any of the stuff but one side of a story seems good enough for most people I guess. Posts 3980 Fair point. I think the second story had more interest and warranted a news post because it was trying to help prevent harassment in the Steam Greenlight system, which needed to be foced. You are correct that The Escapist attempts to signal boost stories which fight for the rights for people to create content (eames, videos, etc.) without the fear of harm or harassment. Zoe Quinn wasn't the story there - It was the harassment But to address something else in this thread. I contend there is no feminist gamer movement. Instead, there is a movement to respect all people everywhere.Idon't know who can argue against that sentiment The issue runs deeper, "snip Zoe Quinn is not defined by her victimhood. She is a person. A human being who has made a bunch of games. What happened is not part of an agenda or a conspiracy. There is no narrative anywhere near to what you describe, and quite honestly it feels deluded. Many people in this thread are willing to believe your version of the events, but as someone who is a part of the story, according to you, it The only story or narrative behind so-called social justice is designed to ask people to be nice to one another to treat others on the internet with respect. That's all. That's the agenda. The conspiracy for kindness Please p Joined: 29 Sep 2005 I have seen some version of this list several times in this thread already, sometimes presented as a list of questions. This is not a list of compelling evidence. To me, it seems like a stretch to create a story linking these adjusted images that simply doesn't exist. It reminds me of the content of 9/11 truthers and UFO websites I am unconvinced by any of it It means nothing The only issue that I see that is worth addressing is the behavior of people who try to accept this story as truth. It is not good to think about people this way, It is not good to continue to act in a way that's hurtful to people you have no actual knowledge about. No one in this situation is actively hurting you yet some of you are actively choosing to be part of a problem, Please think about your actions and how your words can negatively affect people. Please choose to be responsible for your own actions. Posts: 3980 Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Thank It's the narrative you and others have created. This alleged situation tarnishes no one except perhaps the ex-boyfriend guy who wrote the initial post. Writing a post like that was designed only to hurt someone else and deserves no respect The rest of the industry is unconcerned with the delusions of a few hundred people. Because yes, even though this thread has a lot of posts, and it may feel like you have a lot of people who want to participate in your narrative role-playing, I think this has become an echo chamber. Youare all bouncing the same pre-programmed nonsense around and around and you think it sounds like the noble cacophony of the masses. But it's not.You are the very vocal minority of people who enjoy hurting others with their posts on the internet. Ido not support that behavior, and I wish you would consider just how awful it is to treat others that way. 29 Sep You are not fighting for some worthwhile cause; you are not working to protest for change like the civill rights movement here in American in the 1950s. You think the woman who made a free text-based game about depression broached some serious ethical code by being a sexual partner with men and you're basing these accusations solely on the rant of a spurned ex-boyfriend. None of this would be something worthy of Martin Luther King, Jr.or Mahatma Gandhi It is between the individuals directly involved to resolve it. It is up to them if they wouldlike to make that resolution public. One of them already has: Seems to me the only ones focusing on sex (verb or noun) are coming from your side of the issue, while we're over here talking about censorship, nepotism, manipulation of the community, and journalistic ethics But hey, keep pettifogging if it so suits you. There'll be plenty of hat (or crow, don't want to be exclusionary) to go around for Censorship-I can't speak for the forums that have locked this topic, but I believe they don't have the resources or desire to keep a conversation going without heavy moderation we have at The Escapist. They also did not want to participate in aiding the harassment of an individual. I have chosen differently I want to engage with you to let you know that this behavior is not acceptable. Joined 29 Sep 2005 Nepotism-This refers to ensuring the people in power appoint family members to positions of authority in the religious bureaucracy.I don't think it applies in this situation because no one is blood-related and it's kind of an outdated term Manipulation of the community-Idon't think she did anything of the sort. She reacted to the very real harassment she was enduring Journalistic Ethics-Stephen Totillo, EIC of Kotaku, is hard-ass journalism school guy. If he supports Nathan Grayson, that's all the e you I reject the idea that any other accusation are founded in reality Hello The Escapist ran a story