Forums / Fun! / Just For Fun

Sorry, Verbose and opspe but there really was no reason why Luis had to change his vote.

---

Verbose wrote (before the above quote):

…but granted, Luis shouldn’t have changed his vote…

---

I don't think either one of us said that Luis should have switched his vote. Our arguments were mostly just involving my vote.

…You OK, BSoD?

Looking back, I see that you were simply rationalizing Luis's action rather than supporting it…Sorry.

I was aware that you were talking about your own vote for the rest of the discussion.

Today has not been the most pleasant of days and I may be a bit on-edge but I'll be fine. Thank you for asking.

It's cool, man. I've been a bit less sensitive with my posts for longer than a day and on more than this thread. I don't feel great about it.

You gotta wear the yellow though. I hate yellow.

On the topic of my vote
I thought that I was evening out the vote. I was obviously wrong.

The end.

… I guess I'm still free to talk… So… How 'bout them mafia?

everyone on the other page is them, what else is there to talk about?

Well, we could go through all of the possible scenarios: who didn't vote, who did vote, what the mafia would most certainly not do no matter what (all vote for the same person,) stuff like that.
 
We could also put together a voting plan for next round. Once we have our suspected candidates, we'd already know who needs to vote. And instead of deviating due to a spark of "genius" (i.e., Verbose,) we can know who needs to vote and where.
 
That involves a lot of uncertainty though.

2 votes 2 people. if one dies they were mafia. if mafia try to throw us off by killing one of the voters they would still be declared killed by mafia, so that wont work. if the votes from the day go into effect before (im not sure a this point) the night votes we dont even have to worry really about that unless its by fluke.

if you find a hole in this plan please tell me instead of just going "no that wont work".

Fair enough, 404. I shouldn't have just dismissed it like that, but it takes a lot of typing to show fault with an argument. And I didn't feel up to it.

Let's say you and I are these two people, 404.

• We vote for each other.
• Neither dies. Tie vote.
• Brawler said that ties would be chosen at random. I assume that means he would just choose someone at random to die.
  • But we don't know anything about either you or me, because it could have been a:
    • 0-0 tie (You and I are both mafia), or
    • 1-1 tie (You and I are both villagers)

I would know you were a villager (or I would have already known you were mafia,) but the villagers don't. So the village has no new information.

And since there are many more villagers than mafia, it isn't statistically likely that either of the two are mafia. It would be an organized way of taking out mafia, but not particularly efficient.
 
Also, you'd have to get two people to vote for each other. No mafia is going to let themselves get into that situation. It's too easy to grasp, and therefore, too easy to manipulate beforehand. Either both mafia would volunteer or the mafia members would say this was a bad idea to not get involved.
 
I say it's not a great idea, because even if we all agreed to it, there isn't a good chance that we'd get a 1-0 vote. Mafia won't intentionally put themselves in a bad position.

---

As for the rest of the sentences, I can't really comprehend it. It sounds like you're mixing the day phases with the night phases. The mafia won't do anything in effect during the day phase, so we don't have to worry about them killing anyone in this situation.

I don't even understand the last sentence in the paragraph. You'll have to rephrase it for me, please.

damn when did that become a thing ^

Zuh?

if the votes from the day go into effect before (im not sure a this point) the night votes we dont even have to worry really about that unless its by fluke.

---

Can you interpret that for me, Niko?

No, not really. It was just odd for you to write that in your own post.

Believe it or not Niko, it really is possible to confuse verbose with poorly written english ;)

So I guess while we are still here we can start planning ahead. Although it would be much easier to do so if we understand the consequences of the action we already made.

I wan't to know how our current vote went so I can determine if it is a path worth following or if we should attempt another direction. My biggest concern is that we talked so much about our own voting plan that we ended up helping the mafia find ways to exploit it. So I am not feeling confident about our current vote.

I really want to see how it turned out before I think to long and hard on this.

In other words: Bump for good measure.

Sorry again, I went on a church retreat.

---

After a short amount of time, the town decides to go in to a frenzy. Deciding together that the only logical course of action is to convict the suspicious, they jump on a local man by the name of DarkErmac. He was quiet, and therefore couldn't be trusted.

