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My ideas/proposition to help fix KYM (and possibly meme culture)

Last posted Dec 11, 2019 at 07:51AM EST. Added Nov 12, 2019 at 04:07PM EST
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I feel that Know Your Meme has fallen a bit on hard times as of late, and with this post, I am proposing some things that I hope the site staff will take into greater consideration in the future. If everything goes to plan, we could potentially save the site from become a further husk of its former self and (maybe) save meme culture. Maybe you won’t agree with all of this, but hey, it’s worth a shot.

• Place less of an emphasis on Twitter memes
Let’s face the ugly truth: Twitter has become the site for most OC we see today, or at least, that’s how it seems. Twitter’s form factor has led to people simplifying their ideas and thoughts, and by extension, their content. Let me ask you a question: what made memes from the Turn of the last decade so great? For my money, it’s because they had a tad bit more “artistry” put into them compared to just simply typing “When…” and then posting an image from a movie or TV show. Some memes from the previous generations took a simple template and made their own spin on it. I’m not referring to Twitter-caption memes, but rather stuff like Caramelldansen, Nyan Cat, Gyate Gyate, etc.

• Find memes that place a greater emphasis on creativity
From what I’ve seen, part of the reason most modern memes don’t last that long is because of how simple and cookie-cutter they are. I’m sure you’ve seen a couple memes that have poked fun at how many “thing I don’t like” memes there are, or how many “wojak” memes there are. Meanwhile, memes like

• Quote-based memes work
Say what you will about Avengers Infinity War & Endgame, but those two movies were meme juggernauts. Fans of the movies are still quoting the two movies, to the point where quotes like “Gone, reduced to atoms” or “I see this as an absolute win” could become the next “Over 9000” or “Boom shacka lacka.” Really, quotes from movies and tv shows have existed as memes since the early days of the internet, and in turn, tie into the whole “in-joke” aspect that a good number of early memes had.

• Place less of an emphasis on Politics and/or political events
This is the big one. I personally feel that meme culture has become to engrossed in politics. As a guy who doesn’t really care about such things, I feel we would be better off separating the two, especially since some users here tend to get very hostile when discussing political topics.
The best idea I can currently think of is to create a new site on the CheezBurger network that is similar to Know Your Meme but is instead centered about politics or political events. That way, we can still have political articles while allowing KYM to breathe a life of its own, separate from politics. In a way, a grassroots political news site would also be appealing in of itself to a new kind of audience. Same goes for controversies.

• Make a greater effort to document memes outside of Twitter
I will be using the Mio Honda Fried Chicken video as reference here. See, the video was originally posted to Twitter, sure, but the video really blew up iFunny, a site notorious for low-quality or stolen content. But in this case, iFunny actually made a meme that somehow surpassed anything Twitter has put out in the past 6-8 months. If we’re going to expand meme culture beyond what it is right now, we have to look at the entire internet as a whole, not just Twitter, or what other social media platforms are popular right now. Think about it for a minute or two: how many of today’s memes have come from Twitter or Reddit? Now compare to the number of memes that come from other sites. Finding new sites with possibly better form factors for OC would be greatly appricated

• Make a greater effort to document memes from other countries
Back in “the day”, memes like Geddan and Fukkiretta didn’t just magically materialize, they took off in their home country of origin before being picked up by internet users overseas. In my opinion, one of the best aspects on the Internet is the way it pierces through cultural boundaries. It makes me curious as to why this kind of stuff doesn’t take off as often anymore, especially since social media has made it far easier to get in touch with people despite language barriers.
What has Japan been up to meme-wise, anyway? How about Italy? Brazil? China? It would be something very interesting to investigate IMO.
One way to get this specific idea on the right track is to investigate NicoNico Douga. Those suckers have so passionate when it comes to memes, they make full on music medleys featuring what’s popular at the time. It’s great.

• Bring back the old "top galleries" format
I honestly feel this would help. I can't say the same thing about others, but it was really helpful to have the top image galleries be the "Top 20" rather than the Top 8. If even one mildly-exciting thing snuck into the top 20, I may check it out and find something I never thought I would enjoy before. I think this could work with other users as well. The old top galleries format also displayed how many views each gallery was getting, and I'd like that too, but it's not as important.

“Maybe” ideas (These ideas aren’t required, but I’d be interested in seeing how they would play out):
• Reopen the Alternate Universe, Ruined Childhood, Childhood enhanced, and Cringeworthy galleries
I know. I know these galleries got out of hand after a while, and strayed far from their original intentions, but for what it’s worth, these galleries were a quintessential part of KYM back in the day, for better or worse. I wonder how these galleries would be treated if they were reopened.

• Try not to monetize memes
Seriously guys, do we need KYM merch? Or meme merch in general? Take it from me, when a meme gets merch of it made, that’s pretty much a sign it’s time to move on.

I will edit the document based of off feedback of users or add any new ideas I get. I hope you really read over, discuss, and consider the ideas I have brought to the table. Thank you.

Tl;dr: stop going on twitter you friccin morons

Last edited Nov 12, 2019 at 04:17PM EST

You have a very rose tinted view of old memes. I remember rage comics and advice animal memes being everywhere and hated because of the reasons you describe why modern memes are so bad.

Meme culture in its heyday (before 2011) isn't coming back. The Internet is not a sekrit club anymore, so popular culture and social media overwhelmingly determines what goes on here now.

A 'old' or 'faithful' KYM sounds nice in theory, but it only coalesced by being in the right place at the right time. It was nice, though.

One more thing, reopening those fucking awful image dump galleries is very cringe and bluepilled.

Thanks!

