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So, What happened to OurDeerLeader?

Last posted Oct 04, 2021 at 06:30AM EDT. Added Sep 26, 2021 at 12:47AM EDT
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I was wondering this too. I suppose it is possible he infringed someone's copyright somehow in one of his uploads, and the owner got in touch with the site staff?

Kind of sucks to be banned for one mistake, but I don't know if it was the first time or anything. It also might not be a permanent ban?

Liquid Fiend wrote:

I was wondering this too. I suppose it is possible he infringed someone's copyright somehow in one of his uploads, and the owner got in touch with the site staff?

Kind of sucks to be banned for one mistake, but I don't know if it was the first time or anything. It also might not be a permanent ban?

A permanent ban over one mistake? Now I'm really worried.

Edit: I did some research and I now found out why OurDeerLeader was banned permanently. He was posting sexual content of minors from Star vs. the Forces of Evil that made the mods very uncomfortable. And in the past few years his comments are very hateful and racist.

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Hey guys, instead of creating threads that still somehow lead to incredulous levels of snowballing conspiracies and circle jerks on how they were banned for doing nothing wrong from people who I expected to know better, only to then get shown a long history of infractions and pairing them with the rules… can maybe you guys just ask on discord? It took literally about minute to get the answer there.

Sure, it might not always be quite that fast, but it is generally going to go much faster there and not lead to as many mass poorly informed assumptions about people.

Liquid Fiend wrote:

I suppose it is possible he infringed someone's copyright somehow in one of his uploads, and the owner got in touch with the site staff?

Banning over this isn't a thing. Maybe if a person gives a C&D to KYM, we tell the user to stop uploading that content. If they were told not to keep uploading said images and they continued to do so it might happen, but that has never occurred in the past. Uploading and refusing to cite the creator I think might have helped lead to a ban or two in the past (back when Five Nights at Freddy's was big) but this was after many warnings paired with other bad behavior.

Liquid Fiend wrote:

Kind of sucks to be banned for one mistake, but I don't know if it was the first time or anything. It also might not be a permanent ban?

Square Memester wrote

A permanent ban over one mistake? Now I'm really worried.

Please tell me, what in the content of a post by four day old user that clearly states that they do not know "if this was the first time or anything" would make you assume ODL was banned over one mistake? I'm really worried that you seem capable of interpreting this as a reasonable possibly as to what actually happened.

banned for one mistake

As the analogy goes, the straw that broke the camel's back. There are only a few things that generally results in instant ban. These are generally brand new user only posting deliberately inflammatory content (obvious troll), tangible death threats, deliberate doxxing, and site vandalism. After this, it can vary but generally you get warnings and suspensions pointing out the rules broken. Depending on how well you respond and correct your actions you can essentially have these issues be forgotten, or they can add up and lead to a ban.

There has not been one of these threads where the user in question had a spotless record and was banned for one thing. How is it possible given the number of these threads where this has been consistently shown not to be the case that people think this?

Liquid Fiend wrote:

It also might not be a permanent ban?

Bans are fully intended to be permanent. There have been some cases of users requesting to come back to the site and Admins have tried it out. Mods had a conversation about this a few days ago actually, and we could not recall instances where a user was legitimately banned (I use this term mostly because of the weird history of Riff Raff suspensions, that have long since become no longer a thing, were sometimes marked as bans that were overturned because they were a "joke" at the time) were unbanned, and became users that mods and staff were glad to come back. Indeed, pretty much all the cases that could be brought up the user was rebanned not long after.

Okay, that's out of my system now.


As was the case with the previous time I felt obligated to respond to this type of thread there is a long history.


For starters, OurDeerLeader (henceforth referred to as ODL) from the onset was always suspected to be an alt of another user that was banned. We never could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but ODL joined very soon after that ban (June 2018), contextual information in their posts pointed to them living in the same part of the world, and both the subjects of images they uploaded and the type of comments (especially the bad ones) they made were essentially identical. There was also a third account that had similar post mannerisms that was active and banned around this time as well.

