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[-] wrecksomething 6 puntos 18 horas atrás Really felt Wales made a mistake stepping into this relatively minor issue. It's basically a one-word error (at most) that has since been rewritten Isquith writes The women bombarded with violence and abuse, the men hurling invective at anyone challenging their privilege; spurred by his unexamined need to find common ground, both, Auerbach writes, should share in the blame Pretty straightforward that Isquith is calling Auerbach out (rightly or wrongly) for victim blaming. Wikipedia originally summarized this as Isquith. criticizing his insistence that women harassed and threatened and men attacking those who challenged their privilege should both be held responsible for what Gamergate had become." Which is almost the same sentence through a thesaurus A different user changed "criticized his insistence" to "criticized him for saying" which I think was meant to make it seem more moderate, less insistent. But "saying" also reads as though the words came from Auerbach directly when they're Isquith's criticism. Which is Auerbach's complaint, that he didn't say those words Ryulong was wrong to take Auerbach's complaint as a threat (though it is strange that he singled out Ryulong). He apologized. From what I gather, Jimmy Wales was more upset at the article's error (and at a different user's behavior) enlace padre mmy Wales, Wiki Founder 10 puntos 8 horas atrás Actually, I'm not particularly "upset" about anything. I seek to defuse the situation by finding ways forward for good people (no matter what their opinions are of the underlying issues) who care about neutrality more than they care about gamergate This means that I am not recommending (and indeed actively recommend against) hordes of gamergaters who feel injured by the media, etc., coming to Wikipedia to "Right Great Wrongs" https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Wikipedia: Tendentious, editing #Righting-Great-wrongs But I am also recommending that several editors who have been involved realize that they are not helping to defuse the situation and to simply step away and let others handle it. If you've become part of the wider Internet drama (for example, by starting an AMA about yourself) surrounding Gamergate, then you likely should step away from the article Too many people view these things in terms of crime and punishment. It shouldn't be like that. We're here to write an encyclopedia, not engage in wider social conflicts enlace padre

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Jalen Hutchinson Studied Culinary Science at Culinary Institute of America (Graduated 2014). Author has 304 answers and 740.1K answer views. 5y Not that I care that much either way, but it did expose a lot of corrupt game developers and game journalists. X Journalists would make claims of people like Anita Sarkeesian "playing video games all her life" when she openly admitted many times she is not a gamer and only starter recently (when it wasn't for an interview). Various developers trading sex or money for good reviews got exposed, journalists who accepted got exposed. People became a bit more critical about supporting a game just because the developer has a victim complex stating tat their game could have only failed because of sexism, instead of their own poor developing skills. What really sealed the deal was opposition often faking their own harassment. Anita sarkeesian and Zoe Quinn have been caught multiple times screenshotting "harassment" while showing that the harrasser's account name in the login. Or when someone called the police to help Sarkeesian against a "very real threat" she was posting about, only for police to find the harasser's messages were coming from her IP address. I just want honesty from the community, and the lies were mostly exposed by the "dreaded" gamergate. 1.3K views • View upvotes 26

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Timothy Camilleri e TopcatsLair 3m #Globa!Gamers #GamerGate if you are in Melbourne and want to see #Nightbreed Director's Cut check this link out. pozible.com/project/188446 View summary Timothy Camilleri @TopcatsLair 5m It also parallels with #GamerGate and Gamers being stereotyped and persecuted as a culture sick of being picked on and fighting back わ Timothy Camilleri @TopcatsLair 9m Minority group was also basement dwellers, hiding away from persecution. #Nightbreed isn't just allegory for LBGT persecution ala Xmen... わ Timothy Camilleri @TopcatsLair 11m A bunch of idealogues justify the persecution of a minority group because they have right on their side. Minority group fights back and wins

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Alternative roo 11/20/2014 2:44:33 PM Indeed, here is the tweet by your employee. t seems many thousands of people of Twitter have been complsining about this but t has yet to be addressed by the company. A large section (Current count being over one hundred thous and registered on Reddit alone) do not ike being called terrorists, inc luding purple heart owning US army veterans https witber.com/sydExE/status/534028836011524086 Can I please start by saying I am deeply sorry for this issue, We take instances such as this very seriously and will investigate the incident fully. Can you please provide me with more information about the incident so that we can look into this for you? Again, I apologise for any offence cause by my fellow employee Alternative roo 11/16/2014 4:30:27 PM Dear Ubisoft Could you please give a public explanation on why your emplbyee is openly insulting your paying customers by calling them terrorists?