We have a variety of content types, and if you want to see something else, the best way is to make your own entries or recruit some other user who can.

I'm not saying it's the only way but go ahead and make some entries and then we'll check in. If they get traffic that will not escape our attention.

most memes coming from Reddit or Twitter just comes from the fact that, well, those are the biggest and most popular sites atm, it isn't something that KYM staff can control, whatever is the big thing, they gotta document it, no matter where it comes from.

Place less of an emphasis on Twitter memes

Make a greater effort to document memes outside of Twitter

Find memes that place a greater emphasis on creativity

Place less of an emphasis on Politics and/or political events

Ultimately the internet is lazy, and not everyone has the creative skill or time to make art memes or photoshop work. Like with Image Macros, Twitter memes are easy entry level for everyone to contribute to, making creation easy and spread even easier.

As much as I'd love to see Twitter get creative or see more art or photoshop memes, ultimately this is an issue with meme culture in general. KYM adds entries based on the traffic they gather, and scouring the web for creative memes doesn't really get you your daily clicks and article quota. Thus what is trending is added, not always what is the most fun. Believe me when I say the staff loathes adding these entries, but it's their job in the end.

Make a greater effort to document memes from other countries

This would require insane expansion of the staff team. Generally foreign memes get on our radar thanks to users or mods from other countries contributing such memes, as they have more eye for these things.

It's why I love that KYM has user-submitted entries. But if it's not used, you get no gain out of it. Even a shitty baby entry is a contribution, just get it on our radar and fill a gallery.

Bring back the old "top galleries" format

I think there is definitely room for improvement there, can't add much other than a nod.

Try not to monetize memes

KYM is expanding beyond just documentation and something needs to pay the bills. Selling merc might not be loved by everyone, but if shit sells, shit sells. Who knows what the future may bring.

Reopen the Alternate Universe, Ruined Childhood, Childhood enhanced, and Cringeworthy galleries

Eh, I'm open to it. Sometimes you gotta bully lesser mods into submission to flaunt how you own their soul.

Last edited Nov 22, 2019 at 04:35AM EST

Arcadenblog wrote:

We don't have that already?

No and for good reason. It's going to be abused. Can you imagine 20+ people reporting a post/image that doesn't violate a rule but they don't like the person/content depicted; because if so, then you can see why it shouldn't be implemented. As commonly known that there are a few "personalities" on the site that have cronies by the dozen who would not hesitate to use the system on whomever they dislike.

Carrie Enright wrote:

No and for good reason. It's going to be abused. Can you imagine 20+ people reporting a post/image that doesn't violate a rule but they don't like the person/content depicted; because if so, then you can see why it shouldn't be implemented. As commonly known that there are a few "personalities" on the site that have cronies by the dozen who would not hesitate to use the system on whomever they dislike.

you know that time when a wolf was whining about pictures of hot dudes getting downvoted? imagine that but having it falsely reported because someone got offended by that. not like it's gonna happen, i feel like kym has matured over time and weren't the den of horny straight frat boys back in the old days.

Kappapeachie wrote:

you know that time when a wolf was whining about pictures of hot dudes getting downvoted? imagine that but having it falsely reported because someone got offended by that. not like it's gonna happen, i feel like kym has matured over time and weren't the den of horny straight frat boys back in the old days.

'KYM has matured'
that’s an extremely bold claim for you to make, the user base of this place are as angry and neurotic as they were a year before. If I had a penny for every user who got mad over a meme / sent a death threat / devoted their entire persona to discrediting and/or advocating a meme, I’d have about three fifty.

Some Buddy wrote:

most memes coming from Reddit or Twitter just comes from the fact that, well, those are the biggest and most popular sites atm, it isn't something that KYM staff can control, whatever is the big thing, they gotta document it, no matter where it comes from.

But most memes from there recently are exclusive to a certain subreddit or the trending hashtags for a day; they have no lasting impact on culture and do not deserve to be remembered.

Knightshade wrote:

But most memes from there recently are exclusive to a certain subreddit or the trending hashtags for a day; they have no lasting impact on culture and do not deserve to be remembered.

The thing with memes is that they can be very unpredictable. You have memes which appear like they'll never take off and then years down the line someone finds a few examples and gives a creative twist to a formerly dead meme. At that stage you will be happy you had it documented years earlier.

Ricardo was one such example, starting out as a music remix meme in Japan until people suddenly revived it. Most Gachimuchi memes were initially niche, but nowadays are practically common. Another example is Loss, the earliest examples mostly mocking the comic with nothing of note but later everything became a Loss edit. Padoru didn't appear like anything of note for the Western web, but nowadays Christmas isn't the same without Nero Claudius blasting through your screen. Hell, fucking Rage Faces are appearing to get new life breathed into them.

You can't tell what becomes big and what is forever forgotten, which is the one reason the Submission/Confirmed structure of KYM still works despite how underused it is. If it never grows, it's never confirmed.

And what new entries do you rather see getting created on KYM then? Listicles? The parent company of KYM owns Cracked. I can pull some strings, make a Padoru listicle. Name your target and price, I can ruin any meme.

Last edited Dec 04, 2019 at 07:55AM EST

Artichoke wrote:

'KYM has matured'
that’s an extremely bold claim for you to make, the user base of this place are as angry and neurotic as they were a year before. If I had a penny for every user who got mad over a meme / sent a death threat / devoted their entire persona to discrediting and/or advocating a meme, I’d have about three fifty.

I admit that some folks on here can be quite toxic as fuck and super obnoxious when it comes to certain things. The kym comment section Especially. But the thing is times changed. I still might not see myself posting any artwork depicting good looking man on here.

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