This was evident to at least a few of the mods at least within the first few months of them having joined which put them on our radar. It should be obvious that the fact that ODL was on the site for over three years before being banned shows that this was not the ultimate reason for the ban, but I feel at this point I have to state this explicitly.


In both the cases of ODL and the suspected "original account" the content was very similar. Huge amount of image uploads, largely from western cartoons. This was a factor that did lead some mods, myself included, to hesitate on finally banning for both of them. If all a user contributes are comments, unless they are legitimate suggestions for improving the articles, there isn't a lot there of inherent value to the purpose of the site itself. However, media uploads that aren't borderline porn are obvious and easy to see as having more tangible merit, especially if they are sourced and tagged properly. I want it to be made clear that this was considered when banning decisions were made.


ODL has a long history of "hot takes" in the comments.

  • The only reason someone might hesitate to come forward about being sexually abused/raped is because they are lying.

A lot of these were warned/suspended over, probably should have lead to ban back then. Again, hesitancy with banning users that made tangible contributions. Also, if you notice, many of these are relatively old, back when I used to micromanage the site. I have since prioritized my actual life. I'm bringing this up because without that context, only seeing several years old comments might give the implication that ODL changed. I want to stress that I do not actually know what there comment history has been more recently.

However, and interestingly, while it does show them with a history of breaking rules, these type of comments aren't actually the final reason ODL was banned.


ODL, with as many media uploads as they made, perhaps unsurprisingly, had collected quite a few warnings on that front as well. From the minor of subjective opinions in the metadata (this is what the comments are for) to tactical censoring and other over the line sexually suggestive content. As should be well understood for anyone who has been on the site for any reasonable amount of time, what being "over the line sexually suggestive" means is not always 100% obvious, which is why ODL had several of these warnings. After a certain period of time though, if you keep getting these, it is difficult to believe that you are trying to follow the rules.


Some of you hopefully saw All Tomorrows and that it got an entry on KYM due to a flash in the pan style fandom. The story is essentially a Sci-Fi cosmic horror where aliens with tentacles tails known as the Qu modify people physically into misshapen parodies of the human form.

ODL uploaded an image that… showed several Qu holding a young looking human male (what some would describe as a "twink" and gave the appearance of being a minor) against his will in the air by the neck, and undressing him. As in, one of the tentacles was visibly pulling down his underwear with only said tentacle obscuring genitalia. Another Qu's tentacle was obscured behind the human's leg, and given the direction of the tentacle, and nature of what was depicted and art style, it gave the implication that this tentacle was penetrating him.

The inherently deliberately disturbing nature of of the source material was the only reason why I suggested not to act stronger, but it gave the impression of aliens choking and raping a boy.


What finally did it yesterday was ODL uploaded two images of male characters who are minors in their respective shows, and gave the same general impression in the images themselves (aka, not "aged up" versions), in tight feminine clothing, in poses that were "showing off". On their own they weren't the worst thing ever (still warn worthy), but coming right after the Qu related image incident… along with the long history of other things, mods decided to stop kicking what was felt as their inevitable ban further down the road.

Last edited Sep 26, 2021 at 11:22AM EDT

Damn it we keep losing active users and we hardly get any to replace them (and the most toxic ones get to stay)

Last edited Sep 26, 2021 at 12:44PM EDT

man was alt-right, and when i say alt-right, i mean genuinely alt-right
the kiddie porn doesn't help either
unlike with Icecane i could immediately tell i didn't like him

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Griff the Hoplite wrote:

Damn it we keep losing active users and we hardly get any to replace them (and the most toxic ones get to stay)

Apperantly lamenting the loss of active users and posting a song is not liked by some people

Weird

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Griff the Hoplite wrote:

Apperantly lamenting the loss of active users and posting a song is not liked by some people

Weird

I think you're gonna have to look into Jill's post before yours, because it showcases a string of toxic behavior from ODL, and makes your post claiming he wasn't toxic look silly in context

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Bilbo Swaggins wrote:

I think you're gonna have to look into Jill's post before yours, because it showcases a string of toxic behavior from ODL, and makes your post claiming he wasn't toxic look silly in context

I think you should read better because i say nothing of that sort i simply lament how the past months we keep losing active users as well as the fact that there are many toxic users here that have not gotten the boot for some reason!!