about Quinn's harassment in late 2013 with little evidence other than her word. We will always default towards helping out people who are the subject of harassment on the internet. I do not support behavior of that kind and will strive to protect those who are feeling the effects of it We will signal-boost those incidents because I think it's important to create change, and will only choose not to post such stories if l decide they will do more harm to the situation. I continue to ask that you consider whether your actions in crafting a false narrative are helping anything How will arguing about this situation on this forum make the world a better place? It just doesn't make sense to me why it's so important that this person is tried before a jury of the internet and found guilty of her alleged crimes. The parties directly involved have already resolved any personal ssue they had, or I hope they are at least working towards it now. That is all that's important Posts: 3980 Joined: 29 Sep 2005 What you think is happening just isn't true There is no conspiracy. There is no breach in ethics. There is nothing wrong except that a small group of posters on the internet think there is Contrary to your clalims, harassment and abuse on the internet are very real things that cause actual harm to people. It's important for you to see how participating in crafting this story contributes to harmful actions and deeds Please respect all people going forward. So you will default to one position with little or on evidence but when presented with other you will do everything possible to shame people out of even discussing it? Isn't that the very definition of editorial bias? You "Signal boosted someone based on little or no evidence and in the process make her into a pretty visible gaming personality but when that person's personal Iife explodes spectacularly raising ugly issues that is the opposite of news? Signal boosting" is the problem. You promoted her Agenda and now that agenda is unraveling you call those who put MORE evidence than you had in 2013 forward "like 9/11 truthers Posts:3980 29 Sep Yes, I am, because I think it is more important to reduce harassment and harmful behavior than to entertain the very slim possibility the claims were fabricated. I want to help people. I want other people to default towards acting respectful of others. That is what I'm trying to achieve. Iam guilty of promoting the agenda of kindness What are you trying to do agalin? Hello I want to respond to a few things in this thread We sald from the start that this conversation would be heavily moderated. Part of the reason why I allowed it to continue was that we had an awesome group of moderators who tirelessly enforce our stringent forum rules. The work of the Escaplist moderators, especially TopazFusion, is extremely appreciated. This thread is not being censored. You are now being held accountable for your actions. If you break the rules, you will be suspended or banned. Period. I stand by the journalistic integrity of The Escapist, and my earlier post in no way was an admission of a mistake or error on our part.l said we published a story with only one source, which is acceptable if we deem the source is trusted or if we feel the statement involved is enough of a story. Consider statements from game developers in interviews or reporting on posts in social media-there is no need to corroborate single sources unless there is reason to suspect the veracity of that source. And before you state there is now such a reason, I disagree. The blog post of an estranged ex-boyfriend does not call anyone's trustworthiness into question except his Posts: 3983 Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Keep in mind that The Escapist is primarily an entertainment website. We discuss games, movies, and comic books, and provide a place to find news and read reviews about the media people like to consume We strive to provide trustworthy reporting on game companies, and pundits on The Escapist will occasionally address real world current events as they intersect with media, but it is not Further, my statement stands that we will always support those who are being harassed, abused or attacked either on the internet or in person There is no burden of proof on someone who is being hurt. The reports of individuals who have been hurt by angry people on the internet are very real and I repeat that I will always default to trusting someone who says they have been hurt or abused especially If they identify with a group that has been subject to this treatment throughout history Please stop accepting the facts you want to believe are true because they fit the pre-concelved notions you have about the world. sincerely hope that no one in this thread would ever attack or abuse anyone, but forcing this narrative still has a very destructive influence. You are not helping anyone; you are not the arbiters of justice. You are not doing anything except fostering an environment in which it is acceptable to behave this way. It is not acceptable Thank you to those who are keeping civil discussion possible on this subject. Your responses are appreciated. Please continue to talk manner

