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Valve: Modders 'absolutely' need to be paid By Evan Lahti 3 hours ago Gabe Newell makes clear Valve's intention to bring back paid mods. Gabe Newell discusses VR Thursday alongside Joe Ludwig (left) and Matt Brown.
Valve: Modders 'absolutely' need to be paid By Evan Lahti 3 hours ago Gabe Newell makes clear Valve's intention to bring back paid mods. Gabe Newell discusses VR Thursday alongside Joe Ludwig (left) and Matt Brown.

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Anonymous 07/19/15 (Sun) 05:28:15 ID: 09434 No. 5022380 225022523 File (hide): 1437294495761 gif (1.23 MB, 348x814, 173:407, 012.gif) this is f------ stupid skyrim (or any game that is modded) can be used as just a tool to express your love for the game or other s--- imagine hat i buy a pencil and paper o draw i spend my time and experence making something hat money i made selling it s of the communityt the people of the community i love can appreciate hen in this case i sell the drawing and ucking aber castell comes knocking my door asking for f------ 75% of the you have already paid for the pencil/game, the rest of the drawing was made by a person, not faber castell. so they have no right to try and profit out of my work. if they want me to make them money, then f------ hire me and give me money yourself
Anonymous 07/19/15 (Sun) 05:28:15 ID: 09434 No. 5022380 225022523 File (hide): 1437294495761 gif (1.23 MB, 348x814, 173:407, 012.gif) this is f------ stupid skyrim (or any game that is modded) can be used as just a tool to express your love for the game or other s--- imagine hat i buy a pencil and paper o draw i spend my time and experence making something hat money i made selling it s of the communityt the people of the community i love can appreciate hen in this case i sell the drawing and ucking aber castell comes knocking my door asking for f------ 75% of the you have already paid for the pencil/game, the rest of the drawing was made by a person, not faber castell. so they have no right to try and profit out of my work. if they want me to make them money, then f------ hire me and give me money yourself

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kingofblahs- 23 hours ago My mod for the community revealed merchant, Dragon Slayer, BI Archer, Social Butterfly, Barbarian, and Rogue. Each one of these were going to have unique starting and victory conditions, alternate objectives to beat the game, as well as unique inventory additions and of course the ability to avoid the opening sequence. Unlike another similar mod, this was going to give real objectives rather than just alternate starts. Too bad because of the children in these forums, I'll be the only one playing it. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm not going to do this for free. Farewell.
kingofblahs- 23 hours ago My mod for the community revealed merchant, Dragon Slayer, BI Archer, Social Butterfly, Barbarian, and Rogue. Each one of these were going to have unique starting and victory conditions, alternate objectives to beat the game, as well as unique inventory additions and of course the ability to avoid the opening sequence. Unlike another similar mod, this was going to give real objectives rather than just alternate starts. Too bad because of the children in these forums, I'll be the only one playing it. It was fun while it lasted, but I'm not going to do this for free. Farewell.

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Corey 9 hours ago μ So we told Gabe to remove the payment feature from the Steam Workshop... he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha! WÖRKSHOP ) STEAM Removing Payment Feature From Surim Wrkshop 27 APRIL ALDEN -pent We're goina to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim monev on Bethesda a inding you the complete amount We've done been shipr share of t is differe r we didn't understand exactly what v he years aimed at allowing comm t, they've been received well. It us now To " e th ught this was a good idea, ..ain goals w on their mods full time if they wanted to, and to e pport to the mod communities. We thought th mod sult in e n tree & pai strike, DayZ more great mods bec wanted tha at ,, like Do en ically for any n er who underestima S, and the addit· !unities pretty well, -differences be 'paid modst。SI . steppin sharing wn game's nunity in success We understa ars old m hink this made us miss the mark
Corey 9 hours ago μ So we told Gabe to remove the payment feature from the Steam Workshop... he actually did it the absolute madman hahahahahahaha! WÖRKSHOP ) STEAM Removing Payment Feature From Surim Wrkshop 27 APRIL ALDEN -pent We're goina to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim monev on Bethesda a inding you the complete amount We've done been shipr share of t is differe r we didn't understand exactly what v he years aimed at allowing comm t, they've been received well. It us now To " e th ught this was a good idea, ..ain goals w on their mods full time if they wanted to, and to e pport to the mod communities. We thought th mod sult in e n tree & pai strike, DayZ more great mods bec wanted tha at ,, like Do en ically for any n er who underestima S, and the addit· !unities pretty well, -differences be 'paid modst。SI . steppin sharing wn game's nunity in success We understa ars old m hink this made us miss the mark

