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Gender and Humor

Last posted Aug 10, 2016 at 06:32AM EDT. Added Aug 07, 2016 at 12:11AM EDT
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The classic debate: Are women funny? So let's get some stuff cleared. First off, women can be funny yes that's a no duh. It's pretty sexist to say otherwise and people who claim so probably haven't met many women. Some of the funniest people I've known have been female.

But that's mainly just the territory of assholes and strawmen. What the real debate is over is why women tend to not be funny in as high a quantity as with men. In a hypothetical situation if you picked out 1000 men and 1000 women fairly you can bet a much larger proportion of men will be considered to be "funnier" by the population. Now why is that?

Christopher Hitchens said it was because men have to have humor in order to court and it's practically an evolved thing. I think that's a major oversimplification and this has too many factors in play for us to ever know for sure, but I think it's entirely possible that is one of those factors.

So to you guys, what do you think these factors are? Considering the evolutionary standpoint, how does sexual orientation fit in? How do gender identity and transsexual individuals fit in? Honestly I don't have many really concrete theories. I've heard people say it's because men go through struggle and struggle translates to humor usually, but I think that's a crock of shit for obvious reasons. The kind of people who peddle that are just mra fedora-tards. They say that's the argument for why a lot of gay people and transsexuals are funny, because they go through struggle, but it doesn't connect to the women thing at all.

Actually, one theory I have is a social one. Since comedy in a way is seen as an art and women were suppressed from participating in art for centuries they have to warm up to the concept? Humor with friends or in a stand-up/professional setting requires to be outgoing and blunt as well which are characteristics pruned from women for centuries. In my eyes this is probably a really big one.


And while my thread runs on the assumption that more men are funny, go fuckin nuts and argue otherwise I honestly don't care go ahead. I'd love to hear it. It's not like I even presented evidence for my claim anyways it's purely anecdotal backed up by other anecdotes.

Woman like funny.
Man not so hot, but funny.
Woman like man anyway.

It seems simple because it is. Reproduction drives a huge number of adaptions we see in various species. You'd have to prove there was some evolutionary benefit to gaining a sense of humor that led those humans to survive over non-funny humans, which lead to a prevalence of humor throughout our species, if you want to work on the assumption that it has nothing to do with reproduction. But seeing as how some people are super funny, some people are super smart, some people are super strong, etc, it's very easy to conclude that being funny/smart/strong are different ways to attract the opposite sex. If ya aint strong and ya aint smart, you have to try SOMETHING to pass your genes along.

Same reason there aren't as many women as men in pro sports. We evolved to observe from afar then judge and rank men. Men evolved to go all out to impress their potential mates. We're simply less inclined to show off. We also see this through the female's typically less colorful coats/feathers/etc. Men are bright to attract attention, females blend in to keep safe. Obviously as our society and technology improved beyond nature, we're no longer bound by these concepts and find more women willing to attract attention and more men who would like to avoid the spotlight.

I'm not sure it has to really do with anything other then a willingness to put ones own suffering into words, and expect 0 sympathy from the people you talk to. See, a lot of jokes are kinda mean spirited if you think about it, most if not all of the greatest hailed comedians tell stories of abuse, of emotional and physical trauma, or personal folly and extreme embarrassment, that never or rarely paints themselves are right or good. And people then laugh at these jokes, because it triggers a sort of sympathetic response, but also in conjecture to the part of the brain that processes unbelievable events, the unexpected or sudden. When a person goes up on stage and talks about how their mom beat them up as a kid, and showed them 0 sympathy, it makes us laugh kinda because we're told mothers act a certain way, and yet we know there are many who didn't, so its both sympathetic and absurd.

The entire realm of analyzing comedy is quite intriguing, you could probably make 2 master thesis on it and still not fully cover half of it.