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Then Mr. Auerbach should have spoken to Mr. Isquith rather than act just like Gamergate and bother some powerless editor on Wikipedia. His dislike of my paraphrasing of someone else so pinion of his writing is not a BLP violation in the slightest-Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Then you have no idea what a BLP violation is and you should stop writing and quoting people that puts them in a negative light. Isquith is not the issue. If you are so tone deaf that you did not see your writing as being particularly sharp, you should step away. Repeating that you think it's someone else's problem is also problematic given your "sincere and heartfelt" apology. -DHeyward (talk) 21:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC) I can only second what DHeyward is saying here. And "act just like Gamergate" is really an expression of bias unbecoming for a Wikipedia editor. If you have such strong feelings about the article, then step away and let someone else edit it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:31, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia- Jimmy Wales ask Ryulong to stop editing the GG wikipedia article due to his animosity towards David Auerbach 01

David Auerbach Are messages like this what you had in mind when you extended the olive branch?_Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:11, 15 November 2014 (UTC) Yes, that's precisely what I had in mind. BLP violations are not ok, and a journalist falsely accused of a position that he does not hold and did not write has a right to respond here. I would like to repeat here my point that there are plenty of good Wikipedians who will look after the article, and due to your conflict with Mr Auerbach it would be best if you just stepped away from the whole thing.-Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC) This is frankly ridiculous. There was no conflict with Mr. Auerbach until he came onto the site and made one by failing to assume good faith in my original edit weeks ago. I retracted all of my statements about him where I characterized his message to me as a threat. I gave him a heartfelt apology and told him why l reacted the way I did because he asked me to apologize and he just goes "don't believe you" and feels that my subsequent reaction to this is evidence enough. I am disappointed by this turn of events. There is no valid reason I should step away from the article. There are dozens of editors who have come to Wikipedia for the sole reason of rewriting the article to favor their fringe movement and they remain untouchable or undeterred because they have no real dog to lose if they get banned. But just because one writer is upset with the paraphrased criticism I wrote about weeks ago that has been rewritten already and that the various editors below acknowledge wasn't entirely incorrect means I have to step down? I have no agenda with this page. I have no personal conflict with Mr. Auerbach other than my disgust with how all this has panned out. This has somehow given the people who want to silence me for opposing their opinion are using it as an excuse to have me topic banned when there have been much more egregious violations of BLP that they have performed but remain untouched. But I'm at fault because Gamergate is just the latest in a line of nerd groups who have made me out to be the Wikidevil incarnate. The very fact I'm arguing this with you is probably making the Gamergate camp on reddit giddy with excitement that you might personally ban me for doing so. And Mr. Auerbach would not even know my user name if The Devil's Advocate hadn't plastered it at the top of the discussion on the talk page about Mr. Auerbach's complaint to you.一Ryūlóng (琉司11:19, 16 November 2014 (UTC) I recommend that you take a couple of days off at least, to reassess. There have been a great many complaints about your behavior, of course not all justified, but enough justified that you should realize that you are making yourself a part of the problem rather than a part of the solution. Let others take it on.-Jimbo Wales (talk) 18:56, 16 November 2014 (UTC) Barely any complaints are justified. And the article remains fully protected for another week. All that's going on now is angry talk page and notice board discussions-Ryūlong (琉竜) 19:00, 16 November 2014 (UTC) If barely any complaints are justified and if nothing is going on, now seems as good a time as any for you to step away. WP:OWN takes many forms.-Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:02, 16 November 2014 (UTC) Ryūlóng (琉 I'm not sure if taking a break while there's a discussion regarding topic banning me is going on will help matters in that regard. 19:03, 16 November 2014 (UTC) ) To the contrary, I believe that many or even most discussants would take a voluntary stepping away from the article as a wonderful gesture of good faith aimed at preserving Wikipedia's reputation for neutrality and seriousness about biographical concerns. I know that I would personally appreciate and value it.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:13, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia- Jimmy Wales ask Tarc to stop editing the GG wikipedia article