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Why it not a good idea to sell mods

Anonymous 04/27/15 (Mon) 00:08:38 D: 397bff No.3435527 >>3435597 File (hide): 1430107718252.png (188.07 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 1423812741622.png) 3434963 >New market can be built make a living doing what they love >25% community not important when this entire f------ thing has been community driven for 20+ years Have you been paying any f------ attention whatsoever? I'm going to lay this out for you since your deficient brain can't seem to handle why this is a terrible deal for everyone involved (with the exception of valve and bethesda). WHY THIS IS BAD FOR MODDERS This sets the barrier to entry for young, non-financially independent modders impossibly high. In case you've never used a mod in your entire life mods are generally an amalgamation of multiple different mods. You learn from others and borrow parts of their work. Erecting a paywall throws a wrench into this entire process. Cooperation between modders largely will become a thing of the past as a result, as everyone is going to want a piece of that paltry 25% pie. Less and less people will bother becoming proficient at modding as a result, and the scene shrink b-but you can still choose to have a free mod! you don't even need to use the workshop That's b------- as well. Valve has already come out and explicitly stated that someone making a paid workshop modIS ALLOWED TO USE SOMEONE ELSE'S CONTENT, PROVIDED IT IS FREELY AVAILABLEThis will inevitably drive ALL modded content to be posted EXCLUSIVELY on the workshop, for money. Why? Because why the f--- would you make a free mod when some n----- can just come and steal your s---, and then sell it for money himself? You wouldn't The other major implication in all of this is the death of the large scale, multi-person team mods. Imagine a mod like 'Interesting NPCS' getting made under this system. That mod took dozens of people to nish. Imagine having to dole out the 25% amongst all those different people No this is going to encourage nickel and dime b------- DLC content that isn't worth sit. Why would you make any quality content when you're already getting such a s--- cut in the first place? People are going to be chasing the almighty dollar and nothing else. WHY THIS IS BAD FOR CONSUMERS This move is incredibly anti-consumer. Part of the deal with mods was they were an unofficial third party product-they could be expected to not work, to cause any number of complications I've had to troubleshoot dozens of mods myself to get them working. It was just expected, part of the deal, because they were free. This system provides no recourse for broken mods, no quality control. The 24 hour refund is a joke because it refunds you in steam cash, 100% profit for valve It also gives incentive to developers to slack on implementing features that modders can easily fix. What incentive do developers have to develop, say, a functioning PC user interface for their churned out. SkyUI is already proof that this is happening. The newest version is going paid on steam. What's SkyUl you ask? Basically an unofficial patch that makes the Ul f------ usable on PC, because the vanilla one is utter s---. Essentially, if you buy SkyUI, you're buying a f------ patch. Paid mods are only bad news, and you'd have to be a f------ retard to not think so. The correct system (if they actually care about supporting the mod scene) would be to create a very VISIBLE and OPTIONAL donate button where ALL of the proceeds went to the modders, or at east a VAST ma onty 90% t Erecting a pay al is a f------ s--- y de or eve yon involved except for those greedy f------ k----
Anonymous 04/27/15 (Mon) 00:08:38 D: 397bff No.3435527 >>3435597 File (hide): 1430107718252.png (188.07 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 1423812741622.png) 3434963 >New market can be built make a living doing what they love >25% community not important when this entire f------ thing has been community driven for 20+ years Have you been paying any f------ attention whatsoever? I'm going to lay this out for you since your deficient brain can't seem to handle why this is a terrible deal for everyone involved (with the exception of valve and bethesda). WHY THIS IS BAD FOR MODDERS This sets the barrier to entry for young, non-financially independent modders impossibly high. In case you've never used a mod in your entire life mods are generally an amalgamation of multiple different mods. You learn from others and borrow parts of their work. Erecting a paywall throws a wrench into this entire process. Cooperation between modders largely will become a thing of the past as a result, as everyone is going to want a piece of that paltry 25% pie. Less and less people will bother becoming proficient at modding as a result, and the scene shrink b-but you can still choose to have a free mod! you don't even need to use the workshop That's b------- as well. Valve has already come out and explicitly stated that someone making a paid workshop modIS ALLOWED TO USE SOMEONE ELSE'S CONTENT, PROVIDED IT IS FREELY AVAILABLEThis will inevitably drive ALL modded content to be posted EXCLUSIVELY on the workshop, for money. Why? Because why the f--- would you make a free mod when some n----- can just come and steal your s---, and then sell it for money himself? You wouldn't The other major implication in all of this is the death of the large scale, multi-person team mods. Imagine a mod like 'Interesting NPCS' getting made under this system. That mod took dozens of people to nish. Imagine having to dole out the 25% amongst all those different people No this is going to encourage nickel and dime b------- DLC content that isn't worth sit. Why would you make any quality content when you're already getting such a s--- cut in the first place? People are going to be chasing the almighty dollar and nothing else. WHY THIS IS BAD FOR CONSUMERS This move is incredibly anti-consumer. Part of the deal with mods was they were an unofficial third party product-they could be expected to not work, to cause any number of complications I've had to troubleshoot dozens of mods myself to get them working. It was just expected, part of the deal, because they were free. This system provides no recourse for broken mods, no quality control. The 24 hour refund is a joke because it refunds you in steam cash, 100% profit for valve It also gives incentive to developers to slack on implementing features that modders can easily fix. What incentive do developers have to develop, say, a functioning PC user interface for their churned out. SkyUI is already proof that this is happening. The newest version is going paid on steam. What's SkyUl you ask? Basically an unofficial patch that makes the Ul f------ usable on PC, because the vanilla one is utter s---. Essentially, if you buy SkyUI, you're buying a f------ patch. Paid mods are only bad news, and you'd have to be a f------ retard to not think so. The correct system (if they actually care about supporting the mod scene) would be to create a very VISIBLE and OPTIONAL donate button where ALL of the proceeds went to the modders, or at east a VAST ma onty 90% t Erecting a pay al is a f------ s--- y de or eve yon involved except for those greedy f------ k----

