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Last posted Apr 24, 2018 at 03:16AM EDT. Added Apr 22, 2018 at 09:27PM EDT
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To start off, I'm a freshman in high school and recently I wrote an argumentative essay on gun control and I'm here to share my opinion on this topic. In my opinion, I think gun control needs to be more strict as recently there is a big increase in the amount of gun-related crimes. For example, on February 14, 2018, in Stoneman Douglas high school there was an incident of a school shooting and 17 lives were taken that day while many others are wounded. In addition, according to the National Center for Education, their statistic showed that 5% of kids in the rural area and 4.4% of kids from suburb area claims to have access to guns that their parents own and this just goes to show how easily gun can be obtained. Making it America 25 more times likely to be killed by a firearm than other developed countries.
Imagine being a dad of a 14 years old girl. A normal weekday with
your daughter attending school. But then you get a phone call from the school informing you that your daughter has been killed in a firearm accident. This has all become reality for a father in Florida when his daughter was killed in the massacre in a high school in south Florida. Having to have to go through the pain of losing someone precious to you because of something that can be prevented is just absurd. The father went on to say, “Look at me and tell me. Guns were the factor in the hunting of our kids in this school this week. And look at me and tell me you accept it and you will work with us to do something about guns.”
Back in 1994 to 2004 when the law of bans on assault rifles was placed, there was a dramatic decrease in the amount of massacre by guns. However, this ban expired after 10 years and causing the cases of a mass shooting to increase again. Still, Some people claim that the teachers should be given guns. Some people even say that in order to protect against gun they need to be armed with one so they can stop it immediately. But this can actually cause more trouble than good. It can make gun more in reach to the evil doers. Not only that a lot of the gun that is used in the USA is for bad causes. That’s also why there are such a big increase school shootings and gun-related death in recent years compared to the past since gun wasn’t as easily achieved back then. In order to prevent all of these gun shootings and other unfortunate cases, gun control should be more strict.

From my take on the shooting thing, there seem to be several problems that keep popping up:

- The black market or any other means of obtaining and owning guns illegally

- Bad data or communication such as the case where the US Air force failing to record a conviction in the FBI database that allowed a pyscho ex-lover to legally buy guns and ammo which he used to shoot up a church

- Bad security along with no drills for shootings

- Poor acting upon sometimes clear warning signs and effective means to defuse a ticking time bomb like probably mental heathcare support

- There doesn't seem to be a gun culture like Switzerland with a heavy emphasis on being a discipline and well-organised militias

- The news media focus a lot on the killers rather than say the victims, which can encourage more people who do shootings for fame to act out

Of course, some of these are likely phrased poorly or not that in depth so do forgive me. I honestly feel that the whole shootings problem is not something you can reduce or solve with one solution, it feels like multiple ones need to be tried at once but not before a full study is done to see what will be effective and what will be a waste of time and resources.

And not one of these solutions will be easy to undertake for a lot of reasons, which will be time and resources and how different American culture and situation is to other places. And maybe sheer stubborn pride (and greed) in the mix too.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-the-gun-culture-in-the-USA-and-in-the-Switzerland

That and that Switz guy in the Quora link sums up pretty well why these talks about gun control in America hardly go fucking anywhere except in a fucking cycle

Like I got no idea if the fact that the shootings have gone way past high schools now like cinemas, churches, concerts, elementary schools, or businesses will change anything in how to address the issue of shootings, but probably not.

Last edited Apr 23, 2018 at 11:18AM EDT

>recently there is a big increase in the amount of gun-related crimes.

Pew Research Data shows gun violence has actually dropped significantly since the 90s.

Although the frequency of mass-shootings has increased since Columbine, the causes are far more complex than just access to guns.

>Center for Education, their statistic showed that 5% of kids in the rural area and 4.4% of kids from suburb area claims to have access to guns that their parents own and this just goes to show how easily gun can be obtained.

Having access is not the same as using or misusing the weapon. Nor does it reflect with any due accuracy the kind of environment those children live in. For example, negligent parents. Cite the statistic though please, I'd like to get into how they determined such an outcome>

>Making it America 25 more times likely to be killed by a firearm than other developed countries

Source pls.

>Imagine being a dad of a 14 years old girl. A normal weekday with
your daughter attending school. But then you get a phone call from the school informing you that your daughter has been killed in a firearm accident.

Imagine being a dad of a 14 year old girl who while walking to school get's run over by a drunk driver. Something that is far more likely to happen than being a victim of a mass shooting.
Let's not appeal to emotions with hypothetical.