After breaking into his house and skewering him with a sword, the mob decides to explore. Their joy from their success quickly turned to shock; instead of finding weapons, secret compartments, and other mafia-related clues, they found a fully stocked medicinal cabinet.

Mr. Ermac was quiet, not because he was mafia, but because he was the doctor.

OH COME ON.
BULLSHIT.
THIS HAPPENED LAST GAME, I DONT WANT IT HAPPENING AGAIN.

…

We're really good at this game, guys.

---

Douglas: 2 votes (via 404, Verbose)
DarkErmac: 3 votes (via Wheatley, madcat, opspe)
404: 2 votes (via RandomMan, DarkErmac)
opspe: 1 vote (via Jeffrey)
Jeffery: 3 votes (via Luis, BSoD, Douglas)

---

So those were the votes.
 
Ermac died. No mention of a tie. I assume that means there was a straight away vote for Ermac.
 
What do we know?

• My plan for a tie failed.
  • But we did get an uneven mafia vote. And some solid information.
• opspe's plan may have yielded good information as well, and had 404 been in the running as well, there might have been a tie between 404 and Ermac.

That possibly would have saved the doctor, but we do know one thing:

• At least one of Luis, BSoD, or Falcon is mafia.
  • Otherwise, there would have been a tie or Jeffrey would have died due to having 3 actual votes.

So, you can add me into a tie if you'd like for deviating, but target these three no matter what until you know which is a mafioso.

---

Remember the hint Iambob got? How at least one of the last people on the ship was mafia?

15. Seal Clubba
16. Luis
17. RandomMan
18. Dark Ermac
19. Jeff Dahmer

---

…It doesn't look good for you, my friend.

I vote for Luis. If you want an even 2-way or 3-way tie, make sure one of the three (I'd suggest Luis) is in it.

Not sure if Night Phase or…

@ the "uneven mafia vote" part: who says he didnt just decide randomly?

Oh for crying out loud, of course it was the doctor….ALWAYS THE DOCTOR!

---

@Douglas

Unfortunately nobody said it was not decided randomly. We might have to pester that information out of Brawler with a few PM's. But Verbose is right that it is more likely that there was no tie if Bralwer didn't mention it.

So either Douglas or Luis is mafia (from my perspective obviously). Given Verbose's logic as well as Luis's actions, I highly suspect Luis

It is night phase now right? If the mafia kill me for stating that Luis is guilty, take it as proof.

No, you're right, madcat. I jumped the gun. My bad.

But the analysis is still sound, I think. I withdraw the vote I don't have yet.

---

I can't say anything one way or the other about BSoD. Falcon is always suspicious, but I'm still a little suspicious. However, Luis was very close to the last person on the ship/in the game.

And they can't kill both of us in the same round, BSoD. Luis will have to fend off heat, regardless.

I'm not going to tell you whether it was a tie or not, but that doesn't mean it wasn't.

yes.
i am always suspicious.
(kill me now)

Goddammit Brawler. I'm trying to not die here. No, but I'm really not mafia.
Let's check that list again, shall we?
15. Seal Clubba
16. Luis
17. RandomMan
18.Dark Ermac
19. Jeff Dahmer
The last couple doesn't have to be 5, right?
Who was before Clubba, again?

14. FARUKON.

Both of us are equally suspicious. My only suspicion was being close to last. Falcon is acting like a maniac up in here. Granted, he always does that, but he's being especially manic this game. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe neither of us are mafia. Let me show you my list of suspicion. Anybody with an @ is under suspicion of being mafia.

1. Witchy@
2. Bob
3. Notso@
4. Riyku @
5. Verbose@
6. Bee sawd@
7. Madcat@
8. Wheatley@
9. opspe@
10. RF@
11. 404@
12. Niko@
13. Uglidoll@
14.FARUKON@
15. Seal Clubba@
16. Luis
17. RandomMan@
18.Dark Ermac
19. Jeff Dahmer@
TRUST NOBODY! EVERY MAN FOR THEMSELVES! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!
I vote Captain Falcon.

@Brawler

Oh boy, that will make things interesting

But thanks for clarifying. Now we have a better understanding of what will and will not work.

For starters, spread out votes will not.