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"B-BUT MUH MOD MONEY!!!!"

luxwing PEOPLE CHARGE FOR THEIR MODS ON STEAMI!! W waHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST EXPECT TO MAYBE GET PAID FOR THINGS THEY MAKE? I, THE GAMER, DESERVE ALLTHINGS FOR FREE Yeah and I guess that the modders will get 25% cut from the mod while trim 75%,is totally fair. Not to mention,there will be countless ripoff mods by people who wanna make quick buck and don't even care if the mod is broken or will cash your system Still wanna make some money? Then ask steam for a donation button or start a patreon.not whine about how people don't wanna pay for your mod if it doesn't work.
luxwing PEOPLE CHARGE FOR THEIR MODS ON STEAMI!! W waHAT KIND OF WORLD DO WE LIVE IN WHERE PEOPLE CAN JUST EXPECT TO MAYBE GET PAID FOR THINGS THEY MAKE? I, THE GAMER, DESERVE ALLTHINGS FOR FREE Yeah and I guess that the modders will get 25% cut from the mod while trim 75%,is totally fair. Not to mention,there will be countless ripoff mods by people who wanna make quick buck and don't even care if the mod is broken or will cash your system Still wanna make some money? Then ask steam for a donation button or start a patreon.not whine about how people don't wanna pay for your mod if it doesn't work.

