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Undertale - It Took An Admin, But Faith Was Finally Restored

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SBAllen(Admin) 4 hours ago #1 Howdy all. Ive been watching b8 over the contest and time and time again, I see people talking about vote stuffing, how things cant possibly be as they seem, and so on. I'd like to set the record straight and discuss these rallies. Ill show what they are, explain what they arent, and hopefully that will put an end to it First, let's look at the referral traffic per match for this contest http://i.imgur.com/1Ej81VQ.png You can easily pick out the Undertale matches and can see the effect that the rallies had on both those matches and the surrounding ones. The reddit traffic is generally constant during the contest. It goes up during rallies of course, but not nearly as significantly as other sources. You can see that the Tumblr and Twitter traffic massively spikes during these rallies. Outside of the UT matches, those sources are very small. You can also see that FB became a pretty big rally player near the end once people started reaching out to other sources for rallying. The next 4 referral sources (SA, 4chan, Steam, Smashboards) added just a few sprinkles on top Let's just look at the most recent match of SSBM v UT Here are the top four ISPs (making up over 35% of the total vote) and how they voted Comcast: 48.87% / 51.13% Time Warner: 48.96% / 51.04% AT&T: 46.30% / 53.70% Verizon: 49.41% / 50.59% You can see that these results are all pretty close to the final result. Undertale simply got more votes. It wasn't vote stuffing or any conspiracy, it was actual people coming to the site and voting. Let's actually look into that further Now, to vote in the contest, we require multiple things: A minimum of two pageviews from a JavaScript-enabled browser that accepts and sends back cookies. This blocks the most pedestrian of vote stuffing attempts, as well as ensures that people can't be tricked into voting in the polls by visiting a link off-site To counteract bots and people using multiple devices from one location, we restrict votes to one per IP address for logged-out users, and carefully scrutinize multiple votes for logged-in users. For the Melee/UT battle, multiple votes from the same IP were 709/641 in favor of Melee, so that's not really an issue Now, a few people have mentioned that it's "easy" to stuff votes by simply using different devices (or clearing your cookies) and changing your IP address, even by driving around and using multiple open wi-fi signals to vote. Well, of course a few people are going do that, just because they can, and it's impossible to tell the difference between one person using two devices in two locations and two people doing it But, how many votes can one person could actually get into the system doing this? And remember, by stuffing like this, you'd end up creating clusters of votes from a single area or a narrow range of IP addresses, which are easy to spot (and happens naturally all the time, thanks to cell phone companies re-using narrow blocks of IP addresses typically evening out for both battlers) So, just in case, if we take all of the potential vote "clusters" (more than 10 votes from a single block of 255 neighboring IP addresses) and add them up... it's 2414 1897 for Melee Finally, just for laughs, on Friday we had one last thought: What if there's some rogue botnet that's forging votes through thousands of compromised home computers? So, we set up one last gasp attempt to catch this phantom vote-stuffer, throwing in an additional hash into the voting script right in the middle of an Undertale rally that would have immediately exposed any voters not actually using a live web browser. And it didnt catch a thing. Well, it did catch one registered user (who we refuse to give any additional publicity to) that apparently tries to get the very first vote each day via curl script So, from a technical perspective, there's nothing suspicious about the incoming votes, and definitely nothing favoring one side over the other. Real vote stuffing (where a small number of people vote a large number of times) leaves clues and signs, and there arent any. We've chased down every lead, and explored every possibility. We didn't believe Undertale's fanbase was capable of this at first either, and nobody else saw this coming but the 124 people who picked it to win the contest (making it the 17th most popular IC And remember, it's all just a big popularity contest, and we all know that the actual Best. Game. Ever. is Final Fantasy IV. Tomorrow will be a fun day of Grudge Matches, so hopefully you'll all enjoy that

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PusherButton

Dec 15, 2015 at 08:29PM EST

When people witch hunt a game, believing the voters are cheating, and evidence turns up that not only did the voters not cheat, but that the voters of a different game did cheat, but still lost, you know they done fucked up.

Freakenstein Moderator

Dec 15, 2015 at 07:11PM EST

>Mfw Melee voters had more vote clusters (aka they were ballot stuffing) than Undertale on trying to out-vote Undertale:

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