---

There is now the possibility that all three of us (Me, Luis and Douglas) are villagers and the mafia never voted for DarkErmac and Jeffery

I believe ties have to be mentioned. That's at least what we did during the last games.

Unless you're changing the rules…

…cuz you're hosting.

---

With the medic dead, I'm 95% sure either Verbose or BSoD is going to die. If not, they make good suspects for mafia. Was nice knowing you gentlemen.

I AM ALWAYS ACCUSED OF BEING A MEMBER OF THE MAFIA.
I SWEAR WHEN I FINALLY BECOME A MEMBER OF THE MAFIA I WILL GET ABSOLUTELY NO SUSPICION AT ALL.

@Random

Well now that you said that, they just might not kill me. Thanks for giving them the idea! ಠ_ಠ

Oh, well, I'm not going to be that much of a dictator.

It was a tie.

okay then.
WERE ALL MOST LIKELY INNOCENT!
1. Witchy@
2.Bob
3. Notso@
4. Riyku @
5. Verbose@
6. Bee sawd
7. Madcat
8. Wheatley
9. opspe
10. RF@
11. 404@
12. Niko@
13. Uglidoll@
14.FARUKON
15. Seal Clubba@
16. Luis
17. RandomMan@
18.Dark Ermac
19. Jeff Dahmer@

Okay lets see that scoreboard one more time.

Douglas: 2 votes (via 404, Verbose)
DarkErmac: 3 votes (via Wheatley, madcat, opspe)
404: 2 votes (via RandomMan, DarkErmac)
opspe: 1 vote (via Jeffrey)
Jeffery: 3 votes (via Luis, BSoD, Douglas)
None voters: Witchy, Bob, Notso, Riyku, RF, Niko, Uglidoll, Seal Clubba

So here are the possibilities assuming all mafia voted (usually they do)

---

SCENARIO A: One mafia vote for Ermac, Jeffery, Douglas and 404/opspe.

Wheatley, Madcat, opspe = One mafia

Luis, BSOD, Douglas = One mafia

Rest are spread between Douglas, 404 and Jeffery in a way that generates all sorts of combinations. Those two mafia are pretty safe but if the mafia voted for one player each that could still mean that either 404 or Verbose are mafia and either Random or Jeffery are mafia.

---

SCENARIO B: All the villagers pooled into Ermac and Jeffery, mafia voted elsewhere

404 and Verbose are both mafia

Random is mafia

Jeffery is mafia

But it is highly unlikely the mafia would make a terrible mistake like this

---

SCENARIO C: Mafia didn't vote

But that's getting too complicated

---

Conclusion: I very much doubt we are all most likely innocent UNLESS the mafia did not vote.

Because if all 6 villagers all voted for Ermac and Jeffery and the mafia voted for the rest then we know who the mafia are now. I find it hard to believe the mafia would make such an astounding screw-up

Next game there should be a rule that all players must vote during the Day Phase.

I coulda sworn that was already a rule.

I think you meant that all players must vote. They can't forfeit their turn without some penalty (e.g., dismissal from the game.)

Or you may be talking about those who "vote" right after they already voted in the day phase.
 
Either way, I agree.

---

SCENARIO A: One mafia vote for Ermac, Jeffery, Douglas and 404/opspe.
Wheatley, Madcat, opspe = One mafia
Luis, BSOD, Douglas = One mafia
Rest are spread between Douglas, 404 and Jeffery in a way that generates all sorts of combinations. Those two mafia are pretty safe but if the mafia voted for one player each that could still mean that either 404 or Verbose are mafia and either Random or Jeffery are mafia.

It's probably something like this.

Remember when I said before that Luis had a couple of hard facts against him? This scenario incorporates that. The Scenarios B and C do not.

---

SCENARIO B: All the villagers pooled into Ermac and Jeffery, mafia voted elsewhere
404 and Verbose are both mafia
Random is mafia
Jeffery is mafia
But it is highly unlikely the mafia would make a terrible mistake like this

Well, I'm not mafia. That blows it up by itself, but that's nothing anyone else but the mafia can know.

But, like you said, Random wouldn't let his team do this to ourselves. Also, Random was working towards a two-man tie when that was the most obvious choice for the villagers. It doesn't mean he's clear, but I have no suspicions towards him.