I think it worthwhile to summarize what one part of what happened here clearly so that other Wikipedians reading this talk page are better able to understand the situation. David Auerbach, who writes for Slate (magazine), expressed a concern on twitter that "ajimmy_wales 152: "women...should both be held responsible for what Gamergate had become"-Isquith does not say I said this, and I didn't." [7] 9. This refers to the paragraph wisely removed by Drmies after the complaint. It is important that we be really clear - this is a BLP issue. Saying that a writer for a respectable publication was criticized for something as awful as saying that victims of harassment were responsible for that harassment is a serious claim, and it is a claim that was never in the source provided. Meanwhile, Tarc claims that his tweets were "without merit" and further, in Drmies words "Tarc is yelling at Auerbach via twitter." This is a disgrace. I am recommending that Tarc step away from this article permanently, and that if he does not do so voluntarily and continues with this kind of POV warrior behavior that he be topic- banned from this article. There are plenty of good Wikipedians here to look after the article - those who have been engaged in this as a battleground need to leave now Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:08, 13 November 2014 (UTC) I did not "yell" ant anyone via Twitter, I responded to someone who is in serious "doth protest too much" mode, that is all. What I do off-wiki is, quite frankly not your business. @Drmies:, yes, I am in favor of the entire passage being removed if it is this problematic. Tarc (talk) 12:45, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

