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Dungeons and Dragons - Turns out you can no longer get away with the whole "this entire race is evil from birth" type of writing. Not even on 4chan

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File: 1553636626366,jpg (94 KB, 540x364) 66862588 >6686261366862656 >>6686266166862690>6686277866862825>6686313366863337>>66863487 >66863765>>66863815>66864084668641516686426366864386 >>66864389 >66864483 >>66864971>66865321 Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)14:55:49 No.66862576 He gave them. the heebie-jeebies. >>66867755668681426686821766869023>668698356687004366870554 66871394668716376687420366875583 >66875622668761896687631966877323>>6687765266877701668778506687789166878023>6687810166878107>66878467 >State that a race is irredeemably evil and going to be the main antagonist race for a campaign >Have NPCS state they're evil, have PCs see the results of what they do to people, have PCs see what happens when they're allowed to win >Have PCs faction tell them they're literally at war with this group of monsters and send the army off to fight them and try to drive them back >Players instantly decide that their side is in the wrong for reacting and that clearly the fact they've been fighting off these assholes for god knows how long totally justifies everything the other side has done, while ignoring the warcrimes and the fact that the villain race instigated the whole damned thing >Decide that they're going to betray their own Kingdom and try to switch sides/help the antagonist race or some other equally retarded s--- that they should full well know will end up with their characters being worn as hats based on previous actions of the antagonists in question Why does this always happen? Seriously, the second you show their side actually responding rather than just sitting there waiting for the heroes to come and save them, every player just spontaneously decides that clearly the orcs/elementals/dark elves/Insectoids/Demons/Irish/Elder gods are just sweethearts who are clearly doing it because mean ol' humans are d----. He had nothing else to give. Is this just my groups? Usually it's just one or two players who then talk around the others. I've had it happen twice in two different groups with entirely different players being the trouble starter and a third time last night and now I'm going to have to scramble for a reason for the PCs to not end up being flayed alive and their skins being used as banner flags or end the campaign when it happens because they'll bitch that for some reason the evil race of evil bastards that's acted evil the entire way through, turned out to be f------ evil. Does anyone else have this problem? 66869839 »66877630 Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)14:57:05 No.66862588 >>66862576 (OP) es anyone else have this problem? No, I play games 66862768 >2668642606687432866875685 Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)14:59:15 No.66862613 >>66862576 (OP) Maybe your players are getting sick of sitting through your blatant propagandist wank. Tell me, anon, do your orcs have large snouts? Perhaps they grunt unintelligible phrases like "mupmap oogabooga muhfuggen bix nood"? > Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)1 5:02 File: dae jpg (138 KB, 980x1040) No.66862656 66862886 >66862576 (OP) >Why does this always happen? Jesus Christ how many times have you tried and failed at such basic storytelling? Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)15:08:34 No.6686271 4 6686272866863027 >>66862690 Most people find the idea of a race of pure evil entities who understand they are evil and do evil for no real reason to be lazy writting Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)1 5:46:55 No.66863114 Count your blessings. Your players actually know how to play someone with empathy, even if they've gone overboard. It could be worse, you could have a bunch of murderhoboes who torture and kill NPCS regardless of race. »»66864571 »6687555766876321 Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)17:37:26 No.66864465 File: Say-No-to-Mediocre-Content.jpg (70 KB, 414x414) >Irredeemably evil races existing at all Anonymous 06/20/19(Thu)1 7:48:03 No.66864571 >66864465 Based and Christpilled Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)06:33:38 No.66875557 66876321 >>66864465 ed Uncorruptible good and irredeemably evil is s--- that should be so outside the realm of what ordinary players deal with that it should never come up in regular play outside of spell fluff. Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)07:26:46 No.66876321 6687792266877990 >>66878009 *>6687804466878117 >>66875583 >>66875557 >>66864465 You "there's no evil, only noble savages!" f--- are a f------ cancer. Sometimes an evil race is just a f------ evil race. At this point it's better and more interesting than this "well they may skin people. But you're just judging them from your biased standpoint." b-------. Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)10:11:07 No.66877990 66878009 >>66876321 You're right. That's why whites are an objectively evil race, since they have committed endless atrocities the past. Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)10:14:20 No.66878009 File: 0a7png (652 KB, 428x960) 66878033>>66878038 66876321 >>66877990 You are both dumb Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)10:17:57 No.66878038 >66878009 Based and rational-pilled Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)10:01:36 No.66877922 66877957 >>66876321 No such thing as an evil race. Only evil individuals. Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)10:18:42 No.66878044 66878104>>66878106 >>66878163 >66877877 Sometime an empire of demon worshiping gnolls is just and empire of demon worshiping gnolls. Get the f--- off this board you "muh noble savages" plebbit refugee. 66876321 >You "there's no evil, only noble savages!" f--- are a f------ cancer. Sometimes an evil race There is a choice other than: "Evil race is Evil race because Evil!" lazy s--- writing just a f------ evil race. or >"Baby-eating demon worshiping is a valid life choice of the noble indigenous people" s--- thinking. If the race has Evil cultures and practices, it is largely Evil. That doesn't mean that their *RACE* is Irredeemably Evil. An empire of demon worshiping gnolls might give birth to innocent pups that need to be trained to be evil. There "might* be a heretic or two who doesn't like eating babies. (Doesn't change the fact that if you see a walking gnoll, you're going to kill it before chatting.) Saying "Nope! They're ALL PERFECTLY Evil because it says so on page 23!" is s---. Races that you can kill on sight is just being sensible. and s--- writing. Unless you are this anon >>66877323 He seems legit. Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)08:48:29 No.66877323 66877965>66878044>>66878107 File: doom-mobile-hero.jpg (183 KB, 960x960) 66862576 (OP) This is exactly why I always resort to demons from Hell for most of my fantasy antagonists. Yes, it's evil without question. very tired trope by now, but it's literally the one and only f------ thing that ever resonates with anyone as being irredeemably If it's a sci-fi cam paign, then it's often a robot race run by an insane Al. Anonymous 06/21/19(Fri)10:23:41 No.66878106 66878145 File: thumbs-up.gif (2 MB, 450x246) >>66878044 >If the race has Evil cultures and practices, it is largely Evil. That doesn't mean that their *RACE* is Irredeemably Evil. Finally someone who gets it Anonymous D6/21/19(Fri)11:24:27 No.66878577 File: portrait-93751 12801-e144().ipg (95 KB, 759x567) >66878588 Hating a race because some their members control wealth or communication is like hating Native Americans and feeling like they haven't suffered enough because casinos rake in all that cash. The high up elite are *not* sharing with the rest of the race. I promise you. It's about the haves and the have-nots. It always has been and always will be. So don't hate the dwarven blacksmith because he's a dwarf Dwarves aren't iredeemably evil. Hate the rich, because they're irredeemably d----. But wait- We want to *be* rich. Better pretend orcs are born evil then.

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Firock

Jun 21, 2019 at 11:36PM EDT

Evil for evil's sake is shit tier writing, but only when it's like an actual Empire instead of a horde of ravenous demons from the Negative plane or something. A country based on slavery and raping babies would be unable to sustain itself, especially since no one would trade with them.

If you want to do evil Empires, try and make something like the Fire Nation. Heavily imperialistic, but believably so. Where the guys on top are evil, but the piss poor peasants don't know any better and are being fed propaganda.