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I know this is a highly opinionated thread, but-

As I was saying, this is just from what I've seen as a older user that is probably too old to use a meme website, but as someone that's been using the internet for twenty five years and has been a member of fandoms towards a couple geeky things for a while:
A long term trend I've noticed is that a lot of the media and stories internet culture are putting are getting concept wise diversified. Back when I first started using the internet stuff like anime or such was considered "super hardcore". Ten years ago stuff like furries or transgender pictures were considered "super hardcore". Five years ago monster girls and traps were considered super hardcore by internet standards.
I don't know what the new thing is going to be, but if you'd like to take a shot in the dark as to what is going to be the next internet phenomenon go ahead.

There's also a trend of how it's slowly seeping into mainstream culture.
Ten years ago we had movies about a werewolf and a vampire competing for a teenage girls affection.
There was a bunch of movies involving humans dating robots.
There was a couple of movies involving humans dating aliens.
There's been a couple of movies involving humans having romantic relationships with mythical creatures.
A couple years ago we had a movie about a zombie falling in love with a human.
I would not be surprised if we get a romcom in the next few years about like a fox woman or such and a hot guy or a movie about a fox guy and a hot woman.

I know I'm drastically oversimplifying, but those are the most notable examples to clearly point out what I mean.

Counting how vampires and gods were sexualized since their conception, I wouldn't consider this a new development really. Many of us are attracted to things stronger and more exotic than ourselves this has been such since ancient times.

I agree it's been around since the creation of society, however the past couple hundreds of years there was a drastic push against sexualization of many things with it only reversing in the past few decades.

It's just a theory, but it's a damn good one, you know the mythology of succubus? The original lore was that it was a demon that would attack men while they're somewhat asleep and the men would be unable to move. Most people who have waking dreams go through sleep paralysis in which they have vivid hallucinations and are unable to move. People during that era were probably so repressed that their only outlet was wetdreams, but if you have a wetdream while you're having a waking dream it's like a bad acid trip; not enjoyable and the chick in your dream her face busts open and reveals a bunch of teeth. (If you want to know the story of that my accreditation was upcomming and I was up for four days… Needless to say when I eventually went to sleep I did not have a fun dream)

Right, these fetishes have always existed but the shame related to them has reduced, back in the past succubus where portrayed as evil, creepy and a scapegoat but you could certainly see the fetishistic side.Mean while nowadays they appear most prominently in hentai and is considered a rather tame fetish.

To me, what it is becoming is pretty disgusting. Every bloody thing somehow become a fetish and instead of keeping that shit in their room, they swing it around in public with pride like those pillocks who take their waifu bodypillows everywhere.

Back then, there was a sense of adventure and camaraderie in fictions like RAVE, Ranma, etc. A new world. Now, lots of stuffs are pretty much trendfollowing waifu-bait rubbish. It was moe blob in early 2000, then incest fest in the late 2000s, then it is monstergirls, and now is isekai in 2010s (random people getting thrown into magical medieval fantasy world).

Things are getting too hyper-sexualised. We all know we have our own shit, we kept quiet because of the basic human decency and etiquette. Now people boast about their own disgusting shit and show their stupid pride for it. That is why shit like Rainfurrest happened, idiots carrying bodypillows, deviants who sue the city and some bloody how earned the right to twist his nipples for show in the subway to others disgust.

Worst, everything wrong is being justified and rationalised to the point that people throw away their basic decency and common sense. Some people are not capable of differentiating fantasies and real worlds and we got arseholes like Destiny and other radical elements advocating legal incest and sexual relations with children ("if they consent, it is their rights, right?")

@Clownfish
The thing about human sexual perversion is that this is how humanity IS

It's not just a geek culture thing, rather that humanity has always been a bunch of horny people. If you think I'm joking there's stuff written on the Aurelian walls about how many times people had sex against it.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions

Well, yeah.

Things from 10ish years ago like traps, monster girls, and furry art were considered taboo to most but are becoming more accept. Hell, I see more and more people joke about incest and lolicon, saying things like, "Incest is wincest." and, "Ain't illegal if they're 900 years old."

I wouldn't consider that an opinion. That's pretty much whats happening. I'm not sure what you're implying with it. I read what you wrote and you'd didn't mention of this was a bad thing or not, or if something should be done about it.

