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MODs and Steam selif gaming) submitted 3 hours ago by GabeNewellBellevue2 On Thursday I was flying back from LA. When I landed, I had 3,500 new messages. Hmmm. Looks like we did something to piss off the Internet. Yesterday I was distracted as I had to see my surgeon about a blister in my eye (#FuchsDystrophysucks), but I got some background on the paid mods issues. So here I am, probably a day late, to make sure that if people are p----- off, they are at least p----- off for the right reasons. 8937 comments save hide give gold report I-1 DevilDemyx 3643 points 3 hours ago This comment by /u/Martel732 raises five well thought out points that I think capture the essence of our concerns accurately 1. It is changing a system that has been working fine. Modders aren't an oppressed class working without benefit. Modders choose to work on mods for many reasons: fun, practice, boredom, the joy of creating something. And gamers appreciate their contributions. While, some gamers may feel entitled most understand that if a modder is unable to continue the mod may be abandoned. Donations may or may not help but they are an option. This system has for years made PC gaming what it is. Modding in my opinion is the primary benefit of PC gaming over console. Changing a functional system is dangerous and could have unintended consequences. 2. Now that people are paying for mods they will feel entitled for these mods to continue working. If a free mod breaks and isn't supported that is fine because there is no obligation for it to continue working. If someone pays though they will expect the mod to be updated and continue working as the base game is updated. Furthermore, abandoned but popular mods are often revived by other people; if these mods are paid then the original creator may not want people to profit off of updated versions of their mod 3. Related to the above paid mods may reduce cooperative modding. Many mods will borrow elements from other mods; usually with permission. Having paid mods will complicate things. Someone who makes a paid mod will be unlikely to share his/her work with others. What if someone freely share's his/her mod and someone incorporates it into a paid mod? Does the first mod's owner deserve compensation, does the second modder deserve the full revenue. This makes modding more politically complicated and may reduce cooperation. 4. This may reduce mods based off of copyrighted works. There is a very good chance that any paid mod based off of a copyrighted work will be shutdown. Modders could still release free mods of this nature but it complicates the issue. Many mods based on copyrighted materials borrow (usually with permission) from other mods to add improvements. If these other mods are paid then the original creators likely won't let them use it. Additional many modders may now ignore copyrighted mods in order to make mods that they may profit on. 5. Steam/the developer are taking an unfairly large portion of the profit. Steam and the Developers are offering nothing new to the situation. Steam is already hosting the mods and the developer already made the game. They now wish to take 75% of all profit from the mod. If the market gets flooded by low-quality paid mods, the modders will likely make very little and the quality of the game will not be increased. However, Steam and the Developers will make money off of no work on there part. EDIT: So this got a lot more attention than I expected and someone even gilded my comment. I usually dislike edits like this BUT if you agree with the concerns listed here please note that I didn't originally write them, so if you want to show your appreciation also go to the original comment linked at the top and upvote/gild that guy!

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Anonymous 07/19/15 (Sun) 05:28:15 ID: 09434 No. 5022380 225022523 File (hide): 1437294495761 gif (1.23 MB, 348x814, 173:407, 012.gif) this is f------ stupid skyrim (or any game that is modded) can be used as just a tool to express your love for the game or other s--- imagine hat i buy a pencil and paper o draw i spend my time and experence making something hat money i made selling it s of the communityt the people of the community i love can appreciate hen in this case i sell the drawing and ucking aber castell comes knocking my door asking for f------ 75% of the you have already paid for the pencil/game, the rest of the drawing was made by a person, not faber castell. so they have no right to try and profit out of my work. if they want me to make them money, then f------ hire me and give me money yourself

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MODs and Steam selif gaming) submitted 3 hours ago by GabeNewellBellevue2 On Thursday I was flying back from LA. When I landed, I had 3,500 new messages. Hmmm. Looks like we did something to piss off the Internet. Yesterday I was distracted as I had to see my surgeon about a blister in my eye (#FuchsDystrophysucks), but I got some background on the paid mods issues. So here I am, probably a day late, to make sure that if people are p----- off, they are at least p----- off for the right reasons. 8937 comments save hide give gold report I-1 DevilDemyx 3643 points 3 hours ago This comment by /u/Martel732 raises five well thought out points that I think capture the essence of our concerns accurately 1. It is changing a system that has been working fine. Modders aren't an oppressed class working without benefit. Modders choose to work on mods for many reasons: fun, practice, boredom, the joy of creating something. And gamers appreciate their contributions. While, some gamers may feel entitled most understand that if a modder is unable to continue the mod may be abandoned. Donations may or may not help but they are an option. This system has for years made PC gaming what it is. Modding in my opinion is the primary benefit of PC gaming over console. Changing a functional system is dangerous and could have unintended consequences. 2. Now that people are paying for mods they will feel entitled for these mods to continue working. If a free mod breaks and isn't supported that is fine because there is no obligation for it to continue working. If someone pays though they will expect the mod to be updated and continue working as the base game is updated. Furthermore, abandoned but popular mods are often revived by other people; if these mods are paid then the original creator may not want people to profit off of updated versions of their mod 3. Related to the above paid mods may reduce cooperative modding. Many mods will borrow elements from other mods; usually with permission. Having paid mods will complicate things. Someone who makes a paid mod will be unlikely to share his/her work with others. What if someone freely share's his/her mod and someone incorporates it into a paid mod? Does the first mod's owner deserve compensation, does the second modder deserve the full revenue. This makes modding more politically complicated and may reduce cooperation. 4. This may reduce mods based off of copyrighted works. There is a very good chance that any paid mod based off of a copyrighted work will be shutdown. Modders could still release free mods of this nature but it complicates the issue. Many mods based on copyrighted materials borrow (usually with permission) from other mods to add improvements. If these other mods are paid then the original creators likely won't let them use it. Additional many modders may now ignore copyrighted mods in order to make mods that they may profit on. 5. Steam/the developer are taking an unfairly large portion of the profit. Steam and the Developers are offering nothing new to the situation. Steam is already hosting the mods and the developer already made the game. They now wish to take 75% of all profit from the mod. If the market gets flooded by low-quality paid mods, the modders will likely make very little and the quality of the game will not be increased. However, Steam and the Developers will make money off of no work on there part. EDIT: So this got a lot more attention than I expected and someone even gilded my comment. I usually dislike edits like this BUT if you agree with the concerns listed here please note that I didn't originally write them, so if you want to show your appreciation also go to the original comment linked at the top and upvote/gild that guy!

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