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War on paid mods

War of Mod Monetization Date Location Result 23 April to 27 April, 2015 Steam forums, 4chan, Reddit, NexusMods Decisive Allied victory Belligerents Mod Freedom Alliance Shekel Conspiracy ftesg . rigaming Valve Corporation eGame Journalists e Zenimax Media Assorted Video Game eBethesda Subreddits eGawker Media . Change.org e Nexus Modding Turncoat Modders Community e Forbes e8chan SureA Commanders and leaders Fore SKSE Mod Team Trainwiz Apollodowns & The Creation Kids Cyand Wondel Gabe Newell Garry Newman Mardoxx Robert A. Altman Christopher Weaver Cheskot Strength 130,000 shitposters All the might of two large game corporation Casualties and losses At least S1,000,000 The trust of their 14 modders defected Unknown number of additional mods and authors lost, presumed insignificant Diginity Ink
War of Mod Monetization Date Location Result 23 April to 27 April, 2015 Steam forums, 4chan, Reddit, NexusMods Decisive Allied victory Belligerents Mod Freedom Alliance Shekel Conspiracy ftesg . rigaming Valve Corporation eGame Journalists e Zenimax Media Assorted Video Game eBethesda Subreddits eGawker Media . Change.org e Nexus Modding Turncoat Modders Community e Forbes e8chan SureA Commanders and leaders Fore SKSE Mod Team Trainwiz Apollodowns & The Creation Kids Cyand Wondel Gabe Newell Garry Newman Mardoxx Robert A. Altman Christopher Weaver Cheskot Strength 130,000 shitposters All the might of two large game corporation Casualties and losses At least S1,000,000 The trust of their 14 modders defected Unknown number of additional mods and authors lost, presumed insignificant Diginity Ink

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YOU SHALL KNOW THE FALSE SHEPHERD BY HIS MARK

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What we've learned from all this

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Trust nobody, not even Gaben

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Bethesda's Apology

Why we're trying paid Skyrim mods on Steam (Updated) The Elder Scrolls V SKYRIM CREATION KIT e: 09 WORKSHOP STEAM Update: After discussion with Valve, and listening to our community, paid mods are being removed from Steam Workshop. Even though we had the best intentions, the feedback has been clear this is not a feature you want. Your support means everything to us, and we hear you.
Why we're trying paid Skyrim mods on Steam (Updated) The Elder Scrolls V SKYRIM CREATION KIT e: 09 WORKSHOP STEAM Update: After discussion with Valve, and listening to our community, paid mods are being removed from Steam Workshop. Even though we had the best intentions, the feedback has been clear this is not a feature you want. Your support means everything to us, and we hear you.

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VICTORY!!!!!

Victory Valve: Remove the paid content of the Steam Workshop by Cyand Wondel -133,012 supporters This petition made change with 133,012 supporters! Add a personal message (optional) PETITION UPDATE Victory! Valve: Remove the paid content of the Steam Workshop Cyand Wondel Paramaribo, Suriname f Post to Facebook Apr 27, 2015- Guys I cannot thank you enough of what has happened We won with 133,013 signatures. It has been an honor to have hosted this petition for all of you. Without your support, we would never have achieved victory TWITTER EMAIL We have united and have won. We got Valve and Bethesda to roll back the paywall that they have created and saved our modding community I hope this shows that all of you that if you unite against something and truly to reach for the goal, you will achieve what you have set for I don't want to write too long. I thank you guys and congratulate you on this It has been a pleasure to host this for you Signed Cyand Wondel f Share y Twitter Email
Victory Valve: Remove the paid content of the Steam Workshop by Cyand Wondel -133,012 supporters This petition made change with 133,012 supporters! Add a personal message (optional) PETITION UPDATE Victory! Valve: Remove the paid content of the Steam Workshop Cyand Wondel Paramaribo, Suriname f Post to Facebook Apr 27, 2015- Guys I cannot thank you enough of what has happened We won with 133,013 signatures. It has been an honor to have hosted this petition for all of you. Without your support, we would never have achieved victory TWITTER EMAIL We have united and have won. We got Valve and Bethesda to roll back the paywall that they have created and saved our modding community I hope this shows that all of you that if you unite against something and truly to reach for the goal, you will achieve what you have set for I don't want to write too long. I thank you guys and congratulate you on this It has been a pleasure to host this for you Signed Cyand Wondel f Share y Twitter Email