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zoë “lycan subscribe" quinn O @UnburntWitch - 1h Since I'm getting a lot of emails about this: no, l've got nothing to do with That TV show. I learned about its existence at the same time as the rest of you. No, I was not asked, consulted etc. and if I had been asked, I wouldn't have been ok with it. That's all. 5 17 42 408 zoë “lycan subscribe" quinn O @UnburntWitch · 1h I continue to reject any oversimplification of GamerGate that leaves out its roots in white supremacy, domestic violence, and the pre-existing societal issues it capitalized in favor of a more convenient and inaccurate narrative about it being solely about women in games. t7 78 5 510 @UnburntWitch - 57m zoë “lycan subscribe" quinn If I am portrayed in it, it's without my involvement or any input on my end, and is happening without my consent. If I'm written out of it, well. I'm not so sure how you can present it as an “honest" story. But that's really not my problem, either. 27 10 204 zoë “lycan subscribe" quinn ... @UnburntWitch I don't want to do any interviews on this, I don't want to give any other statements aside from this. It's bad enough having all of this pop up again without any warning or regard for how I might feel about it, so l'd like to just try and ignore it. Thank you for understanding.
@Lyde15 - "Gamergate happened.":https://twitter.com/Lyde15/status/1397926104829075467
zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O @UnburntWitch - 1h wow what a "fun" idea. assholes. O DiscussingFilm @DiscussingFilm - 9h Ellen Page and Paris Berelc have been cast in the gaming comedy 1UP' for BuzzFeed Studios. The film is described as being in the vein of 'Pitch Perfect' but set in the world of esports with a Gamergate backdrop. (Source: link.hollywoodreporter.com/click/21952263..) IB CAD 44 27 251 M 1.6K zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O @UnburntWitch 1h love that the psycho ex who ruined my life and the alt-right mob he drummed up basically seems to have won the disinformation wars given the replies to this. big props to everyone who knew better but stayed ""neutral"" during gg. O 6 27 52 O 829 zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O @UnburntWitch - 1h fun reminder: the game review I supposedly "bought" with sex literally never existed in any way, shape, or form, and the psycho ex who kicked up the mob even said so himself. 000 I hate that this still somehow is considered a controversial statement. 27 78 O 771 zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O @UnburntWitch · 1h I hate that I have to keep saying it but I don't know what else to do when people just let the waters be muddied for this long and my existence has been politicized to the point where I can't just live my life. 000 277 O 497 zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O @UnburntWitch - 1h 000 They even named the protagonist "Vivian" so they know enough to know better than to make this a fun comedic romp. O 10 337 zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O @UnburntWitch 57m I'm so sick of talking about this even though it STILL impacts my life every day. I struggle to live my life around it, recover from it, and not let it break me and then stuff like this comes up from time to time and kicks me in the teeth. O 4 27 8 O 386 zoë "leonardo doujinshi" quinn O 000 @UnburntWitch Replying to @UnburntWitch Sorry. I know a million more important and f----- up things are happening rn. Logging tf off. 1:57 AM - Oct 31, 2020 - Twitter for iPhone ZOE QUINN GAMERGATE
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>I don't care if Zoe didn't have any evidence when she came to us with her story. By default, we side with the party claiming to be harassed, even if she was the one harassing a bunch of depressed people for publicity.

I am having a hard time deciding which gaming website is the worst. The editor in chief of The Escapist is literally saying that he doesn't care about facts and that his primary responsibility is to push a political agenda. I am more disgusted with the state of games journalism than ever. These people are scum and I hope that the gaming community buries them the whole lot of them after this scandal.

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Wow, even in his fucking posts, practically admits, because of her being in a shitstorm that she caused herself, he's willing to silence or reduce the people who is calling out on her, and just denying that she did anything wrong to begin with! And that last post, "….I will default to trusting someone who says they have been hurt or abused,"

Yea, so why aren't you standing up to the GUY WHO HAD A COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP WITH HER, THAT HAS PROOF SHE CHEATED ON HIM, WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO PUBLISH ARTICLES TO THE AFFILIATED SITES THAT THEY WORK FOR!

This man's logic, is just unfucking believeable.

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