"I read what you wrote and you’d didn't mention of this was a bad thing or not, or if something should be done about it."
I didn't say if it was a good thing or a bad thing or if something should be done about it; it's just a observation about in which direction things are going.

The word you're looking for is "impartial".

@YourHigherBrainFunctions
Yes, it is a part of humanity. No denying it. But it does not mean we have to boast it around, part of why that empire fell was the moral decay and why the late-middle age and the renaissance was sweet because we have things called high culture, nobility (not in class, but in our proper conducts and characters), and decency. If people want to discuss their fetish, then they are free do so in appropriate places such as private clubs, their own houses, or some dank internet place please, I will not stop them.

The reason why the ancient roman empire fell was a multitude of economic and governmental problems. The biggest of which was that they developed the habit of hiring mercenaries to fight wars; the problem with hiring mercs is that they're pretty expensive and they're only as loyal so long as you're paying them. There was also problems with the senate in which they later on were controlled by the wealthy and ignored growing economic problems for literally hundreds of years. There was also the problem with how they relied to much on slave labor; what we've found out in the last two hundred years is that depending on slave labor drastically nerfs your economic growth, cause the revenue that working class could have used to pump back into the economy was all being pooled into a small group of people.

I could go on, but you get the point. The roman empire fell cause of numerous long term economic, military and governmental problems that were ignored for hundreds of years. How Rome got sacked was just the final nail in the coffin.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions
I got it, that is why I said part of it. I was being too wordy, what I meant to say is extreme decadency and within that is sexual deviancy and its acceptance are part of the package that makes it fall. Small cracks that become a breach.

Sorry for being sidetracking. My opinion is still: "Stop hyper-sexualising cultures and be proud about it. It is unbecoming." though.

I'm not trying to be rude, but a example of why that's a bad idea is that when I first joined the Furry Fandom there was this group that called themselves "Burned Furs" what they believed was that since the furry fandom was based off anthropomorphic cartoon animals it's unbecoming of the furry fandom to be so flooded with porn. It backfired massively, this is just a observation but from what I saw before all that stuff went down only about 20% of the furry fandom was in it for the porn… yeahhh… Another example of this is relatively recently and with how people were complaining about sex in video games. "I don't know what you mean by this" Well recent estimates into the video game porn industry places that the video game porn industry by 2022 will be worth about 2 billion dollars usd; currently websites like nutaku and such are worth 150 million, even the creators of the oculus are stating a interest in the pornography industry for their devices. While you can argue that correlation doesn't automatically mean causation it is one hell of a coincidence to the point you can't ignore the possibility.

Tldr; I have my own personal opinions on this, which I haven't stated yet, but from the four instances of such events happening I have seen if you try and FORCE someone to stop looking at porn chances are it's going to backfire. Like how in Iran the most commonly search tag for every porn site is "gay".

@YourHigherBrainFunctions
Forcing someone to stop something is a futile task (especially porn), this I recognise. People will not truly stop unless they want to stop it themselves. Back in the days of high culture, people then were the same as today, but social norms dictated that the unsavoury and raunchy elements be kept away from the public and decency is praised. The result was nobility being a trait and conduct in people, not just in societal class.

Now that some circle are starting to embrace those elements and encouraging open display and forcing publics acceptance such as tumblrs anti-"kink shaming" antics; otakus out in the open carrying pillows, though fortunately most of them limit themselves to their own events and venues such as anime conventions and Akihabara and do not raise so much ruckus like tumblr, but still worrying nonetheless.

Also profit and the size of the industry ≠ good. Illegal drug industry is doing swell, it does not mean that it is good. The Rule of the First Adopters and Sex Sells and the race to maximise the profits and all that.

For me, it this the stop gap for when we go too far, the emergency brake of the culture is being removed, or challenged by some to be removed. And that is not a good thing in my opinion. The there things that changes, and things that do not changes; lines that should never be crossed.

I wish to break down my piece into two parts for easier reading. Sorry for double posting.

First of all this:

Remember him and the meme "Anime was a mistake."? He was spot on. And so do you about pornography circle in any industry that they are booming.

Most media are made to make money. What rakes in the most cash? Fan services and trends. Miyazaki Hayao said it himself, most of the animes lately are produced by those who cannot look at other humans, their works, their characters are caricature of human life stereotyped to be maximum. Yet those strikes within the fetish zones of the otakus, whom culture revolves around that. They are the main consumer of those products and companies follow the trails of their money.