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We're talking about the allegations that journalist colluded on a private mailing list, allegations that were quickly debunked? I thought this had been in the article all along, but hmm, I do not see it now. I think it is worth mention, if only to note that is it one of several failed criticisms. Tarc (talk) 13:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC) The criticisms were not "debunked" but "denied". "Debunked" is a success verb that implies more than simple denial. Having looked at the leaked emails, I would say that the allegations of collusion are largely and obviously true. So there's not really any justification for us to go further than "denied".--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:39, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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File (hidel: 1416244565682 png i57.4 KB, 478 820, 230:410. sdana) O Possibly the next 10/10 Indyfest winner game Anita Sarkeesian aproved Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 02 16:06 ID: acb6f9 №539765 Last 50P osts What do you guys think? Was I wrong for whatI said? just don't think this game should win indycade pax and all the othens ate Thread What you saw sage Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 14:16:08 ID: 255d80 No. 544505 44529 544464 I'm donating money because OP is a f------ retard, even if the creator of this game was the devil incarnate, we only look bad by even mentioning this s--- Unbearable F----- 11/18/14(Tue) 02:16:31 ID: acb6f9 No 539771 44 Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 14:13:34 ID: 764146 No 544487 2544502 (OP) 544433 Yeah I'm interested too this is the first time I've ever heard of this OP: cut it the f--- out, think before you do stupid things Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 02:27:38 ID: 539e37 No 539843 씌aaaaz definitely, it's another indie fund game Unbearable F----- 11/18/14(Tue) 022851 ID acb6f9 No 539857-44 I just find it distasteful. How can you use a childs death and suffering to promote a video game...w-- is wrong with peopl....!? How can you even criticise such a game Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 14:14:51 ID: 71a992 No.544495 5124452 544486 F--- that, this thread should now be about supporting the game and hoping it will be a good one! Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 14:06:53 ID: 71a992 No. 544448 33544- Show the guy your support, he eamed it. And who knows, maybe we get lucky and the anti-GG decides to lash out on neutrals again simply because they didnt say we're the worst thing on Earth. Happened with Gaymer, happened with Intel, happened with Pakman What actually happened: Obviously, for everyone involved in the project this whole thing means something to them. It's just a shame they aren't artistically inclined enough to make a quality product that stands on any leg other than guilt. I can see what they were going for, and I don't believe that this story shouldn't be told through vidya Games are an art form, this certainly is an appropriate medium It's just, you're dealing with someone who's infused their own horrific personal tragedy into something that would otherwise be described as a sub par product, and now to handle it with anything but the softest of kiddie gloves is to invite waves of shaming from those that like to self-righteously stand on the moral high ground... ie just about everyone Unbearable Faggo! 1 1/18/14 (Tue) 02 49: 19 ID aaf344 №539963 met쑈ー30044 4000 I don't really have a problem with this game I think you guys are being too wound up around being anti-political. Guy made his experiences into a game. If it's good, it's good. If it's not, it's not If it's not good, but gets 10/10 all across the board, then we can start busting down doors >>544471-44532 >사4477d Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 02 50:48 ID acb619 No 539966-moorz 539953 It allready went into the finals of all the game competitions pax, indycade etc Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 04:10 06 ID: acb6r9 No.540409 bo no its not that The video they put up for their kickstarter is distasteful IMO. ut again its just my opinion, as i said in the video if you like it go suport it i wont stop you from it its just that i believe if you advertise a game you should put images of THAT game, not some footage of the gamers crying and the person crying and hospital and pictures of now dead babies and etc Also i hope the judges at indycade pax etc udge the game acording to its merits Story/Graphics/gameplay etc And not if its an interactive movie that sends a message i like 10/10 O Unbearable F----- 11/18/14(Tue) 02:52:23 ID: aaf344№ 539977 zzsaaaa1 Loking imo i Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 03:44:26 ID: 172e9d No.540255 couldn't watch this. I tabbed out to just hear the audio. Holy hell, man. Nope, nothing wrong with that, it's best to be sure Just don't start crucifying the guy who made the game before the game even comes out That's the kind of s--- SJWs do. Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 05:26:02 ID: 2e9bcf No.540865 22540893 At worst, it's another barely interactive non-game being singled out for attention and promotion bec ause it has the right message and the creator knows the right people. Symptomatic of the problem, but not a good poster child for it. Simply being against it because of who is for it is f------ retarded Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 02:53 08 ID: acb6f9 No.539981 Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 09:01:05 ID: 60c25a No.542283 this is a no go Too much of a hot button issue to make something out of it 2539977 Oh i have nothing with the guy. I just find the way he promotes his game distasteful. As i said on my video. If people like it then go play it, i dont mind Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 03:06:27 ID: 764f46 No 540054 2294000:440000 None of the people who wrote for Polygon, Joystiq, Kotaku, Kill Screen, Eurogamer, Forbes, or Geeks Under Grace contributed to the project. I will try to track down coverage on the other Unbearable F----- 11/18/14(Tue) 06 05:30 ID dia7e8 No 541094-41108 l personally think we should just leave it alone. nbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 13:33:04 ID: 9da286 No.544267 sites 544256 m not planning on buying the game, but God damn I really want him to succeed. aggot 1 1/18/14 (Tue) 03:55:47 IDffa9ea No 540320-40381-40 40409-40429 Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 06:45:08 ID: acb6f9 No.541353 I spoke with the developer and He explained that polygon and kotaku jumped on it then the others followed the copy-paste article. Anita apparantely is doing it out of her own free will. BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU F------ DEAL WITH THIS Seriously. You don't have to be a spin doctor to tell this could EASILY be redirected at us by the media GAMERGATE IS ATTACKING A GAME ABOUT FIGHTING CANCER If there's legitimate coruption, make DAMN well sure you f------ are certain. Even then, treat it with care and respect Knowing this i told the dev that i still find their add on kickstarter distasteful, and i don't like the game. How ever, I am all for promoting it and hope that they get their kickstarter going because I am for actual diversity in games Knowing that out there, games i dont like exist, means that the genre is diverse enough for any one to be able and buy what they like e they'll be able to gloat that we're literally worse than cancer H--------. The creator actually threw us a bone instead of fanning the anti gamergate flames for more funds. Seriously, if this guy isn't ethical, I don't know what is. Mad respect. I kind of want to donate to the game now even though that kind of goes against what he says. Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 04 00 54 ID: 0027a4 No 540361 545520 File (bide): 1415250854532ǐpg (19835 KB. 53 x1 110. 539: 11 19. 1347zeananiuo Whoo Alright OP, I will tell you that you are right to be disgustec However, you have to understand that this is art (as approached especially in other mediums) The emotions you are feeling are exactly the emotions that are meant to be conveyed That's how artists in any medium are classic ally trained- to be able to impress upon others certain emotions or themes in the most direct manner possible whether it be music Unbearable F----- 11/1814 (Tue) 13.34 31 ID: 55dea9 No.544278 I might actually write about this game, but donating to the kickstarter would be compromise the integrity O Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 13:35:12 ID: caadla No. 544281 溢443dt Unbearable F----- 11/18/14(Tue) 1353 46ID 007de9 No. 544373-44449 544364 as if they need proof to say this. The dev and i spoke, the dev is ok with my vid, the dev never got harassment from #Gamergate Art is a form of communication, and what is being communic ated in this instance are the feelings and experiences of the parents as they take care of their dying child You aren't offended by the parents per se but of the concepts of death, cancer, and how they relate to innocent babies If death and cancer weren't involved, you really wouldn't be offended, and would give zero f---- about these devs. Unbearable F----- 11/1814 (Tue) 14:03.30 ID: e43ef9 No.544418 ryan seems like a good guy, the cancer thing sucks, i feel for him, and yea, that sounds like a good idea, they will likely drag our names through the mud as always his is one of the few instances by anti-GG where art isn't used to dictate society, but where society is actually depicted in art Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 14:11:43 ID: 255d80 No.544476 Good idea OP, I think I am going to donate to this. Thanks for bringing it to my attention Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 14:12:16 ID: 71a992 No.544479 (OP) You might definitely find it all distasteful, but this is really no different from a person commissioning a portrait (or even a stylized fonted tombstone) for a deceased loved one l imagine that for the creators, this really is all just a form of closure. Of course. Just mentioned that can be a possible little extra on top of this. This game project genuinely looks promising. Anyways, for the rest of you, keep investigating However, stay cautious and keep hush This could very easily blow up in our faces, much much worse than Revo 60 and that bear VN Unbearable F----- 11/18/14 (Tue) 13.40:13 ID: 62b4b2 No 544304 Yea I'm actually going to do it too. He has so much respect from me for this. I know I said I probably won't like the 'game' but I'll give it chance now. I just really want to wish him the best for being so honest and above all this unlike most indie devs we ran into so far