>Back in 1994 to 2004 when the law of bans on assault rifles was placed, there was a dramatic decrease in the amount of massacre by guns

While over-all gun ownership went up, and over-all gun related violence went dramatically down.

>Some people even say that in order to protect against gun they need to be armed with one so they can stop it immediately. But this can actually cause more trouble than good. It can make gun more in reach to the evil doers.

"Evil doers" who wish to do evil will always find a way to do evil. Why is it that so many of these "evil doers" target a place that they know they will meet little to no resistance for a significant amount of time, causing maximum damage? Why is it that the moment resistance is offered they do themselves in more often than not.

>That’s also why there are such a big increase school shootings and gun-related death in recent years compared to the past since gun wasn’t as easily achieved back then.

NO mention at all that in virtually every single one of these cases the "evil-doer" was on or had a history with psychotropic drugs, from anti-depressents, and treatment for ADD. No mention at all that in the 90s and beyond there has been a huge surge in drugging young white men with these drugs? Do you think they may have something to do with it?

I respect you wishing to share your opinion. But the value of your opinion is based on how much weight and consideration you put into the opinion and it seems to me very little. Have you considered the opposing view's arguments at all? Have you actually looked at the over-all statistics, or just the few that reinforce a particular point?

I'm going to be a bit of a dick here, but the only really effective method of going after guns would be to go after retailers and pressure them into stop selling guns. The reason being is that if you try and create laws against it the NRA will sue your ass into oblivion; if you pressure retailers to stop selling guns they can't sue you.

YourHigherBrainFunctions wrote:

I'm going to be a bit of a dick here, but the only really effective method of going after guns would be to go after retailers and pressure them into stop selling guns. The reason being is that if you try and create laws against it the NRA will sue your ass into oblivion; if you pressure retailers to stop selling guns they can't sue you.

No problem. I'll just 3D print them. Or talk to your local gun-smiths. Cuz you know, banning a constitutionally protected product from being sold is going to really hold up.

Chewybunny wrote:

No problem. I'll just 3D print them. Or talk to your local gun-smiths. Cuz you know, banning a constitutionally protected product from being sold is going to really hold up.

The thing about 3d printed guns is that they wear down really quickly; you can only fire a couple clips before they start breaking.

YourHigherBrainFunctions wrote:

The thing about 3d printed guns is that they wear down really quickly; you can only fire a couple clips before they start breaking.

Sure. But that doesn't mean that the technology wouldn't improve.

Additionally, fun story I always like to share: Do you know why the first 3D Printed Gun was called "The Liberator"?

Because it was named after the Liberator Gun that the US tried to supply the Polish resistance with in WW2. The idea was that the FP-45 Liberator was so cheap and so easily mass produced, the idea was to drop a ton of these to the Polish resistance for insurgency. The idea was that a Polish insurgent would use the gun to kill an Axis soldier, and loot the soldier's armaments.

Well another shooting happened yesterday and most of the news media is picking up on it today.

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2018/04/22/watch-live-waffle-house-shooting-police-update-nashville-tn/540279002/

Here we go again folks.

Although this time is a little different due to the shooter… deciding to wear only a green bomber jacket and when fleeing did so naked…

… if this is 2018, then 2019 fucking scares me now.

Last edited Apr 23, 2018 at 02:56PM EDT

Princeso Bubblegum wrote:

I view mass shootings as a result of a sick society, and not the gun itself. We should be asking why it is people feel the need to shoot each other up in mass rather than just blindingly restricting people.

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Chewybunny wrote:

Sure. But that doesn't mean that the technology wouldn't improve.

Additionally, fun story I always like to share: Do you know why the first 3D Printed Gun was called "The Liberator"?

Because it was named after the Liberator Gun that the US tried to supply the Polish resistance with in WW2. The idea was that the FP-45 Liberator was so cheap and so easily mass produced, the idea was to drop a ton of these to the Polish resistance for insurgency. The idea was that a Polish insurgent would use the gun to kill an Axis soldier, and loot the soldier's armaments.

It is an interesting idea, but I never really thought it was really worth it.
What would you rather have in your airdrop? A box of stubby, unsilenced, one-shot pistols that require the shooter to get up close and personal, or a bunch of Sten submachine guns?

Chrispy92 wrote:

It is an interesting idea, but I never really thought it was really worth it.
What would you rather have in your airdrop? A box of stubby, unsilenced, one-shot pistols that require the shooter to get up close and personal, or a bunch of Sten submachine guns?

I think the main issue was cost vs benefit analysis. Figure, hey, drop a 100 pistols worth 1 cent each than 1 sub machine gun worth a dollar.

Eh?

Eh.

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