In pursuit of profit, the result being a culture turned into a commodity. Cookie cutter design one after another to minimise loss of profit, forsaking experimentation and exploration of art in doing so. The recent modern animes I watched and think they were good are Hanasaku Iroha, and Mary and the Witch Flower. They are good because those are: for the former, the result of studious research into real human interactions which relates with us viewers; the latter, driven art direction which breaks the mold and polished to the point that it is not just presentable but also a pleasure to watch as well.

This is pretty much how a culture deteriorates: patrons who sought fetishes and sexualisation and artists who sought profit. They both have one thing in common; that is they both have thrown away their nobility, wholesomeness, and decency.

@Clownfish
You know; I can see why people threw such a shitfit about sex in video games now, it creates a consumer base that you know will exist no matter what.

Before someone goes "well you're being bias" I didn't say whether or not this is good, rather that clownfish has to a extent a point that sex creates a definitive consumer base that will buy your product. Often times with mass media there's instances of companies making mass media finding out after they push out a product it turns out that that's not what consumers wanted.

From a financial standpoint it's a good thing.
From a moral standpoint it's up to the individual person's morals as to whether or not they believe it to be good.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions
Glad to be having this conversation. It has been fun and nice way to spend an empty day-off.

From my standpoint. I think it is a bad thing, pornography in general. It is very addicting, indulging in it gives you pleasure and no drawbacks or pain after ward . It is very accessible to the point of terrifying, especially in these days where smart-phones are ubiquitous.

It is also the main causes of worrisome fetishes because the unlimited novelty they presents and infinite variety it offers. Most starts off vanilla, then femdom, trap, futa-on-trap, etc. People starts to crave more of the novelty, of the taboo (like incest). Some get detached from reality and bought into traps meme for real.

Also, it is also the cause of lower birthrates and marriage. Why go out in real life and engage in courtship which is difficult as one have to groom oneself properly, moderately successful, responsible to the partner; when one have an entire harem at their fingertip. Having pangs for blondes? Go for it. Want some flat chests? Double click and grab dick. And so on. Also a root of social anxiety when dealing with opposite sex.

Fine example of those porn addicts are pretty much the imageboard communities. Some are professed NEETs, shut-ins; most of them confessed having extreme fetishes such as: vores, furry, dickgirls, ponies, etc.

Yes, healthy sex drive is a picture of health. We all have urges, but what people also need is self-restraint and discipline to stop themselves from going too far. The societal regard to open deviancy as bad is to help keep those in check as another stop. The encouragement to open deviancy, advent of the internet and places where the like minded gather and ban all other opposing opinions which can serve as a brake before things are too late like tumblr or dark website for fetishes is like a closed pond which the water gets murky and the denizens get deformed. Those are dangerous places, not just for sexual fetishes, but for ideas and discussion in general as well like "safe spaces", but this is a story for another time.

All in all, removing the limits mean some people with unhealthy fetish will feel justified and encouraged in the their direction and are likely to push the boundaries further from tolerance, to public acceptance, then glorification of it. Society need a brake and stop gaps to reflect upon itself every now and then.

If all those things are rightful and good, then why the forced acceptance and tolerance in the open in the first place? And why the need to hide it in the first place by nature?

With that said. I am okay with some risqué done tastefully. But blatant excess is bad. Like alcohol, fine in very small amount and of high quality, gives you some incentive in fine socialisation and charisma with minimal harm to health and knowing your stuffs and limits is a good taste; excessive amount and bad quality is a common hooch that tastes like piss, makes a you a drunk alcoholic with a troll-like charm.

"Also, it is also the cause of lower birthrates and marriage. Why go out in real life and engage in courtship which is difficult as one have to groom oneself properly, moderately successful, responsible to the partner; when one have an entire harem at their fingertip. Having pangs for blondes? Go for it. Want some flat chests? Double click and grab dick. And so on. Also a root of social anxiety when dealing with opposite sex."

I can see how that is not good mentally, but lower birthrates are maybe a good thing? And not all marriages end well, maybe its partially good for society at least ecologically?

“Also, it is also the cause of lower birthrates and marriage. Why go out in real life and engage in courtship which is difficult as one have to groom oneself properly, moderately successful, responsible to the partner; when one have an entire harem at their fingertip. Having pangs for blondes? Go for it. Want some flat chests? Double click and grab dick. And so on. Also a root of social anxiety when dealing with opposite sex.”