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Removing Payment Feature From Skyrim Workshop APRIL 27 ALDEN We're going to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim workshop. For anyone who spent money on a mod, we'll be refunding you the complete amount. We talked to the team at Bethesda and they agree. We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing. We've been shipping many features over the years aimed at allowing community creators to receive a share of the rewards, and in the past, they've been received well. It's obvious now that this case is different To help you understand why we thought this was a good idea, our main goals were to allow mod makers the opportunity to work on their mods full time if they wanted to, and to encourage developers to provide better support to their mod communities. We thought this would result in better mods for everyone, both free & paid. We wanted more great mods becoming great products, like Dota, Counter-strike, DayZ, and Killing Floor, and we wanted that to happen organically for any mod maker who wanted to take a shot at it. But we underestimated the differences between our previously successful revenue sharing models, and the addition of paid mods to Skyrim's workshop. We understand our own game's communities pretty well, but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here. Now that you've backed a dump truck of feedback onto our inboxes, w'll be chewing through that, but if you have any further thoughts let us know. d, 688 d, Rate up
Removing Payment Feature From Skyrim Workshop APRIL 27 ALDEN We're going to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim workshop. For anyone who spent money on a mod, we'll be refunding you the complete amount. We talked to the team at Bethesda and they agree. We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing. We've been shipping many features over the years aimed at allowing community creators to receive a share of the rewards, and in the past, they've been received well. It's obvious now that this case is different To help you understand why we thought this was a good idea, our main goals were to allow mod makers the opportunity to work on their mods full time if they wanted to, and to encourage developers to provide better support to their mod communities. We thought this would result in better mods for everyone, both free & paid. We wanted more great mods becoming great products, like Dota, Counter-strike, DayZ, and Killing Floor, and we wanted that to happen organically for any mod maker who wanted to take a shot at it. But we underestimated the differences between our previously successful revenue sharing models, and the addition of paid mods to Skyrim's workshop. We understand our own game's communities pretty well, but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here. Now that you've backed a dump truck of feedback onto our inboxes, w'll be chewing through that, but if you have any further thoughts let us know. d, 688 d, Rate up

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Valve Does Away With Paid Mods

