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Teens, channers, old farts and internet privacy

Last posted Jul 27, 2010 at 01:54AM EDT. Added Jul 19, 2010 at 03:10PM EDT
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The recent development of the Jessi Slaughter event, and meme, made me remember about a somewhat constant debate existing in internet articles since 2006 at least.

I, also recently, stumbled upon a couple of French articles from Le Monde, a well-known French newspaper, entitled "The young fools talk to the old farts (short version)", dating from the 11th of January 2010.

Yeah, it's a French article, but quoting different English ones:

- Danah Boyd's Erosion of Youth privacy from 2006
- 2008's Text Generation Gap from the NY Times
- Kids, Internet and the end of privacy from NY Mag.

I also saw a link to one of Kenyatta Cheese's interview in which he talks about Jessi Slaughter and the fact she may have become resistant to slanders and bullying words.

In brief, the Le Monde's article is debating on the fact that our parents have become superprotective to us and very afraid/careful toward what Internet is.
On the contrary, the fact that many young people prefer exposing themselves on the web (Facebook, among other websites) tends to show, to the writer, some signs of likeness with what our grandparents exprimented during the Sexual Revolution

According to him, it's more likely that, actually, the young generation is blunt/bored by the concept of "privacy" and, because of it, they have a hard time seeing why the growing "total control and watchful system" phenomenon of the net can become treacherous.
In a way, the young generation has a completely different conception of what is privacy.
To them, to expose themselves is a way to communicate with others, even if practically everyone can have access to one's information.

As the writer says :

Mais le fait de s’exposer est d’abord et avant tout, comme dans la rue ou la cour de récréation, un moyen d’entrer en contact avec les autres, ou de maintenir et prolonger ce contact, de trouver un(e) petit(e) ami(e), d’être félicité pour la qualité des photographies, voire d’être repéré par un futur employeur… pourquoi dès lors faudrait-il s’en priver et ne se focaliser que sur le (faible) risque associé ? Jusqu’à preuve du contraire, on court plus de risque en sortant de chez soi, à pied ou en voiture, qu’en allant sur Facebook ou Flickr !

But the fact they expose themselves is first and above all, like in the street or in a recreation ground, a way to be in touch with others, to find a girl/boyfriend, to be congratulated for their photos' quality, or even to be seen by an employer… So why deprive ourselves of it and only think about the (small) amount of risk that goes with it ? Until it's proven wrong, we are more likely to run a risk when leaving our home, by foot or by car, than by going to Facebook or Flickr!

There are many others things about it discussed in the article, like questioning the net's pressing restriction to children because of perverts, pedophiles and so on, which can become counterproductive to them in order to become adults, or also the fact that it's useless to stop youngsters to frolic on the net.

Anyway, going with it, I also saw some threads about ED, 4chan and Anonymous and, here is why it's related to Jessi and many others, their actions of "detroying" people's privacy.

Their actions can be seen as hypocrite in a way that they are praising invisibility and anonymousity to themselves, but don't hesitate to use a kind of "totalitarian democracy" by judging and destroying some people's privacy for the sake of it, and because it doesn't correspond to their idea of the internet.

While the lulz is one of the purposes achieved, we can't deny how threatful it can become, in a society that seeks to restrict more and more the net (illegal downloading mainly). Do we have to be concerned and worried that Anonymous can become some kind of informing system (I won't say terrorism because it could be too harsh for what it is) in which everyone's life can be broken to pieces ?

Many young users come to KYM.

Can we discuss about the reality of those articles and concerns? What is your draw of the situation ? What do your think about it ?

Last edited Jul 20, 2010 at 01:22AM EDT

Personally, I didn't get really involved with the internet until I was about 12-13, but here is what I believe:

First of all, I've always seen the internet as a separate community to say, the community at my school. Yes, there is some "overlap," and maybe that overlap is larger than we think. But I think the large perception is that your internet life and personal life do not really cross over.

This is a double edged sword. It means the more obvious observation- where normal, "nice" people can be jerks on the internet.

But it also means that, to those desperate for attention, they can be someone different on the internet (either to be accepted or to rage). Let's look at Boxxy, ChristianU2ber, and Jessi Slaughter.

Boxxy's motives are unknown, but I find it hard to believe that she can be accepted "IRL" acting like that.

ChristianU2ber… yea. My guess is that he became "braver" on the internet.

Jessi Slaughter wants attention. And its true that she may act the same way "IRL."- but she probably wouldn't act the same way at home or at (most of) school.

^And therein lies the problem. You almost never want to attract attention to yourself on the internet. And yet, that is exactly what these people are doing.

In a way, you can say these "attention seeking" people would destroy their lives even if there wasn't an internet (because you really can't separate your personal life from whatever "second life"); its true that the internet can be a lot more destructive than other forces in the past, but haven't people always used "a kind of 'totalitarian democracy' by judging and destroying some people’s privacy," albeit on a smaller scale?

I'm not defending the internet. I think this Jessi Slaughter incident is very sad. But I think people are viewing the internet bullying as something "never seen before." The internet, IMO, is simply the same "second life" our Grandparents have been dealing with, except the internet is huge.

That "size difference" between the internet and "second lives" of the past may seem like a big difference, but to me- its not. The more you attract attention to yourself, the more people you piss off, and the more you screw up- the more you ruin your life. Just ask any regretful world leader.

TL;DR
I basically agree with the "exposing yourself" theory your article had there. What we should do about it… I have no clue.

Last edited Jul 19, 2010 at 04:11PM EDT

Jessie Slaughter isn't the first one to become "trapped" in a thing like this.
If we really have to recount for every popular online "victim" like her, we would have to get back to Star Wars Kid, at the very least. Of course, I'm not even taking into account all the people that would, at an instant or another, have felt bullied from an online chat since the existence of BBS chatrooms and the mere existence of trolling.

But, as I stated before, Jessie proved some strong resistance to the trolls somehow.
Even if she can be seen crying in the video that spawned so much sub-sub-memes (you dun goof'd), her other videos, especially the ones in which she is seen chatting on stickam, show that she can also easily ignore the trolls.

My previous wall of text can be put into perspective. In a way, Jessie played on that story to get recognition and "celebrity". I don't know if she consciously used 4chan/ebaums/insert-raid-people-here but she succeeded in appearing on a TV show. She got the attention she wanted.

Star Wars kid tried to be forgotten. Boxxy tried to be forgotten. Jessie fought her haters/trolls again and again, played along with them, calling them out and exposing herself even more. I guess she would have continued that way if she wasn't stopped by her parents/child protection services.

What would have happened if two strong minds (on one side, a person who doesn't want to get told what he/she has and not has to do on the internet and, on the other side, Anonymous, who is ready to slap anyone who doesn't correspond to their view of the web) endlessly continued to fight without showing any sign of giving up ?

Last edited Jul 23, 2010 at 06:41PM EDT

I totally forgot who that one f@ggot was on youtube that is also known as the "cannibal troll". Mimicked ChristianU2ber, then came out eventually that he was really just making vids to get responses from trolls.

FOR THOSE WHO SAY TL;DR

F@ggot makes youtube & posts controversy (troll feed)
Trolls feed and feed – ChristianU2ber disappears
Newf@g appears – trolls feed
Newf@g is really Cannibal Troll feeding on Trolls

Skeletor-sm

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