To be fair like half of modern women are sluts who have a new boyfriend they "totally love" every 6 months or just straight up indulge in sleeping around/being the town bycicle, and then when they're washed up old hags in their 30s that's when they go after something """""serious"""". Why would anyone go after that when they have a pure waifu to project their feelings upon?

Degenerates.

NO!:
I can see how that is not good mentally, but lower birthrates are maybe a good thing? And not all marriages end well, maybe its partially good for society at least ecologically?

Not really. First world western countries, especially European countries have already achieved a natural equilibrium with their population, production, and consumption. The overpopulation problem mostly stems from third world countries, China, and India. Last time I checked, Denmark has 5 million, France has 66 million, UK has 65 million; China 1.3 billion, India 1.1 billion, Indonesia 260 million.

Lower birthrate excuse was also used by some bankers and some certain groups who stand to gain from bringing in "refugees/immigrants" to "fill in the gap" and "increase economy". Pure. Bollocks.

Each immigrant is both a consumer and borrower, they can be burdened with debt to buy houses and cars the natives do not buy much because of the equilibrium/stabilised growth. Immigrant also increases labour supply, driving down cost of labour. Which means immigrants make tons of money while also lowering the wage to be paid by the employers and corporates who give absolutely zero fuck about effects on the demographic and long term consequences. This leads to instability. Also the price are paid by the natives, the housing price spikes, wages got lowered, higher taxation to provide for the massive amount of immigrants.

All of this while some gain huge profit. The birthrates are not the problem. Some greedy corporate and banker fucks who deserved to be tied to the rope tied to an ATV driving through a cactus patch are.

This shit is a devilishly devious massive money-making scheme with a humanitarian agenda cover to shield themselves from criticisms, complains, and opposition. While simultaneously fucking over European nations and endangering the survival of the natives at the same time. If this does not smell like a conspiracy I do not know what else is.

Sidetracked … pardon me.

Chrollo Lucilfer:
To be fair like half of modern women are sluts who have a new boyfriend they “totally love” every 6 months or just straight up indulge in sleeping around/being the town bycicle, and then when they’re washed up old hags in their 30s that’s when they go after something """""serious"""". Why would anyone go after that when they have a pure waifu to project their feelings upon?

I am just going to leave this here.

tl;dr Free sex culture was a mistake. And divorce is there to make issues worse. They make marriage minor issue since divorce provides easy way out and made promiscuity a ridiculous notion since "everybody do it" is a meme.

So what I'm getting from the rest of this thread is, people are overexposing themselves. I suppose that's true and some things are most definetly brought up where they shouldn't be, but you got to understand that's just a consequence of the chaotic nature of the internet. Freedom ain't free.

@Chrollo
"but you got to understand that’s just a consequence of the chaotic nature of the internet."
Yup. A system in which chaos reigns is fair, but at the same time allows for things that many people disagree with to thrive.

Clownfish's initial post already took the words from me, so that's my opinion on the matter.

It's like kinkshaming kinkshaming is going to be the new norm now. Everything has to be lewd all the time, and it's fucking disgusting.
I used to really enjoy this website, and maybe even a lot others back when it was, y'know, used for the right purpose. But now…

This is my personal opinion, but I think what is going to happen is that this situation gets extremely prevalent before it finally levels out, especially with video games.

An example of what I mean is that in 2000 to 2006 the most popular genre of anime was mecha; in 2007 the anime industry crashed for multiple reasons. First of all the recession forced companies to make shorter anime which didn't work with a lot of tv shows, second a lot of anime being put out in the west were old shows and 2007 was the year they ran out of popular old shows to license in the west, third was that there was a bubble created by overproduction of mecha. Don't get me wrong, shows like flcl and such were my favorite shows in the 2000's, but if half of the shows a entire industry is putting out is one genre that creates genre fatigue. In 2017 there's only been three highly profitable mecha anime franchises.

"I'm not getting your point"
You know what was the most talked about anime in 2007? Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann
You know what is the most profitable anime in 2017? Love Live

"What does this have to do with video games?"
Well with how development costs that are near $300 million usd are now the norm if one of these games with absurd development costs goes under it's going to set off a chain reaction.