Announc ements Removing Payment Feature From Skyrim Workshop posted by Alden 07:04PM on April 27, 2015 We're going to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim workshop. For anyone who spent money on a mod, we'll be refunding you the complete amount. We talked to the team at Bethesda and they agree We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing. We've been shipping many features over the years aimed at allowing community creators to receive a share of the rewards, and in the past, they've been receⅣed well. It's obvious now that this case is different. To help you understand why we thought this was a good idea, our main goals were to allow mod makers the opportunity to work on their mods full time if they wanted to, and to encourage developers to provide better support to their mod communities. We thought this would result in better mods for everyone, both free & paid. We wanted more great mods becoming great products, like Dota, Counter-strike, DayZ, and Killing Floor, and we wanted that to happen organic ally for any mod maker who wanted to take a shot at it. But we underestimated the differences between our previously successful revenue sharing models, and the addition of paid mods to Skyrim's workshop. We understand our own game's communities pretty well, but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here Now that you've backed a dump truck of feedback onto our inboxes, we'll be chewing through that, but if you have any further thoughts let us know Leave a comment Introducing New Ways to Support Workshop Creators posted by Alden01:07PM on April 23, 2015 See all 2933 comments Content Creators Earn Over $50M Through Steam Workshop, Can Now Earn Money in More Games posted by Alden05:25PM on January 28, 2015 See all 614 comments Steam Workshop Update Adds Voting Queue and Updated Home Pages posted by Alden 05:41PM on November 14, 2014 See all 1175 comments 100 Games Now Using Steam Workshop posted by Alden06:16PM on May 15, 2014 See all 2301 comments View all past announcements
Announc ements Removing Payment Feature From Skyrim Workshop posted by Alden 07:04PM on April 27, 2015 We're going to remove the payment feature from the Skyrim workshop. For anyone who spent money on a mod, we'll be refunding you the complete amount. We talked to the team at Bethesda and they agree We've done this because it's clear we didn't understand exactly what we were doing. We've been shipping many features over the years aimed at allowing community creators to receive a share of the rewards, and in the past, they've been receⅣed well. It's obvious now that this case is different. To help you understand why we thought this was a good idea, our main goals were to allow mod makers the opportunity to work on their mods full time if they wanted to, and to encourage developers to provide better support to their mod communities. We thought this would result in better mods for everyone, both free & paid. We wanted more great mods becoming great products, like Dota, Counter-strike, DayZ, and Killing Floor, and we wanted that to happen organic ally for any mod maker who wanted to take a shot at it. But we underestimated the differences between our previously successful revenue sharing models, and the addition of paid mods to Skyrim's workshop. We understand our own game's communities pretty well, but stepping into an established, years old modding community in Skyrim was probably not the right place to start iterating. We think this made us miss the mark pretty badly, even though we believe there's a useful feature somewhere here Now that you've backed a dump truck of feedback onto our inboxes, we'll be chewing through that, but if you have any further thoughts let us know Leave a comment Introducing New Ways to Support Workshop Creators posted by Alden01:07PM on April 23, 2015 See all 2933 comments Content Creators Earn Over $50M Through Steam Workshop, Can Now Earn Money in More Games posted by Alden05:25PM on January 28, 2015 See all 614 comments Steam Workshop Update Adds Voting Queue and Updated Home Pages posted by Alden 05:41PM on November 14, 2014 See all 1175 comments 100 Games Now Using Steam Workshop posted by Alden06:16PM on May 15, 2014 See all 2301 comments View all past announcements

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Business Perspective of Paid Mods

