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or how about black pride parade? or fat pride parade? or brony pride parade?

how come only homosexuals get pride parades? what makes them such unique that they are the only one socially acceptble to present themselves as special snowflakes and flaunt it to everyone?

the '"homosexuals are still opressed and need to show the world they are here to stay" is not a valid arguement anymore":

A. dressign and acting provocotivly in these parades gives the exact opposite messege.
B. the groups i mentioned earlier are just opressed as homosexuals.

there are still countries that forbids jews from entering. there are still millions of people who seriously belive they run the world, steal everyone's money, and now, also elder murderers and child rapists.
racist laws against black people were in full effect in friggin AMERICA just 50 years ago. and they still suffer from discrimination and police violence to this day.
autistic people get horribly bullied in schools, and insulting someone for suffering from autism is now mundane. casting them out of scociety is the acceptble thing to do in some social circles.

but do these people get a pride parade? nope. why?

Okay I don't know how serious this should be taken. Sure it's in Serious Debate but on the other hand…you

But I'll humor you for a bit and start you off with a few things from the top of my head:

A: Neither blacks, fat people or bronies have laws acting against them, so while those groups face issues of their own, they don't really have as much of a reason to parade over their rights as they pretty much have them.

A.a: I don't know black people, but a flamboyant parade probably just isn't how they roll. They'd probably prefer to attract less attention over the fact that they are black.

A.b Bronies already have Bronycon

B: It can be argued that the oppressed homosexual population is that much larger, allowing them to fully constitute a parade. Its hard to have a jewish parade when there's so few jews

C: In terms of economics, the gay parade is colorful, fun and appealing. Easily attracting publicity, production and commerce. This allows them to have some positives for existing.

C.a While gay parades have a charm to them. Fat parades are probably going to be less so.

D: Nothing is really stopping anyone else from making a parade, so why don't you?

I almost wanted to believe this was an actual serious debate until I read these lines:

gay people also have no laws against them. never heard of gays forbidden from entering a public facility or denied of some service.

im against any sort of parades to begin with. unless its a real opressed group. like, suffering from discrimating laws, and hatred – kind of opressed. nothing we currently have in western civilzaion.

I strongly suggest researching a topic before making these kinds of threads. If you think homosexuals are considered equal and do not experience legitimate discrimination laws, you're dead fucking wrong.

I myself don't like pride parades, but if you think pride parades should only be for "a real opressed group" than I'm afraid to tell you that le gays qualify for parades.

And those countries that Jews are apparently forbidden to enter, if you looked into them there are many other groups that are hated and actively discriminated against in the court of law, homosexuals being one of them.

small edit: I suggest you also look up into the anti-gay riots that occur in places such as eastern Europe where homemade grenades and such are used just because you like it up the pooper.

OP is pretty uneducated but I do agree with the idea that you shouldn't have the need to show off your own identity/label whatever. I mean honestly I just long for the day where everyone rolls their eyes at someone who has "gay pride" because it's so normalized that nobody gives a shit.

I mean I understand the political reason why it exists, I just hope that the need doesn't exist soon in the future.

Everyone gets pride parades, its not like certain groups of people are banned from having parades.
So i don't see what the distress is about other than being upset that certain groups gather people up more than others?

I get it, Gays are just countering the years of being told to be ashamed of who they are by having celebrations showing that they are proud of who they are. Its harmless and no more troublesome than the other parades that have no reason for existing besides traditions. I don't go to pride parades, in fact, I don't give a shit about them, but they have every right to exist and are fine by me.

so where is my jewish pride parade? asperger's parade? russian pride parade?

I'm sorry, are there suddenly laws that say Jews can't hold parades or something? No? Then nobody is stopping you from organizing your own damn parade. Don't just sit on your ass and expect someone to hand a parade to you like it's fucking candy or something. You sound like one of those assholes that says shit like "Why isn't there a white history month?"

If you don't want a parade, then just shut the fuck up and let the people who do want parades have their fun. Nobody is forcing you to get involved. And pride parades are very important to the people who participate in them. A lot of people that participate in those parades have horrific personal stories of being discriminated against by their parents, friends, employers, schools, etc. and taking part in a pride parade is their big statement that they're not going to let the world change them. It can be a brave thing to put yourself out there like that, and closeted people seeing these parades can know they aren't alone in whatever it is they're going through.

That all being said, I'm not claiming that the struggles of LGBT people are worse than what anyone else in the country could possibly experience, but that doesn't mean their issues are small potatoes either. If you wanna make your own pride parade, by all means make your own pride parade.

>harmless
>no trouble
>charming

Pride parades don't make the case for equal rights, don't stop homemade grenades from being thrown in Russia, and definitely aren't helping public opinion. Maybe if they represented an opinion other than I'M GAY AND I LIKE DICK YUM YUM YUM…

"We demand respect! We demand tolerance! We are all normal humans!!"

Can't you tell?

gay people also have no laws against them. never heard of gays forbidden from entering a public facility or denied of some service.

But you have heard of marriage bans. Why write that off? Also very recently some gays were being banned from buying at some stores for being gay. Did you not hear the news of that?

i dont see how people dressed provocativly and and acting wierdly while sometimes also blocking vehicle passage is apealing.

Attend Mardi Gras, please.

im against any sort of parades to begin with. unless its a real opressed group. like, suffering from discrimating laws, and hatred – kind of opressed. nothing we currently have in western civilzaion.