Basically my biased opinion is I think this will eventually happen:
"If we spend $350 million dollars on making a game that means the game is automatically good"
cricket chirps
"Shit"
2025
(satirical but you get the point)

If you think I'm joking the past five years major franchises have died cause of the company fucking up hard enough to kill the franchise; mass effect is dead, dead space is dead, bioshock is dead, silent hill is dead, etc you get the point. Call of Duty almost died (until wwii game), Halo is more or less dead.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions Which means Fanservice might be nex… NO! DON'T KILL PORN! I AM BORED OUT OF MY MIND AS IT IS!

Edit: huh..maybe the problem is not porn, maybe modern life is really boring? So we seek porn in excess, why would it be boring now? I don't know maybe the isolation.

The thing is that in order for it to crash stuff like porn games would have to be by by several magnitudes larger. In order for something to burn out, excluding stuff like economic recessions or such, it has to be either drastically be overproduced or the companies involved have to be incredibly stupid with their money. What I mean by this is currently the porn industry as a whole is worth ten billion dollars usd, I can see it eventually going as high as say twenty billion, in order for it to crash it would have to go as high as say forty billion, cause at that point you're to extreme extents overproducing it, OR the industry would have to be extremely financially mismanaged.

Tldr; the #1 way crashes in genres or mediums happen is people start acting stupid with their money.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions
2007 the anime industry crashed for multiple reasons

Plus, YouTube also was bought out by Google; EA changed its CEO, the old one was a stink but at least has some respect for video game, the new one will sell his mother to slavers for profit; Gurren Lagann was good, but its exposure somehow exploded into edgy 12 years old spewing meme and pretend they were old school CoD: Modern Warfare was released, killing the classic WW2 franchise; Portal was released (game was good, but overglorified by the new "hipster geeks"; ActivisionBlizzard merger and also bought themselves out from Vivendi, killing WoW since Lich King and putting other franchises that Activision published on hospice such as Gun and Guitar Hero.

2007, it was the year mega corporations and high functioning sociopaths put their stinky hands into a pool that is geek culture and feel the potential for dosh.

Within a half a decade, the entire hobby became a decadent shithole, and old grognards ostracised and told to "get on with the times" by the new hipsters who were brought in and they only care about trends but not the culture and its history. Then GooberGate happened and the rest is history.

@NO!
Just lay off porn and find something else to do.

PS. And I thought this day could not get any worse. LotR is about to get lore-raped to hell and back

I don't think anyone needs to bring up an article, or historic economics of a ancient society, to back up their claim as to why people are overexposing their jack off material. Imma go ahead and say this influx of these casual people getting into rule 34, furry porn, and hentai…even loli…has everything to do with the quality of the porn being 50x better and easier to access than it was about 10 years ago.

Around 2000-2010 if you ever wanted to see anything lewd on the internet, that wasn't straight up real life porn, you'd have to willingly go on a site called hentaixxxtreme.org or furrysexdungeon.net and see the most disgusting welcoming page that would mentally scar you. There were no filters, no way to block any of the more extreme materiel, no downvote/upvote algorithm system. No one would even joke about going there, not even as a meme. The only people that would go there and enjoy it were fat shut ins that breathed though their mouth and got cheetos lost in their fat rolls, and everyone assumed them as being such.

Now you got nsfw subreddits and rule34 websites of all kinds that with just 3 simple clicks you can see the all time most favorited posts of any particular type. And you got guys like Diives, plague, ZONE, Mike Inel, minus8 etc drawing and animating sexually explicit 4k, 60fps, crazy hi-res, photo realistsic, perfectly shaded (ya I know I'm being over dramatic) masterpieces which looks better than animation and artwork made by 99% of actual paid animators and art directors that do it as a living. None of these guys at their level that made almost exclusively porn exist mid 2000s, around the time deviantart came about.

My next paragraph will simply say:

Patreon and art commissions.

And that's it.

I wouldn't consider furry porn, hentai, or cartoon r34 in general to be a fetish or an internet paraphillia anymore. Hell, I wouldn't consider someone who likes that stuff to be a furry, a weeb, or porn obsessed shut in. It's just everywhere. It's the N O R M.

@Rednine
That's a good point; it is the norm now.

However my bias personal opinion is that eventually it'll become to the point that disputing that it's not the norm will be crazy talk. "What do I mean by this?" Hentai is as popular as anime as a whole now to the point that it's the top third search result on a lot of porn sites and such. Give it five years and anime will be drastically overtaken.