---

SCENARIO C: Mafia didn’t vote
But that’s getting too complicated

We can't plan for this, so there's no need to try. We'd just do the same thing as we did last round, but just one round closer to having the mafia overrun us (in space.)

---

Also note that I predicted a tie in the last round between Ermac and Jeffrey (and possibly someone else.) And Luis is in that prediction as well. I'm pretty confident about Scenario A.

Aww no…we killed our doctor…

Why is the doctor always one of the first to die?

Well, Luis seems like a viable target, and Douglas…I want to say you're suspicious, or you could just be the sheriff trying desperately hard not to get lynched. My advice? STOP MAKING YOURSELF SO BLOODY TARGETABLE IF YOU'RE THE LATTER. We can't afford to lose all our special effects. Granted, if you die overnight, I'll grant you one wish that does not involve fellatio. You have my word.

Unless you WERE sheriff. In that case you get nothing.

@Wheatley: latter*

I'm reading through the new rule. I can still post here as long as I don't influence my side. By technicality, this means that I can't influence Robin's decision. Influencing the villagers isn't against the rules.

I'm kidding though. It says I'm not allowed to share opinions so I guess I'll just watch.

Yes, yes. I always forget the second 'T'.

Remember Bob, the mafia aren't the only ones with connections.

Because Luis is currently a large suspect, I'll go with scenario A.

SCENARIO A: One mafia vote for Ermac, Jeffery, Douglas and 404/opspe.

Wheatley, Madcat, opspe = One mafia

Luis, BSOD, Douglas = One mafia

Assuming this is true, it was a tie with 2 votes for both people. But then we can assume that all the 2 man groups were part of the tie.

Douglas: 2 votes (via 404, Verbose)
404: 2 votes (via RandomMan, DarkErmac)

If Douglas or 404 got killed, it would've been perfect. As the voters then were most certainly proven innocent.

But this wasn't the case. Currently I can't tell whether it was a coincidence that DarkErmac (one of the people with 3 votes) got killed, or that the other mafia made it so (perhaps even by accident). It's also possible that 2 mafia voted for Jeffery.

2 mafia voting for DarkErmac isn't possible, as that would've surely left him alive.

Still needing mafia votes.

Bump for mafia votes.

If the mafia hasn't voted by now, then they've forfeited their vote. From 10pm EST on Feb.11 to 6pm EST on Feb. 13th is more than the 42 hours allotted (Should be 44 hours.) Brawler may be out, so they may have PM'ed the vote in time.
 
If that turns out to be the case, we should consider targeting those who haven't participated in the game since the first request for players. But I still will lean toward Luis until we know what happened.

@Verbose

If that turns out to be the case, we should consider targeting those who haven’t participated in the game since the first request for players

Take note of those who didn't vote:

Witchy, Bob, Notso, Riyku, RF, Niko, Uglidoll, Seal Clubba

Ugh, don't tell me this game is doomed to lost interest. Next time there should be a limit on players so only the people who are actually going to participate get involved. I know it sucks if you show up late but if someone can't play anymore at least they have someone else to pass the torch to if they're still interested. Extras could be on standby mode or something.

I'm dead. I was the first person to die. The new rules say I'm not allowed to influence your opinions because I have died. I guess that means that this statement is technically breaking the rules.

@Wheatley

I'm starting to think something should be done about inactive players too. It really drags the game down when we have to wait for people who completely forgot they were in this game.

People shouldn't join in they can't keep track of this thread.

New Dodge: Day 3

Verbose is dead.

While not shocked, the town can't help but be frightened that they got to the mayor that quickly. He was a strong individual, and many thought that he would be the one to lead the charge against the mafia. And yet, he is dead.

Strung from the balcony of the town hall (apparently, the town hall is a favorite place for murder), Verbose hangs from a thick rope by the neck. His face is purple from suffocation, and the scratch marks on his neck show that it wasn't a quick one. Again, it's a gruesome sight to all who behold it.

The king of the villagers is dead.

Verbose is dead.

Well shit.

Luis, for now. I don't know if I'll be able to keep in the forums tomorrow what with Forever Alone day and all.

Verbose!

You shall be avenged…

---

In keeping with previous discussion. I vote Luis