□ Valve's business practices Concerned /biznessman 04/28/15 Tue)03:48:46 No.292390784 2292393569 >>292392101 >>292392109 >2292392546 >>292392968>>292393062 >>292393196 biz/ here This post(s) will be a bit lengthy, just a heads up. Will do my best to TLDR it We need to talk about Valve No, I'm not talking about whether PC gamers are entitled or not. If you want to argue about that, go to a different thread. I want to talk about how paid mods are going to affect the PC gaming community and Valve. If this is really the best thing for the community Some of you think that paid mods are good for modders and the modding community. That paid mods will create growth in the modding community. I think in the SHORT TERM, this might be true. But in the LONG term, paid mods, under the current system, will be a giant disaster First, some things to point out paid mods are mostly for Valve and Bethesda's benefit, not the modders. >IE modders only take away 25%, and only after they generate $400 mods that break after 24 hours will not be refunded as far as I know, there is no sort of QA system for paid mods, nor is there a system for preventing the assets of another modder being used in a paid mod Got those? Okay, good. Now for he real argument Valve created the Steam Workshop as a place for modders to freely share their mods and resources, with each other, and other gamers. This has always been a free service, both for modders, and consumers. The idea here being that it encourages creativity and helps the community grow Now, Valve and Bethesda are attempting to manipulate that environment to produce monetary gain for themselves WITHOUT creating any new wealth or growth >b-b-but this will help the modding community grow! We'll get to that. Anyways This is known as rent-seeking http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rentseeking.asp >When a company, organization or individual uses their resources to obtain an economic gain from others without reciprocating any benefits back to society through wealth creation Concerned /biznessman 04/28/15(Tue)03:49:39 No.292390869 >-2923921092-2923929682-292393569 The Wikipedia page has a great analogy >http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking >"… a feudal lord who installs a chain across a river that flows through his land and then hires a collector to charge passing boats a fee (or rent of the section of the river for a few minutes) to lower the chain. There is nothing productive about the chain or the collector. The lord has made no improvements to the river and is helping nobody in any way, directly or indirectly, except himself. All he is doing is finding a way to make money from something that used to be free." Other examples include companies lobbying for grants and subsidies from the government (wealth is redistributed from taxpayers to companies, no benefit to taxpayers) and New York City limiting the amount of taxi liscenses to a fixed amount >So why is rent seeking bad, then? Surely since he owns the river he can do whatever he wants with it! You're not entitled to use the river! This is true, legally he can do that, but it doesn't mean it's a good business or economic decision. But why? Rent-seeking does not encourage productivity, and often allows for unproductive, risky behavior. Keep in mind that we're talking about the production of CONTENT, not money For paid mods, the most immediate effect of this is that many authors are pulling their content under the concern that other will steal their resources and use them for profit. This is already happening, so far as I know. People will take precautions to ensure that their goods aren't stolen It's already becoming clear that there is more or less a civil war going on in the modding community Concerned /biznessman 04/28/15(Tue 03:50:55 No.292390990 >>292391 420 >2292392109 >>292392348 >>292392495 >2292392968 >>292393320 >2292393569 risky behavior Rent Seeking allows a huge potential for something called the "Moral Hazard" object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2009/1/cj29n1-12.pdf it's a long read, but worth it >"I might sell you a financial product (e.g., a mortgage) knowing that it is not in your interests to buy it. I might pay myself excessive bonuses out of funds that I am managing on your behalf, or l might take risks that you then have to bear" >"I might take risks that you then have to bear" That last point is important, because it is EXACTLY what Valve is doing with their return policy. They are selling a product that >might be low quality >might be incompatible with your mods >might break in the future due to other installed mods >might break in the future due to official updates might contain content that was used without permission And they are also refusing to provide any sort of QA regarding mods srefusing to refund you if your mod breaks after 24 hours >limiting the amount of mods that you can refund In other words, they are engaging in rather risky behavior, while making the consumer bear that risk. And believe me, when all those nice, paid mods that people purchased break due to an official update, there WILL be blood. If you think this is a bad PR disaster, you haven't seen nothing yet This may be a good cash grab for Valve/Bethesda in he short term, but in the long term this is going to corrupt the community, prevent growth (keep in mind Valve argues that this will grow the community), and result in a PR catastrophe TL DR It doesnt really matter whether PC games are entitled to free mods or not, paid mods are a poor economic decision in the long term because of how the modding community was originally set up and because Valve is doing next to nothing to ensure quality products and good customer service Now go shitpost and ignore everything I said and call me an entitled f-----
