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This has been something I've been thinking about for awhile.
Every so often, a really good fan art is posted in its respective gallery and it gets popular enough to trend (a lot of the times it NSFW but they didn't tag it that, possibly to get it to trend, but thats a different discussion) and it makes me think: this is our most popular type of images, but does it really document spread of the meme? Well, to a degree yes, but at some point it seems that we really don't need it, if we've uploaded hundreds of the same character drawn do we really need more?
So when is it enough? At 100, 200, 1000? (see: MLP Gallery) I think we should consider setting limits or something to this kind of thing, what do you think?

Well, a few pieces of fanart have been featured on the front page in the past. And some articles include fanart in the main body to exemplify online presence.

I feel that, as long as people properly source the fanart (or just specify the artist if from a pornographic source), the issue shouldn't be too bad. These artists worked their butts off to produce them, so I believe their efforts should be honored. That said, I suppose we could encourage non-fanart uploads in the event that some fanartists try to issue C&D takedowns on this site. Seemed unlikely though.

I'll leave it to the mods to decide what to do.

^ I agree with this. Unless the fanart isn't sourced or tagged correctly, there is nothing wrong with it.

Not only that, but fanart is a huge part of the community here. It's probably the reason many of our active users visit the site in the first place. Even if users don't tag/source correctly, we should warn them individually, not punish a large chunk of our userbase by limiting all fanart. I really don't like this idea.

I remember when Admins used to tell us that KYM servers are fine and we can upload as much as you want. This was at the hight of MLP's popularity. Seems only new mods (who take their jobs SRSLY) care about how much is uploaded into entries.

Sorry but I'm totally against setting limits on what we can post. Think of it this way: image gallery at limit for fan art and you can't upload a new pic relevant to new events? Do you ask mods to delete one because yours is more relevant? Do you upload anyways and get warned or ban? I think setting limits like this on what we upload just makes people not wanna upload.

I myself (and I'm sure others are as well) am already loosing the will to upload under the new guidelines, i.e. I'm ok with mandatory tags, I understand the reason behind it but the mandatory title is not important at all. When a new entry comes up I used to upload tons of pics to that new entry. Now I only do a few because I don't want to do all those tags and titles for every single one. I think yes KYM is still getting a steady stream of uploads but I think people have toned down how much they upload.

I don''t see the harm. TBH

but the mandatory title is not important at all.

I don't see the point of the mandatory title either. It seems really pointless, and doesn't truly mess with searches too much imo.

Eh, obviously, it would be more to the tune of the site's original intent to focus on uploading memes/fandom injokes more than just random fanart. However, it's not like this would be something practical to enforce, or even pretend to enforce. If people can't upload what they want, they generally aren't going to upload at all. While in cases related to porn/Gore, yeah having nothing is often better than havong those, but in most other instances, this is not the case.

Should also be noted that what people consider a meme has changed a bit. Sure, you still have some clear cut memes that are like advice animals, where any idiot can see how it's related to other examples just because the images look the same. However, there are also memes that are more of concepts within fandoms. Is random Hatsune Miku fanart usually important, and show a meme? No. Is fanart of Mikudayo~ show spread of meme? Yes, because Mikudayo~ is a meme. Is random fanart of Akagi needed for kancolle? Not really. Is fanart of her eating her weight in food the same case? No, because she has a fan personality of eating huge amounts of food.

I have no problem with uploading fanart as long as it's relevant to the gallery it's in and it's properly sourced. As for mandatory titles, I think that has less to do with searching from within KYM and more to do with how it makes KYM pages more relevant on search engine results, thus bringing in more traffic to the site. At least, I think this was the reason it was inplemented.

I agree as well. ALL fanart that are uploaded on here should have an actual source with a direct link to the page it came from (unless it's from a site like e261 or some other NSFW site or Tumblr blog). I don't have a problem with people uploading fanart as long it's sourced and relevant to the gallery it's uploaded to.

Speaking of sourcing, here's what I have to say (along with extras on how to source and stuff):

I believe that the sourcing of fan art should be an official rule on this site. Why? If you upload a single piece or multiple pieces of fan art that the artist(s) made without providing a source, you're basically shitting on the artist(s).

Not sourcing what you upload can lead to bad consequences such as the following:

• Raids against the site such as porn and gore spam
• The artist deactivating their account

If you are uploading fanart, please consider the following:

• Does the artist explicitly state on their profile page (or in the image description) if you need to ask for permission to repost their art on a different site?
• Does the artist flat out state that you can't repost their art on at all on their profile even if you asked for permission?