@RedNine @YourHigherBrainFunctions
Pretty much why this frightens me. Lines are being crossed, things that should not be the norm are becoming the norm because people literally cannot keep their shit in their pants to the point everything else is being drowned in sex-laden contents.

What is next? Legalising bestiality, incest and adult-child relationship? But hey, if society says it is right, then it is right, right? Will any oppositions and devils advocacy deemed bigotry, hate speech, and not being politically correct? And if this path lead straight to madness unchallenged by other viewpoints, what becomes of the culture.

It can become extremely norm for a particular society for all I care, the truth does not change: And that is those people are deeply obsessed with sex and fetishes. Literally sex maniacs.

I don't understand why anybody would post hentai on his Facebook/Twitter or Youtube, is it for shock effect?

Well some people that draw porn they do so to attract commissioners.

The word you're looking for is called "clickbait".

In regards to the whole fanservice thing, I also have a large disdain for it. All it is is Otaku pandering, seen by how a lot of anime and manga today force T&A and panty shots. The fact that almost all the people sexualized in them are women (and typically, only the women) shows just how they're not even trying to hide that it's bait and are half-assing the pandering as well (although if they sexualize the men too, I'll give them points whole-assing their pandering and for equality).

Equal opportunity fanservice: bulges for guys, cameltoe for women :V

You're forgetting the fact that bulges practically don't exist.
It's all being curbstomped by the sheer amount of cameltoe.

I was making a joke.

Nothing wrong with fanservice unless it's zooming in on a butt wtih no context for 15 seconds. If it has context(wich is the case most of the time) I'll just judge it the same way I'd judge any other part of that manga/anime.

I do prefer it when it's not the focus of a scene, though. In my opinion the introduction of Shiro and Sora are in No Game No Life does this pretty well(sorry for the fandub, couldn't find this in japanese)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaQ_Lgf11V4

My personal opinion on fanservice and porn is that it doesn't necessarily mean that a show, game or such is bad OR good. There's plenty of non-porn games that suck, there's plenty of non-porn games that are amazing. There's plenty of porn games that are good, there's plenty of porn games that suck.

"Well then why do so much porn games suck?"
Same reason why so many non-porn games suck: not keeping in mind your budget and time constraints.

Tldr; you can only choose two out of the three below:
Something done fast
Something done cheap
Something done well

Returning to the topic question at hand. I surmise that… No it already happened. We might see and discuss things which are norms to us, since we are somewhat geeks and dabble in geeks culture (meme'ing is also one). But what about those outside the culture? How do they see us though?

If things continue to the sexualised, then people outside would lump geek culture with cartoon sex. We all know that is bollocks, but we cannot really deny it either because sexualised contents are everywhere. Contrary to what you have seen or heard, Japan is not exactly 100% land of anime and its denizens are not 100% otaku or understand otakus culture, that is why there is always sometime drama over anime and stuffs, the most recent being a senator blaming a murder on gory animes (he apologised afterward though).

Inb4, "who gives a fuck what about others think of us" or "who care about normalfags". Wrong. You do not know yourself without knowing the others. What do we affects others as a whole; people consume a lot of sexualised contents, more sexualised contents will be produced and other contents will not be. Others view on the geek culture also influences it and its member more or less.

Like I said earlier, some risqué tastefully is fine. Blatant sexualisation is not.

@Clownfish
"What do we affects others as a whole; people consume a lot of sexualised contents, more sexualised contents will be produced and other contents will not be."
You're not wrong here. Right now the video game porn industry is worth only about $250 million dollars usd, but at the rate the industry is growing within a decade it'll be a multi billion dollar industry.

The problem is that this "hardcore stuff" shouldn't be posted literally everywhere to be seen by everyone. Don't post it on 9gag, don't post it on reddit, don't post it facebook. People who came after, unlike those who first discovered it have no sense of shame.

Here's a short called Pages of Death that was once a lost film. Made quite a bit of news when it was rediscovered.

I timestamped the part I think is most important.

tldr: A girl gets murdered by a young man who belonged to a wealthy family and had a bunch of friends, but started looking at pornography which made him unsociable and twisted his mind. The guy who sold him the magazines was portrayed as being sniveling and conniving, and it's implied he was the main person responsible for the murder, along with the billion dollar porn industry.