So you wants more pride parades and then you don't…well there goes the whole thread. You cannot suggest more oppressed groups deserve obligatory pride parades while completely dismissing LGBT parades as a hindrance when they're still oppressed just as much if not more than your other examples. Major contradiction of yourself buddy.

@lisa

Hey, are you implying its wrong, harmful and horrendous to be nude? That's offensive to naturalists everywhere. Check your priviledge, shitlord.

Kidding aside, I agree that some parades should tone it down. Walking around totally nude is a bit uncalled for. That said, the world needs to get used to provocative weirdness anyway. The fact that people like sucking cocks is a reality that doesn't need to be constantly shamed. And the key to removing shame from our sexual liberty is to expose it. Thanks gay parades

Gay Parades are harmless. If they cause grenades to be thrown, I doubt that was the fault of the paraders and more the fault of some the worlds continued plagues of bigotry. Which one of these is the real problem than needs fixing?

Jolly Jew, have you ever been directly affected by a pride parade? If you have, share your story, if not, then why do you care so much?

I think Lisa lombs does kind of have a point. Nudity in public is a no no, why should pride parades be an exception.

He is just trying hard to be an entitled attention whore as usual. Just ignore him and this shit will pass by as usual.

I told you what the problem is, they're not marching for equality, they're not parading through the streets for equal rights, they're being granted special snowflake status to break every public decency law on the books (it's even illegal to be full nude in New Orleans for mardi gras). What do you think would happen to any other adult at any other parade if they flashed their dick to kids that look about eight years old? What would happen to parents who decided to take their right year old into a strip club to see some TnA?

But when it's fagalicious fairies wearing angel wings grinding on each other it's a show of tolerance and support for equal rights that any parent should be proud to let their non-bigot children attend~!

If you have nothing to add to the discussion other than to ad hominem OP, please do not post.

I think the problem you're having Lisa isn't the parades themselves but how they act in the parades. I would be fine with them myself if they just hung a banner asking for their rights (as some do), but I agree, all the crazy shit is harming their reputation a lot more than need be. It's the same issue I have with slut walks.

The parades themselves have never been family friendly equality marches, those are the outliers. I have no problem with equality marches and rights rallies. I have huge problems with pride parades.

Fair enough. I think if I recall correctly early pride parades were far more like this in the past. I don't know why people thought getting more and more extreme was necessary. Like, I can't think of any good reason to wear bondage clothing in a fursuit for a parade saying that it's okay to be gay – I'm pretty sure if you saw that anywhere else, people would flip a manhole cover. I guess people are trying to just attract attention to themselves at this point.

In other news if there was an asperger's/autism parade I think that would be so dang cringeworthy. I know what the autism community is like and I know that there would be a millionth of a chance that they would hold such a parade with any sort of grace or respect. I can't fucking stand the autism community on the internet these days outside of individuals who aren't completely idiotic. People like that are the reason why I'm embarrassed to have autism myself. IMHO Autism doesn't even really need a parade, they're not really oppressed by the government (unlike homosexuals) and most of their issues have to do with Autism Speaks being a shitty organization than anything.

There are other subcultures that I'm a part of that do face quite a bit of "oppression" so to speak and it's pretty embarrassing how even they are also trying to jump on the "batshit insane activist bandwagon". It's really disappointing to see activism and feels getting in the way of actual justice and even scientific research. It really fucking hurts when you're trying to get help and you have these idiots getting in the way of that because they think that they're just special snowflakes instead of people suffering from issues. I mean, I know I'm not crazy or stupid or a horrible person, but I think my character can illustrate that far more than just me bitching about my "rights", and that my less fortunate aspects are simply just a part of who I am as opposed to something that we should act like is just totally normal and totally okay to be with.

Butterscotch said:

While gay parades have a charm to them. Fat parades are probably going to be less so.

I don't know. It seems pretty charming to me.

>there are still millions of people who seriously belive they run the world
nice try, kid

Ok you go have your jewish pride parade but I doubt anyone who want to be around a annoying little jew pest like you

Yes, thanks for your lovely words filled with compassion and love. Now, can you please avoid making redundant posts the next time? I'd really like to see some serious answer next time you post on serious debate otherwise…

Oh, and keep the insults for yourself please. We don't want more KYM drama, we have enough with the super fantastic duo: Lisa X Warriorman.

Take it as a warning ;)

Jolly Jew, I don't know if you're trying to be serious, retarded or you just enjoy making bait threads like the last one. However, I can tell you are trying really hard and unlike BSOD, I don't have the kindness nor the time to waste on you.

Seeing how the last responses are out of place, I'm tempted to lock this thread but I'm willing to give it a chance since some users are actually interested in proving their points.

So yeah, discuss or it gets locked.

I think it's safe to lock this thread now. Thanks everyone for participating. See you next time.

What's the point of locking the thread now? It's not like anyone else made off topic posts after your initial warning. If people are really done discussing this, then we can just let the thread autolock in a month. For now, let's keep it open in case someone else comes in and wants to say their piece

I'm unlocking the thread. You kids go crazy (but don't actually go crazy)

Jolly Jew:

D im against any sort of parades to begin with. unless its a real opressed group. like, suffering from discrimating laws, and hatred – kind of opressed. nothing we currently have in western civilzaion.

Does no one else find it strange that Jolly Jew is talking about 'legitimate oppression', despite having in the past ignored the human rights issues facing the Palestinian people? Non? Just me?

JJ is the biggest hypocrite on this site, so do not be so surprised.

Also, something simple and straight to the point of this topic.

My god, this is unacceptable.