□ Valve's business practices Concerned /biznessman 04/28/15 Tue)03:48:46 No.292390784 2292393569 >>292392101 >>292392109 >2292392546 >>292392968>>292393062 >>292393196 biz/ here This post(s) will be a bit lengthy, just a heads up. Will do my best to TLDR it We need to talk about Valve No, I'm not talking about whether PC gamers are entitled or not. If you want to argue about that, go to a different thread. I want to talk about how paid mods are going to affect the PC gaming community and Valve. If this is really the best thing for the community Some of you think that paid mods are good for modders and the modding community. That paid mods will create growth in the modding community. I think in the SHORT TERM, this might be true. But in the LONG term, paid mods, under the current system, will be a giant disaster First, some things to point out paid mods are mostly for Valve and Bethesda's benefit, not the modders. >IE modders only take away 25%, and only after they generate $400 mods that break after 24 hours will not be refunded as far as I know, there is no sort of QA system for paid mods, nor is there a system for preventing the assets of another modder being used in a paid mod Got those? Okay, good. Now for he real argument Valve created the Steam Workshop as a place for modders to freely share their mods and resources, with each other, and other gamers. This has always been a free service, both for modders, and consumers. The idea here being that it encourages creativity and helps the community grow Now, Valve and Bethesda are attempting to manipulate that environment to produce monetary gain for themselves WITHOUT creating any new wealth or growth >b-b-but this will help the modding community grow! We'll get to that. Anyways This is known as rent-seeking http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/rentseeking.asp >When a company, organization or individual uses their resources to obtain an economic gain from others without reciprocating any benefits back to society through wealth creation Concerned /biznessman 04/28/15(Tue)03:49:39 No.292390869 >-2923921092-2923929682-292393569 The Wikipedia page has a great analogy >http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking >"… a feudal lord who installs a chain across a river that flows through his land and then hires a collector to charge passing boats a fee (or rent of the section of the river for a few minutes) to lower the chain. There is nothing productive about the chain or the collector. The lord has made no improvements to the river and is helping nobody in any way, directly or indirectly, except himself. All he is doing is finding a way to make money from something that used to be free." Other examples include companies lobbying for grants and subsidies from the government (wealth is redistributed from taxpayers to companies, no benefit to taxpayers) and New York City limiting the amount of taxi liscenses to a fixed amount >So why is rent seeking bad, then? Surely since he owns the river he can do whatever he wants with it! You're not entitled to use the river! This is true, legally he can do that, but it doesn't mean it's a good business or economic decision. But why? Rent-seeking does not encourage productivity, and often allows for unproductive, risky behavior. Keep in mind that we're talking about the production of CONTENT, not money For paid mods, the most immediate effect of this is that many authors are pulling their content under the concern that other will steal their resources and use them for profit. This is already happening, so far as I know. People will take precautions to ensure that their goods aren't stolen It's already becoming clear that there is more or less a civil war going on in the modding community Concerned /biznessman 04/28/15(Tue 03:50:55 No.292390990 >>292391 420 >2292392109 >>292392348 >>292392495 >2292392968 >>292393320 >2292393569 risky behavior Rent Seeking allows a huge potential for something called the "Moral Hazard" object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/cato-journal/2009/1/cj29n1-12.pdf it's a long read, but worth it >"I might sell you a financial product (e.g., a mortgage) knowing that it is not in your interests to buy it. I might pay myself excessive bonuses out of funds that I am managing on your behalf, or l might take risks that you then have to bear" >"I might take risks that you then have to bear" That last point is important, because it is EXACTLY what Valve is doing with their return policy. They are selling a product that >might be low quality >might be incompatible with your mods >might break in the future due to other installed mods >might break in the future due to official updates might contain content that was used without permission And they are also refusing to provide any sort of QA regarding mods srefusing to refund you if your mod breaks after 24 hours >limiting the amount of mods that you can refund In other words, they are engaging in rather risky behavior, while making the consumer bear that risk. And believe me, when all those nice, paid mods that people purchased break due to an official update, there WILL be blood. If you think this is a bad PR disaster, you haven't seen nothing yet This may be a good cash grab for Valve/Bethesda in he short term, but in the long term this is going to corrupt the community, prevent growth (keep in mind Valve argues that this will grow the community), and result in a PR catastrophe TL DR It doesnt really matter whether PC games are entitled to free mods or not, paid mods are a poor economic decision in the long term because of how the modding community was originally set up and because Valve is doing next to nothing to ensure quality products and good customer service Now go shitpost and ignore everything I said and call me an entitled f-----

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