Now on to sourcing:

First of all, there is no official rule requiring to source fanart and there is no 'official' sourcing format but preferably, one should provide the name of the artist (along with a link to the source) in the Notes and include the name of the artist in the Tags. (Note: you don't need to use the artist name as a tag as it show up within normal searches but you still can add as a tag if you want)

How should you source is up to you, but I (and a few others) source images the same way as Unraveler. Here's an example:

Even though the image was uploaded by another user (not the screenshot), I added the source to the notes and the name to the tag. You can get an idea of how I source.

site – artist name (artist name links to image page)
sitename- "artist":imagepageurl

I wouldn't recommend having the source link in raw text form because that means a user wanting to browse the artist's gallery would have to highlight the URL and open it. (example.deviantart.com/art/example/420691337 for example)

When it comes to NSFW sources like Tumblr blogs with full nudity or sites like e261, it's better just to state the artist's name and the site that the image came from. (don't forget the tag for the name as well)

Now on to what is and what's not a source:

Is a source:

• The page where the image came from (examples would be http://sogno-diary.tumblr.com/post/143633593067 and http://zutheskunk.deviantart.com/art/Zootopia-592326057)
• Saying what the name of the artist is and what the site is (only use this if it's a NSFW site or Tumblr blog)

Not a source:

• Imageboard sites such as 4chan (even though 4chan has a reverse image search function and SauceNow)
• File or image hosting sites like Imgur and Puush
• Linking to the direct URL of the image itself and not the page (example)

TL;DR version:

Source what you upload, don't upload if the artist states not to and don't directly link to the source if the site or blog is NSFW and instead provide the name of the artist and site with no link.

Hope this helps.

That was the reason yes. Nearly all of us stood with "really pointless" already when it was first implemented, and that was the reply we got.

90% of the time folks still title with bullshit, but the reason remains.

Is random fanart of Akagi needed for kancolle? Not really.

Yeah but that's because Kancolle a shit.

First, in regards to Arcanine's post, we really need to decide how we're going to handle artist names in tags. I've seen some users use artist_name as the tag, and others use artist:artist_name. The issue here is that if I was looking for all works by an artist and entered his/her name into the KYM search, I'd get results for the first tag but not the second. Likewise, if I used the artist:artist_name tag to search directly, I wouldn't find works tagged with the first option.

I'm personally leaning towards the first option, but I believe not tagging the artist at all is just as effective. If I entered an artists name into the KYM search, any image with the name in the tags or the name in the notes as part of a source shows up. While there's no harm in including the name of the artist in the tags, I find it sorta redundant because tag searching is inherently inferior to just using the name.

Now for the fanart thing: I understand that fanart is by far the most prominent example of this issue, but we actually run into it more often than we think. The question of how much of X do we upload before it stops being effective documentation? is often brought up in regards to galleries that involve anime or TV shows. Uploading a set of randomly captured gifs from some anime is probably less effective than uploading fanart, for example. Not only does it fail to illustrate spread, or online reaction, but it also does nothing to demonstrate the online spread of a subject which is exactly what fanart does.

Yes, some entries will invariably turn into walls of fanart with no real documentation or meta-examples, but at least it shows the scope and nature of a subculture or fanbase. At the end of the day KYM has nothing to lose as long as we manage the fanart properly. If we wanted to crack down on fanart, we'd have to do the same for many other types of uploads. But really, why place a limit on something that's free?

(Also muh ad revenue)

TL;DR we have no real reason for removing fanart and can we please standardize artist tagging

…what do you think?

I'm opposed. The servers aren't that bad that content uploading needs to be limited (and if it were that bad, I'm pretty sure they'd limit videos before images) and fan artists sending a C&D would be laughed at--they're not the copyright owner so they have no standing to threaten or sue whatsoever. There's really no reason to limit fanart--especially since it helps document fandom/media entries when new content (episodes, movies, etc.) is released which, in turn, can lead to documenting new submemes of that content.

Arcanine said:

I believe that the sourcing of fan art should be an official rule on this site.

I will reverse image search it if a direct source isn't with it where I found it, but that's as far as I'll go. I'm not going to waste 20 minutes of my day scouring the internet for something just so I can upload it to a meme site. Uploading convenience should still play a role in rule making. Otherwise, there's going to be a steep drop in what's uploaded.

xTSGx wrote:

fan artists sending a C&D would be laughed at

Or, we could, you know, treat it like an actual issue like we do in this thread

xTSGx wrote:

I’m not going to waste 20 minutes of my day scouring the internet for something just so I can upload it to a meme site.

Perceptions of this vary depending on who you ask. Random 4Chan draw thread work is going to be next to impossible to trace. Still, if all it is is fanart, is it really needed on the site without a source? Memes I get because they are very exact, and the tractability of them is inherently difficult. But random fanart that is sourced is only going to show a difference compared to fanart that is not sourced because the not sourced fanart actually fails the documentation part. I would also suggest adding IQDB and Sauce Nao to your methods.

I'll also leave this here