Griff the Hoplite wrote:

I think you should read better because i say nothing of that sort i simply lament how the past months we keep losing active users as well as the fact that there are many toxic users here that have not gotten the boot for some reason!!

Except a toxic user did in fact get the boot in this case

Can't get more toxic than posting near-porn of minors

Talkie Toaster wrote:

Except a toxic user did in fact get the boot in this case

Can't get more toxic than posting near-porn of minors

Yes clearly but some others who are also toxic (and even more in some cases if you ask me) are still here (which is what i said and and some people proceeded to put words in my mouth instead)

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Always the ones you least suspect. I never payed much attention to what he was doing beyond uploading images, and never came along any of his rants about anything. Seems he would have been better to lurk around 4chan than here.

Last edited Sep 28, 2021 at 01:08AM EDT

So, another alt-right user who mainly uploaded cartoons and cartoon porn got the boot? I don’t think this was the first time, nor could it be the last. This guy gave me Hrom vibes.

Last edited Sep 28, 2021 at 09:22PM EDT

Cold Hard Crash wrote:

So, another alt-right user who mainly uploaded cartoons and cartoon porn got the boot? I don’t think this was the first time, nor could it be the last. This guy gave me Hrom vibes.

Good to know I'm not the only one who had those feelings.

Reading up what he did, what the hell. I think I liked some of his images, I had no idea who he was under the hood. Misogyny, pedophilia, extremism, possible holocaust denial/neo-nazi and racism. He really missed none of the asshole traits.

>Open Hatred of the French

Ironically, I actually feel good when someone whom I think is from the same old crowd of asshole hates us.

It's validating, would feel worse if it was someone who I actually respected.

I just realized that the guy who was slamming the media claiming they supported the film "Cuties" (the one that got Netflix in a lot of heat) and later down the road got banned for posting overly sexualized minors (granted they were fictional).

pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

Hey I just found out it's my turn to go crazy.
Anyone have an idea how a radlib goes crazy without becoming an ancap?

Been a while since a tankie has posted here so… that

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pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

Hey I just found out it's my turn to go crazy.
Anyone have an idea how a radlib goes crazy without becoming an ancap?

Well, if you wish to go out with a bang as a liberal, you could create an entry, just with a title, some basic tags and a thumbnail, never write content for it besides a good ol' "Work In Progress", then spam the gallery on a daily basis with random pictures of interracial LGBT couples (with or without soyjaks).

You will likely upset a lot of people, making the uploads appear in the "Most Commented" tab with no effort, which will make them more visible in turn and upset even more people, and the mods may eventually be annoyed that you fill the gallery but never actually write the entry.

Or you could look for some popular feminist sub-reddit or something (I think there are a few of them out there), thoroughly document it, then taunt or insult anyone making derogatory remarks on the topic itself in the comments.

Or you could just post porn of underage anime characters, but that wouldn't be very creative nor very liberal considering what got ODL banned.

Chewybunny wrote:

what is it with alt-right being so adamantly anti-degeneracy but being completely engrossed in it. Is this like the closeted gay socially conservative minister of the 90s?

'Morality' types being vile is probably due to the same reason that those who preach equality have led to unequal politburos, nationalists have often destroyed their countries, democratic interventionists have helped terrorists and dictators and the 'free trade' economic liberals have created unmeritocratic monopolies that are leading to Neo-feudalism.

Skeletor-sm

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