We now a days we know better. We know these porn magazines bought at a local convenience store had no influence on anyone that committed real life rape and murder the way the film depicted. Take a psychotic unstable individual and minus the porn – that's no cure. Or Take a normal individual and add the porn – that's no poison.

So although taboo R34 is becoming more mainstream, accessible, and better made, I see arguments like "The next thing we'll start seeing is bestiality, incest or pedophilia be normalized (or the norm) and then legalized." to be a modernization of the argument in Pages of Death. No R34 artist is like the man who sold porn that the convenience store, knowing kids are looking at their work and it's twisting their minds at the cost of getting more money.

I've never heard of someone developing a hentai game get accused of molesting a child, or a well known r34 artist accused of raping and then murdering someone, or a large pedophile ring get exposed in the adult video game industry. But if I check r/news tomorrow I'll see someone else coming forward accusing a Hollywood producer or actor abusing them when they were a kid. Or a famous comedian get accused of drugging and raping 30+ women. Or a politician stalking underaged girls. Or a mega chruch covering up god knows what. Or a famous athlete involved in a dog fighting ring. Or a famous singer beating his gf to a pulp. Those are the people we're actually suppose to look up to. That we have posters of hanging in our bedrooms. I doubt R34 is responsible for their actions or the actions of those who commit heinous crimes that aren't famous because they most likely have never even heard of R34 before.

Cartoon porn, not matter what it depicts, is not going to be responsible for normalizing real pedophilla or incest. Shapes on a 2D surface that looks sexual is nothing to what's happening in the real world. Someone joking in the comment section saying "Ain't illegal if they're 700 years old." or "Incest is wincest" isn't actually on the verge of a metal breakdown and is going to do something horrible and illegal.

Can you say, "Mass shooting are due to video game becoming more violent?"

@RedNine
And tell me, were not those individuals caught are closet porn addicts? A paedophile priest got a whole bunch of child porn on this computer, a politician into bondages, etc.

Pretty much false equivalence in regard to video game. They are entirely different.

Porn are used mainly to masturbate. When you reach orgasm, your brain unleashes a huge amount of neuro-chemical Dopamine. Dopamine is the main drive why people seek sex. Dopamine is linked to reward circuit in our brain, that is why we feel good when we achieved something; in this case, sex, which is what we are engineered to do to survive as a species. So it is natural that finding a mate is a reward in and of itself. It is why we bother shape ourselves up and engage in courtship. To find a mate, and have sex. Dopamine is behind it all.

There is this thing called the "Coolidge Effect". To simply put, if a male mate with a female for some times in succession, he will get bored with lessened release and enthusiasm. Add in another female, he is ready to go like no tomorrow again. Because our genes want to be passed on like mad, and the reward of dopamine is alluring.

Human naturally bond in pair because we are expected to raise our young together along with the mate, but we are not immune to the Coolidge Effect either. Now, we are not all gigolos. Where are we even going to find many "mates" to begin with. That is when porn creeps in, and it is a Coolidge Effect on crack.

Coolidge Effect activates when we find new mates and it increases our performance because of the promise of another dopamine dose. It makes we seek out another with vigour. Now, internet porn has infinite variety to offer and not just in fetishes either. Every little thing like the angle, viewpoint counts because no way we are going to find that in real life.

Dopamine is also released when we see something more arousing than we expected and when that happens it is released like crazy, much more than we normally do. When you have experienced such overdrive, it become a new normal for you as the usual dose does not cut it any more. Why a low-tier carnival when you have Disneyland and Universal Studios Theme Park on crack at your fingertips for free. Pretty much why most people started from vanilla, then gender bender, to then to traps, then to femdom, then to furry, NTR-cuckoldry, mind break, vore, and so on to find even more pleasure.

By then, your real life potential mates seem less and less appealing. Why the avid hentai consumers or those the dankest weebs sometime uses the term 3DPD unironically, become a shut-in, taking Waifu-ism too far and too real and so on. For real-life porn users, most just do not have the drive to find girlfriend, groom themselves proper, etc. Why do so when a harem is available 24/7.

Meanwhile inside the brain. Porn users slowly conditioned themselves like Pavlovs Dog as the reward circuitry get activated like crazy and is hard-linked to your behaviour. Find porn, receive pleasure. Find even more exotic porn, might receive better pleasure. Brain being caked in dopamine which is usually your motivation to do something nice for yourself.