Now onto why woman, or more specifically modern woman, seem to think that the world of comedy is made to be against them, and why there are those who think woman aren't funny. Throwing my own two cents into it, its that there isn't a barrier to entry, so much as there is an unwillingness to commit to ones art from many woman who go into this. As I stated before, being a comedian or telling jokes, is about being laughed at no matter whether what you say hurts you, or hurts someone you like, or isn't something you would normally ever talk about. It's like going to a therapist where the therapist cackles at each emotional reveal you make and then gets up on the table to scream at you that you aren't good at your job, IE the heckler. This sort of thing has been around since comedies earliest days with mankind, dating back tot he jesters of medieval europe to the disrepsected playwrights and philosphers of greece.

Now I'm not trying to say that woman are too soft, or that all woman need thicker skin. What I'm saying is that in modern times there's been a heavy drive for a lot of woman to be "taken seriously" and to "combat misogyny", which bascially says you can't make fun of woman, or woman issues, or any hardship a woman goes through, without being a horrible monster who supports rape of the newborn daughter. This is a problem because men who go into comedy are expected to bear all of their hardships to an audience who will give 0 fucks and mock their pain. Woman are being taught this behavior isn't acceptable, and its fucking their chances of actually being funny, because even those who do shake off this mentality must now preform to an audience who might fully embrace this outlook, and see their act as self-hatred of the female gender, or telling really true stories from their lives to entertain others.

You can make a joke about how much of a dumb fuck a guy can be and how many blunders they make, and how they generally don't know anything or don't understand humor. But one word about a woman not being able to drive well, and suddenly you might as well have brought a housewife on stage, and sapped her for not making you a sandwhich and grabbing you a beer.

This problem also extends to race to an extent, but even then compared to woman, a lot of comedians know how to turn pain from being a minority into comedy, and don't get a high horse about it with demanding everyone take them seriously ever. Because that's one of the major things that kills comedy, demanding respect from your audience. Because once they give you that, a lot of your attempts to tell jokes will be meet with uncertainty and a nervous look for approval to laugh, which kills the mood a lot.

Now you may think I'm full of shit for implying a lot of the modern mindset for woman are killing their chances for comedy, but I want to remind you that this is the same decade that's seeing more subjects become taboo then ever before, and a lot of the calls for it are from woman, both minority woman and non-minority woman, but a lot of them are woman, or men who really don't want ot be mocked or laughed at, which is the antithesis of comedy. Watch any of the feminists or extremely liberal comedy vids on youtube, and you will likely see a person standing on a stage dressed in all black, sometimes with an acoustic guitar, sometimes with an ukulele, sometimes not, but often making political statements on privilege and how oppressed they are in place of making jokes about themselves.

That in my opinion is what's going on. You can say its biology, and maybe you're right, but we've been fighting biology for a really long time now. Social and cultural taboos seem the biggest driving facotr, and todays taboo is that you can't make fun of subjects having to do with woman.

Are women funny?

Too broad of a question. Not all women are funny, just as not all men are. Add to it the fact that humor is incredibly subjective and it means some women will be funny to some people while sticks in the mud to others.

what do you think these factors are?

Your sense of humor is going to be based on your experiences (nurture, not nature). Culture and family likely play a major role in shaping your sense of humor as does your interactions. I think Hitchens is full of shit in thinking it's some evolutionary thing. Here in the western world, humor is regarded as essential to "courting," but down in the Amazon, I'm sure the natives place much more value on strength or pain tolerance than on the ability to make the girl laugh.

Even in our own society, what's good for courting changes. Remember that 150 years ago, being fat and pale was sexy as hell because it meant you were well off and not doing manual labor.

As someone who believes many aspects of gender are hegemonical and social constructs, my answer would simply be that "some people are funny."

A lot of what OP says actually supports this – you mentioned "characteristics pruned for centuries" which was a nice way of wording it and essentially you're right. There are arguments that it is a social skill for both men and women to have a sense of humour.

IDK I just really think we should be moving past the idea of seeing men & women as polar opposites – "men this, women that". There are many overlapping and similar traits between the sexes.

Last edited Aug 10, 2016 at 06:34AM EDT
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