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Gerard McDermott QMicDermie -6m 47 #GamerGate will go through quiet patches but can not be destroyed. Nothing has worked so far despite massive time and money spent Tweets Tweets & replies Photos & videos Gerard McDermott @MicDermie 2m Finally, #GamerGate already won. Weeks ago Gerard McDermott @McDermie - 6m Gerard McDermott @McDermie 6m 3/7 #GamerGate will be where bad behaviour and conflicts of interest will be exposed. Like a Media Watch for the videogame press 7/7 #GamerGate will result in new media and new indie support/awards. Not immediately but too many devs are in it andComments about the web, tech, trends they want change Gerard McDermott @McDermie Owner of GMAC Internet Solutions privacy and how the internet is being used and abused around the world Gerard McDermott @McDermie -6m 2/7 #GamerGate will be a permanent thing. The people who abused have 34 *2 Melbourne Australia gmacinternet.com.au already moved on. What is left are the ones who DID care about media Gerard McDermott @McDermie -6m O Joined June 2009 6/7 #GamerGate will continue to be blamed for abuse because there is nowhere else to point the finger. Over time that will stop Gerard McDermott @McDermie -6m 1/7 #GamerGate has become its own videogame subculture. The people in it have networked and become friends Leaders have come and gone Gerard McDermott @McDermie -6m 5/7 #GamerGate exists because it WAS always about the media and was always going to happen at some point. Trolls come and go Gerard McDermott @McDermie -6m 232 *1 Some friends are not going to like this but here goes... I've been watching #GamerGate closely since the start. Here's the situation..

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[-] wrecksomething 6 puntos 18 horas atrás Really felt Wales made a mistake stepping into this relatively minor issue. It's basically a one-word error (at most) that has since been rewritten Isquith writes The women bombarded with violence and abuse, the men hurling invective at anyone challenging their privilege; spurred by his unexamined need to find common ground, both, Auerbach writes, should share in the blame Pretty straightforward that Isquith is calling Auerbach out (rightly or wrongly) for victim blaming. Wikipedia originally summarized this as Isquith. criticizing his insistence that women harassed and threatened and men attacking those who challenged their privilege should both be held responsible for what Gamergate had become." Which is almost the same sentence through a thesaurus A different user changed "criticized his insistence" to "criticized him for saying" which I think was meant to make it seem more moderate, less insistent. But "saying" also reads as though the words came from Auerbach directly when they're Isquith's criticism. Which is Auerbach's complaint, that he didn't say those words Ryulong was wrong to take Auerbach's complaint as a threat (though it is strange that he singled out Ryulong). He apologized. From what I gather, Jimmy Wales was more upset at the article's error (and at a different user's behavior) enlace padre mmy Wales, Wiki Founder 10 puntos 8 horas atrás Actually, I'm not particularly "upset" about anything. I seek to defuse the situation by finding ways forward for good people (no matter what their opinions are of the underlying issues) who care about neutrality more than they care about gamergate This means that I am not recommending (and indeed actively recommend against) hordes of gamergaters who feel injured by the media, etc., coming to Wikipedia to "Right Great Wrongs" https://en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Wikipedia: Tendentious, editing #Righting-Great-wrongs But I am also recommending that several editors who have been involved realize that they are not helping to defuse the situation and to simply step away and let others handle it. If you've become part of the wider Internet drama (for example, by starting an AMA about yourself) surrounding Gamergate, then you likely should step away from the article Too many people view these things in terms of crime and punishment. It shouldn't be like that. We're here to write an encyclopedia, not engage in wider social conflicts enlace padre

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