All in all, they result in lowered enthusiasm; tardiness; social-anxiety; lowed sociability; fatigue; irritability; severely lessened testosterone level, making one feeling naturally unattractive to other potential mates and perceived as weak by other males; ED for real life partners; lowered perseverance due to habit of having reward so easy; morphing sexual habits and tastes (aka. deviancy).

It is a deadly psychological addiction to our own neurochemical and the dose is just a hand stroking a dick, easier than going out to buy crack. This is why NoFap is very difficult, if not herculean.

Tell me, did 30 years ago. Do we have crazy mad fetishes like furry, bestiality, vore, dickgirls, ponies etc. At large and easily accessible? And people discussing porn in the open and not too recently literal horsefuckers disgusting the internet years back? Nope. At most it was a swimsuit model, or full-blown underground porn magazine that is very hard to acquire. Things was vanilla. Then it became a norm of that swimsuit models in magazines, BDSM was somewhat accepted, more and more sexual fetishes are being slowly pushed upon society to be accepted. It will not happen in a flash like you think, it happens slowly, morphing society into accepting it as a norm. All this sick shit because, like I said, some people literally cannot keep their shit in their trousers and control themselves, those closet sex maniacs.

R34 artists will draw whatever to rake in dosh. Yes, they have their own things but they have to follow the market too somehow. Like I said earlier: How a culture deteriorates. Patrons who seek sex (in this case porn) or other bad things in general; Artists who seek profit.

Back to the video game thing. Does non-porn video games makes you orgasm like crazy releasing obscene amount of dopamine? Even the feeling at finishing a game, the sense of accomplishment, does not even compare to orgasm in terms of Dopamine being released. Clearing game is not easy and takes time, and if it is easy and of no challenge. We do not feel too good. Or shooting every daemons in Doom give you satisfaction comparable to mini orgasms? Well some do, like some school shooters who wrote in their diary. In those cases however, they are already seriously mentally ill way before meeting video games.

Also, note that porn addicted gamers also find less satisfaction in gaming, driving them to find better games only to find that sense of accomplishment and "feel good". Very common in NEETs, who literally toss one off after another and play video games all day. Coincidence? I think not.

I am going to leave this here in case you want more reading on why porn is utterly bad with no excuse and bunches of researches and evidences to go along.

"And tell me, were not those individuals caught are closet porn addicts? A paedophile priest got a whole bunch of child porn on this computer, a politician into bondages, etc."

No, not all of 'em.

Even if all of them were, I was talking about rule34, more specifically from well known artist that are becoming household names on sites like this, not real CP.

*Insert the copy pasta argument about how lolicon is a victimless crime.

After first coming across rule34 I use to think there was no way in hell these artist are normal guys living like normal people. They had to have obsessive personalities and be distant from reality. After I started following some of them on twitter and watching them stream on twitch, I now see them as people. People are into things for the money, people are into things because it's their passion.

Those priest, politicians, athletes, actors etc wouldn't publicly talk on social media about their CP stash or the underaged kids they've recently abused.

tl:dr (gotta keep it meme)

@rednine
That's a really good point.

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If anything the rise of porn is a good thing. Hell we can't even have important people like politicians being into tame things like furries without people throwing a shitfit. If that's not the definition of society being sexually repressed I don't know what is. The thing is that a lot of people who say "society is losing it's morals" don't realize is that the only reason why society started following such strict anti-sex morals was that back in the day you would get tortured

Reason why western society had such high morals in the 1900's:
"I like another guy giving me anal"
person beaten, tortured, castrated and lobotomized

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I'm not joking by the way; by 1950 tens of thousands of people in the west got double lobotomies for "sexual perversion". Also the father of the internet was chemically castrated for being gay.

While I agree with rednine, I want to correct you on something: the politician incident wasn't just because he was a furry – it was because he was also a straight-up rape fetishist, and…yeah.

@ultimus
I didn't hear about that.

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Looking back at history I think the only reason why the west ever wasn't sexually perverted was that anti-sexuality people before the 1950's/1960's would torture people. How perverted the west currently is and how likely over time the west will get even more perverted is how western society is supposed to be.

@YourHigherBrainFunctions
Does not mean it should be though. I do not agree with torture from back then either as a deterrent either. I do believe that a better way is to show why porn is bad for human being in the first place. I am not against sex, I am against pornography and all the fallout that comes with it and a lot of things. And things that went wrong with society, porn has something to do with it.

These guys can explain all the details better than me: